Party is OVER!

[Dallas-321]

Thanks to assholes who are not responsible with their use ....

(I could name a few right now)

DEA ANNOUNCES ARRESTS OF WEBSITE
OPERATORS SELLING ILLEGAL DESIGNER DRUGS

WASHINGTON, DC – DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy today announced the culmination of “Operation Web Tryp” that resulted in ten arrests and targeted five websites. Operation Web Tryp investigated Internet websites distributing highly dangerous designer drug analogues under the guise of “research chemicals” primarily shipped to the U.S. from China and India. These websites are known to have thousands of customers worldwide. One website operator is known to conduct estimated sales of $20,000 per week, while another is known to have been in business for more than five years. These websites sold substances that led to the fatal overdose of at least two individuals and 14 non-fatal overdoses.

“The Internet has become the street corner for many drug users and traffickers. Drug pushers who use the Internet will find themselves out of business and behind bars,” Administrator Tandy said. ‘These dealers now enter into the privacy of our own homes to entice and sell destruction to our children veiled under the illusion of being safe and legal. The formulation of analogues is like a drug dealer’s magic trick meant to fool law enforcement. They didn’t fool us and we must educate our children so they are not fooled either. Today’s action will help prevent future deaths and overdoses, and will serve as notice for those dealing in designer drugs and the illegal use of the Internet.”

ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS

This operation resulted in the following website operators arrests on July 21, 2004:



WWW.RACRESEARCH.COM and WWW.DUNCANLABPRODUCTS.COM
April Curtis and Doug Thompson, website operators of WWW.RACRESEARCH.COM, were arrested yesterday, July 21, in Arizona and Georgia, respectively. The arrests are based on charges of conspiracy to distribute controlled substance analogues out of the Southern District of New York. WWW.RACRESEARCH.COM has so far been linked to non-fatal overdoses of two college students. This investigation by DEA New York and the New York Police Department also uncovered the illegal distribution of designer drugs on WWW.DUNCANLABPRODUCTS.COM . This site was operated by Raymond Duncan and supplied by April Curtis. Duncan was arrested yesterday, July 21, in California based on charges of conspiracy to distribute controlled substance analogues. Both websites were voluntarily terminated.


WWW.PONDMAN.NU
David Linder, website operator of WWW.PONDMAN.NU was arrested yesterday. This investigation was conducted by DEA and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service in Norfolk, VA. The above site, which purportedly sold landscape supplies, also sold designer drugs. Linder supplied these drugs to U.S.-based Navy personnel who later held rave-style parties to facilitate further distribution. To date, an overdose death of an 18-year-old male and three non-fatal overdoses causing serious bodily injuries have been linked to WWW.PONDMAN.NU. Linder is charged with conspiracy to distribute controlled substance analogues out of the Eastern District of Virginia. This website will be voluntarily terminated.


WWW.AMERICANCHEMICALSUPPLY.COM
DEA Baton Rouge, LA initiated this investigation that resulted in yesterday’s arrest of Michael Burton, operator of WWW.AMERICANCHEMICALSUPPLY.COM. Charges against Burton and an unidentified coconspirator include illegal distribution with enhanced penalties for causing death, aiding and abetting, and forfeiture out of the Middle District of Louisiana. A restraining order will be issued to prevent use of this website.


WWW.OMEGAFINECHEMICALS.COM
DEA San Diego yesterday arrested Thomas Kasper, Joseph Kasper, Beth Badrak, and Elaine Villalobos, all California residents, on conspiracy charges to distribute controlled substance analogues, distribution of controlled substance analogues to individuals under the age of 21, and money laundering out of the Southern District of California. These four operated WWW.OMEGAFINECHEMICALS.COM. In addition to the arrests, DEA used warrants to search the Omega Business address, and the residence of Beth Badrak and Tom Kasper in Santa Barbara, CA. A seizure warrant will be served on the Omega website. Two bank accounts were also seized.
BACKGROUND ON DESIGNER DRUGS FROM OPERATION WEB TRYP

The products sold by the above mentioned websites are synthetic substances chemically identified as tryptamines, piperazines, and phenylethylamines. Some of these substances are specifically restricted under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) while others, when intended for human consumption, are controlled under the Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act (CSAEA). Prior to the CSAEA, chemists would cause slight changes in the molecular structure of a controlled substance to circumvent the CSA. The CSAEA was enacted to arm law enforcement with the tools needed to stay one step ahead of the drug dealers’ innovations. On the street and in Internet chat rooms these substances go by innocuous names such as “Foxy Methoxy” and “DIPT.” Many young people are led to believe that these substances are a form of “legal” Ecstasy or LSD because they produce similar hallucinogenic effects. Adolescents and young adults are primary abusers of these chemicals. Many have the false impression that they are not as harmful or addictive as mainstream drugs such as heroin or cocaine. This is a highly dangerous emerging drug trend. Because the recommended dosages can vary by as little as a milligram, any slight miscalculation can cause fatal results.

OVERDOSE VICTIMS

In April 2002, an 18-year-old male in Hancock, New York died after consuming a chemical obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU. A 19-year-old male friend of the decedent later confirmed using similar chemicals obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU that resulted in him suffering from seizures, floating spots in his vision, memory lapses, uncontrollable teeth grinding and large lumps that would appear and disappear periodically on his face and neck.

In December 2003, police responded to a call of a college student found unconscious, unresponsive and turning blue on the kitchen floor of a residence in Fairhaven, Massachusetts. He had been lying on the floor for 45 minutes before a call for help was made. This student was suffering from the ingestion of a substance he obtained from WWW.RACRESEARCH.COM. This overdose victim now suffers from chronic, violent seizures.

