Finding a reliable research chemical supplier

[EllisDTripp]

Because of the recent controversy about not posting supplier links or names here, and several PMs looking for advice on how to find a reliable source for research chemicals, I decided to put this post together to address the problem of obtaining chemicals for research use, while maintaining a low profile, and not contributing to either the DEA's jihad OR the fast-buck artists who seek to cash in on the RC market.

The first step to purchasing what you want would be to enter its FULL CHEMICAL NAME into a search engine, and see what comes back. Then eliminate any suppliers with company names that include terms like "high" "buzz" or "trips" right off the bat. Other terms to avoid would be "legal", "shaman", "rave", or anything else that is too reminiscent of the drug culture. You are buying RESEARCH CHEMICALS, not drugs, after all.

Next, click on the link, and have a look at the site. If you see flashing skull .gifs, lots of "l33t sp33k", or any references to illegal drugs at all, you probably want to go elsewhere. :) The sites you want will look like a CHEMICAL CATALOG, not a promo site for a garage band! Misspellings or other typos all over the site (especially chemical names) should raise suspicions, as well.

Next, have a look at the supplier's product offerings. If their product list consists SOLELY of compounds with well-known recreational uses, go elsewhere. Sites like this are increasingly under surveillance, and exist only to cash in on the rising interest in these compounds. If they also offer traditional "headshop" products, or stuff like pocket scales, tiny baggies and empty gelcaps, run away! :)

What you want is a supplier of a broad range of chemicals, including various substituted tryptamines and phenethylamines. A company that offers custom organic synthesis or has a hotline to put you in touch with a staff chemist to help with your research or production questions is a good sign. Run a WHOIS check on the site, and be on the lookout for site ownership that traces to Virginia or the DC area (FedLand). Look at their payment options, with an eye towards things like accepting company checks or corporate purchase orders. Look for a VALID postal address (check it). While you will most likely be paying via credit card, the fact that they accept "traditional" payment methods adds legitimacy. Be wary of sites that insist on PayPal or Western Union, as this SCREAMS "scam site".

When placing an order, DO NOT make any reference to "dosage", "effects", PIHKAL/TIHKAL, or any other indication that you are planning on doing anything illegal with your purchase. Request a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for everything you order. A legit seller will know exactly what these are, and will gladly include them (as required by law). Including a couple of cheap, boring laboratory reagents in your order helps you look like something OTHER than a person looking to score drugs.

Legit chem dealers will NOT ship to a PO box, so you will need a valid address. And make sure the credit card you use is in YOUR NAME.

That's about all I can tell you about ordering chemicals. Common sense goes a LONG way here. If something feels "sketchy" about a supplier, it probably is! Finally, once you find a good supplier, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Spreading the name around to people who might not be as careful or responsible as you are is a good way to ruin a good source for everybody. And plastering it all over drug-related BB sites will tip off the LEOs faster than anything. Sites like this one are being watched, people! :(

For more information on how to buy suspicious chemicals while "flying below radar", I recommend the book "Sources" by "Strike", and "The Construction and Operation of Clandestine Drug Laboratories" by "Jack B. Nimble", as well as the following pages:

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/buychem.igor.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/eleusis/zwit.chembuy.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/popeye/popeye.zwit.txt

These sites primarily deal with purchases of precursor chemicals for manufacturing illegal drugs, but there is a lot of wisdom in there which applies to purchasing ANYTHING of a "grey area" nature.

[pinocchio]

If I pm the name of a supplier to someone, I hope they will be careful and responsible when ordering. I wasted a few dollars before I found 3 good suppliers. I'd hate to see someone else not be careful when they order from them.

I think sites like overgrow and the shroomery are being watched just a tad bit more closely than this one, too.

:)

I would advise people not to abuse suppliers of whom I refer you to in pm's.

[Dallas-321]

Very sound advice.

[twoseeeyes]

Legit sites usually will have a disclaimer. That is not a sure sign, but it's up to you to take the gamble. Also just ask any RC user here to verify autencity.

[pinocchio]

...I decided to put this post together to address...obtaining chemicals...while maintaining a low profile, and not contributing to...the DEA's jihad...I'm very sorry but could someone please tell me how would we be contributing to the dea's jihad and what is their jihad?

[Lodui]

I swear, I just think 5-MEO-DMT makes an excellent drain cleaner ;)

[AreYouExperienced]

Excellent info Ellis, thanks for that.

[EllisDTripp]

I'm very sorry but could someone please tell me how would we be contributing to the dea's jihad

By either publicizing suppliers doing business in a responsible, low profile manner (helping make them a target for busts), or falling victim to any of the various law-enforcement scams, sting operations, or front companies.

and what is their jihad?

The "War on Drugs".

[wizbummer]

Good info. Didn't even think to search for the actual chemical name. I don't know much about labwork or chemistry, so what kind of boring reagents would be most low-key?

I'm looking into a few companies right now, but if anyone would be kind enough to PM me with info on a company that still has good prices on 2c-xyz, it would me much appreciated! :)

[EllisDTripp]

I don't know much about labwork or chemistry, so what kind of boring reagents would be most low-key?

Basically, anything that is commonly used in a lab, isn't on any watch lists, and isn't useful as a drug in it's own right (like diethyl ether would be).

Solvents like isopropanol, hexane, or dichloromethane are useful for extracting interesting compounds from plants, and will raise no suspicions. The same would go for common acids/bases like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, or sodium hydroxide.

A look through a high school or freshman college chemistry textbook would give you an idea of what types of compounds are commonly used for innocent science experiments.

[Jetblack]

good job ellis, very useful info every1 can use

[unconcerned]

well, the rc supplier that i used to use to obtain certain materials for laboratory use has been shut down, and i am finding it rather difficult to find an appropriate replacement. so as was stated above, if anybody does have an rc house that they could pm me, it would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
-christopher

[zombiedepot]

What about customs? Would it be unwise to look overseas?

[gnrm23]

What about customs? Would it be unwise to look overseas?

depends on if you're ordering a gram or a kilogram, maybe...

[crackforkids]

i jus want some more 2cE to experiment with. your thread is very helpful but even with all that, a lot of LEGIT suppliers are not even listed in search engines. i know of one over-seas site right now that should be legit, but they also sell aMT and TMA 2 which makes me wonder how wise it would be to give them my name? ya know if anybody can PM me a link to a RELIABLE SUPPLIER WITHIN THE U.S. i would really appritiate it.

[Poison Boyfriend]

I'm assuming any on-line suppliers operating in the U.S. right now are either scams or just bad news.

But if anyone has any good recent experience with an overseas supplier, please PM me. I'm especially looking for a new source for methylone, preferably at less than $250/gm....

I'm willing to share what overseas source experience I have (which is some) for any leads on methylone.

[GD Cat]

Would someone please PM me a name of a supplier. i only know of one so far and would like to compare prices or perhaps find a wider variety of chemicals. If anyone else wants to know the supplier i know of pm me and ill let you know. thanks.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

I hope nobody actually pm's these 1 and 2-post users with a legit supplier, or anyone for that matter. I'm sure the DEA is scrambling to stomp out the last few suppliers that they might have missed.

[Poison Boyfriend]

I'm sure the DEA is scrambling to stomp out the last few suppliers that they might have missed.
In the U.S. maybe. They have no direct authority over overseas sources and action against them would almost surely be more difficult than is politically worth it for these chemicals. I personally have no intent on purchasing anything from a U.S. based supplier, that would be stupid.

I'm no LEO, but I know nobody has any reason to believe me. So [shrug].

[HaveANiceTripp]

can someone PM me a RC supplier thats not based in the u.s. thanks

[noild]

I know I'm new, and so somebody sending me a PM with a legit RC site probably won't happen...but if somebody could, that'd be great, because I'm having absolutely no luck finding any. I don't have much experience with RC, just stuff a friend of mine used to give me, but it's been months and I can't find real drugs. I MISS 5-meo-AMT!!!! I love cough syrup and all, but I'd like something new. I've only tried 5-meo-AMT and DXM(straight chem). Also, what sites are good for general info on stuff like that? Erowid is the only place I know of and trust. I hate the DEA for ruining this right after I was introduced to these wonderful chems. I also don't want to be one of the stupid people who ruin it for everyone, so any advice to prevent me from being so would also be appreciated. Thanks!

[GD Cat]

robowalker, i might have only 3 posts but im not DEA. i was searching for chems and this site came up so i decided to post here. im a member of bluelight for many years.
so if everyone would please ignore his comments and please feel free to send me links.
thank you

[InFlames420]

finding reliable sites is hard. most are obvious scams. if someone could pm me with a good supplier I would really appreciate it. Thanks

[EllisDTripp]

A quote from the original post...

Finally, once you find a good supplier, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Spreading the name around to people who might not be as careful or responsible as you are is a good way to ruin a good source for everybody.

[noild]

So what the hell am I supposed to do when I can't find anything but sites I all ready know aren't legit, and nobody will help me out? What about a site that's based outside of the US? Anything at all would be nice. Oh well, I understand why people need to be careful, but I still hate how shit is.

[Lodui]

So what the hell am I supposed to do when I can't find anything but sites I all ready know aren't legit, and nobody will help me out? What about a site that's based outside of the US? Anything at all would be nice. Oh well, I understand why people need to be careful, but I still hate how shit is.
I pretty much assumed as soon as the hammer went down with many people would start selling RC's from abroad... the problem is they'll probably just take your skrill and laugh. What are you going to do, call the better business bureau?

Now your best hope at exotics is getting a degree in organic chemistry...

[EllisDTripp]

Now your best hope at exotics is getting a degree in organic chemistry...

