High w/o Drugs? Trip?

[secretservgy]

Hey all, i'm a teen, and i dont have access/nor do i wanna get in trouble with marijuana and such. I wanted to know if theres any ways to mellow out, "get high", have a trip or something without drugs. Help please all...THanks

[Posthumous]

http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php

[WoodstockChild]

If you find out tell me. LOL

[secretservgy]

interesting meditation thing...but its not exactly what i'm looking for

[Thunder2002]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pcMGXpmtyk&search=hallucination
enjoy!

[secretservgy]

ha...thats awesome!! But i wish the hallucination lasted longer

[secretservgy]

Anyone got any other great ideas?

[secretservgy]

i'm thinkin about staying up for awhile (2 or 3 days), anyone tell me what i can expect w/ hallucinations and such if possible?

[nismo]

hey dude dont try the sleeping thing....not good for you at all....if anything try meet some people that may have some knowledge on natural or spiritual highs not related to anything illegal or harming, thats what ur after right?

If you could get some salvia that sounds like something in your line of fire...

[trippedelia]

haha if you're doing salvia without any bud experience, something something.

[secretservgy]

i've heard of salvia, actually know a lot about it, i dont wanna smoke or any thing like that right now, since i'm 14 and live with ma parents.

[KParker730]

Go running! It releases chemicals that make you feel "high" especially if you are running fast or a long distance.

[secretservgy]

ugh...hate runnin

[WoodstockChild]

Does that video really make you hallucinate? SWEET!!!

[KParker730]

Haha i love running... endorphins are one of the best drugs ever!

[secretservgy]

the video is pretty cool, but the like "hallucinations" only last a few seconds, it makes whatever you look at all waves and moving

[WoodstockChild]

Me and my sister are gonna try it. Could you like have a seizure or something? LOL sorry

[secretservgy]

na, i dont think so, but then again if your prone to seizures maybe, irly dunno.
you live in jones beach?? i live right near smiths point, didnt know there were other hippies on the island!

[WoodstockChild]

I'm not... just wondering. LOL!
Nah, I just liked the Dead image.
I'm going to try that thing again without blinking. Yay!

[secretservgy]

Anyone know any answers to my question?Thanks

[WoodstockChild]

Dammit. The video didn't work :( Oh well

[secretservgy]

hmm..thats odd..oh well
Jah got any other ideas? About the meditation someone said before, exactly what can that do for me?

[stebo32]

man what you wanna do is "astral travel"... no drugs needed (although it happens on psychedelics rarely... except its diffrent experiencing it sober, in a good way, cause youll remember it and be more aware), just lots of practice and relaxation and visualisation... astral travelling is more intense then any drug if youre looking for a mind-blowing experience. Its releasing a part of you in the astral plane.

look it up on google dood, "astral projection"... ye can easily astral travel from dreams, if yer ever lucid in a dream (lucid dreaming, is a cool "high" as well)... well when youre lucid, i command myself to return to my body so the dream stops, and when that happens... youre in a state of sleep paralysis, you might hear freaky noises, you might feel vibrations, loud buzzing in your ears, but if you have no fear, youll split from yer body

I know its hard to digest all of this stuff, but look it up man, get some books



but it takes a fuck load of will man... even during the day, you have to work on your awareness, and go through a certain "enlightenment" to be more aware of your dreaming. there are ways to induce astral projections two. but that is way hard... ye need to be great at meditation, visualisation techniques etc...

I must say, psychedelics are way easier if yer looking for a trip then astral projection. But theres nothing like astral projection man... everyone must experience this, but a lot of ppl change when it happens, cuz they realise "fuck... the world is not so simple" and yer usually quite "out of reality" in your daily life, cuz realising youre 2 meters above your body can be quite something for some people.

[secretservgy]

about the astral projection, i looked around on google and such and tried to learn about it. Much of it made nooo sense and didnt tell me exactly how to do it. Can you give me a numbered instruction list on how to project my astral body? Thanks

[secretservgy]

So does anyone have any ideas and can actually EXPLAIN them??

