Your religion

[moon_flower]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?

[Epiphany]

I feel great about it, thanks for asking!

[roly]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?

i like it very much.... and i think most ppl on the CHRISTIANITY forum will agree........glad to kno the basics stuck with you!!!

roly.xxx

[Jatom]

Not sure which religion you're talking about, but that's certainly not Christianity!

[BlackBillBlake]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?
It's clear enough that you are not well informed about Christianity. This is a simplistic and silly criticism you make. Do you seriously imagine that something such as you describe could , for example. have inspired some of the world's greatest art and music? And do you think it is likely to be taken seriously by anyone??

[seamonster66]

I don't know, seems she hit the main points of the religion, she just missed the part where you can murder 15 people and then repent and everything is ok.

[FreakyJoeMan]

Awww, don't be mean to em, MoonFlar.(shakes finger at face)Tsk Tsk!

[BlackBillBlake]

I don't know, seems she hit the main points of the religion, she just missed the part where you can murder 15 people and then repent and everything is ok.
I can only speak for myself, and what I have learned from Christian teachings.

I don't believe in ' an invisible man in the sky'. God is far more than that!

As for an arbitrary set of rules, strictly speaking, the ten commandments belong to Judaism. Christ gave two new commandments for his followers, and according to the New Testament, Grace is what saves us, not ridgid adherence to the Law.

As for multiple murderer - sorry, you've lost me there. It is clearly not ok! But God could forgive even that. Society of course, cannot, and must have civil laws to protect the public.

[seamonster66]

Quote:Grace is what saves us, not ridgid adherence to the Law.

So are you one of the smart ones who realize that christian law is made by man to create a more harmonious and moral society? Finally, someone who is smart enough not to be a literalist.

[moon_flower]

I don't know, seems she hit the main points of the religion, she just missed the part where you can murder 15 people and then repent and everything is ok.

Oh yes, I forgot that one. :rolleyes: Stupid me.

[campbell34]

-Following the laws of the Bible shows Jesus that we love him. Although it is impossible to follow them all the time, to make an attempt is the key. Most people do not make this attempt. Even some who claim that they are Christians don't. And in all reality they are not really Christians. Do not be fooled.

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him." -Titus 1:16

Also, it's sad that there is so many people on this forum that talk down Christianity yet they have no clue what the Bible is really about.

[meishka]

good old titus! always solving the worlds problems

[moon_flower]

It's clear enough that you are not well informed about Christianity. This is a simplistic and silly criticism you make. Do you seriously imagine that something such as you describe could , for example. have inspired some of the world's greatest art and music? And do you think it is likely to be taken seriously by anyone??
Not well informed? Would you please, oh great one, tell me the 411, then? I think I'm right on, which pisses you off to see your religion ridiculed.

[moon_flower]

-Following the laws of the Bible shows Jesus that we love him. Although it is impossible to follow them all the time, to make an attempt is the key. Most people do not make this attempt. Even some who claim that they are Christians don't. And in all reality they are not really Christians. Do not be fooled. If you really loved your god, you would obey them all. Like you people say 'all things are possible with God.'....am I right?

"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him." -Titus 1:16This is supposed to make what point? I never claimed I didn't deny God.

Also, it's sad that there is so many people on this forum that talk down Christianity yet they have no clue what the Bible is really about.Excuse me, I've read the bible. Cover to cover. It's sad that so many 'Christians' know less about it than I do. You can't even give an educated response to the post, you have to ramble on and on with things that have been said.

[metro]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?
lol! Nice summary. Who could not want to adopt this fabulous religion? It just makes so much sense.
See you in Hell moonflowerhttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Epiphany]

Not well informed? Would you please, oh great one, tell me the 411, then? I think I'm right on, which pisses you off to see your religion ridiculed.

"I think I'm right on".... Thank you for your opinion on Christianity.

[moon_flower]

Damn double posts.

[moon_flower]

lol! Nice summary. Who could not want to adopt this fabulous religion? It just makes so much sense.
See you in Hell moonflowerhttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Muahahahahahaha. I'll save you a front row seat?

Opinion? Oh, that's right....I insulted your religion.
It's more than opinion.

[sm0key42o8]

all religions are manmade and all religious ideas are too, therefore the must have some flaws in em...

[BlackBillBlake]

Not well informed? Would you please, oh great one, tell me the 411, then? I think I'm right on, which pisses you off to see your religion ridiculed.
Well, I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by 'the 411'.

As far as it goes, I'm not pissed off - and nor do I have to revert to personal insults to make my point.

As for it being my religion, I think in fact it is God's.

[TheHammerSpeaks]

Not well informed? Would you please, oh great one, tell me the 411, then? I think I'm right on, which pisses you off to see your religion ridiculed.
I think you are well-informed. I think you're intentionally and knowingly leaving out parts you'd rather gloss over. Such as God Himself undergoing agonizing torture and death to make up for the sins of undeserving mortals, you included.

[seamonster66]

Quote: Such as God Himself undergoing agonizing torture and death to make up for the sins of undeserving mortals, you included.

:confused: I thought the son of god did that

[Sunburst]

Um, woow, you totally did a great job pointing that out! I never actually thought about that before, well I'm convinced. I'm now converted to a full-blown athiest. Thanks!



Oh, btw, he doesn't "send you to hell". He tries to keep you away from hell, Satan tries to send you to hell. Maybe actually try to understand the religion before judging it, hm?

[campbell34]

moon_flower,

"If you really loved your god, you would obey them all. Like you people say 'all things are possible with God.'....am I right?"

-Jesus said that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All things are possible with God, but because of the human element no one except Christ has ever lived a sinless life. And that is the reason He had to die for us. We will someday have a life free of sin, and yes it is possible and will be in God's appointed time not yours.

"This is supposed to make what point? I never claimed I didn't deny God."

"Excuse me, I've read the bible. Cover to cover. It's sad that so many 'Christians' know less about it than I do. You can't even give an educated response to the post, you have to ramble on and on with things that have been said."

Titus 1:16 is about people who claim that they are Christians but through their lifestyle they deny Jesus. Maybe those Christians that know less than you are one of these Christians-only Jesus knows.

I was replying to seamonster66's post, who said the law was manmade.

[TheHammerSpeaks]

"I thought the son of god did that"

Maybe you really don't know anything about Christianity. There is only one God, but God exists in three different persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Christ is just as much God as the Father.