Bingo!

If not a degree, at least enough knowledge to follow the instructions in PIHKAL and TIHKAL....

[Raving Sultan]

You mean bacon like to watch this forum for info?, i hope i am at least entertaining them cuz that job must suck, snooping and being a rat and all.

[DarkLunacy]

Hey Ellis, even if you get the knowlege arent most of the chemicals needed to make the final product under lock and key? Bah! I haven't found a vendor yet and I'm dying to get some 2c-E!!!!!

[EllisDTripp]

Some of them are watched chemicals, but if you learn some chemistry, you can always start with "precursors to precursors", and work your way forward.

Besides, with enough chemistry knowledge, you would be able to bullshit most suppliers sufficiently to buy a lot of watched stuff, anyway. These folks want to sell chemicals, not play cop for the feds. As long as you have a valid reason for purchase, and a valid business front (or can fake one convincingly), you can get ALMOST whatever you want...

[enquirewithin]

I would like to find legit suppliers of RCs. I can help you with one also.

[The Flow]

Ellis, I think you´ve done really a great work writing this checklist (lots of good ideas for me).
But I must state, that one of the internet traders caught by the DEA last July fulfilled almost ALL of your requirements (it was www.Am******C************y.com (Even if this company does no longer exist, I better anonymize their adress). I ordered some RCs from them only days before their business was closed (good quality either).
I´m very cautious, so I appreciate your work very much, Ellis. But if even these rules can´t prevent you (and the deliverer of your choice) any more, we might be facing a really BIG PROBLEM in the near future...

[EllisDTripp]

Ellis, I think you´ve done really a great work writing this checklist (lots of good ideas for me).
But I must state, that one of the internet traders caught by the DEA last July fulfilled almost ALL of your requirements (it was www.Am******C************y.com (Even if this company does no longer exist, I better anonymize their adress). I ordered some RCs from them only days before their business was closed (good quality either).
I´m very cautious, so I appreciate your work very much, Ellis. But if even these rules can´t prevent you (and the deliverer of your choice) any more, we might be facing a really BIG PROBLEM in the near future...

IIRC, that site's product list looked like it could have been lifted right out of PIHKAL and TIHKAL. A quote from the original post:

Next, have a look at the supplier's product offerings. If their product list consists SOLELY of compounds with well-known recreational uses, go elsewhere. Sites like this are increasingly under surveillance, and exist only to cash in on the rising interest in these compounds.

[The Flow]

O.K., Ellis, you´re right, but I originally said that they fulfilled ALMOST all of your requirements... ;-)

B.t.w., has anyone already made experiences with one (or more) of the large chemical suppliers in China. Some of them fulfill all of the requirements on Ellis` list (let´s make this a new terminus to refer to on this forum: "Ellis` list"... <grin> ).
What really confuses me: I´ve just made an order from one of these companies, located in Hongkong, but they shipped the parcel from Japan... (do they have s.th. to hide?)
I should recieve it within the next 2 days, Internet parcel tracing already shows clearance from customs (of course this was only a test order, using no scheduled substances! (I guess this is an idea, we should add to "Ellis` list")).

Anyway: hold thumbs guys, that the quality is good...

[crimsonghost]

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[EllisDTripp]

I don't see what trouble we could get in by ordering overseas it's nothing that our government can regulate if it is not happeneing in out own land.


You may not be able to get in trouble for BUYING the stuff overseas, but once you try to IMPORT chemicals into the US, you can attract the attention of customs, "Homeland Security", and other government agencies you probably want to avoid.

[fuckshitup]

great list ellis. you made some good suggestions, but i've been using your method for the past two days, and i still havent been able to find anything. i used to get stuff from www.am......c............y.com (http://www.am......c............y.com) and they had good quality stuff but, yeah, they were a really conspicuous site, and since they shut down i havent been able to find the chemicals i want anywhere. im mostly interested in 5-MeO-AMT, 2C-E, and 2C-I, and i would really appreciate it if someone could PM/IM me a reliable, under the radar, supplier. there seems to be risks involved with both ordering inside, and outside of the US, so some advice on that would also help. if anyone is cool enough to give me a good website or 2 and some advice, id REALLY appreciate it, and you have my word that i'd keep the info to myself. PLEASE, someone help me out.

[oOflyeyesOo]

You may not be able to get in trouble for BUYING the stuff overseas, but once you try to IMPORT chemicals into the US, you can attract the attention of customs, "Homeland Security", and other government agencies you probably want to avoid.
Alot of over seas companys dont have anything on the package that even says chemical or their name but just a address.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

I think I'm done with the research chem. scene for a while...but just in case someone is generous enough....


"great list ellis. you made some good suggestions, but i've been using your method for the past two days, and i still havent been able to find anything. i used to get stuff from www.am......c............y.com and they had good quality stuff but, yeah, they were a really conspicuous site, and since they shut down i havent been able to find the chemicals i want anywhere. im mostly interested in 5-MeO-AMT, 2C-E, and 2C-I, and i would really appreciate it if someone could PM/IM me a reliable, under the radar, supplier. there seems to be risks involved with both ordering inside, and outside of the US, so some advice on that would also help. if anyone is cool enough to give me a good website or 2 and some advice, id REALLY appreciate it, and you have my word that i'd keep the info to myself. PLEASE, someone help me out."



DITTO

[fuckshitup]

someone please PM me about my post.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

[EllisDTripp]

Alot of over seas companys dont have anything on the package that even says chemical or their name but just a address.

Which would be a violation of international HAZMAT shipping regs. If your package is opened by customs, and chemicals are found without proper labelling, both the company who shipped it and the recipient could be nailed for illegal transportation of hazardous materials, improper customs declarations, fraudulent paperwork, etc.

[oOflyeyesOo]

On the shipping details on the outside of the evalope, Im sure they label what it is inside the package.

[EllisDTripp]

The contents of chemical shipments must be clearly identified on the OUTSIDE of the packaging, so that the info would be readily available WITHOUT opening the package in event of a spill or other incident.

[RoBoWaLkEr]

from my experience w/one particular overseas company, they don't [label the contents]. The bag itself has the short (2CE) name on it, but that bag is inside of a cardboard insert, inside of an envelope, inside of a bigger evelope.

[oOflyeyesOo]

When I bought 2c-i a couple times it did not show the chemical name on the outside of the package.

[The Flow]

from my experience w/one particular overseas company, they don't [label the contents]. The bag itself has the short (2CE) name on it, but that bag is inside of a cardboard insert, inside of an envelope, inside of a bigger evelope.Yep, I got my material the same way (so I guess, it was the same supplier).
During the last years, I had no supplier who declared the material correctly. Some wrote "documents" on the customs declaration... ;)

A couple of years ago, I had a supplier for 2C-B in South Africa (before it became illegal there), he declared it as a medic for the treatment of male impotence (which isn´t wrong... but of course it´s not the reason why I love that stuff!). His letters were opened by customs twice - and they didn´t make any problems!!! :X

[The Flow]

When I bought 2c-i a couple times it did not show the chemical name on the outside of the package.
I guess, that´s because these companies also ship to Europe, where 2C-I is illegal in most of the countries.

[mf400]

I've just recently become both a member of this site and a discoverer of RCs. I've been searching around the internet for a while looking for sites that sell RCs, but they all seem to be shut down. Is there any way to search for overseas companies? Even legit chemical supply companies dont offer "RCs".

[robostiltzkin]

As the original post said, type the full chemical name (you can find it on erowid). You'd be surprised what some of these companies have (especially the smaller ones). Also, the far east is a good area to look (I went on yahoo china and did a search--most of the chem names are in english). it's pretty crazy what you can come up with.
hint: check out chem distributor/wholesaler lists (trade contacts). You'll be on track in no time...

[robostiltzkin]

Which would be a violation of international HAZMAT shipping regs. If your package is opened by customs, and chemicals are found without proper labelling, both the company who shipped it and the recipient could be nailed for illegal transportation of hazardous materials, improper customs declarations, fraudulent paperwork, etc.
This may be true, but I really don't think the recipient is exposed to any legal liability. By international convention, and DOT guidelines, it is the Shipper's responsibility and obligation to properly label/placard hazmats for safe shipment. The receiver cannot be held liable for the mistakes of the shipper, except under certain conditions (such as waste disposal contract, etc.) As you know hazmats are generally defined as any liquid or solid that is explosive, pressurized in cylinders, flammable, reactive, oxidizing (evolves oxygen upon decomposition), toxic, radioactive, corrosive, or noxious. It could be debated whether these substances meet any of these criteria. The lack of MSDS on these substances would make proper labelling difficult, anyway. Hopefully, for anyone ordering, this will never be an issue, and customs will keep their filthy hands off!

[EllisDTripp]

HAZMAT rules are getting downright ridiculous nowadays, and seem to be more about allowing carriers to tack on obscene "special handling" fees than reflecting any actual hazard. I recently ordered a few rolls of ordinary electrical solder from a major supplier, and was charged over $60 in "HAZMAT" fees due to the lead content! :rolleyes: From all the warning labels plastered on the box, you would think I ordered a box full of anthrax and cyanide or something....

Under most conditions, I couldn't see a recipient being held responsible for a mislabeled package. But in the case of "drugs", ANYTHING is possible. Suppliers (and buyers) have been charged for agreeing to mislabel chemical shipments on customer request (to avoid drug precursor laws, mainly), and I would ASSume that the DEA would try to claim this if they couldn't make anything else stick. The pigs simply don't play by the same rules as you or I would.

Anybody trying to import these chemicals from overseas is just begging for trouble, IMHO.

