Path of the Green Man

[Duncan]

I'm reading a book on paganism and Wicca by Michael Thomas Ford. The book is subtitled Gay Men, Wicca, and Living a Magical Life.
Has anyone here tried living a magical life?

[txbarefooter]

I wish I did because I'd turn fred phelps into a newt and jerry falwell into a toad. :)

that sounds like an interesting book. I'll have to check Barnes and Nobel out and see if they carry it. A girl that lived in the next apartment over was a Wiccan. We went to the Texas Renaissance Festival together several times. www.texrenfest.com (http://www.texrenfest.com/)

There were also a group of guys that lived in the same complex that roll-played vampires. not sure about how they went about things, but there were groups of "vampires" all over the US and world that played this.

[mushie18]

I don't really believe in "magic", but if that's what you do, then do it.

[Duncan]

I don't really believe in "magic", but if that's what you do, then do it.And I don't really believe in "gravity", but if schools insist on teaching it to pupils and students so be it.

[Ryvr]

I did try ... I found some value and connection with the Earth in this spirituality.
However, these days, I'm getting more value from what the Buddha and H.H. the Dalai Lama have to say than Gerald Gardner.

[SageDreamer]

My spirituality is a mix of paganism and other things. It's all been evolving, so I'm reluctant to put a label on it or to take grief from other people about it.

[HonorSeed]

I have no problem wiht others' unique beliefs as long as they show in their actions, it is the two faced people I have a problem with..........I mean genuis is genius.

Happy Fourth Duncan

Honor

[Samhain]

Yes many people know that I am a witch, how do we feel being LGBT and paganism, magic go together?
S

[happyonehit420]

I practice paganism, along with most of my family, and I'm gay. I don't really see a difference between a straight person and a gay person practicing any kind of religion. They can go together just as easily as it would with a straight person......

[Samhain]

I practice paganism, along with most of my family, and I'm gay. I don't really see a difference between a straight person and a gay person practicing any kind of religion. They can go together just as easily as it would with a straight person......
the problem is some pagans feel that the religion is about the sacred union between god and goddess and that the nature is feminine and masculine and (the following is not my view) that same sex sexuality ethier just doesn't go with it or is an insult too it.
my feeling is that it balances out over all, where there may be a couple that is more masculine based there will be a couple that is more feminine based, which is true in all relationships not just same sex ones
S

[Samhain]

Interesting article concerning the struggle many gay pagans have

Modern Queer Mythology: The Divine Twins

Author: Rain Bird


Modern Wicca focuses its worship on the Goddess. She was the first deity in our mythology. She created all things. Life begins, ends and begins again within Her womb. It is said, out of Love, she gave birth to her son and lover the Horned God. Through the mytho-poetic tradition of modern Witchcraft we follow the life cycles of the Goddess and her Consort. Each season and Sabbat reflects a different facet of their interaction.

The tradition of the Goddess and God form a divine union of opposites. Male and Female energies give rise to a dualistic perspective of the universe. The energies become polarized into masculine and feminine or active and passive. This tension is what keeps the world turning and moving through its cycles. This polarity founds the basic principles of the Great Rite. Lunar and solar energies find their ultimate expression in the chalice and the blade.

Now as a Pagan, I find this story moving. As a gay man, I find it disconcerting. I realize this outward expression (Goddess and God) is found within me. We all have male and female energies within us. Learning how to work with them and express them is important. A balance of these energies leads to an integrated life. As above, so below. The macrocosm is found within the microcosm.

With all of this in mind, I am told that I should be satisfied. Yes, I do realize that the fertility nature of our Nature religion speaks of spiritual fertility as well. I am aware that in sex magick, male and female can be read as active (penetrating) and passive (penetrated). Now, there is growing canon of information out there for same sex couples to explore. Yet, I still find that this is not enough.

What is a gay man to do next on his spiritual journey? In my own questing, it was advised that I seek out the Queer Ones. I read through the mythologies and ideas of many cultures to learn more about queer identified deities and heroes. I learned much about other concepts of gender and same sex love. It turned out that many of these ideas are radically different than those of modern day America. I began to let the stories plant their seeds inside of me.

In all of my seeking I could not escape the otherness about myself and the Queer Ones. They seemed removed from the central idea of the Goddess and God. I felt separate from the cultures I read about. Even when I discovered information useful to my own practices, I realized that I was still not completely a "part of" those myths. I am still a white boy of mixed European descent in modern day America. My own identification as gay or homosexual is a much different creature than the concepts put forth in other times and places. I can identify with the idea of same sex lovers being a part of my tribe. These tribal brothers are my ancestors. What I was seeking and hoping for were peers or contemporaries.

What am I saying here? I am not saying that I need other gay male Pagans to practice with, necessarily. I have worked magick and ritual with many gay Pagans. I have spoken to and shared ideas with quite a few gay men about spirituality. At the heart of my desires was a need to see the Divine with a new face. In search of the Queer Mysteries I wanted to find a story at the heart of creation. Instead of being outside the concepts of Goddess and God, I was hoping to find Queer Ones at the beginning of things. The concepts of the Goddess and her Consort did not reflect my experience as a gay man seeking love from another male.