[Sunburst]

Exactly, Hammer!

[mynameiskc]

i'll never understand why perfectly rational people are so offended by people believing in christ's words. now, if someone in particular is getting in your face and being an ass, deal with them. but why would anyone waste their time and energy actively seeking out a place to attack the beliefs of a group of people who wish only to follow the example set by christ and live in love and charity with their neighbors? disagree if you like, i don't mind. tell missionaries who knock on your door to get the hell off your property if you like. but it's just rude and somewhat childish to actively seek to attack someone. it's not like i'm going to buddhist shrines and wiccan meetings to ridicule them.

[BlackBillBlake]

i'll never understand why perfectly rational people are so offended by people believing in christ's words. now, if someone in particular is getting in your face and being an ass, deal with them. but why would anyone waste their time and energy actively seeking out a place to attack the beliefs of a group of people who wish only to follow the example set by christ and live in love and charity with their neighbors? disagree if you like, i don't mind. tell missionaries who knock on your door to get the hell off your property if you like. but it's just rude and somewhat childish to actively seek to attack someone. it's not like i'm going to buddhist shrines and wiccan meetings to ridicule them.
Perhaps its partly that at some level, they do really believe, or want to believe, but they've got the idea its not cool. It is a form of attention seeking perhaps.

[mynameiskc]

i don't sense any particular desire to believe, just anger. anger's fine. just don't go looking to attack someone who hasn't done anything.

[campbell34]

mynameiskc,

"just don't go looking to attack someone who hasn't done anything."

-Everyone dead and living has sinned. The only way to get rid of or wash away these sins are to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Jesus said go out into the world and preach unto every creature. Christians are not trying to attack someone because they are not good. They are out there to try to lead them down a better path.




THE SAVED CHRISTIAN lives under grace with absolute assurance of their reconciliation to God because of their faith in Jesus Christ and His free gift of eternal life.

THE LOST person is lost to God because they have not accepted Gods answer for covering their sin nature. The lost represent a broad range, from the rebellious who seek their own way of dealing with reality in lieu of any religious standard or base, to seekers who sense a terrible void and are looking for some better way to fill their nagging sense of separation from their Creator.

THE DECEIVED person believes they have found the truth and is usually blindly committed to the belief system they have chosen. Websters Dictionary says to deceive is to make (a person) believe what is not true; delude; mislead, to err.

[moon_flower]

i'll never understand why perfectly rational people are so offended by people believing in christ's words. now, if someone in particular is getting in your face and being an ass, deal with them. but why would anyone waste their time and energy actively seeking out a place to attack the beliefs of a group of people who wish only to follow the example set by christ and live in love and charity with their neighbors? disagree if you like, i don't mind. tell missionaries who knock on your door to get the hell off your property if you like. but it's just rude and somewhat childish to actively seek to attack someone. it's not like i'm going to buddhist shrines and wiccan meetings to ridicule them.Because it's fun....?


And, Billy, I definitely do not believe, nor do I wish to believe.

[Real American]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that? How do I feel about your lack of understanding and compassion? Sad. I will say this as a true Christain. There are a lot of things in The Bible that confuse me when reading them. Through prayer and worship these confusing things are cleared up. I pray to God through Jesus. I thank Him for the food He provides me. I thank Him when He allows me fellowship with my friends and family. I thank Him for the gifts in my life, such as my wife and my son, or my parents that adopted me. I thank Him when I see the miracles He has performed in my life. I thank Him when I have the opertunity to spread His word. Like now:

I thankyou Lord for allowing me the abillity to post on these forums and glorify your name. I thank you Lord for carrying me through rough times. I pray Lord for these idividuals that seek only to destroy your name. Bless them Lord and allow the Holy Spirit to fill their lives so that they may enjoy the gift of life you offer. I love you Lord. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

[campbell34]

moon_flower,

"And, Billy, I definitely do not believe, nor do I wish to believe."

-Just like the majority of the world. They refuse to listen and they close their ears. How can you even begin to find truth when you won't even look for it. And if you have search for the truth, specifically the Bible, what is your analysis?

[delphinium]

I find it really sad to read moonflowers posts too, i think she needs to hear that she is a child of God and Jesus loves her no matter what. Those words where whispered in my ear 3 years ago,when i was caught up in the ways of this world and was on a path of self destruction;those words changed my life and brought me back to God.

[seahorse]

brothers and sisters~

if we stop looking at God through the eyes of the world and start looking at him through the eyes of our own hearts, we will begin to see How diverse His nature is. He is what He is. He is the I AM.
Most of the world has hated God for centuries and has not embraced Him or His gospel. Those who do are part of a small flock, because it is harder to be a follower of Christ than not to be. It's harder to swim against the current and admit that we are broken people, in need of a saviour. It's a real challenge (and an adventure of a lifetime)to accept a belief that goes against our selfish and sinful natures.
i dare you to read the Bible again, meditate on it don't rush through it.
blessings

[moon_flower]

moon_flower,

"And, Billy, I definitely do not believe, nor do I wish to believe."

-Just like the majority of the world. They refuse to listen and they close their ears. How can you even begin to find truth when you won't even look for it. And if you have search for the truth, specifically the Bible, what is your analysis?
I have read the bible, I attended church until I was 15 years old. I found the whole thing ridiculous. My analysis of the bible? Have I not made it clear? I think it's a work of fiction. Check out 'anyone can write a book'.

delphinium, you are the kind of person that makes me HATE this religion. I don't need anyone to tell me I am a child of god. You pushing the religion on someone will NOT help the situation.

[mynameiskc]

Because it's fun....?

it's not exactly an original or very productive hobby. have you considered needlework? self-mutilation? painting with your own blood? it would seem to be more in line with all this rage emating from you. but instead, as a good christian, i should probably quit joking and ask you to take up crochet or something.

[moon_flower]

it's not exactly an original or very productive hobby. have you considered needlework? self-mutilation? painting with your own blood? it would seem to be more in line with all this rage emating from you. but instead, as a good christian, i should probably quit joking and ask you to take up crochet or something.
A hobby doesn't have to be original. Look at needlework.
A hobby doesn't have to be productive. Look at stamp collecting.

Self-mutilation isn't fun anymore, I outgrew it.
Painting with my own blood, it's been done. Not a big painting, just a few words/pictures on a piece of small paper.

I don't have rage. Since when is opinion rage?