[oOflyeyesOo]

What is HAZMAT?? From what you guys are talking about lets say I order some Chemicals like 2c-i from Germany and customs found it and opened it, what could happen to me, is there a way to get around trouble just curious on this problem.

[EllisDTripp]

HAZMAT means "hazardous materials". Special shipping paperwork that needs to be filled out on almost any kind of chemicals being shipped....

[kryptnug]

i came across this site trying to find 2c-i...i have found a couple of sites in asia but dont know if they are legit...im no pig im just a regular guy who likes to travel a few times a year...my favorite vehicle has left town and now i am very sad...if anyone could pm me with a legit site or if someone wants tell me if the ones i have found are legit i would be very grateful and in your debt forever...
thanks

[robostiltzkin]

Just dig around a little. Everything suggested in the beginning of this thread is good advice. Also, try yahoo japan, yahoo china, and sites like that. Type in the full chem name (in english), you'll find what you're looking for. (also to make it easier, when you find a chem manufacturer or list of "trade leads", just type "tryptamine" or "phenethylamine". If you know what you're looking for, you'll recognize what comes up. Half the fun of these is finding them.) Believe it or not, legit chem manufacturers do sell what you may be looking for.

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[bigmeans25]

I found an overseas supplier they sound legit but just wanted to see if any of yall have heard them. PM me and give u the address just seeing if anyone has gone thrugh the yet. thanx

[oOflyeyesOo]

PM me ill verify it, im sure I know of it. Probably already know which one your thinking of.

[LSDSeeker]

For domestic suppliers, this advice seems sound, although, having followed it, I got no leads. I don't think anyone should be buying from domestic suppliers given that there are pending court cases against suppliers. It is just plain risky and stupid, regardless of how legit they may seem on the surface.

Eventually these designer drugs are going to be scheduled in the U.S., because, let's face it, while our government is dumb and inefficient, they are not that dumb: they know there is inconsistency in scheduling LSD and mescaline while letting similar chemicals be sold freely.

As long as the cases against domestic suppliers are pending, I am thinking that it shouldn't matter all that much if foreign suppliers are named. Let me explain. If these drugs are not scheduled, it is highly unlikely the government will go after those who purchase small amounts through offshore operators (it would be a terribly inefficient way to operate). It is also unlikely our government would push for a banning in another country when it has not been able to at home (again, it's about priorities).

Now, as soon as these drugs become scheduled (explicitly illegal), buying offshore or domestically will be highly risky. Then it is more likely our government would seek to work with other governments to shut down these operations completely. By then the risk of ordering offshore will be high enough that it wouldn't matter much if the U.S. government had the names, I believe. It would just not be generally advisable to break the law.

Also, it shouldn't be a surprise that the U.S. government has tried to shut down these operators and ban designer drugs. I have already mentioned why. The surprise is that they are not scheduled already, given the inconsistency of the laws.

[Trippin' Billies]

(URL deleted).... legit?

[oOflyeyesOo]

(URL deleted) .... legit?
scam

[Trippin' Billies]

really? have u bought from there?

[EllisDTripp]

That site (name now deleted) is making direct comparisons between some of their products and illegal drugs (like psilocybin). This is a direct violation of the analog drug laws. They are also offering to sell a few chemicals that have already been made illegal.

The fact that they have been getting away with this for over a year now (while many other sites have been busted) leads one to assume that they are part of a DEA operation to bust anyone trying to buy those chemicals....

[Trippin' Billies]

hm... alright, thanks for the info... but u wouldnt happen to know any sites that sell "legal" ecstcy like (the site has been deleted) has?

[EllisDTripp]

There is NO SUCH THING as "Legal Ecstacy".

As soon as a seller promotes a chemical as being such, IT BECOMES ILLEGAL!

[Trippin' Billies]

alright... sorry for being a dumbass

[Johndoe881]

I at this moment have 3 good RC adresses from which i order, i can get lmost anything except 2c-b and TMA-2

Is there anyone that is willing to trade adresses? I Live In The Netherlands.

[LSDawson]

I would be forever grateful if someone could pm me a legit source. I am looking for 2-CE or 2-CI or any others y'all suggest.
Thanks a lot kids!

peace
dawson

[RaverFuBirdie]

I have pretty much one source for various RCs not much more than that. Not to mention they are quite limited to the rarer supplies, (You know they have all those sterotypical RC sites 2Cs, vairous small tryps, and 5-MEOs) but they are absolutely expensive, not like when chems used to be fairly priced fore the DEA bust, not to mention most mainstream chem sites have doubled their prices making them just as bad since the scare. For the most part, I think the 2C series is a decent water cleaner, and trypomines are a good blinker light fluid. But the thing that catches my eye is the relatively rare DOX series chemicals, and the "new" Fly chemicals out there, I know it's silly for me even sasking for help but I thought I might try once, before I go into a longer search. Anyways, I just thought I might ask once, I know it's pretty silly for a new person on the forums to even ask for such a favor. But if you want a nice chit-chat or something about it. That's cool too, I'll still continue on my journey. Chemicals are hard to find, and understandably wanting to keep to yourself. Just thought I might ask one time. Be well you all, you'll probably hear from me sometime other than this <^^)

[slayer4567]

I was looking up alpha-methyltryptamine and I found a site that after it did a search of that chemical, it had the heading of 5-Methyltryptamine hydrochloride. Now comparing the chemical layout (the picture form) from this web site to Erowid's site, they look the same, but I'm not totally sure. Could someone verify this?

[slayer4567]

On a slightly different note... that site is owned (or so it seems) by what i believe to be a reputable chemical distrobuter, but it looks like it might be hard to get the chemicals from them. Before I make any rash moves, i'd like someone elses opinion on this matter. Can someone who knows thier stuff (i.e. Ellis, or someone of the likes) acknowledge this post and I'll PM u of what the site is I'm talking about. Thanks!

[audis4]

Anyone interested in trading some sources? I've got a couple of good ones and wanted to see if folks may be getting better prices elsewhere. PM Me.

[EllisDTripp]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost everyone who wants to swap PMs regarding suppliers seems to be a new member with only a few posts? :rolleyes:

[oOflyeyesOo]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost everyone who wants to swap PMs regarding suppliers seems to be a new member with only a few posts? :rolleyes:I notice the same thing :-p

But I have got some good source's off people with only a few posts.

[angerton]

The reason is due to other boards having much stricter policies with sharing sources, I believe. In some lands, a member need only ask one person who reports them to a moderator before it's time to move on.

[okayf00l]

SWIM knows of a few good rc sources still. one only sells DOI and DOC, and will soon have bromo dragonfly and DON, anohter has a vide variety, but doesnt ship to the us any more and the other also has a wide variety and ships to the us. any estimate on the number of companies still operating. I thought i was pretty informed on most sources but im sure there are a few I dont know of. Is it safe to trade sources on here i would hate to give any good source to a narc. But if its safde ide be willing to help someone if they could help me locate 5-meo-dmt freebse to the us :)

[orbital_forest]

^^^ is that the same one that is going to be offering methylone soon too :),thats a new one i just recently discovered...the best source is offline for a few weeks and ships to the US and has a fuckin GREAT selection :)

[evil_penguin]

well here is another one from a newbie. just recently found info on these wonderful things when i came across what we were told was mdma but when it came down to it after some checking around we found out that the pills were actualy 2c-i. they were blue pills that looked like 2x stack e with dolphine inprints. anyway looking for other sorces to pick that and othr stuff like it. any help would be great!

[dj_reegz]

when ordering borring reagents i'd avoid anything that could be used in explosives manufacture these days to. This includes nitric and sulfuric acids as well as hydrogen peroxide in high % solutions. And if you really want acids don't get any petrolium solvents or even Iodine with them that sort of thing pisses off whole other agencies.

[audis4]

RC Supplier Q.. Please reply via PM. SWIM has a source in in ca that all of a sudden has stopped responding to emails/calls.. If anyone has any info, please pM me

[fr0d0]

Hi, ive been active at drugs-forum.com as well, though i never got further there.. I am very interested in trying some research chemicals, as i am experiences with lsd, shrooms etc. I did finf some urls but i dont know if theyre to be trusted. Does anyone know a good supplier (preferably in the netherlands as i live there). Pm me plz :) I can also pm you guys the adresses i gathered so you might verify them. This wud really mean a lot to me guys ;) Thanks in advance

[The Flow]

Hi, ive been active at drugs-forum.com as well, though i never got further there.. I am very interested in trying some research chemicals, as i am experiences with lsd, shrooms etc. I did finf some urls but i dont know if theyre to be trusted. Does anyone know a good supplier (preferably in the netherlands as i live there). Pm me plz :) I can also pm you guys the adresses i gathered so you might verify them. This wud really mean a lot to me guys ;) Thanks in advance
Once again folks:
Keep your info about suppliers away from newbies. Sorry, that´s not against you personally fr0d0, but one can´t be cautious enough these days. And the infos in this topic should allow you to find a good supplier without bigger problems. You´ll just have to invest some time...

[Shaman420]

I just started an interest in RC's after trying 5-meo-DMT this past summer. I came across a site and I was wondering about whether anyone had experience with it being a legit source? I followed Ellis's post however I'm still unsure. Should I PM some RC vets around here or whats up?? I dont wanna break any rules but I'm real interested in obtaining some of these various chems.