All of the stories and concepts of other eras and peoples began to come together for me. I followed the shoots of these seeds to the center of my own garden. In my heart of hearts, I let the sun, rain and earth nurture this growth. I meditated and prayed. I whispered to them and listened to what was being said. Most importantly, I waited. A new story came together for me. At the beginning of everything, I found the Charge of the Goddess to be true. I discovered what I had been searching for outwardly, within myself.

Now I want to make clear that this concept is not original with me. It is merely my perspective. This is my own telling of a story that was here long ago and will remain long after me.
In the Beginning was the Great Mother. The Goddess WAS. Out of the void and chaos She created form and order. It was She who set light from dark. She breathed nothingness into substance. She divided substance into the four elements: earth, air, fire and water.

As She was the creator of all things, She was a part of all things. Spirit, the fifth element, was the Goddess.

Out of LOVE She desired companionship. Her womb became full. She gave birth to LOVE in the form of twins. Two males were the product of her Desire and Will. One was the Red Man and the other the Green Man. They were and are the Divine Twins. The Red Man and Green Man were a part of the Goddess and She was a part of them.

The Twins were constant companions to one another. They moved over the water, upon the earth and through the air. Upon embracing one another they discovered the joy to be found in each other's bodies. From embrace to kiss, they set their Will and Desire upon one another. Love had found Love with its own kind for the first time.

From their caresses and lovemaking the Divine Twin's semen was spilled out across the Waters. Where the Red Man's semen fell all manner of fish and every creature that moved through the water came into being. Where the Green Man's semen fell, all algae and seaweed, every aquatic plant began to grow.

From their caresses and lovemaking the Divine Twin's semen was spilled out upon the Earth. Where the Red Man's semen fell all manner of animal life sprang up. Where the Green Man's semen fell, all types of plants, trees and shrubs burst forth from the earth.

From their caresses and lovemaking the Divine Twin's semen was spilled out through the air. Where the Red Man's semen fell every winged thing began to fly; bird and insect and bat. Where the Green Man's semen fell, all spores and pollen came into being. They transmitted life to the other green things of the world.

In the Histories of humankind, the Red Man became the Lord of the Animals and Lord of the Hunt. The Green Man retained his name and gained many more. The Divine Twins always remain together in their own cycle even to this day. Animal feeds upon the living world of Plants. The Animal dies and the Plants feed upon the Animal. As it was. As it is. As it will be.
How you take this story and apply it is up to you. In my own practices the Red Man's tool is a bone or blade. I personally like antlers. The Green Man is always represented for me in a wand of wood. The Great Rite is the striking of the Wand and Antler together three times. Once for the Waters. Once for the Earth. Once for the Air. Creation comes forth at the touch of the Divine Twins.

At other times for me, the Red Man is Lord of the Hunt and the Green Man is the Lord of Agriculture. These two things have sustained humankind throughout history. The Lord of the Hunt can be seen as the Lord of Herding or Animal Husbandry as well. In these workings I have noticed how easily the wood of the wand can become an arrow or spear. Just as easily the antler or blade can become a shovel, hoe or plow. Red Man and Green Man lend their powers to one another. The Divine Twins are always mixing it up and getting it on in new ways. Explore it and see what you can come up with.

This is my telling of their story. It is my own perspective on the Myth of the Divine Twins. It is my hope that this parable helps other gay men identify within Wicca. We do have a place at the beginning after all. May our Gardens continue to grow!

[coco]

All queers need to take a reality check. YOU WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO ADOPT KIDS IN THE UK! Capiche??
It is sick that you think it is ok to stick your di*k up another man's ass. Homophobia is a term invented by queers for right minded, clean living people, when they refuse to accept that homosexuality has a place in society. It is wrong, dysfunctional, and sick. I believe that all queers, and that is what you are, need to have treatment for their condition. You are not born gay - it is a sickness you develop in your teens when the brain gets confused and issues the wrong signals, during the transformation from childhood to adulthood.

Homosexuality needs to be stamped out. It does does not have any place in a christian society. If you feel your rights are oppressed because of this, then you need to leave the UK and go live in San Francisco, where you can get stoned and fudgepack all you want. Remember - IT IS NOT OK TO STICK YOUR DIC* UP A MANS ASS! PERIOD!

[ImagionPeace]

yes. i myself am i pagan.

[pollolittle]

i need help. im new to this forum and other things... my email is merriman_shane@yahoo.com please i need guidance.. thanks

[pollolittle]

I dont know about magical life... maybe moments?

[OleFlowerMan]

And I don't really believe in "gravity", but if schools insist on teaching it to pupils and students so be it.

Aaaah I love burned out medical worker humor.

I live a magical life.

Would you like to to start practicing your own special Duncan Magic ?

PM me if your interested

Peace&Love

Paulo OFM

[Geomancy]

I've been a practicing Pagan for almost 20 years!

[Xhansonloverx]

I'm Wiccan. About two years ago I told my parents I was studying it and was wanting to be apart of it and they let me.

[LJDV]

I used to practice magick, but I just kind of...faded out of that phase. I still think about it a lot, but don't really act on any of those thoughts. I think if you believe anything strongly enough, it becomes true for you, and possibly the people around you too.

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I'm reading a book on paganism and Wicca by Michael Thomas Ford. The book is subtitled Gay Men, Wicca, and Living a Magical Life.
Has anyone here tried living a magical life?

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