[delphinium]

youve definatley got some issues there little girl. if you feel im pushing my beliefs on you; thats a matter of perception i guess. I would just like to say that its people like you who make me more grateful and feel even more blessed to have my faith in God.

[Nathan11]

-Everyone dead and living has sinned.

I have never sinned. I will NOT live my life by the ethics of some delusional men that lived in poverty and torture. You know, people are all like "Christ went through agonizing torture for you!"
Bullshit, I didn't ask him too. Also, if he knew he was going to live in Heaven with God, dying on the cross SURE as hell isn't that bad!
In my humble opinion, Lucifer, the Light Bearer, has made more of a sacrefice. He saw what God was doing and he said "Nay! Lord I will not let you make these SHEEP follow you to doom like some kind of sadistic shepard!"
That is why 'Satan' temtpted man. He set them FREE!

Shit, thank HIM!

[mynameiskc]

A hobby doesn't have to be original. Look at needlework.
A hobby doesn't have to be productive. Look at stamp collecting.

Self-mutilation isn't fun anymore, I outgrew it.
Painting with my own blood, it's been done. Not a big painting, just a few words/pictures on a piece of small paper.

I don't have rage. Since when is opinion rage?
so, just another stereotypical teenaged girl trying desperately to pretend you're not. so average. you're right, hobbies don't have to be original. i find the less original a person is, the less original their activities, being defined as they are by a person's imigination, or lack thereof.

[moon_flower]

so, just another stereotypical teenaged girl trying desperately to pretend you're not. so average. you're right, hobbies don't have to be original. i find the less original a person is, the less original their activities, being defined as they are by a person's imigination, or lack thereof.
So, because you suggested the un-original hobbies, you're unoriginal?
Stereo-typical? If having an opinion puts me under a stereo-type, then, yes ma'am, I am.

[mynameiskc]

So, because you suggested the un-original hobbies, you're unoriginal?
Stereo-typical? If having an opinion puts me under a stereo-type, then, yes ma'am, I am.
well, judging by your remarkably unoriginal christian bashing thread, i didn't want to suggest anything that would tax your mental skills. opinions like yours are pretty stereotypical of a person your age. what makes you painfully lacking in originality or interest is the fact that you have to seek out someone to rage at and hurt. it's so old hat.

[moon_flower]

well, judging by your remarkably unoriginal christian bashing thread, i didn't want to suggest anything that would tax your mental skills. opinions like yours are pretty stereotypical of a person your age. what makes you painfully lacking in originality or interest is the fact that you have to seek out someone to rage at and hurt. it's so old hat.
I enjoy my stereo-typical opinions. I've formed them from my experience. I don't have to rage at anyone. I formed an opinion, if it pisses you off, great, if not, great, if it hurt you, great. I got a response, and that's all I was looking for.

[mynameiskc]

glad to do my part to once again entertain a child and deflect your rantings towards myself. it has always been my forte. people are pretty predictible. especially 17 year olds.

[seahorse]

moonflower, you remind me of me when i was 17. Although unlike you, i DID believe in God, yet i would be constantly defending myself, and no one was right unless they were thinking my way.

(You know how everyone looks back at themselves when thier teenagers?
We all realize we sure had growing up to do and we chuckle.)

then i got over it and my heart softened up

i couldn't help it


all the best to you
~blessings~

[moon_flower]

cglad to do my part to once again entertain a child and deflect your rantings towards myself. it has always been my forte. people are pretty predictible. especially 17 year olds.
This is your problem, you don't know how to look past my age. I'm not ignorant because I'm 17.

[moon_flower]

moonflower, you remind me of me when i was 17. Although unlike you, i DID believe in God, yet i would be constantly defending myself, and no one was right unless they were thinking my way.

(You know how everyone looks back at themselves when thier teenagers?
We all realize we sure had growing up to do and we chuckle.)

then i got over it and my heart softened up

i couldn't help it


all the best to you
~blessings~
You're telling me because you didn't know what you believed when you were 17, that I don't?
I didn't say anyone was wrong. I just said I think I'm right. There is a difference.
Again, I may be 17, but that doesn't make me ignorant.

[metro]

i'll never understand why perfectly rational people are so offended by people believing in christ's words. now, if someone in particular is getting in your face and being an ass, deal with them. but why would anyone waste their time and energy actively seeking out a place to attack the beliefs of a group of people who wish only to follow the example set by christ and live in love and charity with their neighbors? disagree if you like, i don't mind. tell missionaries who knock on your door to get the hell off your property if you like. but it's just rude and somewhat childish to actively seek to attack someone. it's not like i'm going to buddhist shrines and wiccan meetings to ridicule them.
I'm speaking for myself here:
How about because nearly every Christian I've ever known has tried to force feed their idiotic religion to me and everyone else. Why the hell do you people insist that everyone adopt your foolish beliefs? Why? Seriously. Do you get extra heaven points or something?

Also the freakin' leaders of our country are trying to force their religion on the whole country by forming laws that adhere to christianity.

You people fight evolution being taught in schools, pornography, Harry Potter!!! and all kinds of other freedoms. It's a little annoying to say the least.
Why do you keep saying Moon_Flower has rage, she hasn't exhibited any in this thread. Disagree if you like, you say? Well that's what she is doing, nothing more. And you do seem to mind.

[moon_flower]

I love you, Metro.:p

[metro]

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[makno]

i can remember thinking that christianity or , whatwver i was seeing , was a phycotic grotesque mass halucination when i was 3 yrs old . i dont know how i would have said it then , but i felt that way ....i felt that way when i was 17 and 37 too!

[Epiphany]

Also the freakin' leaders of our country are trying to force their religion on the whole country by forming laws that adhere to christianity.I find it interesting when people say this. Whether or not people agree with it, our fore fathers were Christian men who placed God above them. It wasn't until recently that anti-Christian factions and activist judges succeeded in changing the public's view. Back then, the gospel was even preached during court room sessions. Church services were held in the House of Representatives and continued until after the civil war.

Don't believe me? Take a look at some of these comments:

"Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry's speech, March 23, 1775

"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn Quaker Preacher and Founder of Pennsylvania

"Rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God." -Thomas Jefferson - Founding Father

"If, to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we afterward defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God." - George Washington,
Founding Father (at the Constitutional Convention, 1787)

"God governs in the affairs of men. If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" -Benjamin Franklin - Founding Father
(at the Constitutional Convention, June 28, 1787)

"[The Sovereign] reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come." - Samuel Adams - Founding Father
(at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, 1776)


I'm glad to see a president that claims to be a Christian and is actually for morality. Nowadays, you only seem to see presidental candidates who claim they are religious, just to please the religious masses, but they oppose certain morals. Our fore fathers are probably turning in their graves as America becomes more and more demoralized with time.