In March 2004, a 22-year-old male resident of St. Francisville, Louisiana died after ingesting a substance he believed to be similar to Ecstasy. When found by his mother he asked to be driven to the hospital where he died three days later. His body temperature had reached an astounding 108 degrees. It was later found that the substance used was sent from WWW.AMERICANCHEMICALSUPPLY.COM, one of the targeted websites in this investigation.

These website operators attempted to give an appearance of legitimacy to their websites by presumably selling these chemicals to bona fide researchers; however, a review of customer lists revealed purchasers with e-mail addresses such as acidtripo420@; ecstasylight@; madtriper17@; moontripperdipt@; partys_with_glow_sticks@; professor@; psychedelic_stoner@; and ravergirlny@.

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr072204.html

[EddieV1984]

This is fuckin rediculous. This comes four days before i was goin to order from one of those sites. My parents are goin out of town and i have the perfect time to experiment. I hate America. 100,000 people die each year from tobbaco and they keep it legal to sell, posses, ingest.......

[backtothelab]

Yeah, that's bullshit man.

[Lodui]

Well I don't think anyone is freaking surprised, that's the DEA for you, always looking out for the least likely poisons. At least any prosecution they try will be very difficult, considering all those sites had agreements that this was not intended for human ingestion. Tussin anyone? :rolleyes:

[Lodui]

Still, its kinda encouraging that now people have to buy drugs the old fashioned way, and take the sweet time to walk all the way down to the street corner.

[eat_some_LSD]

Not surprising, really. There's still a few sites out there, though, which I plan on doing business with in the near future. I wish they'd have listed what chems the OD victims had actually used, though; would've been pretty helpful.

In April 2002, an 18-year-old male in Hancock, New York died after consuming a chemical obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU (http://www.pondman.nu/). A 19-year-old male friend of the decedent later confirmed using similar chemicals obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU (http://www.pondman.nu/) that resulted in him suffering from seizures, floating spots in his vision, memory lapses, uncontrollable teeth grinding and large lumps that would appear and disappear periodically on his face and neck.
I've experienced quite a few of these side-effects, though I'm not sure if it's due to my experimentation with substances such as 2-CT-7, or if these were unrelated reactions. :(

Hopefully there are some great minds blowing hours away in their basements synthing up new substances for our enjoyment. ;)

[EllisDTripp]

Meanwhile, people here are STILL bitching about the "no sources" policy on this site! :rolleyes: Hate to say "I told ya so....." :(


WWW.OMEGAFINECHEMICALS.COM
DEA San Diego yesterday arrested Thomas Kasper, Joseph Kasper, Beth Badrak, and Elaine Villalobos, all California residents, on conspiracy charges to distribute controlled substance analogues, distribution of controlled substance analogues to individuals under the age of 21, and money laundering out of the Southern District of California. These four operated WWW.OMEGAFINECHEMICALS.COM. In addition to the arrests, DEA used warrants to search the Omega Business address, and the residence of Beth Badrak and Tom Kasper in Santa Barbara, CA. A seizure warrant will be served on the Omega website. Two bank accounts were also seized.

Looks like Tom Kasper will be going down for some serious time after this one. He was previously busted a few years ago for running a similar chemical company, called CRSB, Chemical Resale of Santa Barbara. He was selling precursor chemicals as well as do-it-yourself kits for manfacturing GHB. He also was involved in some federal charges resulting from an assault on a flight attendant on a domestic flight. A 3-time LOSER, in a state with a 3-strikes law....bye-bye Tom, and don't drop the soap! :)

And thanks again to all the irresponsible assholes out there who helped set the stage for "Operation Web Tryp". This one very well might be the last straw that finally "mass schedules" everything in PIHKAL and TIHKAL. Meanwhile, everyone who ordered from any of these companies (and any of the others that are certainly under surveillance now) can rest assured that the DEA has the customer records, and knows EXACTLY what you purchased.

BTW, don't believe for a second that these are the only 5 sites busted. I found another report here:

http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=3023

, and I have no doubt that there are several more. If past busts are any indication, several of these sites will remain online, and will be operated by the DEA as a sting operation.

Anyone ordering research chemicals now needs to use their fucking heads even more than before, as these compounds are obviously right in the DEA's crosshairs now. And ordering more than "personal research use" quantities would be REALLY ill-advised from now on. I am SURE that the narcoswine will be coming after anybody who bought wholesale quantities of anything from one of the busted sites. If you are sitting on multiple grams of any of these compounds, time to find a GOOD offsite stash location, and FAST.

[AreYouExperienced]

This is a fucking shame. Thanks to these Darwin Award nominees, now even more wonderful drugs with notable therapeutic value and possibly some medicinal value will be rushed through the emergency schedule procedure. How many more chemicals will be scheduled by the DEA before Americans finally wise up and realize what a waste of tax money this is??

[twoseeeyes]

Election year crackdown. Blame the people who ODed and died off this.

[Bloody_Kisses]

baaah humbug

[eat_some_LSD]

Ah, thanks for that article, Ellis; I'd noticed LTK Research had been closed down a few weeks back...I e-mailed them (as I was considering purchasing a small amount of 5-Meo-AMT) to ask if they would ever be re-opening; apparently not.

[xaosflux]

Still, its kinda encouraging that now people have to buy drugs the old fashioned way, and take the sweet time to walk all the way down to the street corner.
Buying drugs on the street is not better for ANYONE (Accept drug pushers I guess)...street drugs are notoriouly impure, not to mention that no street dealer is goign to have exotic RC's.

