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Cristall
07-20-2006, 08:59 PM
Hello everyone,
I just saw the movie called "a beautiful mind". You know, this thing with Russel Crowe. Anyway, it made me think about schizophrenia. I mean, is it really a mental illness or is it possible that John Nash was able to see persons that do exist but cannot be seen by ordinary people, that he had abilities to notice supernatural things. I've already had a discussion with a friend of mine about that issue yesterday. I hope you don't think that I'm weird. But I would like to know what you guys think about it.
Gdeadhead420
07-20-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm pretty damned sure he was just shizophrenic.
desert nightmare
08-01-2006, 06:02 PM
There is no way of knowing that so how can i answer it.
Maggie Sugar
08-04-2006, 05:44 PM
Psychosis has sound, organic basis. You can see the damage done to the brain after years of schziophrenia on CT scans, PET scans, MRIs ect.
Psychosis of this sort is a terrible, mind wasting disease. There is really nothing "amazing" about people with this illnesss, except it is very sad to see a human being so gone. I've worked with a few psychotic children, and it was a terrible, depressing experience, as psychosis which manifests so early is basically not treatble. And even adult onset schziophrenia is barely treatable, and not curable. The man in this movie was a genius IN SPITE of his illness, not because of it. And there are also doubts if his original diagnosis was appropriate.
StonerBill
08-07-2006, 09:18 AM
various cultures over the world have treated schizophrenics with an air of divinity, for they percieve these hallucinations as seeing supernatural beings. but a larger study and close look at the nature of schizophrenic hallucinations show that they exist dependantly of the schizophrenic's mind
Maggie Sugar
08-07-2006, 04:27 PM
but a larger study and close look at the nature of schizophrenic hallucinations show that they exist dependantly of the schizophrenic's mind Do you mean "imdependently of the schizophrenic's mind?" I would really like to see that study, see who conducted it, and what journal published it, and HOW they were able to determine this. I'd really like to either read this study or see a journal reference. Do you have a reference? I would like to see it for study myself.
Have you ever been around a frank psychotic? There is NOTHING divine about it. It's just sad and a waste of a mind. Schizophrenia is actually nothing like being on acid or being in a meditative state, which is what many people who have never been around psychotics think. It is just the brain misfiring and really not being able to process incoming information. Nothing divine about it at all. I don't know of any societies which consider it divine. Most treat it as an illness or a curse or a possesion by demons, in traditional societies.
Maggie Sugar
08-07-2006, 05:17 PM
Here is some good info on just what Schizophrenia is and isn't. There is even a PET scan pic, to show that to the schizophrenic, thier brain is actually so effected that their visual and aural cortex is showing stimulation while hallucinating. (Ooooopps the PET scan didn't show up. I'll try again later, though.)
Schizophrenia
Positive symptoms
Positive symptoms reflect the presence of distinctive behaviors. There are many different positive symptoms of schizophrenia. Schizophrenic patients may experience
A colored PET scan of the left side of a schizophrenic male patient during a hallucination. The visual and auditory regions of the brain (at the right and the upper center, respectively) are active, confirming that he both saw and heard colored talking heads during the hallucination. (Wellcome Department of Cognitive Neurology/SPL/Photo Researchers, Inc. Reproduced by permission.)
strange or paranoid delusions that are out of touch with reality such as the belief that others are persecuting them, or that others are controlling their minds. Schizophrenic patients may have disturbing or frightening hallucinations. The most common hallucinations are auditory, but may also be visual. Other positive symptoms include sensitivity and fearful reaction to ordinary sights, sounds, or smells, along with agitation, tension, and the inability to sleep (insomnia).
Negative symptoms
Negative symptoms reflect the absence of normal social and interpersonal behaviors. Negative symptoms of schizophrenia are varied. Schizophrenic patients often have a reduction in their ability to experience appropriate emotions, or express their emotions. This reduced expressiveness often leads to periods of withdrawal from others. Patients may also experience a lack of motivation, energy, and ability to experience pleasure. Schizophrenic patients often have poverty of speech, and will not speak readily with others.
Disorganized symptoms
Schizophrenic patients may have confused thinking and speech, which makes it difficult for them to communicate effectively with others. Disorganized behaviors such as unnecessary, repetitive movements are also common.