[stebo32]

as if you've ever done it. lol.yea, you caught me, darn you sunset.

lmao. lolz.

[secretservgy]

wow
then uhm....what else is tehre? Like how can i get closer to nature or whtnot?

[stebo32]

you can appreciate whats around you... and stop wanting so much.

and to get closer to nature, i dunno, maybe a walk in the park or what not?!
just a suggestion.

[trippedelia]

stop caring about what another animal thinks of you and consume whatever you want.

[secretservgy]

i consume whatever i want....last time i had steak was two nights ago..

[KParker730]

about the astral projection, i looked around on google and such and tried to learn about it. Much of it made nooo sense and didnt tell me exactly how to do it. Can you give me a numbered instruction list on how to project my astral body? Thanks
Thats definitely not how astral projection works. There are tips and suggestions on how to do it, but the only way to actually do it is to learn for yourself. I have gotten very close, but got kinda freaked out and stopped trying. When you are close you get this vibration in your chakras... and i guess after that you leave your body. I got the vibrations, but they freaked me the fuck out! I havent tried it again in years

[secretservgy]

doya got any other ideas? Any idea how to hallucinate or trip or get extremely euphirc with nothing or stuff around my house?

[trippedelia]

i consume whatever i want....last time i had steak was two nights ago..you know i was talking about psychoactive substances, are you just asking for help and then every time someone says an idea you say no?

[secretservgy]

i'm not purposely saying no, they just suck

[trippedelia]

then chuck a fuckin' harry potter and magic a special woopdeedoo way, the earth has given you many many special unique ways to feel different, yet you say they suck.

[secretservgy]

aight man

[trippedelia]

sorry for getting so angry mate i was in a stupid mood, but really, apart from meditative things there is no other way without actually having chems in you.

[seaweedyness]

this may sound stupid, but, what's astral projection? i dont need to know how to do it, i just want to know what it is

[WoodstockChild]

Trust me. If there was a magical way to just trip without drugs, then everyone would be doing it.

[erowid]

No I thbink if there were an easy way to think youre mind into any state everyone would be doing it, I think through realization of the self one can overcome there natural given form, as for the lack of hard testimony, what the hell would an enlightened person care about outlining for junkies a shortcut, compared to all the profound selfless causes one can find in our world today, regression to the core.

I hope meditation comes as the "stone" your looking for, it brings my being to peace in even turbulent times

[trippedelia]

it does indeed i should do it a bit more.

[WhisperingWoods]

Yeah, meditation and lucid dreaming are a couple staples of my diet. I love each experience and look forward to the next as I type. I always forget to assert my power how I always want to, though.

to the OP, I say.. Worst comes to worst and you're too lazy to pursue meditation, exercise, and other alternative natural body/mind highs, eat shrooms. You don't need to put any carbon in your lungs, kill brain cells or pollute your liver with toxins, shrooms are probably the safest drug available. Another route would be to try weed some time. It's amazingly easy to sneak that shit around and even smoke around the house. Weed smoke isn't as harmful as cig smoke and is not linked to cancer, this is backed by scientific documentation.

If you're going to throw all these ideas away, then what a big fool you are, asking us for things like "hey, smoke banana peels or snort these crushed pills!" "Take a handful of these average household pills!" "Drink this cough syrup!" You're looking in the wrong direction for a very obvious answer.

erowid.com is your friend -> feed your head


Oh one more thing. Nutmeg tea.. I guess.

[tpgi]

What exactly are you asking? Like are there legal drugs? You could trip on dxm morning glory seeds and what not. But if you really wanna get high just smoke a jay and chiill. Your question is kind of rediculous..."how can i get high without getting high?"

[Abbie Hoffman]

personally i think you are making a mistake, but the two best household drug I would have to say are:

Diphenhydramine AKA Benadryl, pretty intense trip, kind of unpleasant at times but definitly rewarding. Search erowid to find out doses.

And I wouldnt advise doing it, but if you really want to trip for a short time, try inhaling some air duster. Still I say its a bad idea because it kills brain cells, but it is hella fun.