[Lodui]

Buying drugs on the street is not better for ANYONE (Accept drug pushers I guess)...street drugs are notoriouly impure, not to mention that no street dealer is goign to have exotic RC's.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I meant to put the roll eyes thing in my post... lol, I'm a boxer/kickboxer and I still get scared as hell anytime I buy. I've never done any RC's... but they sounded really fun, I'm jealous. Street Drugs are really, really impure, and I can think of a lot better ways for the government to waste its time and my money. Still, you can get illegal drugs every freaking where, but I guess my only hope at exotics is to get a bachelors in OC.

[EllisDTripp]

street drugs are notoriouly impure, not to mention that no street dealer is goign to have exotic RC's.

Unfortunately, many street dealers ARE selling RCs. Even worse, they are selling them as "ecstacy", "mescaline", or "acid", to people who don't have a clue....:rolleyes:

[Cosmic Butterfly]

It is time to move from America....At least in Canada and Australia we can grow peyote.

[Neobob187]

You can grow peyote in america too. You all looking to move out of America for the wrong reasons. How about in Canada you get free Health Insurance. There's a mindfuck. The government looking out for it's own people? Never fucking heard of that.

The whole DEA thing is a complete hypocrisy they in many ways help create these drugs and then ask for more money so they can crack down on it.

It's an endless cycle dating to the 1950's when the CIA first put it's All Seing Eye on the Golden Triangle in southeast asia. All through the Vietnam War the CIA had special operations all through Laos and Thailand and Cambodia to gain control of the poppy fields and ship massive amounts of heroin into the U.S. and then when all the deaths and overdoses started up in the late 60's early 70's they started the War on Drugs. Which is no different then the War on Poverty and the War on Terror. They create the problems then they declare fake war's on them.

[EllisDTripp]

You can grow peyote in america too.

Of course you can. Most of the rest of the continent has much saner drug laws than we have here in the USA. AFAIK, Canada, Mexico, and Central/South America have no prohibition on growing peyote.

Here in the "land of the not-so free", however, unless you are a member of the Native American Church, or a DEA-licensed grower/broker providing it to the N.A.C., you are considered a criminal.

All parts of the plant, *including seeds* are listed in Schedule I.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/peyote_law.shtml

Peyote (lophophora williamsii) is Schedule I in the United States. This means it is illegal to buy, sell, or possess without a DEA license.

The CSA states:

(22) Peyote Meaning all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Lophophora williamsii Lemaire, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture, salts, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or extracts (Interprets 21 USC 812(c), Schedule I(c) (12))

Federal Native American Church Exemption
TITLE 21-Food And Drugs
Administration, Department of Justice
PART 1307--MISCELLANEOUS--Table of Contents

Sec. 1307.31 Native American Church.

The listing of peyote as a controlled substance in Schedule I does not apply to the nondrug use of peyote in bona fide religious ceremonies of the Native American Church, and members of the Native American Church so using peyote are exempt from registration. Any person who manufactures peyote for or distributes peyote to the Native American Church, however, is required to obtain registration annually and to comply with all other requirements of law.

[Psilodelix]

Fucking kids! As soon as they fuck up and freak out because these strong psychs tear holes in the larval minds... they run to mommy, daddy, and mr. silly DEA to help them sort out their pathetic existance...

*vomits*

If you can't handle a trip on 50 grams of fresh mushrooms... don't even think about fucking with chemicals that are, so obviously, far out of your legue.

People whom push the drugs, also know how to control (psychologicaly), the users larval mind. Post-larval 'sorrcers' really have little use for street dealers or their shitty dope.

Don't try to be, "the big dick", at a party by, "showing everyone how to do drugs". A baseline fool, mixed with drugs, makes for a high fool. Get the idea?

-PsDX :p

[psilonaut]

Dangit, i got all my tryptamines from americanchemicalsupply based out of las vegas, great chemicals and great service.... Damn shame.

[Neobob187]

"RIGHT NOW I WANT YOU TO GO TO YOUR WINDOWS, GO TO YOUR WINDOWS AND OPEN THEM UP AND SAY, I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GUNNA TAKE IT ANYMORE. BECAUSE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO GET MAD. I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO WRITE TO YOUR CONGRESSMEN BECAUSE I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU TO TELL THEM. I'M JUST TELLING YOU TO GET MAD, SAY I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GUNNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.!!!!"

-Network

[DarkLunacy]

God fucking damnit son of a bitch whada fucking surprise. I hope they at least nail the fucker who told me "They wont make them illegal so I will continue to advertise as MDMA, LSD, etc alternatives." Whats the fuckin world coming to when a TEENAGER understands the analog act better then the distributer? And murder and rape is still skyhigh right? Just making sure were cracking down on the right crimes here.
EDIT: Shit I just remembered my friend who ordered from them... I gotta make some phone calls now

[crackforkids]

O my mother fucking god. i just got two bunk orders from those sites and then now there closed. i need too restock on everything, but im scared the ones that are still open (if there are any, i saw a few not mentioned) are not on like a watch shit or whatever, an they jus arrest you ass soon as it gets there.
neobob-IM FUCKING MAD TOO! THIS ISN'T RIGHT
but on the other hand i saw it comming, i been predicting this since february this year. now, BAM!!

what about scheduling? these chemicals are all going to be emergency scheduled aren't they? just liuke MDMA and AMT and 5-MEO-DiPT.

shulgin has talked of a new book of a new class of chemicals. i dont know. but, can they stop him from developing these new chemicals? new ones will be made right?

and to everyone in high school or in a chemistry major in college, you know what you must do. rhodium can take some of these underground on the streets.