Diagnosis
Schizophrenics often initially display prodromal signs, which are signs preceding a psychotic episode. Schizophrenic prodromal signs may include social isolation, odd behavior, lack of personal hygiene, and blunted emotions. The prodromal phase is followed by one or more separate psychotic episodes, which are characterized by severe mental disturbances and distorted perceptions of reality. Physicians examining this set of behaviors first attempt to exclude disorders of mood that respond to antidepressants, such as manic depression (http://health.enotes.com/neurological-disorders-encyclopedia/depression). Sometimes schizophrenia is diagnosed through the patient's response to different therapeutic regimens. Schizophrenic symptoms are not affected by antidepressants, but rather are alleviated by antipsychotics.
Once other disorders have been excluded, the criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia is that a patient be continuously ill for at least six months, and that there be one psychotic phase followed by one residual phase of odd behavior. During the psychotic phase, one or more of three groups of psychotic symptoms must be present. The three groups are bizarre delusions, hallucinations, and a disordered or incoherent thought pattern.
Childhood-Onset Schizophrenia: An Update from the NIMH
A child's stage of development must be taken into account when considering a diagnosis of mental illness.1 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#mi_diagnosis#mi_diagnosis) Behaviors that are normal at one age may not be at another. Rarely, a healthy young child may report strange experiences—such as hearing voices—that would be considered abnormal at a later age. Clinicians look for a more persistent pattern of such behaviors. Parents may have reason for concern if a child of 7 years or older often hears voices saying derogatory things about him or her, or voices conversing with one another, talks to himself or herself, stares at scary things—snakes, spiders, shadows—that are not really there, and shows no interest in friendships. Such behaviors could be signs of schizophrenia (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/schizophreniamenu.cfm), a chronic and disabling form of mental illness.2 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#form_mi#form_mi)
Fortunately, schizophrenia is rare in children.3 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#rate_children#rate_children) The average age of onset is 18 in men and 25 in women. Ranking among the top 10 causes of disability worldwide,4 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#cause_disability#cause_disability) schizophrenia, at any age, exacts a heavy toll on patients and their families. Children with schizophrenia experience difficulty in managing everyday life. They share with their adult counterparts psychotic symptoms (hallucinations, delusions), social withdrawal, flattened emotions, increased risk of suicide and loss of social and personal care skills. They may also share some symptoms with—and be mistaken for—children who suffer from autism or other pervasive developmental disabilities, which affect about 1 in 500 children. Although they tend to be harder to treat and have a worse prognosis than adult-onset schizophrenia patients, researchers are finding that many children with schizophrenia can be helped by the new generation of antipsychotic medications.5 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#antipsychotic_medications#antipsycho tic_medications)
Symptoms and Diagnosis
While schizophrenia sometimes begins as an acute psychotic episode in young adults, it emerges gradually in children, often preceded by developmental disturbances, such as lags in motor and speech/language development. Such problems tend to be associated with more pronounced brain abnormalities. The diagnostic criteria are the same as for adults, except that symptoms appear prior to age 12, instead of in the late teens or early 20s.6 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#neuropsychological_features#neuropsy chological_features) Children with schizophrenia often see or hear things that do not really exist, and harbor paranoid and bizarre beliefs. For example, they may think people are plotting against them or can read their minds. Other symptoms of the disorder include problems paying attention, impaired memory and reasoning, speech impairments, inappropriate or flattened expression of emotion, poor social skills, and depressed mood. Such children may laugh at a sad event, make poor eye contact, and show little body language or facial expression.
Misdiagnosis of schizophrenia in children is all too common. It is distinguished from autism by the persistence of hallucinations and delusions for at least 6 months, and a later age of onset—7 years or older. Autism is usually diagnosed by age 3.7 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#autism#autism) Schizophrenia is also distinguished from a type of brief psychosis sometimes seen in affective, personality, and dissociative disorders in children. Adolescents with bipolar disorder sometimes have acute onset of manic episodes that may be mistaken for schizophrenia. Children who have been victims of abuse may sometimes claim to hear voices of—or see visions of—the abuser. Symptoms of schizophrenia characteristically pervade the child's life, and are not limited to just certain situations, such as at school. If children show any interest in friendships, even if they fail at maintaining them, it is unlikely that they have schizophrenia.