[Real American]

I have read the bible, I attended church until I was 15 years old. I found the whole thing ridiculous. My analysis of the bible? Have I not made it clear? I think it's a work of fiction. Check out 'anyone can write a book'.

delphinium, you are the kind of person that makes me HATE this religion. I don't need anyone to tell me I am a child of god. You pushing the religion on someone will NOT help the situation.Hey genius, you came into this forum, you made this thread, were you expecting or hoping that some would say "wow you are right, take me oh dumb one away from here"? Noone is pushing anything on you here. You came here to attack our God. So...remind me here...who is the dumb one?

Btw, being 17 doesn't make you ignorant, your lack of expirience and understanding does however. Besides, most 15-22 year olds share the mentality and maturity of a 12 year old. I mean, I could compare your immature attacks, your signature, basicly everything you say here, to the actions of my 7 year old son.

[mynameiskc]

I'm speaking for myself here:
How about because nearly every Christian I've ever known has tried to force feed their idiotic religion to me and everyone else. Why the hell do you people insist that everyone adopt your foolish beliefs? Why? Seriously. Do you get extra heaven points or something?

Also the freakin' leaders of our country are trying to force their religion on the whole country by forming laws that adhere to christianity.

You people fight evolution being taught in schools, pornography, Harry Potter!!! and all kinds of other freedoms. It's a little annoying to say the least.
Why do you keep saying Moon_Flower has rage, she hasn't exhibited any in this thread. Disagree if you like, you say? Well that's what she is doing, nothing more. And you do seem to mind.
you're a bigot, and so's moonflower. i've never pushed my faith on anyone. i'm a huge fan of harry potter, believe in psychics to a degree, have my own porn collection and kept a girlfriend for many years. i get annoyed at being bothered at my door by people trying to convert me to some other form or christianity, too. i just tell them to go away. you know why? because i'm a fucking libertarian. you come looking for a fight, you get one. that's what she said she wanted, which was painfully obvious and not unexpected, that's what i gave her. she's got rage. she alwways has. she takes pride in hating everyone. a tired ploy by a bored teenager.

[mynameiskc]

You're telling me because you didn't know what you believed when you were 17, that I don't?
I didn't say anyone was wrong. I just said I think I'm right. There is a difference.
Again, I may be 17, but that doesn't make me ignorant.
moon, you asked for a petty argument. you said you're bashing christians because it's fun. if you want petty arguments i'm more than willing, from time to time, to indulge your boredom. i get bored, too. you say all christians are pushy assholes, i say all teenagers are ignorant brats. whether or not it's true about christians seems to be completely irrelevant to you. but heaven forbid someone attack you just as arbitrarily! if you wanna dish it out, be willing to take it.

the way i see it, we now have two people who were entertained for an evening. typically i find you entertaining, but nothing bugs me worse than seeing nice people attacked out of the blue. i won't stand for it.

[roly]

:D i find it funny how this thread was created to make us christians look stupid...it just made us stronger in our faith, well it did for me...thanks for that blessing!

roly.xxx

[Lilyrayne]

You know, going into a Christianity forum and bashing God is no different than going into a Gay forum and bashing homosexuals. But would THAT be tolerated? Nope.

[Varuna]

I love you, Metro.:p
In MY religion, you just commited an act of God. How do you feel about that?

[seamonster66]

Anyone should be able to defend themselves on here. If some people had it there way, they would simply get rid of every voice that they did not agree with.

[moon_flower]

moon, you asked for a petty argument. you said you're bashing christians because it's fun. if you want petty arguments i'm more than willing, from time to time, to indulge your boredom. i get bored, too. you say all christians are pushy assholes, i say all teenagers are ignorant brats. whether or not it's true about christians seems to be completely irrelevant to you. but heaven forbid someone attack you just as arbitrarily! if you wanna dish it out, be willing to take it.

the way i see it, we now have two people who were entertained for an evening. typically i find you entertaining, but nothing bugs me worse than seeing nice people attacked out of the blue. i won't stand for it.
Christians are pushy assholes.
I see most adults as ignorant. Using big words doesn't make you intelligent.
I didn't attack anyone, I attacked their religion.
I am willing to take it. I'm still here.
The way I see it, I've managed to piss off more than one person, which is just fine with me.
Nice people? You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe.

[moon_flower]

I find it interesting when people say this. Whether or not people agree with it, our fore fathers were Christian men who placed God above them. It wasn't until recently that anti-Christian factions and activist judges succeeded in changing the public's view. Back then, the gospel was even preached during court room sessions. Church services were held in the House of Representatives and continued until after the civil war.

Don't believe me? Take a look at some of these comments:

"Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry's speech, March 23, 1775

"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn Quaker Preacher and Founder of Pennsylvania

"Rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God." -Thomas Jefferson - Founding Father

"If, to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we afterward defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God." - George Washington,
Founding Father (at the Constitutional Convention, 1787)

"God governs in the affairs of men. If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?" -Benjamin Franklin - Founding Father
(at the Constitutional Convention, June 28, 1787)

"[The Sovereign] reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come." - Samuel Adams - Founding Father
(at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, 1776)


I'm glad to see a president that claims to be a Christian and is actually for morality. Nowadays, you only seem to see presidental candidates who claim they are religious, just to please the religious masses, but they oppose certain morals. Our fore fathers are probably turning in their graves as America becomes more and more demoralized with time.This isn't the eighteenth or nineteenth century, ass. The government now preaches about god to no end.

[moon_flower]

Hey genius, you came into this forum, you made this thread, were you expecting or hoping that some would say "wow you are right, take me oh dumb one away from here"? Noone is pushing anything on you here. You came here to attack our God. So...remind me here...who is the dumb one?

Btw, being 17 doesn't make you ignorant, your lack of expirience and understanding does however. Besides, most 15-22 year olds share the mentality and maturity of a 12 year old. I mean, I could compare your immature attacks, your signature, basicly everything you say here, to the actions of my 7 year old son.
I'll remind you, gladly. You are the dumb one.
I came here to tell you what I think about your religion. Like it or lump it.