[Neobob187]

Yea we need smart scientists, who beleive in psychedelic use for spirituality and a good time. They're a dying breed, government is stamping them out.

[EllisDTripp]

what about scheduling? these chemicals are all going to be emergency scheduled aren't they? just liuke MDMA and AMT and 5-MEO-DiPT.

The busts will not automatically schedule anything. But in a few months, the DEA will publish a notice in the federal Register, announcing it's intent to schedule substances x, y, and z, and allowing a period (90 days?) for public comment. Unless our side can provide valid (to the DEA) reasons against it, the substances will become illegal an additional 90 days? from that date.

This should really OUTRAGE anyone who calls themselves a "conservative", as it represents a complete destruction of the separation of powers doctrine. The same gang of UNELECTED zealots is both writing the law AND enforcing it. Kinda works like Cheney's "energy task force", ya know? :(

Expect the remaining sellers to rapidly hike prices to milk the maximum profit from the remaining product before it becomes illegal. :(

and to everyone in high school or in a chemistry major in college, you know what you must do. rhodium can take some of these underground on the streets.

Chemistry skills are great to have. A hands on knowledge of chemistry (and a basic set of glassware) comes in handy for all kinds of hobbies. Photography, soapmaking, homebrewing, making essential oils/herbal extracts, etc. Not to mention OTHER possible projects....;)

[Neobob187]

Yea or if you're a genius. make some good 'ol lsd25

[Lodui]

Today I noticed that ACS was back open for business, anyone else smell a sting op?

[AreYouExperienced]

Hmm, you're right, it is back open. This has got a sting written all over it. Shady...

[twoseeeyes]

Sting or no sting, they sure did jack up their prices.

[eCubensis]

now, if it is a sting or whatever, what would happen if one placed an order? i meen, legally, you can own and buy the substances... so, if somebody ordered something, would they just tell you no or something?

[EllisDTripp]

They will likely file your name, and depending on how much you buy, possibly pay you a visit in a few months, once the compounds you order are scheduled...

[Lodui]

I just remembered the way I found hipforums was I was googling for 5-MEO-MIPT and this came up.

They opened your root midnightmoonlight? was it sassafras root or something?

[InFlames420]

do you think it's safe to order from american chemical supply? they are targeting the suppliers, not buyers, right???

[Lodui]

do you think it's safe to order from american chemical supply? they are targeting the suppliers, not buyers, right???
Since they were taken down in this last bust and up like a week later... I would say hell no, I haven't heard of any buyers going down, but just wait, the DEA will get bored someday and prosecute every RC buyer they can.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

Wait, I was under the impression that acs, though the site is up, was not in business. Can anyone confirm that they're shipping legitimate orders as of right now? Because in all honesty, I would risk "getting my name put on a list" to get some of what they're selling for what they're selling it for.

[DarkLunacy]

I'm in the same boat with Robo... This is insane. After this shit went down people were just sayin "Goodbye" and closing down left and right. I cant even find those sketchy sites anymore. They've all vanished! And I dont wanna stoop to ordering off of the site that sell legal psyilocibin -shudder-. YOU ALL KNOW WHAT SITE I MEAN! God but I'm out of options....

By the by. Since these chemicals arent schedualed yet and you order something and then its put on the list and they DO pay you a visit and your product is gone.... What then?

[noild]

I can still find shady sites that are up, problem is deciding whether it's worth risking losing my money. And I have a friend who says he did recieve an order from acs, and this was only a couple weeks ago. I personally think he got the site name wrong, cuz he sounded unsure...but if you wanna risk it. I thought listing site names was a no no? I am new and all, but still. What I want to find is 5-meo-AMT, and any site that seems like it has a small chance of being legit doesn't carry it.

[EllisDTripp]

It's quite possible that ACS is still shipping orders. But the fact that they have been busted in a high-profile DEA undercover operation, and their site is still up and running (unlike the rest of the "web tryp" victims) should raise a HUGE FUCKING RED FLAG to anybody contemplating placing an order with them. Seriously, have people never heard terms like "sting operation", "honeypot", "entrapment", or "fishing expedition"? Just maybe the site's owners have struck a deal of some kind with the DEA, in exchange for leniency or immunity from prosecution? This kind of shit goes on all the time!

The substances in question aren't technically illegal, YET. But if past cases are any indicator, they will be MADE ILLEGAL really soon. Do you REALLY want to willing give your name, credit card info, and address to whatever government spooks are currently running the site? Once they have you on record as purchasing one of these chemicals, what prevents them from paying you a visit once the chemicals are scheduled?

Even if your purchase has already been used for "research" by that time, do you really want to be on the DEA's "potential druggie list" for the rest of your life?

And yes, the posting of source names/addresses is normally prohibited here. An exception is being made for sites that are confirmed as busted, in order to get the information out to potential customers. Anybody who is stupid enough to do business with one of these sites probably deserves whatever happens to them....:(

[gnrm23]

ya, now i gots "the fear"

well, back to ummmm "natural products" i suppose, eh?
~
(& how long until these fukn authoritarians start to go after our friendly herb vendors?????)

[mr_belvedere]

I was down right pissed when i heard about the RC bust, i've only done 2c-b once but boy it was really fun, 25mg, and i take this as basically i will never do another RC ever again in my life.