[fr0d0]

Once again folks:
Keep your info about suppliers away from newbies. Sorry, that�s not against you personally fr0d0, but one can�t be cautious enough these days. And the infos in this topic should allow you to find a good supplier without bigger problems. You�ll just have to invest some time... Yeah ill invest more time. Ive already tried for several months. By the time I find a reliable supplier all those rc's will be banned. Thanks for nothing

[The Flow]

Yeah ill invest more time. Ive already tried for several months. By the time I find a reliable supplier all those rc's will be banned. Thanks for nothing
Read this thread:
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132895
It´s not that I don´t want to share my resources with you, but it´s quite clear that there are not only RC users on this site. O.K., the fact that someone is a member doesn´t make the whole thing safer, but you´ve got to set the cutoff somewhere.
If you can give me better arguments, why I should trust you, I´d be glad to share any resource with you...

[norcaltripper]

hi there i am new to this fourm. so much good information on RCs but no one uses them. well i sure do and have been looking for a good supplier but mine only has 2ci 2cc 5meodmt 4acomipt dpt doi so those are all i have had a chance to experment with. my personal favorite is 5meodmt even though the void it takes you to were nothing exists feaks me out quite a bit (SCARY) but i love it. 4acomipt is also a good one good visuals no heavy body load very colorful quite a beautiful experence at 25 mg. i also have done 2ci many time a doses from 10-50mg. 10 being very mild with no real visuals at all. and at 50mg i have intence visuals feeling very comfortable able to drift off deeper an deeper.
have more detals if there is any intrest.

Peace

[The Flow]

4acomipt is also a good one good visuals no heavy body load very colorful quite a beautiful experence at 25 mg.
The best thing under 4Aco-MiPT is the sex!

[bambam4236]

ohhhh yeah the flow has that right ;) sex under 2ci 2ce was 'interesting' ill say but under 4-aco-mipt....woooooooow ;)

[bambam4236]

Sorry i did forget the main reason i came to this thread is i'm trying to get some help with a problem i am having with an RC supplier or even feedback from someone that may have ordered from this guy\site in the last month.


Guess i can't mention names here so all ill say is its supplier A in Japan and i think anyone having used them will know what i mean.

i've ordered a couple of times through that site via a mate and never had an issue and placed an order with the site back on 20th december and the bank confirms my cash went through but i only ever got one email back with the payment details etc and nothing more....a month and 15 emails and 3 phone calls (yes they answered but his english sucks and my japanese sucks more) later i still have nothing via email or arriving in the mail.

Shit i decided the scales we were using sucked so even spent the cash on some .001g mettler analytical balances and they have been sitting here unused for weeks now :(

hope someone can help, im newish to this forum but have been doin RC's mainly 2ci 2ce and 4aco-mipt for quite a while so know my business but am really stuck here.

if you recognise the site i mentioned as much as i could earlier and have dealt with them recently id love to hear from you. Even better if you can help me write an email in japanese that would be the huge ;)

I have 4 friends who i experience RC's with regularily all hoping fingers crossed that i can sort this before a 4 day festival here in aus that suits this kind of thing to the letter.

anyway please if u know anything or can help

thanks
bam

[bambam4236]

Forgot to ask if even with help from people here i still can't get this sorted can someone PM me that site with references about suppliers so i can make sure others are aware to be careful of this supplier in the future?

thanks

[jory]

hello,

can anybody help me in european RC sites ? I know only p. site from europe but they are closed :(.
I know hongkong site on "b", but they are very expensive.

help me help me, please :)

[Velcro Warrior]

followed the instructions and found a site that lists hundreds of chemical suppliers. Enter the name and search away...

[sebos]

Does anyone else find it interesting that almost everyone who wants to swap PMs regarding suppliers seems to be a new member with only a few posts? :rolleyes:I gess old members already found theirs.
I'm one of these new members so I can understand i can't be trusted but if anyone is willing to pm me, we can exchange a few messages before we exchange suppliers. I already have a small list of suppliers but never ordered yet.
(you can also contact me via yahoo messenger)

[The Flow]

hello,

can anybody help me in european RC sites ? I know only p. site from europe but they are closed :(.
I know hongkong site on "b", but they are very expensive.

help me help me, please :)
The "P" site is back, just type in the adress you already know, and you´ll be redirected to their new location...

[indole]

The "P" site is back, just type in the adress you already know, and you´ll be redirected to their new location...But there are only a few compounds, i hope they stock more soon.
Sadly I wasn't able to get 5-Meo-DALT until the supplier in J stopped business, and now it's too late.

[The Flow]

But there are only a few compounds, i hope they stock more soon.
Sadly I wasn't able to get 5-Meo-DALT until the supplier in J stopped business, and now it's too late.
Just add "/english" to the adress you already know - voilá, the Japanese vendor is back (he only stopped sales inside Japan!)!

[indole]

Just add "/english" to the adress you already know - voilá, the Japanese vendor is back (he only stopped sales inside Japan!)!
Already tried 2 days ago, but got no response yet.

[The Flow]

Already tried 2 days ago, but got no response yet.
I tried it 10 minutes ago and it worked.

[indole]

I tried it 10 minutes ago and it worked.What did you try? Did you order something and got a confirmation, or did you just surf the site?

[nofx1422]

Ive also tried emailing him, at his old email and the one on the asian part of the site, no reply yet. Itd be great if he has just stopped sales inside japan. Probably a good idea in terms of LE

[indole]

The "P" site is back, just type in the adress you already know, and you´ll be redirected to their new location...The new location is offline at the moment. Does anybody know why? I hope nothing bad happened...

[abrad84]

I noticed this too and am hoping its a technical problem, I would be surprised if it was LE as he isn't breaking any German laws.

[indole]

Seems u are right, the site works again.

[illusion25]

so the japanese "A" site is still up? can anyone verify this? swim has ordered from them in the last month, but want to make sure that they arte still up.

pm me or reply if you have any info, or if he has emailed you back...

[nofx1422]

It seems as though the site is still up, but your guess is as good as mine as to whether theyre still filling orders. I have emailed him and still no reply. Itd be great to find out what the story is

[indole]

Seems u are right, the site works again.It's about the "p" not the "a" source. The "a" source really seems dead.

[EllisDTripp]

Alright already with this BS. Take it to PMs....

[The Flow]

Folks, I´m really getting tired of this!

No week passes by without someone asking for supplier info. Lots of people pm me for resources. Often enough, these people don´t have a single post. What do they expect? "Oh yeah, I don´t know you, but I would trust you until the end of the world... here´s a list of all suppliers I know!" Sorry for the sarcasm, but can anybody expect, that I would give him info, which took me years to get?
I´ve said it before and I´ll say it again:
no psychedelic should ever get into the hands of someone, who just looks for the fast kick. Knowledge is everything! Knowledge of the correct use as well as knowledge about good resources.
It took me years to get into the inner core of the psychonautical society, and I won´t waste all this by becoming unresponsible concerning the really delicate info about the top RC providers.

Last year I became member of a very special forum. You won´t find it by searching on the web. All members have been invited personally, after showing knowledge and responsibility in other forums. And even after joining this forum, I didn´t get access to all areas immediately. It took another 7 months (and more than 100 posts) to become invited to the "resources" section.
I tell you all this, because I thinks that´s a smart thing for the real psychonauts. Recently I´ve become allowed to invite people myself to this forum. It took me over a week to think it over, and finally I´ve sent 2(!) people an invitation. Nobody should feel offended for not being invited - it might still come... after some time. But the point is, that the real psychonauts keep their secret to themselves and it´s impossible to get an expressway into this society. (But once you´re in, you´ll get every kind of psychedelic - and I really mean everything! And for less than 10% the price, they´re normally offered by providers you know from the web!)

So:
Please stop all that asking for resources! All that talking about RC vendors will finally result in the closing of all the free resources (first) and after that, the really good (private) vendors will follow. Don´t ruin it! If you proove to be responsible and wise, and if you can be patient, heaven will open for you some time and give you everything your heart desires. If you fail to fulfill these requirements, it´s imho the best thing that can happen to you, that you fail to find the real stuff!

I know that many people will find this post offending or maybe arrogant, but I can live with that. I just had to say these things!

P.S.:
Normally I shouldn´t have to say that, but...
No need to pm me for resources, all people proven worthy have already got the info I could give them; requests from others will be deleted immediately!

[nofx1422]

Ive also had lots pms in recent weeks regarding sources. Generally dont even bother reading them

[nofx1422]

Maybe we should just send them in the direction of a certain supplier offering legal speed and psilocybin pills. lol

[The Flow]

Maybe we should just send them in the direction of a certain supplier offering legal speed and psilocybin pills. lol
Principally no bad idea, but these strange mixtures may cause even more damage than the real stuff...

[The Flow]

Besides:

The more substances become available, the less I´m likely to do them... strange, isn´t it?

[nofx1422]

Principally no bad idea, but these strange mixtures may cause even more damage than the real stuff...
I was under the impression that these guys are a complete scam, I didnt realise that they actually sent these pills out.

[fryingsquirrel]

I was under the impression that these guys are a complete scam, I didnt realise that they actually sent these pills out.They don't.

[trippedelia]

yeah i wouldn't expect anyone to hand me any supplier details

[The Flow]

They don't.
Well, some of them do, but what you get is (in best case) completely inactive or (worst case) really dangerous.

[dopey on dope]

you mean people just post a mesage and say give me your dealer

[grandbaby]

^ ¿Que?

[Gregonzo]

There are still foreign suppliers of RC's w/ websites that can fulfil your needs/wants.

Problems: they are more expensive as all the american suppliers fell victim to operation cbyer trip (or If the piggies do decide to whatever it was called)

monitor your purchases you may have alot of explaining to do for your possesion of trptamines/phenephaylamines.