Treatment
Treatments that help young patients manage their illness have improved significantly in recent decades. As in adults, antipsychotic medications are especially helpful in reducing hallucinations and delusions. The newer generation "atypical" antipsychotics, such as olanzapine and clozapine, may also help improve motivation and emotional expressiveness in some patients. They also have a lower likelihood of producing disorders of movement, including tardive dyskinesia, than the other antipsychotic drugs such as haloperidol. However, even with these newer medications, there are side effects, including excess weight gain that can increase risk of other health problems. The NIMH is conducting research studies to improve treatments (www.clinicaltrials.gov (http://javascript<b></b><img%20src="images/smilies/tongue.gif"%20border="0"%20alt=""%20title="Stick%2 0Out%20Tongue"%20smilieid="5"%20class="inlineimg"% 20/>opWindow('http://www.clinicaltrials.gov'))). Children with schizophrenia and their families can also benefit from supportive counseling, psychotherapies, and social skills training aimed at helping them cope with the illness. They likely require special education and/or other accommodations to succeed in the classroom.
Causes
Although it is unclear whether schizophrenia has a single or multiple underlying causes, evidence suggests that it is a neurodevelopmental disease likely involving a genetic predisposition, a prenatal insult to the developing brain, and stressful life events. The role of genetics has long been established; the risk of schizophrenia rises from 1 percent with no family history of the illness, to 10 percent if a first degree relative has it, to 50 percent if an identical twin has it. Prenatal insults may include viral infections, such as maternal influenza in the second trimester, starvation, lack of oxygen at birth, and untreated blood type incompatibility. Studies find that children share with adults many of the same abnormal brain structural, physiological, and neuropsychological features associated with schizophrenia.6 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#neuropsychological_features#neuropsy chological_features) The children seem to have more severe cases than adults, with more pronounced neurological abnormalities. This makes childhood-onset schizophrenia potentially one of the clearest windows available for research into a still obscure illness process.
For example, unlike most adult-onset patients, children who become psychotic prior to puberty show conspicuous evidence of progressively abnormal brain development. In the first longitudinal brain imaging study of adolescents,8 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#imaging_study#imaging_study) magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans revealed fluid filled cavities in the middle of the brain enlarging abnormally between ages 14 and 18 in teens with early-onset schizophrenia, suggesting a shrinkage in brain tissue volume.9 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#shrinkage_brain#shrinkage_brain) These children lost four times as much gray matter, neurons and their branchlike extensions, in their frontal lobes as normally occurs in teens (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/teenbrain.cfm). This gray matter loss engulfs the brain in a progressive wave from back to front over 5 years, beginning in rear structures involved in attention and perception, eventually spreading to frontal areas responsible for organizing, planning, and other "executive" functions impaired in schizophrenia.10 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#executive_functions#executive_functi ons) Since losses in the rear areas are influenced mostly by environmental factors, the researchers suggest that some non-genetic trigger contributes to the onset and initial progression of the illness. The final loss pattern is consistent with that seen in adult schizophrenia. Adult-onset patients' brains may have undergone similar changes when they were teens that went unnoticed because symptoms had not yet emerged, suggest the researchers.
In addition to studies of brain structural abnormalities, researchers are also examining a group of measures associated with genetic risk for schizophrenia. Early-onset cases of illness have recently proven crucial in the discovery of genes linked to other genetically complex disorders like breast cancer, Alzheimer's, and Crohn's diseases.3 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#rate_children#rate_children) Hence, children with schizophrenia and their families may play an important role in deciphering schizophrenia's molecular roots. Evidence suggests that the rate of genetically-linked abnormalities is twice as high in children as in adults with the illness. Similarly, schizophrenia spectrum disorders, thought to be genetically related to schizophrenia, are about twice as prevalent among first-degree relatives of childhood-onset patients. In one recent study, a third of the families of individuals with childhood onset schizophrenia had at least one first-degree relative with a diagnosis of schizophrenia, or schizotypal or paranoid personality disorder.11 (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/schizkids.cfm#paranoid_disorder#paranoid_disorder) This profile of psychiatric illness is remarkably similar to that seen in parents of adult-onset patients, adding to the likelihood that both forms share common genetic roots. Other anomalies associated with adult schizophrenia, such as abnormal eye movements, are also more common in families of children with the illness.
Families of children with schizophrenia who are interested in participating in research are encouraged to fill out the NIMH Childhood-Onset Schizophrenia Survey (http://javascript<b></b><img%20src="images/smilies/tongue.gif"%20border="0"%20alt=""%20title="Stick%2 0Out%20Tongue"%20smilieid="5"%20class="inlineimg"% 20/>opWindow('http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/chp/cos/index.html')), to help determine eligibility for studies.
Maggie Sugar
08-07-2006, 05:18 PM
the rest
For More Information
Schizophrenia Information and Organizations from NLM's MedlinePlus (en Español)
References
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2NIMH Schizophrenia publications.