All in all i would say don't be like me and do a bunch of dumb shit that fucks you up when you could just smoke weed and get just what you are looking for. Its a mistake man. I know your situation all too well.

[Tiocfaidh ár Lá]

might not work for everyone but this is what I do sometimes…

1- Pretty much the same as everyone else said about the meditating and stuff will work.
being outside sometimes helps, like go on the roof sit back just look up at the sky with a clear mind (not meaning empty minded but just stop thinking about everything and just lightly focus on one happy/good thing around you like the stars or something) you could try with low medium paced possibly acoustic peaceful music or nice flowing peaceful rock/ blues rock what ever calms you (don’t pay much attention to the music thats to relax you as a background focus) so you slowly forget about everything…basically not a high but a happy clean feeling. (I might just be crazy but it works for me)

2- I got this idea from john frusciante. (not sure if this will work if you’ve never done the drug) if you deeply read about the effects of a drug and I don’t mean point form but stuff like detailed experiences like a first person point of vied of what happened to them (what they felt) and a third person of what the persons actions were (what they did, said…) stuff like that to trick your mind that you feel it too. It doesn’t always work for me so…

that’s all I can think of right now I’ve done some other things to get “high” but I can’t think right now
I’m kind of sick and out of my mind so it might not make sense at all and sound really dumb. If it is stupid I am deeply sorry for wasting your time

good day

~peace

[trippedelia]

I Have The Best Idea!
Dont Huff Air Duster!!
Why Didnt We All Think Of That Before??!!!!!!

[trippedelia]

capitals.

[LSDPsychonaut]

That youtube shit totally made me flashback hardcore.

[JvY]

The youtube video was a semi-shroom like experience but for only about 5 seconds and not as hardcore.

If your really interested in this stuff kid, just try salvia. Its not hard to get, its legal, you can do it outside in a minute then run up to your room and get in ur bed and just take it all in.

[WhisperingWoods]

Even a natural high from your body is still brought on by drugs (chemicals) released in your brain.

I take back everything in my last post. Read this next line.
You can not get high without drugs, drugs are THE chemicals that change the way your body/mind works.

[Lather]

Buy a lot of Salvia and chew the leaves if you don't want to smoke. But really I think pot is the best way to get started on drugs.. if you go straight into Salvia you might flip. And don't try fuckin Benadryl hahahaha it'll freak you out so bad. Wait 2-3 years and start smoking pot. Until then be happy with what you have man you're 14

[italianhippie750]

uhh three letters...

DXM!!

why hasnt anybody suggested this to the poor guy here.

hey buddy dxm is great shit... go hit the second platue and try that little hallucinogen video again.. ive done it on dxm.. and it never fuckin stops.. literally.. infact it made the entire room spin around for about 30 minutes, couldnt see straight.. had to put my head down..

after the spinning stopped, you get that wavy effect for the rest of the 4 hour high! imagine being tripped out on dxm second platue(stoned, high, and in a sort of feeling floating) with visual effects on everything.. also.. listen to some music with it.. gooood music. not that weird noise on that video that would make me vomit.. haha

ok now im rambling..

anyway... look up dxm.. get some robitussin or something..

no smoking involved... if your parents might catch you, then only hit first platue(nobody notices unless you walk around with them, in which case you walk like your walking through water, which is WEIRD).

remember.. listen to music with it.

if you really dont want ANY drugs... then just drown yourself in some good tunes..

music gives me euphoria without drugs man.

[italianhippie750]

just thought id add that you cant fall asleep with dxm in your system.. although it can make you feel very chill and sedated at its peak.. it wont allow you to sleep..