[EllisDTripp]

(& how long until these fukn authoritarians start to go after our friendly herb vendors?????)

The DEA is already "reviewing" Salvia Divinorum, presumably with an eye to adding to the list of "illegal plant species". :(

http://rense.com/general38/salv.htm

[TwistedFaith]

Www.rhodium.ws (http://www.rhodium.ws)

[DarkLunacy]

Right ok good and well... but where are you supposed to get all those chemicals to make them Twisted Faith? Anyway I'm still wondering if you do order them pre-schedualing, can they still bust you post schedual if you no longer have it?

[EllisDTripp]

Anyway I'm still wondering if you do order them pre-schedualing, can they still bust you post schedual if you no longer have it?

They can bust you for anything they damned well please. Whether or not the bust holds up in court is another matter. But you will need to pay for a lawyer to defend you against the bullshit charges, and you don't get that money back even if you win.

Even if charges are dropped, you would likely be on some kind of "special surveillance list" for the rest of your life, too...

[crackforkids]

im still getting suppliers sent to me n shit, but none of them are legit. cant you peaple tell? i mean, com'on.........i know 1 straight connect but im saying goodbye to synthetic cyberworlds and looking into ethnobotanicals

[Orange Sunshine Vet]

\

[euroherbs]

News from Japan
url translated
http://www.metro.tokyo.jp/INET/CHOUSA/2005/06/60f67100.htm

From June 1st result of evasion of the law drug simultaneous supervision to 3 days

2005 June 6th
Welfare hygienic bureau

It did entry investigation in the evasion of the law drug store inside capital attendant upon regulation of the evasion of the law drug being started on the basis of "the regulations regarding the prevention of abuse of the Tokyo medicine" from June 1st, from June 1st extending through the 3rd, in order supervision of the commodity where content of the governor designated medicine is doubted and to assure the complete understanding of regulations and the designated medicine, it watched simultaneously.

<< Result of simultaneous supervision >>

0 investigation object 121 stores () the inside discontinuance such as Shibuya & Shinjuku & Ikebukuro moving: 32 stores, closing: 9 stores
0 entry investigation 80 stores
The acknowledgment 69 store of 0 regulations you had known concerning regulations and the governor designated medicine.
There was no handling store of the governor designated medicine of 0 governor designated medicine 3 types. However, although a some medicine it is doubted at 55 stores, there was handling.
0 supervisory numerical preparing 130 names

<< Correspondence of future capital >>

As you investigate for the second time 0 concerning the store where it has not done business, in the future you watch periodically vis-a-vis each store.
0 in the future component analysis of the medicine is done in test buying investigation and the component which when becomes problem is detected, it keeps corresponding as a designated medicine.



Ahead inquiring
Welfare hygienic bureau healthy range safety room medicine thing supervisory section
Telephone 03 - 5320 - 4512



(Data)

The main product which is the possibility the governor designated medicine containing

05 - MeO - The product which has the possibility MIPT containing


X Crystal
DREAM SMILE
5 - Meo - MIPT
URGE CRYSTAL
Gun Angel
SHOT ROCK
MIPTY CUBE
MAGIC FLOWER
Methylone Inpact
E. X
Sex - Bomb
GANG - SHOT
0 2C - the product which has the possibility I containing


Ecstasy
2C - I
Vivid
Black Label
3rd eye
BLUE MYSTIC POWDER
Space joy
K - 9
JETS
The product which has the possibility 0 MBDB containing


MBDB
BLISS
EDEN
METHYL - J
BDB

[Trippin' Billies]

jeeeeesus... y does the DEA ban and illegalize every-fucking-thing

[EllisDTripp]

jeeeeesus... y does the DEA ban and illegalize every-fucking-thing

Because the bigger the "drug problem" becomes, the bigger their budget gets. :(

By banning new substances every year, they continue to justify their own existence.....

[Death]

that is dumb

[eat_some_LSD]

Fortunately, like Customs' problem with the hacking world...the larger our problem becomes, the less they can control it!

Ban <suchandsuch>...I'll import it's derivatives and then some, only to encompass a more commerically-producing, more philisophicallly-demanding compound...ban it? I'll simply order something ten-fold as worthy.

Like I said, the "designer-drug" problem is only a massive attack that the DEA can never encompass...we will simply over-amass them and eventually overcome them with superiority that could only hold a candle to Hitler's reich over the Nazi masses...not to compare the DEA's hold on potentially-benefitting compounds, or anything...:rolleyes:

[angerton]

Speaking of mods?

[tweek_a_deek_freak]

it's all about money with the government they want us to spend all our money on there legal drugs stupid alcohol and tobacco. Now dont get me wrong i love a good drink and maybe even getting drunk and i love smoking when i'm amped, but of all the things they could have kept legal why did they leave to 2 dumbest ones. I think it's all fucked, i dont even let it get to me anymore, america's legal system is fucked and thats all there is to it. You can legally go buy a gallon of tequila and drink yourself into alcohol poisoning and thats perfectly legal, and you can do this with kids there. But light up a joint in your house in the other room hiding from kids and they'll put you in jail for endangering children. It's rediculous.

[Advent]

They will likely file your name, and depending on how much you buy, possibly pay you a visit in a few months, once the compounds you order are scheduled... Say I only want 100mg of 2ce for personal use? Would any of you consider this risky if I was to order from them?

My previous connection is a friend out of state for 2 months, he got it from "his connection" who got it from china. Just wish I knew about this stuff sooner...

EDIT:
nevermind, i read a few posts back, as heavenly and spiritually enlightening as it was I'm not gonna risk it.