3Nicolson R, Rapoport JL. Childhood onset schizophrenia: rare but worth studying. Biological Psychiatry, 1999; 46: 1418-28.
4World Health Organization. The World health report 2001—mental health: new understanding, new hope. Geneva: World Health Organization, 2001.
5 American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Practice parameters for the assessment and treatment of children and adolescents with schizophrenia. Journal of the AmericanAcademy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 1997; 36(10): 177S-93S.
6Rapoport JL. Childhood onset of "adult" pathology: clinical and research advances. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Press, Inc., 2000.
7AmericanAcademy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Practice parameters for the assessment and treatment of children, adolescents and adults with autism and other pervasive developmental disorders. Journal of the AmericanAcademy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 1999; 38(12): 32S-54S.
8Giedd JN, Blumenthal J, Jeffries NO, Castellanos FX, Liu H, Zijdenbos A, Paus T, Evans AC, Rapoport JL. Brain development during childhood and adolescence: a longitudinal MRI study. Nature Neuroscience, 1999; 2(10): 861-3.
9Rapoport JL, Giedd JN, Blumenthal J, Hamburger S, Jeffries N, Fernandez T, Nicolson R, Bedwell J, Lenane M, Zijdenbos A, Paus T, Evans A. Progressive cortical change during adolescence in childhood-onset schizophrenia: a longitudinal magnetic resonance imaging study. Archives of General Psychiatry, 1999; 56(7): 649-54.
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Schizophrenia
What is schizophrenia?
Schizophrenia is a devastating brain disorder that affects approximately 2.2 million American adults, or 1.1 percent of the population age 18 and older. Schizophrenia interferes with a person's ability to think clearly, to distinguish reality from fantasy, to manage emotions, make decisions, and relate to others. The first signs of schizophrenia typically emerge in the teenage years or early twenties. Most people with schizophrenia suffer chronically or episodically throughout their lives, and are often stigmatized by lack of public understanding about the disease. Schizophrenia is not caused by bad parenting or personal weakness. A person with schizophrenia does not have a "split personality," and almost all people with schizophrenia are not dangerous or violent towards others when they are receiving treatment. The World Health Organization has identified schizophrenia as one of the ten most debilitating diseases affecting human beings.
What are the symptoms of schizophrenia?
No one symptom positively identifies schizophrenia. All of the symptoms of this illness can also be found in other brain disorders. For example psychotic symptoms may be caused by the use of drugs, may be present in individuals with Alzheimer’s Disease, or may be characteristics of a manic episode in bipolar disorder. However, when a doctor sees the symptoms of schizophrenia and carefully asseses the history and the course of the illness over six months, he or she can almost always make a correct diagnosis.
The symptoms of schizophrenia are generally divided into three categories, including positive, disorganized and negative symptoms.
· Positive Symptoms, or "psychotic" symptoms, include delusions and hallucinations because the patient has lost touch with reality in certain important ways. "Positive" as used here does not mean "good." Rather, it refers to having overt symptoms that should not be there. Delusions cause the patient to believe that people are reading their thoughts or plotting against them, that others are secretly monitoring and threatening them, or that they can control other people's minds. Hallucinations cause people to hear or see things that are not there.
· Disorganized Symptoms include confused thinking and speech, and behavior that does not make sense. For example, people with schizophrenia sometimes have trouble communicating in coherent sentences or carrying on conversations with others; move more slowly, repeat rhythmic gestures or make movements such as walking in circles or pacing; and have difficulty making sense of everyday sights, sounds and feelings.
· Negative Symptoms include emotional flatness or lack of expression, an inability to start and follow through with activities, speech that is brief and lacks content, and a lack of pleasure or interest in life. "Negative" does not, therefore, refer to a person's attitude, but to a lack of certain characteristics that should be there.
Schizophrenia is also associated with changes in cognition. These changes affect the ability to remember and to plan for achieving goals. Also, attention and motivation are diminished. The cognitive problems of schizophrenia may be important factors in long term outcome.
Schizophrenia also affects mood. Many individuals affected with schizophrenia become depressed, and some individuals also have apparent mood swings and even bipolar-like states. When mood instability is a major feature of the illness, it is called, schizoaffective disorder, meaning that elements of schizophrenia and mood disorders are prominently displayed by the same individual. It is not clear whether schizoaffective disorder is a distinct condition or simply a subtype of schizophrenia.
What are the causes of schizophrenia?