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

please dont advise people to do dxm. although you may love it italian it is also dangerous and often not recommended by many people.
man i wouldnt worry about drugs at the time being as you say you dont want to dissapoint your parents and everything.
meditation man thats the key to gaining a feeling without chemical influences, try a simple breathing meditation.
and yer music also gives me euphoria. good luck xx

[flameintoabyss]

ey dude.. im 14, well almost 15 and i live with my parents in cali..
about 6 months ago i was in a position somewhat like you are in..
i wanted something different, and i was curious about the whole 'trip' idea.
i obviously knew about weed and all the drugs but i never realized what they would actually do to me until i tried it.. i can honestly say that marijuana is one of the best things to happen to me because i have a completely new perspective on life and the world as i had once known it to be. (spare the many details)
pot hasnt made me a dumbass, i maintained a 3.67 GPA last semester and i feel more knowledgable than ever.. although a bit slow at times i would say that i havent lost much since my first encounter with drugs..
now ive tried a lot of different mind altering substances (weed, salvia, dxm, dmt, etc)and my mind has expanded soo much..

so all in all if you are looking for a real trip, you r going to have to resort to the big ol' D word (drugs), if not then ur stuck with internet spirals =[

and btw.. if you are smart about it then ur parents will never know =]]

[twally]

i dont get why u so like antidrug.. just do something when ur parents arent home and u kno u cant get caught.. prefirably smoke the marajuana cause its not expensive not harmfull and doesnt cost that much and isnt hard to get.. o and cant fuck up ur life really

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

how can weed teach u shit?? wen im stoned i just sit and larf and eat lol. and it makes me unmotivated. i think the reefer is a bit overrated. id rather sip on some beers den smoke a joint...

[OstrOsized]

I think if you want to have the same learning experience as psychedelics teach you, just over a lot longer period of time, then meditation is the way to go, but you should do it at least once a day(Or a few times a week I guess) for as long as you see fit if you were to try this. All the people who meditate often for long periods of time seek the same "enlightenment" that many seek when wanting to take psyschedelics. I always describe the psychedelic experience as "Forced Meditation".

As for actually hallucinating without drugs...Beats me...

[soaringeagle]

try this to halucinate naturaly
it really does work
sit with someone in a completely dark room
sit on the floor facing eachother about 3 feet apart with a candle on the floor between you (candle should be 6 or 8 inches tall)
stare across the candle at eachothers eyes
try not to blink
within seconds to a minute or 2 you'll start to see eachothers faces going through all sorts of crazy changes

oh theres also a thing that has a simular effect,k i forget what its called but its like a tube with holes in it & a lightbulb inside & you spin it & it stumulates your brain somehow to release some chemical that makes you halucinate
a freind made 1 i think he got the pattern from some university study i guess its simular tothose glasses that flash lights onto your eyelids which also cause halucinations but ithink are used to stimulate memmory or something

[poorphucker]

Soooo..... a thread going out of people's ways, telling a 14 year old, how to get high off of common household items.

I did not think that was what the hip forums was geared towards.

Do not see what is so hip about that!

I could see where advice given here could go so very wrong if actually acted upon.

I read a thread recently about cacti and people jumping down upon another... saying that it is actions like his, that would make cacti illegal in certain places.

WELL, telling a 14 yo to try salvia, especially a person that is not familiar with anything at all... sure does not help the legal aspects of salvia and where it is headed.

When the times come for the legislators to look into making salvia illegal, it will be threads like this one, that they glean off the net and use against saliva.


PEOPLE... going out of your way to help younger people learn how to get high off of things that they are not knowledgable of... does not seem too respectful of the substances themselves or the person.

I remember a time when a person died on shroomery chat because of others stupid suggestions. Brought a lot of bad heat down upon that site... not to mention someone's death.

The future of these forums could actually suffer over any advice given that came from here that resulted in some 14 yo going to the hospital or dying.

And for the poster.... someone young like you, so full of the want and need to feel a high that you crave....

GOTO A RAINBOW GATHERING!!

YOU just might find that "high" you crave without the use of any drugs whatsoever!

[BeaverKoffi]

of course there is no such thing that will actually make you trip of soem kind of high. That is why people do drugs.
But the only and the best choice is sport. Your body has more serotin receptors than ur brain, and after an 30 min exercise or more, after blood has pumped into msucles serotin levels go up , and you feel refreshed and strangely good for the rest of the day. But you might say , if you do drugs you are crazy high , more than anything? of corse because drugs triggers lots of serotin recepotrs that JUST pump it into ur brain, like E. not natural effect. and can be dangerous.