[Advent]

it's all about money with the government they want us to spend all our money on there legal drugs stupid alcohol and tobacco. Now dont get me wrong i love a good drink and maybe even getting drunk and i love smoking when i'm amped, but of all the things they could have kept legal why did they leave to 2 dumbest ones. I think it's all fucked, i dont even let it get to me anymore, america's legal system is fucked and thats all there is to it. You can legally go buy a gallon of tequila and drink yourself into alcohol poisoning and thats perfectly legal, and you can do this with kids there. But light up a joint in your house in the other room hiding from kids and they'll put you in jail for endangering children. It's rediculous.
No kidding, I was just thinking about why aren't there any "fun" drugs that are legal. Alcohol got old to me fast. I don't even consider tobacco a drug, it's just fucking lame.

[stalk]

What are any of us going to do about this?


Our life here, in america, is so weird.

makes me fucking weep.

[Klute]

2 -CT -7 should be left alone, that shit is wrong!
Me and a mate did some a while back and for the whole night all he could say was 'The moon and the stars and the moon and like its the stars and shit dood.' Confused the fuck outta me hearin him say that shit while im tryin to figure out how the fuck to put my shoes on (even tho we're not goin any where) then after 2 hours of tryin I realised that its probably not a good idea to put gloves on your feet. Morale of the story....Don't snort 2-CT-7!!!! Wish someone had told me that!

[Joey935]

Maybe if you did a little research beforehand you would've known how potentialy deadly insufflating t7 is... and maybe, just maybe you would have dosed correctly and possibly benefited something from the experience. It's dumbass motherfuckers like you that are the reason that these compounds get scheduled and ruin it for us all. And what was the point of posting this here anyway moron?

[PsyGrunge]

I hate America. 100,000 people die each year from tobbaco and they keep it legal to sell, posses, ingest.......You're not the only one who hates America. 100,000 people a year die from tobacco - and also from alcohol abuse and that's readily available on our shop shelves. It's fucking stupid.

[Day Dreamer]

You're not the only one who hates America. 100,000 people a year die from tobacco - and also from alcohol abuse and that's readily available on our shop shelves. It's fucking stupid.Personally, I view tobacco and the tobacco industry as a function of natural selection. We need to kill off some people, and even now we're not meeting our quota.

[peaceful_kid89]

In April 2002, an 18-year-old male in Hancock, New York died after consuming a chemical obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU. A 19-year-old male friend of the decedent later confirmed using similar chemicals obtained from WWW.PONDMAN.NU that resulted in him suffering from seizures, floating spots in his vision, memory lapses, uncontrollable teeth grinding and large lumps that would appear and disappear periodically on his face and neck.

and even after reading this your still interested in trying these chemicals and pissed that these people have gotten in trouble..all i can say is what the fuck,why do you still want these web-research chemicals??!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?

[nofx1422]

Because some people are responsible in their use of exotic chemicals. Then again just as many are not

[PsyGrunge]

Anyone heard of "Purple Ohms"? they are a legal high in the UK in the head fuel range - a substitute for lsd or shrooms - they are really fun to trip with but i've had for too many and i'm stuck with ripple marks in my vision (whenever i'm looking at something far away), and hesitation wheni'm in big crowds of people. narrowed it down to heavy use of these things, thinking back they weren't even fun coz you're stuck in trip mode and totally confused more than anything - it's like "guess the level of euphoria" rather than feeling pure euphoria.

[mynameisjake07]

well honestly, i really dont wanna try a drug that will give me lumps on my neck and face and give me seizures....um so I kinda understand

[PsyGrunge]

you reckon these people knew that was in store for them before taking the drug??

[peaceful_kid89]

well i doubt they knew that was in store but im talking about the people who are pissed off in this forum over how they cant take that drug anymore.

[Phen-research-vas]

Any drug used in improper doses or improper methods can have negative effects. What drug are you talking about, I assume it is one that was sold by a web tryped website? Didn't read the full thread.

[2cesarewild]

This is about operation web tryp.

[manrike]

the party is not over. It has simply moved and we have to find where. These crusaders will be long gone and the party will remain.

If anyone has info on domestic sources please e-mail. I only have canadians eh!

[manrike]

please disregard the request for info. I didn't realize how dire the situation is. It is the first time I try to get anything through non-traditional methods.

My apologies.

[sublime94]

Bullshit! But Bromo is still legal!

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

whats the situation now then? are there still some vendors about? they seem much harder to "stumble across". can you still find one using the guidelines or are they being more secretive... just to clarify im not asking for sources i want to find them myself:D x x x

[resistance]

is there still somewhere a psychonaut can get research chems???


i RALLY want to try some of the 2c family :(

[Death]

it sucks that happened.

ill stick to good nugs, but i want to try dmt or somethin like that eventually before i die.

but if shrooms is all i can get safely, then so be it.

[PsychMyke]

RC's are still available...thats all i will say. Seek and you shall discover

[highflyer]

hah u bet, and its not just drugs.

[JTDizzle]

Ladies & Gentlemen,

As a new citizen in your funky psychedelic world, what is a guy like me to do to get hooked up? I'm not new to underground (sort of, or should I say alternative) forums or web scam artists, etc. but I'm just an ex-club kid who wants to get back on the saddle every now and again and try some of this new stuff I'm hearing about. I feel fairly confident that I've found solid vendor possibilities over the web after reading your posts for several hours (my eyes are bleeding!) but without purchasing mass quantities (which I certainly don't have the funds for), divulging the "company" (the one I really work for obviously won't add up) I'm affiliated with, etc. I'm not sure how to make this work. I'd like to PM one of you regulars but I haven't met my post requirment as of yet, so I'm working on that right now. Any solid feedback will be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to contact me offline. Admins you have my permission to give out my contact info.