I suppose that makes me intelligent. I have experience and understanding. I'm guessing you failed to read the part where I have experienced your religion. I do understand it.
Yes, my signature plays a major role in my maturity level. And, everything I say here does as well.:rolleyes:

[roly]

Christians are pushy assholes.
I see most adults as ignorant. Using big words doesn't make you intelligent.
I didn't attack anyone, I attacked their religion.
I am willing to take it. I'm still here.
The way I see it, I've managed to piss off more than one person, which is just fine with me.
Nice people? You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe.

in your flyology you say that alot of people are ignorant...i think its clear that u are infact the ingnorant one. Christians aren't pushy...they're passionate.....i know ur an artist ( ur stuffs pretty awesome btw...)...aren't u passionate about art....? i guess its the same with me as a christian....u
see i dont mean to be pushy....i'm just really passionate about it.

i dont mean to offend u at all.

roly.xxx

[moon_flower]

You know, going into a Christianity forum and bashing God is no different than going into a Gay forum and bashing homosexuals. But would THAT be tolerated? Nope.
But would I do that? Nope.

[moon_flower]

In MY religion, you just commited an act of God. How do you feel about that?
I feel like you're ignorant and pushy.

[moon_flower]

in your flyology you say that alot of people are ignorant...i think its clear that u are infact the ingnorant one. Christians aren't pushy...they're passionate.....i know ur an artist ( ur stuffs pretty awesome btw...)...aren't u passionate about art....? i guess its the same with me as a christian....u
see i dont mean to be pushy....i'm just really passionate about it.

i dont mean to offend u at all.

roly.xxx
I'm ignorant because I have an opinion that doesn't suit you or your religion.
Christians are pushy. Passionate people don't push what they believe on other people. They talk to those passionate about the same thing. Pushy people push.
I am passionate about my art. I don't push it on you or anyone else.
I didn't get offended.

[roly]

I'm ignorant because I have an opinion that doesn't suit you or your religion.
Christians are pushy. Passionate people don't push what they believe on other people. They talk to those passionate about the same thing. Pushy people push.
I am passionate about my art. I don't push it on you or anyone else.
I didn't get offended.

i have never ushed my religion upon you....i have only defended it.
You are ignorant because you haven't asked alot of people exactly WHAT we believe...you have just presumed all christians are the same...you can't slate me if u dont understand me

roly.xxx

[Varuna]

I love you, Metro.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

In MY religion, you just commited an act of God. How do you feel about that?

I feel like you're ignorant and pushy.What did I say that made you feel ignored and pushed?

[Real American]

It is quite obvious moon is seeking attention here because she isn't getting it in her life offline.

I came here to tell you what I think about your religion. Well, you said it, so why are you still here? Ahh yes, attention.

I suppose that makes me intelligent. I have experience and understanding. I'm guessing you failed to read the part where I have experienced your religion. I do understand it.
No, I read it. I still think as I am sure a lot here agree that you are still ignorant in your young age. I mean, you are 17, meaning you were still playing with toys just a few years ago. Also, like you are now, most of us went through our rebelious time. "Oh nobody loves me, I am so misunderstood, I am going to be different just like everybody else". It must really annoy you to find out that others know what you are goign through and understand it because we did it as well.

Here is an idea. Go talk to your parents, tell them you love them. Ask them why they don't pay attention to you.

You call me an asshole because of my faith in God. You don't even know me. You have never met me. Yet, I can pretty much rest assured from the feeling and words you have left here that the term Spoiled Bitch would fit you perfectly. Don't get mad though, I am just expressing my opinion.

Now, sence you have expressed yourself here, you can go. Go on, go chat it up in the "it's ok to be homosexual but not Christain" forums you came from.

[Real American]

Couldn't resist one more thing.

Christians are pushy.
Are blacks dirty?
Are mexicans Iliterate?
Are brunettes easy?
Are jews dumb?
Are artists gay?

I can go on and on here with this type of questioning. Point is, in every group there is a bad egg. Just because you run into a couple doesn't make the rest of them that way. I met this one dumb, dirty, iliterate, gay and easy artists once.....oooooo you must be one too right?

[FreakyJoeMan]

Christians are pushy.
Are blacks dirty?
Are mexicans Iliterate?
Are brunettes easy?
Are jews dumb?
Are artists gay?

Yes, all those are true.

[seamonster66]

but I thought it was blondes who were easy, and that Jews were smart.

It is true that bible literalists are not smart though.

[FreakyJoeMan]

Yeah, I thought that blondes were easy, hippies were dirty, and blacks were dumb! Damn, get yer stereotypes straight, dude!

[Varuna]

I love you, Metro.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif


In MY religion, you just commited an act of God. How do you feel about that?



I feel like you're ignorant and pushy.


What did I say that made you feel ignored and pushed?
Its been a while . . . I feel ignored.

[FreakyJoeMan]

I feel spiffy!

[Lilyrayne]

I feel happy, this thread has honestly made me crack up...

[FreakyJoeMan]

Whas it bout in the first place????

[moon_flower]

It is quite obvious moon is seeking attention here because she isn't getting it in her life offline.[QUOTE]
I get plenty of attention. What does telling you how ignorant your religion is have to do with my attention offline?

[QUOTE]Well, you said it, so why are you still here? Ahh yes, attention.I'm still here because pushy assholes such as yourself, don't want me here.

No, I read it. I still think as I am sure a lot here agree that you are still ignorant in your young age. I mean, you are 17, meaning you were still playing with toys just a few years ago. Also, like you are now, most of us went through our rebelious time. "Oh nobody loves me, I am so misunderstood, I am going to be different just like everybody else". It must really annoy you to find out that others know what you are goign through and understand it because we did it as well. A lot will agree with you, because I pissed them off by attacking their religion. I know people love me. I am not misunderstood. You think that way because you're pissed. Great. WHAT AM I GOING THROUGH? WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POST? NOTHING! That shows You are ignorant.

Here is an idea. Go talk to your parents, tell them you love them. Ask them why they don't pay attention to you.Here's an idea: Mind your business.
Again: What does THIS have to do with the original post. Are you seeking attention?