[uplink]

The following images are NOT animated:
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/illusion/images/image002.jpg
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/illusion/images/illus11.jpg
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/illusion/images/spinner1.gif

The only high's I've gotten without drugs is like lucid dreaming, and I was in a bubble bath, and stood up and then passed out (and fell over in the bubble bath) and had a near-death experience that was totally fucked up. I don't recommend trying to kill yourself from a high.

[Silverbackman]

Modern times really sucks balls. In the past (100 years or more ago) both adults and children could use any substance they want and it wasn't looked down upon by parents because it was just apart of life. Now a days, because of the godamn religious fundamentalists and socialists, everything is now artificial and fucked up.

As other people have pointed out, meditation or lucid dreaming is the only way to get "high" or trip. Exercise also works, though in a more bodily way.

uplink, how do they make images like that? I've seen other images like that before, but never understood them that much.

[MethFreak]

www.bwgen.com (http://www.bwgen.com/) go to OOBE and download a good preset close you eyes and focus on the sound, it made me see pictures and colors after 25 mins, download crack on piratebay,isohunt

[in da snake]

I didn't read all the post but seeing how your 14 you should froget all about drugs ect and focus on making friends and school. When your late 17 or early 18 that is a good time to start trying drugs. Reson being you most likely be a grad or senior and grade won't matter alot. Drugs are less addictive to people who start at a later age so if you have to quit it won't drive you mad. Lastly it's much easyer for someone who is 18 to get money to buy the drugs and find contacts to get the "harder to get" stuff like weed, srooms and pcp. Best of all most dealers don't over charge older people as bad as they will younger users.

Natrually you are going to ignoure my advise but it is worth the wait. Don't take my word for it as anyone who started young and is now 18 or so. like sex worth the wait

[in da snake]

I thought over the drug free high while smoking bud and drinking bud (hahah i like that punn) and me and my friend have thought of the perfect way to get high w/o drugs and very little equipment, all you need is a spining chair or stool. Spin as fast as you can as long as you can, but becareful you can overdose and vomit and it will give you and bad come down evey time......

enjoy

[eshu]

meditation is NOT for getting high of course :)

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3536870#post3536870

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

exercise man...it releases endorphins which is a natural high within ur own body...

[Mushgirl]

okay, this is a lot like soaring eagle's suggestion, only you don't need anyone else... do this:

get a mirror. get into a comfy position. then look at your eyes in the mirror, and try not to blink. don't move your sight... it'll take like a minute or two but your reflection will start to look like a big sorta white blob thing in the mirror.

[bandbeyondescription]

if you get confused listen to the music play you can with a specia kind of medetation called TM the asians figured it out in like 1970's. its really cool man.

[Share the Warmth]

Follow the directions in the meditation link posted. Develop some patience and discipline, follow what is written in that website through, and you will be rewarded.

[eshu]

you can with a specia kind of medetation called TM the asians figured it out in like 1970's. its really cool man.
transcendental meditation (TM) is looked down by most serious masters. many say that it's not a meditation but concentration. concentraition is quite the opposite of meditation.
exercise with caution, there are scientific works that claim TM can be even dangerous to the brain and therfore the body.
and the brain is not a toy :)

sorry for the slight off-topic.

[PhilosopherStoned18]

I haven't read through this whole thread but has anybody talked about fasting. four or five days without food and very little liquids might do the trick.


Read up on native american vision quests. People spending days alone fasting in the wilderness to obtain visions, hallucinations and contact with God.

Also if your desperate for something whacky (i don't rec. this) DXM trip. Get a bottle of robitussin and go ga ga.

[lostdazedintime]

meditate or get perma-fried.

[highflyer]

meditating releases DMT...so no there is no way...although I understand there is some kind of electronic devise which causes your body to release endorphins and dopamine or something along those lines. I believe its called ems? look on erowid thats where I read it.