Regards,

J.T.

[ODB]

^^go be social in the real world. The internet isn't the best of places to find a hook up between the scammers and the feddies with dreadies(or glow sticks). If you seek small amounts to party on, then go find a group of people you feel you can trust and ask them after you have gained their trust. Other wise you sound like you are some sort of P.I. and you are trying to follow the trade to get close to the people ordering larger amounts. IDK....just my paranoid thoughts J.T.

[JTDizzle]

I"m sure I'll get by just fine without you. Thanks anyway.

[WallOfSleep]

Overgrow the government!

[jeff420420420]

When will this country learn? If the DEA would concentrate all the money and efforts into taking on the crack and methamphetamine epedemic they could actually do us some good. More people die each year from cigarrettes and tobacco but yet it still remains legal. In a massive enough dose nicotine can kill just the same as alcohol or a designer drug. Why do they target something that potentially has some good uses. The true psychonaut is not really taking a hullucinogen for the "recreational" aspects of the drug, yet they are taking it for the therapeutic uses and self exploration of mind and spirit. One day, I am just going to up and move to the Netherlands where at least they have some level headed-ness about chemicals.

[CmonNow]

If you do the proper research* anything can be found, but blatently giving out sources pm to someone you dont know is a no-no. They could be DEA you never know. WebTryp did little to the RC community except down some US based websites. If you use google with a little creativity you will find what your looking for. And researching and finding the sources is usually more fun then getting the product offered and definitely more fun then getting it given to you without earning it. It gives way more of a sense of accomplishment. Something you dont get via PM.

[NeuroDr]

This whole "drug war" is ridiculous...



If you do the proper research* anything can be found, but blatently giving out sources pm to someone you dont know is a no-no. They could be DEA you never know. WebTryp did little to the RC community except down some US based websites. If you use google with a little creativity you will find what your looking for. And researching and finding the sources is usually more fun then getting the product offered and definitely more fun then getting it given to you without earning it. It gives way more of a sense of accomplishment. Something you dont get via PM.Fo sho researchin is fun, but its always nice to get a little help, I kno I could use it sometimes...haha...just dont be stupid about it....

[kool_thus]

Idiots were always more numerous than those who actually use their brains for more than puttin drugs into it...
So banned drugs will remain that way for a long time; otherwise, *way* too many would be jumping off of buildings, killing themselves in a psychotic episode, or lethally OD'ing on certain drugs...

For humanity's own good, drugs should remain banned for a lil longer, until a future generation is progressed enough to be reposible with these things...

Plus, it's so much more fun when they are illegal, imo :)

[nofx1422]

Its not when you get caught

[captainblack666]

Idiots were always more numerous than those who actually use their brains for more than puttin drugs into it...
So banned drugs will remain that way for a long time; otherwise, *way* too many would be jumping off of buildings, killing themselves in a psychotic episode, or lethally OD'ing on certain drugs...

For humanity's own good, drugs should remain banned for a lil longer, until a future generation is progressed enough to be reposible with these things...

Plus, it's so much more fun when they are illegal, imo :)Actually, if people could wrap their heads around the idea of using psychedelics responsibely and not ABUSING them or just trying to get as fucked up as they could, it wouldnt be a problem.

I mean, a new drug comes along, it becomes a fad, and then it can fade, however it becoming a public issue fuels it. Look at salvia d. I remember trying it like 9 years ago. However it wasnt until a few years ago it started to REALLY take off, but ironically enough, I believe thats around the time the first US state banned it... hmmmmm...

you said, "its more fun when its illegal"

well, thats what drives a good handful of irresponsable users to try something for their first time, especially when you are looking at someone in the age range of say 12 to 17 or so, you tell a teen not to try something, and thats its bad, and then their friends tell them its fun, it just makes it that much more tempting because of the risk.

[kool_thus]

well, yea, i admit it: i'm not so sure i would've tried so many molecules, if it wasn't for the risk *aswell*. And I'm pretty much sure that is true for 99% of the people.

Look at the Netherlands. I was recently talking to a girl that is 19, and never tried weed in her life. Nor does she want to do that any time soon. Yet, I used to know 16 years olds in my country (where weed is illegal), that were regular weed smokers :)

And this is also one of the reasons why the war on drugs IS counter productive ;)

[Phen-research-vas]

lol I know people that started smokin weed when they were like 11, laws or no laws almost anyone can get weed if they want

[Schwag]

well, yea, i admit it: i'm not so sure i would've tried so many molecules, if it wasn't for the risk *aswell*. And I'm pretty much sure that is true for 99% of the people.Speak for yourself. Most responsible drug users I know have no care if drugs are legal or illegal. They will do them either way. They don't get some thrill because they use an illegal drug. They use that drug to gain experience in life, basically. Drugs, more so psychedelics, should be used as learning tools. Getting a cheap thrill because you're using an illegal drug should have nothing to do with it. People using drugs because they're illegal is one of the reasons they still are illegal. Kool_thus, I'm not saying this is the only reason you use drugs. But don't you agree, a responsible user can have irresponsible aspects of their drug use?

As a society, we are already progressed enough to use psychedelics responsibly. Most of us don't have any clue that we are though. That is the problem I think. The ones who know have to teach the ones who don't. Once again, history repeats itself. Just my thoughts on the subject.

