The promotion of vegetarianism.

[Bilby]

Iron deficiency is common among veg*ns and so these people get a craving for chocolate. Most chocolate _ at least the downmarket range - is in the hands of big business. Could it be that chocolate companies form a cartel to promote vegetaianism in order to to sell more chocolate?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

im a vegetarian and i barely eat chocolate...so no.

[sun-shine]

I'm a vegetarian and I have had a problem with my iron levels, however, I don't eat much chocolate... I actually don't really like the stuff.

[Ironcore]

Milk chocolate hurts cows.

[Pressed_Rat]

I am far less worried about the chocolate companies than I am the pharmaceutical cartels who push their poison for ailments that don't even exist.

[Child of Nature]

Iron deficiency is common among veg*ns and so these people get a craving for chocolate. Most chocolate _ at least the downmarket range - is in the hands of big business. Could it be that chocolate companies form a cartel to promote vegetaianism in order to to sell more chocolate?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Seriously, it's in the top ten. You're worried about the fucking chocolate companies? Goddammit...

[Blakkout]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Seriously, it's in the top ten. You're worried about the fucking chocolate companies? Goddammit...
hahahaha

[Bilby]

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Seriously, it's in the top ten. You're worried about the fucking chocolate companies? Goddammit...
OK give me the other nine. This is a conspiricy forum, so no proof is required for you anyone's ideas. Is it more stupid that The Weekly World News?

[Bilby]

Seriously, it's in the top ten. You mean it is in the bottom ten.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Rat how do you feel about vegetarianism as a whole?

[Pressed_Rat]

Rat how do you feel about vegetarianism as a whole?I think it's great. I wish I could be a vegetarian or vegan because it's so much healthier, but I like meat too much. It's one of my vices. I only buy organic at the store, even though it costs an arm and a leg. But I pretty much consume meat on a daily basis.

The only bad thing about vegetarianism is that it's easy to develop deficinces if you don't really keep track of what you're eating. Another thing is that tofu/soy is a staple food among many vegetarians, and in men it causes elevated estrogen levels. Today there are tons of processed foods on the shelves that are loaded with soy, among other things. Here (http://www.senselessplanet.com/soyhomo.htm) is a great article concerning soy.

Like all things, there are pros and cons with vegetarianism, but I feel the pros far outweigh the cons. If everyone became a vegetarian, most of the ailments that afflict Americans in large numbers, such as obesity and diabetes, would be all but eliminated.

[stratface]

dude, people aren't eating chocolate because of iron defienciancy. people are eating chocolate because it tastes good. no conspiracy there.

[dangermoose]

Here (http://www.senselessplanet.com/soyhomo.htm) is a great article concerning soy.

Like all things, there are pros and cons with vegetarianism, but I feel the pros far outweigh the cons. If everyone became a vegetarian, most of the ailments that afflict Americans in large numbers, such as obesity and diabetes, would be all but eliminated.
i'd hardly consider that a great article, the author is going to have to do a lot more than that to convince me of anything, im not sayind the FDA isnt bought and paid for but you can't make ten points from a single refrence each and say that all differing opinions comes from people who have been bribed.

as far as the chocolate thing is concerned, if there is any consipracy in the chocolate industry is the complete desolation of the coa coa producing nations economies that keep chocolate prices so artifically low, allowing candy bar companies to be a staple of american diet instead of a highly expense once and a while import.

[Pressed_Rat]

i'd hardly consider that a great article, the author is going to have to do a lot more than that to convince me of anything, im not sayind the FDA isnt bought and paid for but you can't make ten points from a single refrence each and say that all differing opinions comes from people who have been bribed.Did you read everything on that page I provided? It was actually several articles by several authors. I assume that people are capable of doing their own research. The fact is, eating soy increases estrogen levels in males. This is well documented now.

Not to mention, most soy is now genetically modified.

[paq]

i didnt eat meat for two weeks in feb 2006 and i became iron deficient. animals are meant to be loved then consumed but our population has more hate than love so when those people are filtered out through time the process will be loving.

[Josh_the_Small]

Ahahahaha, Bilby you're wonderful. I'm starting to think there's a conspiracy behind the promotion of telephones, and the promotion of booze, and the promotion of exercise, and the promotion of employment. My god, some people just do things because they want to.
For those of you that found this a stupid conspiracy theory, maybe you missed The promotion of meat eating and dairy consumption (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178891&page=1&pp=10).