You call me an asshole because of my faith in God. You don't even know me. You have never met me. Yet, I can pretty much rest assured from the feeling and words you have left here that the term Spoiled Bitch would fit you perfectly. Don't get mad though, I am just expressing my opinion.You call me ignorant because I don't believe in God. You don't even know me. You have never met me. Yet, I can assume from the words you've left here that the term Idiot who can't stay on subject would fit you perfectly. Don't get mad though, I'm just expressing my opinion.
Now, to point out your stupidity. You rant about me not getting enough attention, yet you called me a spoiled bitch. You have to get attention to be spoiled, no?

Now, sence you have expressed yourself here, you can go. Go on, go chat it up in the "it's ok to be homosexual but not Christain" forums you came from.Now, since you can't spell for shit, you can go. Go on, go chat it up in the "It's ok to be an idiot" forum you came from.

[moon_flower]

Couldn't resist one more thing.


Are blacks dirty?
Are mexicans Iliterate?
Are brunettes easy?
Are jews dumb?
Are artists gay?

I can go on and on here with this type of questioning. Point is, in every group there is a bad egg. Just because you run into a couple doesn't make the rest of them that way. I met this one dumb, dirty, iliterate, gay and easy artists once.....oooooo you must be one too right?
What does this have to do with YOU being a pushy asshole? Oh yes, you're trying to make a point.

My point is: Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. You have just again, said something that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

[makno]

everyone has engaged in speculative insults over whats going in in moonflowers life ....have any tried to explain why they believe things billions of people find incredibly bizar and totaly unsubstanciated?

[mynameiskc]

Christians are pushy assholes.
I see most adults as ignorant. Using big words doesn't make you intelligent.
I didn't attack anyone, I attacked their religion.
I am willing to take it. I'm still here.
The way I see it, I've managed to piss off more than one person, which is just fine with me.
Nice people? You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe.
awww, lol, i hurt her feelings and got her all mad. how very sad. show me a big word i used. i wasn't aware i used any. god forbid i shouldn't recognize my audience and communicate properly. this is how i talk, deal with it.

[moon_flower]

You definitely didn't hurt my feelings or piss me off. Sorry to dissapoint you.

[mynameiskc]

But would I do that? Nope.
it's just because you're a bigot, moonflower. it's okay. we forgive you.

[mynameiskc]

Whas it bout in the first place????
i think moon was just bored, and so was i. it's been extremely entertaining.

[moon_flower]

What does being a bigot have to do with my not insulting homosexuals?

[mynameiskc]

What does being a bigot have to do with my not insulting homosexuals?
because you accept one group and hold them above reproach while unilaterally lumping another group together for your hartred, mockery and insults. bigotry.

[metro]

you're a bigot, and so's moonflower. i've never pushed my faith on anyone. i'm a huge fan of harry potter, believe in psychics to a degree, have my own porn collection and kept a girlfriend for many years. i get annoyed at being bothered at my door by people trying to convert me to some other form or christianity, too. i just tell them to go away. you know why? because i'm a fucking libertarian. you come looking for a fight, you get one. that's what she said she wanted, which was painfully obvious and not unexpected, that's what i gave her. she's got rage. she alwways has. she takes pride in hating everyone. a tired ploy by a bored teenager. Ouch, never been called that before. I'm merely going by the majority of Christians I've come across in my life. Also what I read in the paper, see on news, etc. You guys would love the whole world to be Christian, it sickens me. You (when I say you, I mean most Christians collectively) want the laws of this country fashioned after your religion. That's fucked up, we have freedom of religion here and forcing your silly religion on everyone is not acceptable. So many Christians have a holier-than-thou attitude and are very judgemental, makes me want to barf.

I can't tell you how many times I come home to find a brochure or newletter from some religion on my door, how many Bibles people have attempted to hand to me (on a college campus of all places!), or how many people have preached at me practically frothing at the mouth.

If I was to judge, I would say you have more rage than moon.

[FreakyJoeMan]

Okay, problem solver right here: Everybody's human, which means we ALL engage in hatred, bigotry, and all that shit. You can't section off a whole group, and say that they don't posess these characteristics, cause they do, they have to, cause they wouldn't be human without 'em. So EVERYBODY, stop bein so pissy bout it, and jus deal wit it. Though, in the whole "all christians are bigots" she's totally bullshittin.

[metro]

everyone has engaged in speculative insults over whats going in in moonflowers life ....have any tried to explain why they believe things billions of people find incredibly bizar and totaly unsubstanciated?
I'd like to know that too http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

[metro]

I'm glad to see a president that claims to be a Christian and is actually for morality. Nowadays, you only seem to see presidental candidates who claim they are religious, just to please the religious masses, but they oppose certain morals. Our fore fathers are probably turning in their graves as America becomes more and more demoralized with time.
See, this is crap. Only Christians are moral??! Fuck that. I don't need a religion to know right from wrong. I have a conscience. Can't you brain-washed sheep think for yourselves?

[FreakyJoeMan]

"Ouch, never been called that before. I'm merely going by the majority of Christians I've come across in my life. Also what I read in the paper, see on news, etc. You guys would love the whole world to be Christian, it sickens me. You (when I say you, I mean most Christians collectively) want the laws of this country fashioned after your religion. That's fucked up, we have freedom of religion here and forcing your silly religion on everyone is not acceptable. So many Christians have a holier-than-thou attitude and are very judgemental, makes me want to barf."


Of course people think like this!! I can garuntee ya that 4 outta 5 people think that if everybody though like them, the world would be a better place! People are comfortable in uniformity, uniformity is safe. People also need somethin to tye themselves to other people, be it Christianity, or the love of Star Trek, or collectin little troll figurines. If you meet another christian, or star trek fan, or troll collecter, yer prolly gonna hit it off. People like acceptance, that's prolly one of the most basic feelins that peolple have; to be accepted for what they are.

[mynameiskc]

Ouch, never been called that before. I'm merely going by the majority of Christians I've come across in my life. Also what I read in the paper, see on news, etc. You guys would love the whole world to be Christian, it sickens me. You (when I say you, I mean most Christians collectively) want the laws of this country fashioned after your religion. That's fucked up, we have freedom of religion here and forcing your silly religion on everyone is not acceptable. So many Christians have a holier-than-thou attitude and are very judgemental, makes me want to barf.

I can't tell you how many times I come home to find a brochure or newletter from some religion on my door, how many Bibles people have attempted to hand to me (on a college campus of all places!), or how many people have preached at me practically frothing at the mouth.