I do know ppl who RECENTLY have purchased these chems w/ no problems

its a game of russian roulette though so good luck

[illuminati boy]

If you haven’t looked at THIS (http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20061800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2006/E6-7979.htm) yet you might want to. It would widen the presently accepted definition of ‘positional isomer’ to include many compounds not presently scheduled in PiHKAL or TiHKAL (in the US anyway). It is truly a bastardization of the language, but if it goes through it will pretty much make any of the 4th position tryptamines and much of PiHKAL a ‘positional isomer.’



As it stands now, compounds not explicitly scheduled are still legal in the United States, but only just. If you don’t have a bona fide lab set-up at home to test binding affinities etc., you would need to have another pretty good affirmative defense handy. The practicalities are that the DEA is fine (for now) with having shut-down the US based suppliers. It would be a pain in the ass to bring an expensive and lengthy case against someone who is simply receiving compounds in the mail from another country (when they can simply instruct customs to seize such shipments). Distribution is another story. With the proposed rules change listed above it will cover much of TiHKAL and PiHKAL and it is probably only the harbinger of future legislation that will explicitly throw all of TiHKAL and PiHKAL in the Schedule 1 (probably even the inactive items as well!). Once they have solid law in hand then they can go after various items which are explicitly scheduled. Until then, they are probably just biding their time by busting Hollywood ecstasy rings and whatnot.



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[whirledps]

i can see by the sigs / lyrics /pics there are a lot of old and young dead heads on here..... wonder why? he-he
Tap the tamborine indeed! :-)
This time tomorrow now I'll be with Phil & Friends. Close your eyes at it's almost like an old Dead show at times, without jerry bear :-(

[Advent]

I just read your post, The Flow, and I understand why everything is as you're trying to keep it.


Just recently I went through my 2nd 2ce experience and it was the most amazing and longest experience in my life. The first time was a week earlier at 10mg. My second was 25mg and quite overwhelming.

If you want to read my thoughts while I was under the influence check out my myspace in my profile. (by the way, is it dangerous to post such things at myspace considering my personal info and pictures are on there as well?)

it's just something that occured to me now that the 2ce has warn off that maybe posting it on a public site wasn't so smart.

Anyways my supply has run dry. I only had the 35mg and any of you fellow 2ce lovers out there must know what I feel. After enduring the most spiritually awakening experience of my life and coming to the realization "i might never experience that again" is a little depressing.

In time I hope to acquire atleast 100mg. Maybe for a 3rd experience and the rest to just stash, so that I know... if I ever needed it, it's there. But most definitly something I wouldn't use recreationally.

I've been desperately searching for sellers (probally like all newbs) YES, I read the FAQ about how to find legit sellers. I found an extremely basic website umm it comes to around 60 for 100mg, now I've read a few posts some peeps got 250mg for 60$. I don't care that I'd have to pay a higher price since I am a newbie and I haven't earned anyone's good graces like many of you experienced users have.

ANyway, the website is very basic, looks as if a 10 year old made it, it's in simple table format. There aren't a ton of chemicals for sale, maybe 3 dozen products at most, and most of them phens. It's "around china" atleast according to the contact us page. There doesn't seem to be ANY payment method yet. They require email and I assume they will respond with how to pay when they feel like it.

Aside from wondering if this is a safe website, has anyone heard of US customs seizing packages as low as 100mg of 2ce? I have no desire to place bulk orders or ever sell.

Well, I wont be sending any PMs, I won't be asking for sources again, I just thought I'd share my experience in this thread and hope for a little advice that isn't along the lines of "piss off newb, you're helping the DEA when you ask questions"

[TwoTokes]

Reading Advent's post, i've got to say I feel very similar...

I'm no life-committed psychonaut, but I do have a history of using psychedelics, both natural and synthesised and it is a journey that I feel i would very much to continue and expand as my life goes on. RCs are an area I have very little experience in and I'd like more, and so I've spent the past couple of years reading erowid, PiHKAL and TiHKAL, forums like this, and any other psychoactive substance resources I can. I'm doubtless that there is much research that I could still do, but I feel happy that I have a grasp of the history, chemistry and community that RCs have...

After talking to a few people, reading the vendor guidelines, and much (far too much really, I see what people mean when they say part of the fun is the detective work :)) online searching, I've found myself a few public and private contacts which could provide me with a small selection of phens and tryps, and of course actual people I know who may be able to sort me out through means which I have less confidence in...

Like advent, I am just after a small amount of my favourite chem, 2C-b, with no desire to ever order large amounts or sell, to continue my lab monkey research maybe two or three times a year. I have an interest in many of the other RCs, and I'm sure I will carry out some research at some point, but until I finish work for a year in a few months I have neither the time, or quite frankly, the funds to experiment elaborately.

Well, my experiences are that there are sources for you out there if you are smart, a good detective, and can invest some time, but even then there is the monetary and legal risks still to overcome. Does anyone know about custom seizures in the UK, would they bother chasing someone down for as little as 100mg or a gram, could they even chase them down with only an address and a "name"... It is always a bit strange to pay money to someone you've only got an email from....

And Flow, your inner forum sounds pretty sick, but for me personally I think I am happy to miss out on 10% prices and the like for a lower level of involvment... As long as I can get hold of SOMETHING for myself ;)

Peace
Tokes

[De stoned fryball]

I do know ppl who RECENTLY have purchased these chems w/ no problemsSwim recently ordered some of a research chemical and is very happy to hear this.

swims been really worried about it being siezed or actually prosecuted. Hopefully everything will turn out ok.

[illuminati boy]

^It was in reference to recent news. A Hollywood firm had just been raided for MDMA distribution and money laundering etc. when that post was made.


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[nofx1422]

Advent and others looking for a supplier, you most likely wont have too much luck other than finding them yourself, if youre worried about legitimacy, go to www.undrug.org/vdb you cant find suppliers there, but if you have the url youll be able to find out if theyre legit

[Advent]

Advent and others looking for a supplier, you most likely wont have too much luck other than finding them yourself, if youre worried about legitimacy, go to www.undrug.org/vdb (http://www.undrug.org/vdb) you cant find suppliers there, but if you have the url youll be able to find out if theyre legit
Thanks noxfx1422, I guess I should just do alot of research and compile a list of suppliers and just try my luck.

Also, are there any website locations other then any in the U.S. I should be weary of for "sting" operations to bust customers?

I'm very unaware of whats legal in other countries.

[grandbaby]

(by the way, is it dangerous to post such things at myspace considering my personal info and pictures are on there as well?) Depends how much you have to lose. I would never tie any questionable activites to MySpace; there have been busts. 2C-E is no problem (currently), but it could BECOME one. Also, if you ever want to get a job, you might find your prospects limited if your prospective boss googles you (they do) and finds that you're "a raving dope fiend." ;)

has anyone heard of US customs seizing packages as low as 100mg of 2ce? I don't THINK so. Not yet, anyhow.


As for "what's legal in other countries," Erowid (of course) has some overview-information and links to more detailed info on other countries' policies: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law.shtml

[KingVolcano]

Depends how much you have to lose. I would never tie any questionable activites to MySpace; there have been busts. 2C-E is no problem (currently), but it could BECOME one. Also, if you ever want to get a job, you might find your prospects limited if your prospective boss googles you (they do) and finds that you're "a raving dope fiend." ;)
I agree, if you take this interest seriously, you'd have to be crazy to post something on the internet that personally ties you to it. I'm paranoid enough to even post under different names depending on the forum. As far as asking "where can I get such and such?" you can be a complete lurker (I was for ages) and still put two and two together using Google without unintentionally convincing people you're either a cop or a 15 year old moron looking for a high.

[grandbaby]

I'm paranoid enough to even post under different names depending on the forum.That's a little paranoid, but probably smart. I wish I'd done that. You don't necessarily want to be a "presence."

[stalk]

Wow, I read pihkal and it blew my mind.

I know nothing about that kind of chemistry so when I fathomed the potential of all of the chemicals in that book I weeped!

And WOW-
There are people out there actually making that stuff?

Boy O Boy no wonder why everybody wants their hands on them.

2ce Sounds amazing! I'm still soar from last weekends acid trip ;]

[grandbaby]

I'm still soar from last weekends acid trip ;]Oh, it's true, then: Acid really does make you think you can fly. ;)

[The Flow]

Depends how much you have to lose. I would never tie any questionable activites to MySpace; there have been busts. 2C-E is no problem (currently), but it could BECOME one.
Well, but if they´d be after you in future, they´d have to proove that you were buying 2C-E when it was illegal. They can´t prosecute you for buying a substance at a time, when it wasn´t illegal yet.

[The Flow]

2ce Sounds amazing! I'm still soar from last weekends acid trip ;]
2C-E is my personal favorite. Best stuff I´ve ever tried!
And in combos with MDMA or Methylone, it can blow your mind much more than even high doses of acid ever could.
(Warning: Kids, for heaven´s sake, PLEASE don´t try this at home! This combo is for VERY experienced psychonauts only!!!) :&

[stalk]

One day if I ever know where to come accross some, I'll aquire it in a heart beat.

Thanks for all the information :]]

[The Flow]

One day if I ever know where to come accross some, I'll aquire it in a heart beat.

Thanks for all the information :]]
Onca again: These combos are only for the very experienced. Start with low doses of every single chemical and see how you can deal with it. Combos of 2C-E and methamphetamines compared to the mono substances are like starship Enterprise on Warp 9 compared to a hot air baloon!
Play safe! No unnecessary risks!

[Gregonzo]

2C-E is my personal ("") favorite. Best stuff I´ve ever tried!
And in combos with MDMA or Methylone, it can blow your mind much more than even high doses of acid ever could

a 35mg dose of 4 HO-DIPT blew my mind more than any hit of acid ever did!