[Phen-research-vas]

fuck if they made some inert white powder illegal I wouldn't use it lol. I use drugs because of the insight I get from them, although in other cases I use drugs because of the pleasure I get from them. The pleasure drugs are the ones that fuck with you the most. I smoke weed because it helps me feel chilled out, if it wasn't for that effect I wouldn't just smoke it because it was illegal.

I think most people who use drugs responsibly have periods when they don't. I know sometimes I don't use drugs responsibly when I go on a binge. but at the same time I do use them responsibly because I study the effects and understand the precautions that need to be taken, and I use appropreate materials and equipment and ensure it is the correct substance via reagents and shit.

[kool_thus]

i was talking about the first time ;)
i doubt you guys knew how much insight you gain from psychedelics and how good weed will chill you out, before you even tried it.
the first time you did it - it was because of curiosity, social pressure, or thrill. i think these are the main reasons why one tries drugs for the first time..

[Schwag]

I somewhat agree with you. For me, boredom sparked my initial, irresponsible drug use. That irresponsible use though, helped me grow into a person that could understand the possibility of using drugs for a better purpose. I still remember being 13/14 years old and deciding that I either needed to start using drugs responsibly or stop using drugs altogether. I chose the latter, and I'm glad I did.

Had I been older when I first started using drugs, things might've been different. I would have come at them from a whole other angle. Who knows what angle that would've been though, as I've already choose to start at an early age. My guess is curiosity as I've always been a curious person. It's difficult to gauge something like that. You'd have to re-fabricate your entire life after initial drug use to understand what you would have done differently.

[NeuroDr]

I somewhat agree with you. For me, boredom sparked my initial, irresponsible drug use. That irresponsible use though, helped me grow into a person that could understand the possibility of using drugs for a better purpose. I still remember being 13/14 years old and deciding that I either needed to start using drugs responsibly or stop using drugs altogether. I chose the latter, and I'm glad I did.ditto...but a few years later...curiosity and fun became respect and appreciation...and still fun..lol

[stonemaster]

The idea that "future" generations would handle things better is off. Human beings are base and simple and always will be. the mass of them that is , actually i think its getting worse. people cant handle eating correctly so how would they suddenly become "wise" in their drug use.

[krainaoz]

people are irresponsible, but hey at the of the day Darwin rules should apply...The weak, stupid, irresponsible people don't withstand the duty of evolution, which is thinking and looking after yourself...they get eliminated :) sounds rough but its true.

[Codone]

The "masses" can only become hip to the truths about drugs when it's okay to actually TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT DRUGS. That means government, law enforcement, and all those with power and influence. As long as they continue to equate marijuana with meth/crack/heroin/etc. and downplay the benefits of drugs by using overblown scare stories and propaganda, the majority of people will continue to believe it. Just look at the media and other capitalist bullshit that passes as entertainment, the typical "American" diet, our extravagant status symbols and spending habits, and the general de-evolution of intelligent thinking in this country and you'll see what I mean.

Anything fun, enlightening, mind-expanding or possibly dissidence-inducing is immediately made illegal in much the same fashion that they sell us their made up justifications for war, increasing gas prices, and the like: find some tragic freak accidents that were caused by a drug (tell half-truths, leaving out vital details as to WHY an event happened as with 9/11), make up some incredible myths about holes in the brain, drained spinal fluid, etc (tell a story that can be easily re-told as a scare tactic and has some entertainment value, as with "terrorists" and "foreigners eating babies"), and threaten people with legal consequences (in the form of surveillance through the Patriot Act or other operations possibly leading to jail time, etc).

There is no such thing as a war on "poverty", "drugs", "terror" or any other inanimate thing: there is only a war on people. And all these "wars" have 2 key motivators: money and power. It's the American Dream, after all.

They did it with ephedra in '04 and are in the process of doing it to salvia right now, so it's no surprise that they're trying to eliminate these chemicals...it's just disheartening. And anyone who thinks for a second that any of the current presidential hopefuls has ANY intent of changing this process is sorely mistaken. Not that one person could overturn this entire system all alone anyway, but it's something to remember when endorsing your political puppet of choice come election season.

Long live democracy.

[cynikal]

Damn why the fuck did they have to ban MARIJUANNA, let alone banning salvia divinorum, years back I was able to order that shit, even the extract shit, now its getting banned everywhere in the states.

What next banning herbal smokes that only make you a little buzzed?
You know you can do an extract on the herbs and spray the herbal mix and make it potent.

[Mystical815]

I have to applaud that rant Codone much truth in there, fuck money and power it should be about happiness and preservation but we slowly destroy the earth were on while most of the earths population is depressed,starving,angry or whatever instead of enjoying the luck of living here cause who knows afterlife could be MUCH worse, and this is fucked up to say cause i am one but fuck humans we are to the earth what cancer and aids is to us

[Oildros]

They did it with ephedra in '04 and are in the process of doing it to salvia right now, so it's no surprise that they're trying to eliminate these chemicals...it's just disheartening.

But don't forget it's a meth precurser; I don't really think they'd have picked up on it if it wasn't for that. You can still buy ma huang, or ephedra sinica, as a tea online, and it contains ephedrine.

It's just one of those things, though; the party isn't over, people just have to get creative. No matter what they do, you can still buy n n dmt and mescaline in plant sources online, easily, totally easily, and do a simple procedure on erowid to obtain the chemicals.

Those who have the creativity and motivation to do it can have what they want. You can learn how to do _anything_ on the internet.

[bmw5233]

Don't underestimate alcohol lobbies.