If I was to judge, I would say you have more rage than moon.
with freedom of religion, why can't someone bring a brochure to you? they're not infringing upon your freedoms in anyway. throw it away, and tell them to shove off. i don't like being approached by strangers of any sort, christian or no. i telll them i don't have time for them and don't want to hear it. i'm not a fan of organized christianity, either. but even if every christian out there would love for you to be a christian, i don't find that insulting. i'd like everyone out there to be a libertarian, but they're not, so i deal with it. how's that harmful to you or how does that hurt you in any way?

as for all christians being pushy, it's totally incorrect, since the only christians making themselves known to you are the pushy ones. there's a huge population of christians out there that will never once make an attempt to infring upon your space and time. and you'll never know it, since they didn't bring themselves to your attention.

as for rage, i answered moon's vehemence with equal force because she said she wanted it. "it's fun" and a reaction "is all i wanted." she brought petty insults looking for petty insults. far be it for me not to indulge her. she's perfectly capable of fending for herself.

go ahead and accept that you're just as bigotted as the average fundie. you've got problems, too.

[metro]

It is quite obvious moon is seeking attention here because she isn't getting it in her life offline.

Well, you said it, so why are you still here? Ahh yes, attention. Ugh. There is absolutely no way anyone can tell what someones life is like offline. What a cop out. This is the type of thing someone says when they cannot adequately defend themselves.

[mynameiskc]

"Ouch, never been called that before. I'm merely going by the majority of Christians I've come across in my life. Also what I read in the paper, see on news, etc. You guys would love the whole world to be Christian, it sickens me. You (when I say you, I mean most Christians collectively) want the laws of this country fashioned after your religion. That's fucked up, we have freedom of religion here and forcing your silly religion on everyone is not acceptable. So many Christians have a holier-than-thou attitude and are very judgemental, makes me want to barf."


Of course people think like this!! I can garuntee ya that 4 outta 5 people think that if everybody though like them, the world would be a better place! People are comfortable in uniformity, uniformity is safe. People also need somethin to tye themselves to other people, be it Christianity, or the love of Star Trek, or collectin little troll figurines. If you meet another christian, or star trek fan, or troll collecter, yer prolly gonna hit it off. People like acceptance, that's prolly one of the most basic feelins that peolple have; to be accepted for what they are.
awesome post, joeman. centered and wise. not as much fun as the rest, though. ;)

[mynameiskc]

Ugh. There is absolutely no way anyone can tell what someones life is like offline. What a cop out. This is the type of thing someone says when they cannot adequately defend themselves.
i pretty much just read moon's bio thingie where she said "i pretty much hate everyone." well, shit, i did when i was 17, too.

[FreakyJoeMan]

"Our fore fathers are probably turning in their graves as America becomes more and more demoralized with time"

And fuck this shit as well! First of all, the fuckin white people who first colonized north america were seekin refuge from religious persecution! This country is the free-est on the planet, we have one of the most expansive liberty-systems in the world. The way I see it, this is great, more freedom to experiance. This is what the constitution, the bill of rights is all about. We are grantin people their, as you guys would say, their God given rights to experiance what life holds. Be it homosexuality, or athiesm, or single motherhood, or ownin a small buisness, or being on a reality show, or runnin fer president.

[metro]

as for all christians being pushy, it's totally incorrect, since the only christians making themselves known to you are the pushy ones. there's a huge population of christians out there that will never once make an attempt to infring upon your space and time. and you'll never know it, since they didn't bring themselves to your attention. I've never been approached by anyone from any other religion. Ever. It affects many people's lives, homosexuals, scientists, etc. Give up your quest, the whole world will never adopt this religion.

[mynameiskc]

yeah, like my sig quote says, if democrats and republicans could read, they'd be libertarians. you can't just go re-writing the constitution and the bill of rights to justify and litigate your subjective, religious morality. there's certain things that all sane civilized people can agree with, no murder, no stealing, no beatings. it's pretty simple to me.

[metro]

i pretty much just read moon's bio thingie where she said "i pretty much hate everyone." well, shit, i did when i was 17, too. Well you can infer things from someones bio, but it's really difficult to make clear judgements of someones life even considering their posts. But I suppose you can attack their online persona if you'd like.

[mynameiskc]

I've never been approached by anyone from any other religion. Ever. It affects many people's lives, homosexuals, scientists, etc. Give up your quest, the whole world will never adopt this religion.
i have no quest. i've never been a proseletyzer (sp?) or missionary. your soul is your business. i figure if someone wants to know about my faith, they'll ask me when they're ready. but at the same time, my entire concept of freedom of religion requires me to defend the rights of JW's and Mormon's and all the rest of the missionary types to go about their business. as for not being approached by people of other faiths, and people of other faiths, what about moon coming here and telling people off for daring to hold a different philosophy than her's? that doesn't strike you as an invasion? that doesn't count as a missionary? it's tantamount to some baptist fundie wierdo racing over to the gay and lesbian forum and calling them all evil.

[mynameiskc]

Well you can infer things from someones bio, but it's really difficult to make clear judgements of someones life even considering their posts. But I suppose you can attack their online persona if you'd like.
my online persona attacked her online persona. se calls all christians ignorant and pushy, i call all teeenagers ignorant and bratty. seems like a fair trade to me.

[metro]

i have no quest. i've never been a proseletyzer (sp?) or missionary. your soul is your business. i figure if someone wants to know about my faith, they'll ask me when they're ready. but at the same time, my entire concept of freedom of religion requires me to defend the rights of JW's and Mormon's and all the rest of the missionary types to go about their business. as for not being approached by people of other faiths, and people of other faiths, what about moon coming here and telling people off for daring to hold a different philosophy than her's? that doesn't strike you as an invasion? that doesn't count as a missionary? it's tantamount to some baptist fundie wierdo racing over to the gay and lesbian forum and calling them all evil. Well, some Chsitians seem to have a quest, I didn't mean you specifically.
I have no problem discussing religion (or politics), I love it in fact. Just talking about it, not someone preaching to you.
Online is different too, this post can be ignored. So can gay-bashing or racist posts.

[mynameiskc]

you know, metro, i love discussions, too. but this started out with one girl being bratty because she was bored and wanted some fun. can you stand aside and watch some perfectly decent people being insulted and treated badly just because someone's bored? or are you gonna jump in there?

[metro]

mynameiskc-
I have no problem with you jumping in and defending your religion. Many who responded though only attacked her personally, but said nothing to defend the religion. Her first post was not really insulting. I thought it was funny, though I don't expect you guys to. Just from my experiences with Christians, I've lost patience and think it's humorous when it's shoved back in your faces now and then. I know there are Christians out there that are nice and not assertive when it comes to religion, but I've dealt with too many who are to ignore it.