[The Flow]

a 35mg dose of 4 HO-DIPT blew my mind more than any hit of acid ever did!
Then you´ve never tried to combine 4HO-DiPT with 2C-B. This combo rocks!

(But once again: this is only for very experienced users. Unnecessary to say, that you should never try these combos without a sober and experienced sitter!)

[stalk]

Onca again: These combos are only for the very experienced. Start with low doses of every single chemical and see how you can deal with it. Combos of 2C-E and methamphetamines compared to the mono substances are like starship Enterprise on Warp 9 compared to a hot air baloon!
Play safe! No unnecessary risks!common shamanic sense, though I thank you for the reminder.

I've never tried any of those, except for 2c-b, so I have no idea what starship enterprise on warp 9 feels like. (heh, I could dream about it, though.)

Also, I personally like to stay away from amphetamines of any kind. When those enter my body I can feel my brain being chewed on. Don't really like that feeling . .

[stalk]

p.s. what is 4HO-DiPT

is it in PIHKAL?

(Wish I still had my copy. My friend...erm...someone I used to know took that book from my possession. Selfish soul.)

[fryingsquirrel]

^^No, but it's in Tihkal.

[stalk]

ahhh . .

Time to upgrade.

[grandbaby]

Pihkal and Tihkal are both freely available online at erowid and the lycaeum. Not the narrative bits; just the chem descriptions.

[The Flow]

Also, I personally like to stay away from amphetamines of any kind. When those enter my body I can feel my brain being chewed on. Don't really like that feeling . .
I was talking about methamphetamines, meaning MDMA and stuff like that. Great chems themselves, even better in combos (but never forget: in almost every lethal RC accident during the last year, at least one methamphetamine was involved. Never risk too much and always use an accurate scale (accuracy not less than 1mg!)).

[adicktosex]

Hello all!!!
This is my first post. I´m spanish and my english is very bad.
Of course my intention is to get a reliable list of rc's suppliers or get access to that private forum of psichonauts. Please "The Flow", you believe me if I assure that I am a 40 year old psichonaut, experimented mdma consumer and ocassional consumer of 2CB.
Trying to find 2meoDMT.

[fryingsquirrel]

^^5meo-dmt maybe? 2meo-dmt is a new one to be, and not in Tihkal. 2me-dmt is, but doesn't seem particularly interesting.

[KingVolcano]

Hello all!!!
This is my first post. I´m spanish and my english is very bad.
Of course my intention is to get a reliable list of rc's suppliers or get access to that private forum of psichonauts. Please "The Flow", you believe me if I assure that I am a 40 year old psichonaut, experimented mdma consumer and ocassional consumer of 2CB.
Trying to find 2meoDMT.Wow, I don't even know what to say about that...I think the combination of your name, level of coherence and post count make for a big bouquet of "no". Asking here won't get you places, but google and the sticky threads in the forum might point you in the right direction

[adicktosex]

Oops, I said 2 instead 5, sorry. I know your answer is NO but no matter, thanks anyway.

[The Flow]

Pretty hard to talk about MDMA as "Great stuff" with all the info thats come out about the after effects in the past few weeks.
Didn´t have much time to look after this during the last week... do you have links for me? I´m always interested in such publications (although most of them are just part of the panic campaigns of the US government...).

[The Flow]

Hello all!!!
This is my first post. I´m spanish and my english is very bad.
Of course my intention is to get a reliable list of rc's suppliers or get access to that private forum of psichonauts. Please "The Flow", you believe me if I assure that I am a 40 year old psichonaut, experimented mdma consumer and ocassional consumer of 2CB.
Trying to find 2meoDMT.
Haven´t you read my first post in this thread???
If you had, you wouldn´t have posted this!

And:
I´m interested how you define a "psychonaut". What special things have you found out about yourself on your trips? Do you keep records of your trips? Do you swap your experiences with others? How many people have you sitted during their trips? Ever done psychological tests or IQ tests during your trips in order to find out, how a drug affects your psyche and mind? Ever done some basic studies in biology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics, pharmacology, (neuro)physiology or things like that? How many psychonautical congresses have you attended so far?

I know, that´s a lot of questions, but from my experience, 99% of the people who call themselves "psychonauts" only do this to excuse their drug abuse...

[adicktosex]

1.- Yes I have read it. But I understood with my language constraint. I have understood your message, sorry just kidding.
2.- Psychonaut: A person who studies his soul-mind combo in depth, travelling into himself.
3.- I had revelations of my soul nature. I´ve learned things what already know but I don´t believe.
4.- No, I remember unforgettable experiences.
5.- Yes, I swap with my friends and my wife.
6.- The same people with who swap.
7.- No, no test.
8.- Yes, I´m very interested in biochemistry but I am not a biochemical.
9.- No, no congress

I´m a psychonaut not a researcher.
I like drugs but I am not a drug abuser. A thin line does a boundary limit.

Sorry for my bad english and for my sarcasm.

Sincerely.

[adicktosex]

thank earlyxsunsets. me too

[The Flow]

A thin line does a boundary limit. True, true.

Besides: Forgive me if I sounded rude, but many people come here, claiming to be psychonauts, but only look for the next (and stronger) kick.


But here´s an important hint, if you´re seriously looking for good (and cheap) suppliers:
There´s a special reason, why I often ask the people here, how many psychonautical congresses they have attended so far - because there´s by far no better place to make connections and find resources. Of course you can´t just run around and ask everybody "Hey man, any good drugs for sale?" But if you behave a little sensible, you may meet some friendly chemists, who are willing to make you a custom synthesis of (almost) whatever you want. After my first psychonautical congress, I came home with not less than 16 adresses in my pocket, of which 7 were from chemists. Since then, I never had a problem getting the chemicals I desire (although I always appreciate getting new internet resources - sometimes they´re just much cheaper), often it´s just a matter of time. And during the last years, my periodical attendance at these congresses even paid out in connections to the "German Federal Opium Control Agency", the highest drug control authority here in Germany. And I have good connections to the only guys in Germany, who are allowed to manufacture synthetic THC.
That´s why I can say now: If I can´t get it, nobody can! (which doesn´t mean that I´m interested in trying all that stuff; it´s my belief that everyone should set himself borderlines, which he´ll never cross! For me, this borderline begins with cocaine and most opiates.)

So the best advice I can give an ambitioned psychonaut: search the internet for the next psychonautical congress in your area and go there. And even, if you don´t find a new resource at your first visit, you´ll definitely have a great time (remember my reports from the Basel LSD-symposium in Jan 2006 here on hipforums; especially about the Saturday night party with hundreds of highly decorated and respected researchers on acid...).

[adicktosex]

For me, this borderline begins with cocaine and most opiates.
Escohotado said (He is a spanish writer): There are one drug for each stage of our life, opiates are good for the end when pain is daily.

I will be old junkie grandpa.

Cocaine, bufff, this line crossed in and out MDMA free me. Thanks medicine of the soul.

The Flow, I envy you. Thanks for your advice, I´ll try to find congress in Spain.

and what is your definition of psychonaut?...:) and your best experience?

Un abrazo

[The Flow]

and what is your definition of psychonaut?Sorry, that I didn´t answer that earlier, as so often, I had too much work to do during the last weeks (and months)...

I define a psychonaut as a person, who does drugs to find out more about himself, how his mind/brain works and tries to take something out of these experiences in his everyday life. Sometimes, he´ll even manage to reproduce some drug effects without having taken the drug (after some training, I can already reproduce parts of the effects of 2C-B, 2C-E and Methylone, just by will. They don´t last long though, but even a few seconds can have strong effects if used wisely in your daily life. And don´t forget, that I´m still working on it...).
And of course, he shares his experiences with other psychonauts, esp. professional researchers, in order to help them drawing new conclusions on drug themes and maybe discover things, that may help everybody.
A good psychonaut doesn´t do drugs just for fun. O.K., he may sometimes take them for personal reasons (e.g. me and my wife spent a night on Methylone, after her Grandma passed away last December, but this included also some kind of therapeutic setting), but he has enough control over his situation and enough resources, that he does not need drugs to get along with his life.
Some people take drugs regularly just because they think, they wouldn´t have a godd time without them (or at least a not-so-good time). Some are also just looking for the next and maybe stronger kick. Imho, these people are no psychonauts, but only poor creatures, who have lost their faith and can´t see the beauty of life any more!
A good psychonaut will always plan his experiences, care for a good set and setting. And if he experiments with new substances or new (higher) doses of drugs he already knows, he´ll always have a sober sitter around. I´ve already done (group) experiments without a sitter, but only if every member of the group had researched it well (that means done it at least 3 times, if possible in different doses), had made good experiences with it and - most important - only with substances and at doses, under which I could (with lots of will and discipline) in case of emergency switch back to "normal mode" and handle the situation (for me, these substances are Methylone, MDMA in low doses, 2C-B, Psilocybin in low doses and THC).
He will be careful with every substance, research new substances as good as possible, start with reasonable low doses and will also always have proper antidotes at hand.