Scientists still do not know the specific causes of schizophrenia, but research has shown that the brains of people with schizophrenia are different, as a group, from the brains of people without the illness. Like many other medical illnesses such as cancer or diabetes, schizophrenia seems to be caused by a combination of problems including genetic vulnerability and environmental factors that occur during a person's development. Recent research has identified the first genes that appear to increase risk for schizophrenia. Like cancer and diabetes, the genes only increase the chances of becoming ill, and do not cause the illness all by themselves.
How is schizophrenia treated?
While there is no cure for schizophrenia, it is a highly treatable and manageable illness. However, people may stop treatment because of medication side effects, disorganized thinking, or because they feel the medication is no longer working. People with schizophrenia who stop taking prescribed medication are at a high risk of relapse into an acute psychotic episode.
· Hospitalization. People who experience acute symptoms of schizophrenia may require intensive treatment including hospitalization. Hospitalization is necessary to treat severe delusions or hallucinations, serious suicidal thoughts, an inability to care for oneself, or severe problems with drugs or alcohol. It also is important to protect people from hurting themselves or others.
· Medication. The primary medications for schizophrenia are called antipsychotics. Antipsychotics help relieve the positive symptoms of schizophrenia by helping to correct an imbalance in the chemicals that enable brain cells to communicate with each other. As with drug treatments for other physical illnesses, many patients with severe mental illnesses may need to try several different antipsychotic medications before they find the one, or the combination of medications, that works best for them.
· Conventional Antipsychotics were introduced in the 1950's and all had similar ability to relieve the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. Most of these older "conventional" antipsychotics differed in the side effects they produced. These conventional antipsychotics include chlorpromazine (Thorazine), fluphenazine (Prolixin), haloperidol (Haldol), thiothixene (Navane), trifluoperazine (Stelazine), perphenazine (Trilafon), and thioridazine (Mellaril).
· New "Atypical" Antipsychotics. In the last decade new "atypical" antipsychotics have been introduced. Compared to the older "conventional" antipsychotics these medications appear to be at least equally effective for helping reduce the positive symptoms like hallucinations and delusions - but may be better than the older medications at relieving the negative symptoms of the illness, such as withdrawal, thinking problems, and lack of energy. The atypical antipsychotics include risperidone (Risperdal), clozapine (Clozaril), olanzapine (Zyprexa), quetiapine (Seroquel), and ziprasidone (Geodon).
· Current treatment guidelines recommend using one of the atypical antipsychotics other than clozapine as a first line treatment option for newly diagnosed patients. However, for people already taking a conventional antipsychotic medication that is working well, a change to an atypical may not be the best option. People thinking of changing their medication should always consult with their doctor and work together to develop the most safe and effective treatment plan possible.
· Psychosocial Rehabilitation. Research shows that people with schizophrenia who attend structured psychosocial rehabilitation programs and continue with their medical treatment manage their illness best. One of the most effective psychosocial approaches for the most severely ill or those with both mental illness and substance abuse, is the Program for Assertive Community Treatment (PACT), an intensive team effort in local communities to help people stay out of the hospital and live independently. Available 24-hours a day, seven-days a week, PACT professionals meet their clients where they live, providing at-home support at whatever level is needed. Professionals work with clients to address problems effectively, to make sure medications are being properly taken, and to meet the routine daily challenges of life, such as grocery shopping and managing money.
· PACT programs are statewide in four states and growing in another 20 states. PACT is significantly reducing hospital admissions, and improving functioning and the quality of life for people with schizophrenia.
Grapefruity
08-09-2006, 05:06 PM
schizophrenics dont see people...
in the movie it was just a way to illustrate his illness better
is it sure a mental illness...a very bad one...one of the worst...go talk with a schizophrenic who doesnt have much insight youll see what I mean. Some are fuckin nutcases, serious shit...Fortunaetly you still hear some say *im not crazy man, im just schizo*
It is also degenerative, if you dont do anythin about it it gets worst
john nash did great though still managed to get the nobel prize
Maggie Sugar
08-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Actually, one can hallucinate anything. A lot of people with psychosis talk to people who aren't there. And think they are there. Most schizophrenic hallunications are auditory, though. The people often hear voices.
Yes, it does get worse without treatment, but it gets worse with treatment as well. Just not as fast. AFAIK, the drugs used in treatment don't do much to prevent the eventual degeneration of the brain. It is really a horrible illness.
It is quite possible that John Nash was misdiagnosed.
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