[Bilby]

OK so most posters seem to disagree with me but you might like to watch the Star Trek episode "The Man Trap" that shows how the body deprived of a nutrient can control the mind.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

"Bilby you're wonderful. I'm starting to think there's a conspiracy behind the promotion of telephones, and the promotion of booze"\\Actually there sort of is a conspiracy with the promotion of booze, i love to get hammered just as much as the next person but it seems to me that they put a liquor store on every poor street corner to keep people stupid and drunk all day and to stop them from ever becoming someone and making a change in the world. If the poor masses in this country all joined together and revolted they could overthrow the entire government...so the government keeps them drunk and on crack (yes if you didn't know already...the CIA brings in the drugs folks...) to stop them from dissenting.

[jonjan]

i've heard from a lot of veg*ans, and some of 'them' do like chocolate, but not any more than non-veg*ans.


i'm vegan and i like some chocolate, but really a vegan diet gets me adjusted to more fresh alive foods, and chocolate is less appealing since i've been vegan.

and if somebody was iron deficient, i don't think they'd think of chocolate as being the first solution ?


here's some solid references on the health aspects of a plant-based diet
http://www.helpusall.com/foodandhealth.html

[brandydawn]

Unfortunately, too many people who follow a vegan/vegetarian diet either aren't well enough informed, or not prepared to follow the amount of "work" needed for good health. It's not as easy as many assume to have a nutritionally sound diet based upon vego principles. Non vegetarians have a hard enough time ensuring they follow a good, healthy eating plan. When your body is receiving all its required nutrients etc. it will not really crave anything. And I do think too often people adopt a vego diet for wrong reasons - how many vegos do you know that will happily wear a pair of leather shoes? Now, before you vegos' jump down my throat, I'd like to say I totally support this form of nutritional lifestyle, I do not however raise my kids as vegos'. The nutritional demands are just too strict for many adults' - let alone kids. With reference to the initial post in this thread, I will always be skeptical toward large "money focussed" companies - who knows what sort of underhanded tactics a company will use in order to gain dollars - just look at the pet food industry.

[honeyhannah]

I've never liked chocolate much at all, my bf has always been a chocaholic and he eats raw cacao nibs, grounds them makes chocolate pudding, fudge, cookies with chocolate, smoothies, etc.

There's plenty of ways to get iron in a vegetarian diet, I've had mine checked and not iron deficient, nor in protein or anything. On soy, most of it is g.m.o it's not difficult to find soy that is not thought, because lots of people have voiced their concerns.

But I think if anything is a conspiracy concerning a vegetarian diet, it is soy consumption. I rarely eat soy, when I first started I did, now very rarely, it's not necessary. It's easy to keep up with a vegetarian diet if you start out very careful/dedicated, eventually it will become habit you wont' have to think to much about waht you need to eat. Some people eat soy all day and all night, it's not really that good for you, really it's not. It's not the worst thing you could eat, but it's not the food of all foods.

Vegan food pyramid is absolute bullshit and that it's sooo difficult to be a vegan is the true conspiracy.

[brandydawn]

It most definitely is difficult to be a healthy vego, unless you are firstly, very aware of what you are doing, and secondly very commited. Like anything, good food practices are habitatual - the more you do it - the better you become at it - provided you have had the correct starting basis. Ask any true longterm vego - not the "trendy" late teen early twenties age group of vegos, and they will tell you that being a "happy and healthy" vegetarian requires consistent work, in order to keep meals both appetising and nutritional. Nobody enjoys eating the same foods, prepared in only a handful of ways year after year - vego of not. It is foolish to beleive otherwise.

[brandydawn]

Depression is very common to young people who follow a vegetarian diets.

[honeyhannah]

depression was a major reason I became vegetarian in the first place

[brandydawn]

depression was a major reason I became vegetarian in the first place
As a dietician, I find that ridiculous. I would never encourage a patient to take up a vego diet for those reasons. I do most definitely suggest a diet that includes more fruit, vegetables and seafood.

In my experience of dealing with people suffering from depression (and both my husband and sister do), encouraging a "simplistic", wholesome diet is far more helpful than encouraging a diet which takes a certain degree of "work". The day to day functioning of simple tasks if one of the hardest things for so many depression suffers.

But, each to their own - thus the enjoyment of forums.

[italianhippie750]

this thread is a joke... right?

[MikeE]

That's what They want you to think.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

ha it is kinda funny how this joke threat turned into a real discussion.

[Art Delfo]

I am far less worried about the chocolate companies than I am the pharmaceutical cartels who push their poison for ailments that don't even exist.like restless leg syndrome?