This is only a small part of my definition of a "Psychonaut", but I hope, it´ll point you in the right direction.


and your best experience?My best experience ever was my 2nd MDMA trip... I had been a little anxious before my 1st one (have read lots of the horror news about it, this was also at the beginning of my "career" as a psychonaut) and couldn´t relax very well. Also, I wasn´t very comfortable with my sitter. It was nice, but it wasn´t the thing I had expected. The 2nd time I knew what to expect, so I could relax a little more. My sitter was a friend from university, who wasn´t very happy about my drug experiments, but anyway agreed to be my guide. He had lots of empathy and although he had never taken MDMA before, he knew instinctively, what was best for me (maybe, because he was a marathon runner - these guys know very much about extreme serotonine rushes!).
Another great experience was my 1st 2C-B alone trip. I had experienced the substance 6 times before with a sitter on doses up to 30mg, when I tried a 10mg trip alone (but with my friend from the 2nd MDMA trip as a backup, his phone number stored in my telephone for emergencies, having a key to my appartment and calling me every 60 minutes, to check, if I was still alright). On the same night, I experienced (among other things) one of our German soccer teams winning the UEFA-Cup (the 2nd most important soccer title in Europe) - of course on TV. Under the drug, this became a night, which I´ll never forget.
And I´ve had some great 2C-B and 2C-E experiences in circuses, shows and esp. visiting fireworks displays.

[adicktosex]

My best experience ever was my 2nd MDMA trip... Haha, My best experience are exactly the same, second MDMA trip, seems that the first trip was too much strong for my brain or I wasn't prepared for it came.

Thanks for your info, ever it´s good to learn good things from good friends.

My next step is try 2c-e, I have 500mg, do you have any advice for me? Already tried 2c-b six years ago when I started my relation with MDMA.

Another question, Methilone vs MDMA, wich do you prefer?

Thanxs and bye

PD. (I was waiting the previous answer for weeks, but no matter, your answer was great). Thanks&thanks El Flujo

[The Flow]

My next step is try 2c-e, I have 500mg, do you have any advice for me? Already tried 2c-b six years ago when I started my relation with MDMA.
Start with 14-16mg and expect some stomach discomfort during the first 60-90 minutes. Fresh ginger can help your gut to get through this period.
Have some eye food at hand.
If your experience was pleasant, you might want to raise to 19-22mg.
After collecting some experience, you may also want to try a combo with methylone. 12-15mg of 2C-E in combination with 35-60mg of Methylone are a really great experience.

Another question, Methilone vs MDMA, wich do you prefer?
There´s nothing like god ol` MDMA, but sometimes I just prefer its younger sister, because it´s easier to handle, shorter lived and the risk of a depressive phase 2 or 3 days after the experience is much lower. This risk can also be minimized by taking some 5-HTP during the trip.

[adicktosex]

Thanks El Flujo.

I haven´t Methylone, but I've MDMA. Once I´m adaped to 2ce I will try combo MDMA+2ce instead Methy, what do you think?

[minicoop78]

the flow you info is so important to the real comunity thankyou for the writeups
coop

[adicktosex]

i think that you're gonna be really, really fucked up.

Earlyx, bad experience with 2ce? I´m sorry. It seems that 2ce is too much toxic?

[The Flow]

Thanks El Flujo.

I haven´t Methylone, but I've MDMA. Once I´m adaped to 2ce I will try combo MDMA+2ce instead Methy, what do you think?
I´ve done it and I must say, that I didn´t like it that much. Too much energy and the kick in of the 2C-E is (imho) much too strong.
If you want to try it, maybe do 100-150mg of MDMA first, and when you´re already coming down, take 8-12mg 2C-E.
Be prepared for a lot of coughing and the really nasty feeling of hairs in your throat for 1-2 hours.

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

Hey Flow i'm interested in these psychonautical congress' do you know if they come around very often in the UK? would you have a website about upcoming lectures? x

[MyOwnReality]

<--- Runs for a seat in the Psychonautical Senate

Have you ever tryed mixing 2ce with LSD? I tryed this once and it was a neat experience. 2ci has always been a favorite of mine, and its something I like mixing with other chemicals such as LSD or mushrooms quite a bit. I've found that combining phenethylamines and tryptamines / ergotamines seems to provide a much more intense experience than combing tryptamines or phenethylamines with each other... This is just my own personal experience.

I've been reading alot about the differences between 2ce and 2ci lately, it seems that overall more people describe 2ce as being an extremely useful drug, but yet by some odd flip of the coin more people describe negative effects associated with its use as opposed to 2ci(that is in terms of side effects, stomach discomfort, uncomfortable body load and other some what toxic seeming symptoms.) 2ci also seems to create a feeling of empathy in more users and stronger stimulation. I'm interested in hearing members of this forum's oppinions.

Surveys:
2ci:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/DisplaySummary.asp?SID=1745329&U=174532972681

2ce:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/DisplaySummary.asp?SID=1745322&U=174532247130
-MOR

P.S. I invite every one to join the following yahoo group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ResearchChem/

Formerly 'ResearchTrypn' our group has been active in its Research chemical focused discussion since late 2002 and has over 600 members. Over the past couple of years we've become more private so be aware that you will be asked to provide a reason for wanting to join the group. However, this reason doesn't have to be extremely detailed and can be as simple as 'I'm interested in the subject' it simply serves as a barrier between our discussion and spam, as well as extremely lazy people who don't contribute much to the knowledge / experience base. Our single rule- no open supplier discussion.

[illusion25]

2ce blows 2ci away.
i have had many experences with both chemicals. totalling over 50 trips, and 2ce is way better than 2ci.
i lived 2ci when i did it. it was my 2nd rc to try. but after trying2ce i dont ever want to get 2ci again. just my opinions.
i can elaborate if you want to hear more.

oh and btw, i am interested in your research group. i love to get information from many sources to help me understand and grasp my trips better. let me know more about these groups . pm me please! i have alot of useful information i can share with you guys . along with many psyconautfriends.

[The Flow]

2ce blows 2ci away.
i have had many experences with both chemicals. totalling over 50 trips, and 2ce is way better than 2ci.
i lived 2ci when i did it. it was my 2nd rc to try. but after trying2ce i dont ever want to get 2ci again. just my opinions.
I agree!

[Lecarick]

Ah, I'll have to wrangle some 2c-e up then. Problem is, I'm slightly broke lately. Currently a biochemistry student (unfortunately without private lab access) and don't make too much cash :) but I have a reasonably priced source, so I might just be able to give it a shot soon, I only buy by the gram though.

I've found that while 2c-i is great, it's hard to really... use the experience for much...

[Gregonzo]

oddly enough, 2ci is not yet listed on the scheduled narcotics list...

this RC was widely used, purchased, and discussed on the web and was included in reports brought forth after Operation Web Tryp.

just because an RC is not yet scheduled or illegal doesnt mean that it IS NOT under scrutiny and could cause alot of unwanted attention. There are obviously ways to obtain RCs in small amounts that are sold or traded under circumstances that are super loopholes that would be too much of a hassle for drug nazis to fuck with.

[Gregonzo]

I've found that while 2c-i is great, it's hard to really... use the experience for much...

yeah, id say that 2ci was a firework show without an ego death or intrrospection for me

[manrike]

folks,

patience is a virtue so please understand the need of those who might have been left in the void with the web tryp operation.

Those of you who want to fuck with the minds of those of us still looking show a childish attitude. So is that the general attitude of the so called "inner core"?

While the core remains, the members change. Sooner or later we're all outside. You want to be played with when you're outside looking in?

Is it the policy of a real psychonaut to advocate responsibility and then say something like when you're inside you'll be in (psycho)heaven? If you're in Keep it quiet. By explaining how good it is inside the womb you only exacerbate the pressure applied by those outside. Arrogance is the mark of the psychonut, is it not?

[Tanman35]

bump just because every1 asks me for sources all the time and its gets to be a huge pain some times im sorry but 5 posts and been a member for a week isnt doin it 4 me

[sdng]

yeah you're gunna have to get lucky & catch me when i'm drunk to get a source out of me.. it happened once, but it's not likely to happen again

[porkstock41]

i understand being responsible and selective...but shit when will i have enough posts?

[pedaltopedal]

bump just because every1 asks me for sources all the time and its gets to be a huge pain some times im sorry but 5 posts and been a member for a week isnt doin it 4 me

Getting source requests from people with only a couple posts comes with the territory, unfortunately. I try to encourage them to hang and contribute to the forums. The more people actively contributing, the better :)

[porkstock41]

Getting source requests from people with only a couple posts comes with the territory, unfortunately. I try to encourage them to hang and contribute to the forums. The more people actively contributing, the better :)

us "newbies" appreciate the encouragement..although i wouldn't lump myself in with the "3 posts, outright asking for sources" guys

the stickies Do help..but say i take initiative..do my own research, but before ordering ask for maybe confirming a good source? is that acceptable? i don't want to be breakin any rules

[pedaltopedal]

Oh, I wasn't referring to you porkstock41. I'm talking about when people who just sign up and have less than 10 posts send you a PM and ask for a source.

[pedaltopedal]

us "newbies" appreciate the encouragement..although i wouldn't lump myself in with the "3 posts, outright asking for sources" guys

the stickies Do help..but say i take initiative..do my own research, but before ordering ask for maybe confirming a good source? is that acceptable? i don't want to be breakin any rules

Once you find a good source, you can always check it at www.undrugged.org

That would be the best way for you to confirm a good source once you found one.

[Mr.Writer]

i understand being responsible and selective...but shit when will i have enough posts?

Lol I always feel the exact same way.

I would love to try anything from tihkal or pihkal, or even just explore larger doses of LSD, but I have no source. I also can't find any Psychonautical Congress websites . . . either this stuff isn't searchable through google or I'm not as good with google as I thought :P.

[36fuckin5]

Alright, I'm just gonna throw this out there. I've got one reliable source so far, the same one from Canada that everybody knows and is overpriced.

Anybody willing to give me an invite to one of the private boards? I know I've contributed a lot, so I figure somebody might be nice enough to send me a PM. I don't have much to trade or anything, but I'll teach you to grow mushrooms or extract DMT or something.

[Tanman35]

the stickies Do help..but say i take initiative..do my own research, but before ordering ask for maybe confirming a good source? is that acceptable? i don't want to be breakin any rules
if someone asked me to confirm a good source i would be happy to but i have literally had four or more people in the short amount of time i have been here ask for a source and have 5 or less posts.
1. we dont want these sources finding their way into the wrong hands(DEA)
2. we dont want irresponsible people finding these sources are doing something stupid and bringing attention to this community or any person who chooses to ingest these chemicals
3. any person can come in here and make an account i dont think any one of us want to see someone who is not nearly old enough to responsibly use these chemicals to have access to them

sorry for the rant i just though i should clarify what i ment with that post before
peace and love :cheers2:

[porkstock41]

if someone asked me to confirm a good source i would be happy to but i have literally had four or more people in the short amount of time i have been here ask for a source and have 5 or less posts.
1. we dont want these sources finding their way into the wrong hands(DEA)
2. we dont want irresponsible people finding these sources are doing something stupid and bringing attention to this community or any person who chooses to ingest these chemicals
3. any person can come in here and make an account i dont think any one of us want to see someone who is not nearly old enough to responsibly use these chemicals to have access to them

sorry for the rant i just though i should clarify what i ment with that post before
peace and love :cheers2:

oh i completely agree man.

i guess i was just thinking that some people seemed to make it way too hard to become involved. i mean they would say contribute to the thread, you have no posts, but i felt i was being treated the same way. and i've been here since 2004 and have a few posts at least.
BUT it's better to be too careful than not enough. and i 100% agree that giving a source to someone with less than 100 posts is kinda asking for trouble. at least put forth some effort. i hope were not just motivating the narcs to be more persistent..i'm sure they are plenty enough already
anyways...cheers:cheers2:
if you be patient, good things will come your way

[Toejam]

Tanman - thanks for bumping this.

I also have been pelted with private messages lately asking for sources, not always in those words, but usually along the lines of "oh, hey, you seem to know what you're doing and i'm REALLY struggling to find a source, wanna help a brother out?"

And sometimes it's tough not to give in, sometimes I feel guilty if I don't. But then I think to myself, "fuck them, I joined here and had to learn things the hard way, I never PM'ed anyone asking for sources, so why should they have the right to?"

True, I don't have all that many posts but I have spent hours and hours and hours reading and researching and learning. THIS IS A VERY SPECIALISED FIELD, which has been kept under the radar for a long time for a very good reason - EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THEIR PART TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY STRONG AND TIGHT-KNIT. You will find suppliers eventually, and as others have said, your sources WILL increase once ou delve further and deeper into this community. Just as the vendors should be responsible about who theuy supply chemicals to, so should we be responsible about the manner in which they are used.

NOTHING IS EVER GUARANTEED. What is here today is not always what will be here tomorrow. Pleease people, try to keep this in mind at all times.

Psychedelic drugs are not toys. Nor are they a "quick high", and this has been mentioned a countless number of time by people on this forum who are well-respected for their contributions. They are a valuable, life-changing experience and we should all be grateful that we have such a wide selection of compounds to choose from. It is an exciting and groundbreaking field with endless possibilities.

All of this can be ruined horribly fast when some irresponsible idiot buys 500mg of 2C-E from a vendor and then snorts a line of it, thinking that it's just some "nose-candy".

COMMON SENSE IS THE KEY HERE. We should be proud of the fact that humans have created such amazing substances, but knowledge is power. Just because these drugs were created by humanity doesn't mean they should be shared by ALL humanity.

Just my two cents worth.

Peace.

[Tanman35]

:iagree: :cheers2:

[Cyryl MIRAUDS]

Does any body know in which countries K is still legal. With all these scammers I think it is more reliable to buy it directly and in legal a way...

[ODB]

Isn't K legal in Mexico?

[salmon4me]

You could buy it in drug stores in Mexico (Baja California), back in the early to mid nineties.

[Blinky]

You know, when I first joined this forum - I guess it was a year ago - I didn't know very much about rc's. Luckily there were a few people here who were nice to me and gave me a few hints as to where to go to look for sources and how to go about ordering. Now, most of my sources I have found on my own through tireless searching (treasure hunting) which can be very rewarding if you find a good source at the end of the trail.

So, I definitely agree with others here and wouldn't just give away sources that took me a lot of time and effort to find. I just cringe when a newbie whines that they've spent three hours searching for 2c-x on the internet and can't find anything. The answers and sources are right there to see and be found - plain as day. Searching for the source is part of the fun.

Love the process of treasure hunting or reap no rewards!

[Cyryl MIRAUDS]

Hi, i agree with that but it is a lot of money thrown down the drain until you find the right guy I guess...

[dead2dacore]

^^ it shouldnt be, because there are many ways to check your sources.. its sometimes hard to find a legit source, but it shouldnt be hard to find out if your source is just a big scam

[Tanman35]

^^ it shouldnt be, because there are many ways to check your sources.. its sometimes hard to find a legit source, but it shouldnt be hard to find out if your source is just a big scam

totally agree if your not sure check undrugged or just ask a mod from these forums im sure they'd be happy 2 help

[do0zer]

Psychonauit congress where and when????

[Severely stoned]

^^^ Don't go there he's a narc or a scam. His site is clearly illegal.

[Blinky]

Yes, the prices are ridiculous! I can get a gram of 2c-i for $100 - $150 dollars. You know what though - the funny thing is that the DEA will probably let the site go on forever like legalhighs.org did as long as they are scamming people on not sending out any product. They take out the legit US sites quickly and leave the scammers to keep scamming! What a bunch of A**holes!

[DroneLore]

Sorry, that I didn´t answer that earlier, as so often, I had too much work to do during the last weeks (and months)...

I define a psychonaut as a person, who does drugs to find out more about himself, how his mind/brain works and tries to take something out of these experiences in his everyday life. Sometimes, he´ll even manage to reproduce some drug effects without having taken the drug (after some training, I can already reproduce parts of the effects of 2C-B, 2C-E and Methylone, just by will. They don´t last long though, but even a few seconds can have strong effects if used wisely in your daily life. And don´t forget, that I´m still working on it...).
And of course, he shares his experiences with other psychonauts, esp. professional researchers, in order to help them drawing new conclusions on drug themes and maybe discover things, that may help everybody.
A good psychonaut doesn´t do drugs just for fun. O.K., he may sometimes take them for personal reasons (e.g. me and my wife spent a night on Methylone, after her Grandma passed away last December, but this included also some kind of therapeutic setting), but he has enough control over his situation and enough resources, that he does not need drugs to get along with his life.
Some people take drugs regularly just because they think, they wouldn´t have a godd time without them (or at least a not-so-good time). Some are also just looking for the next and maybe stronger kick. Imho, these people are no psychonauts, but only poor creatures, who have lost their faith and can´t see the beauty of life any more!
A good psychonaut will always plan his experiences, care for a good set and setting. And if he experiments with new substances or new (higher) doses of drugs he already knows, he´ll always have a sober sitter around. I´ve already done (group) experiments without a sitter, but only if every member of the group had researched it well (that means done it at least 3 times, if possible in different doses), had made good experiences with it and - most important - only with substances and at doses, under which I could (with lots of will and discipline) in case of emergency switch back to "normal mode" and handle the situation (for me, these substances are Methylone, MDMA in low doses, 2C-B, Psilocybin in low doses and THC).
He will be careful with every substance, research new substances as good as possible, start with reasonable low doses and will also always have proper antidotes at hand.

This is only a small part of my definition of a "Psychonaut", but I hope, it´ll point you in the right direction.


My best experience ever was my 2nd MDMA trip... I had been a little anxious before my 1st one (have read lots of the horror news about it, this was also at the beginning of my "career" as a psychonaut) and couldn´t relax very well. Also, I wasn´t very comfortable with my sitter. It was nice, but it wasn´t the thing I had expected. The 2nd time I knew what to expect, so I could relax a little more. My sitter was a friend from university, who wasn´t very happy about my drug experiments, but anyway agreed to be my guide. He had lots of empathy and although he had never taken MDMA before, he knew instinctively, what was best for me (maybe, because he was a marathon runner - these guys know very much about extreme serotonine rushes!).
Another great experience was my 1st 2C-B alone trip. I had experienced the substance 6 times before with a sitter on doses up to 30mg, when I tried a 10mg trip alone (but with my friend from the 2nd MDMA trip as a backup, his phone number stored in my telephone for emergencies, having a key to my appartment and calling me every 60 minutes, to check, if I was still alright). On the same night, I experienced (among other things) one of our German soccer teams winning the UEFA-Cup (the 2nd most important soccer title in Europe) - of course on TV. Under the drug, this became a night, which I´ll never forget.
And I´ve had some great 2C-B and 2C-E experiences in circuses, shows and esp. visiting fireworks displays.

While I find your attitude to be elitist, separatist, and unnecessarily critical of those with goals and desires different from your own, you have managed to re-ignite the very thing that originally drew me to psychedelics: analyzing the experience. After having finally experienced two of the most popular and basic tryptamines, I had so much fun that I was beginning to lose sight of why I ever got into this scene in the first place.

[ODB]

psychonaut = sailor of the mind/spirit

[Tanman35]

looks like bumping this thread may have actually worked the pm's and posts about sources seem to have slowed greatly i havent had a pm in a while haha

[KrazyJuggalo]

looks like bumping this thread may have actually worked the pm's and posts about sources seem to have slowed greatly i havent had a pm in a while haha

You're tellin me :P

[Cyryl MIRAUDS]

Neither do I :(