[mynameiskc]

lol. of course i attacked her personally. it was the point of the entire lesson. but like i was saying earlier, i'll bet you know quite a few christians that you would never peg as christian, because we're low key people. many of us, myself included, do not consider christianity to be the only way, rather, one fo the ways, one that makes sense to us. we're not the least bit offended by someone being and atheist or hindu or whatnot, because we understand there's a great deal about the spiritual world that we don't understand. it's okay. what i dislike intensely is people thinking that we need ANYTHING thrown BACK in our faces since we never threw anything in the first place. pick your fights, go to some fundie "i hate homos" site.

[metro]

since we never threw anything in the first place. It's being thrown at us constantly. Well, perhaps you don't notice it and it doesn't alarm you, but I see it everywhere. I could list many personal instances, but it would take forever and no one probably wants to hear it.

[moon_flower]

you know, metro, i love discussions, too. but this started out with one girl being bratty because she was bored and wanted some fun. can you stand aside and watch some perfectly decent people being insulted and treated badly just because someone's bored? or are you gonna jump in there?
I wasn't bored.

It's constructive criticism. Learn it, love it.

[moon_flower]

lol. of course i attacked her personally. it was the point of the entire lesson. but like i was saying earlier, i'll bet you know quite a few christians that you would never peg as christian, because we're low key people. many of us, myself included, do not consider christianity to be the only way, rather, one fo the ways, one that makes sense to us. we're not the least bit offended by someone being and atheist or hindu or whatnot, because we understand there's a great deal about the spiritual world that we don't understand. it's okay. what i dislike intensely is people thinking that we need ANYTHING thrown BACK in our faces since we never threw anything in the first place. pick your fights, go to some fundie "i hate homos" site.
You attacked me personally because you couldn't defend what you're about. You didn't teach me a lesson.

[Epiphany]

This isn't the eighteenth or nineteenth century, ass. The government now preaches about god to no end.

I find it amusing when people feel the need to swear to make a point.

[metro]

I find it amusing when people feel the need to swear to make a point.
What the fuck are you talking about?

j/k http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Real American]

Yes, I still think she likes the attention, otherwise, she would have left this when she made her point...well, I can't even call it a point, more like a jumbled up rage of emotions.

Yes, you can see a person in the words that they write. Of course it is all speculation until you actualy meet the person, but I would have to say 95% of the time, a persons writings are a direct link to that persons mind and being.

Noone is attacking moon here. She came in here for "entertainment" and in her last posts it seems she is a little upset she didn't get what she wanted. I think it is very sad that she says she understands Christianity and yet thinks that if you don't follow the 10 commandments you will go to hell. That right there shows her ignorance.

Also, being spoiled does not mean that you get the attention you need in your life. Being spoiled means you have recieved everything you have ever wanted without having to work for it therefor allowing you to not respect anything, because you get what you want reguardless.

The more you type the more you show your ignorance. The more you type the more you show your imaturity. I am not humored by this. I think it is sad that someone has to go through life like that. Who hurt you? What happened in your life that causes you to have so much anger towards me?

OH yes, the Christain belief is not forced on you. No, forcing it on you would be putting a gun to your head and asking; "do you admit that yo uare a sinner? Do you accept Jesus into your life? Will you do the will of God?" and if you said no, pulling the trigger. The last time a Jehovas Witness came to my door, I don't recall them pointing a gun towards me. No, I recall talking with them and pulling out my Bible and pointing out things that proved their religion wrong. But nothing was forced. They gave me a mormon book, got on their bikes, and rode away. Again, moon calls us pushy because we defend our beliefs here. Once again, I didn't force her to attack me or what I believe. I didn't make her post a thread here. She did it on her own free will. She could have just as easily shut up and not said anything. I am willing to bet that if I started a thread and called it "All homosexuals are evil" she would jump in there and defend herself or her beliefs. Gues I am not allowed to huh? I am done with you God hating self worshipers. I will pray for you, I'll let God handle the rest.

[moon_flower]

I find it amusing when people feel the need to swear to make a point.

Fuck fuck fuck. Point made?

[dhs]

the last time jehova's witnesses came to my door, I ran out the door right past them nekid. I was taking a shower and when I got out realized that my sun roof was down and it had started pouring rain. so, i ran down the stairs and out the door as they were about to ring the door bell. when I got back to the front steps, I said, may I help you - and they both looked at me in my birthday suit and said - we doubt you're interested.

true story


Ok carry on with your arguements folks, just figured I'd lighten the mood a little.

[moon_flower]

Yes, I still think she likes the attention, otherwise, she would have left this when she made her point...well, I can't even call it a point, more like a jumbled up rage of emotions.

Yes, you can see a person in the words that they write. Of course it is all speculation until you actualy meet the person, but I would have to say 95% of the time, a persons writings are a direct link to that persons mind and being.

Noone is attacking moon here. She came in here for "entertainment" and in her last posts it seems she is a little upset she didn't get what she wanted. I think it is very sad that she says she understands Christianity and yet thinks that if you don't follow the 10 commandments you will go to hell. That right there shows her ignorance.

Also, being spoiled does not mean that you get the attention you need in your life. Being spoiled means you have recieved everything you have ever wanted without having to work for it therefor allowing you to not respect anything, because you get what you want reguardless.

The more you type the more you show your ignorance. The more you type the more you show your imaturity. I am not humored by this. I think it is sad that someone has to go through life like that. Who hurt you? What happened in your life that causes you to have so much anger towards me?

OH yes, the Christain belief is not forced on you. No, forcing it on you would be putting a gun to your head and asking; "do you admit that yo uare a sinner? Do you accept Jesus into your life? Will you do the will of God?" and if you said no, pulling the trigger. The last time a Jehovas Witness came to my door, I don't recall them pointing a gun towards me. No, I recall talking with them and pulling out my Bible and pointing out things that proved their religion wrong. But nothing was forced. They gave me a mormon book, got on their bikes, and rode away. Again, moon calls us pushy because we defend our beliefs here. Once again, I didn't force her to attack me or what I believe. I didn't make her post a thread here. She did it on her own free will. She could have just as easily shut up and not said anything. I am willing to bet that if I started a thread and called it "All homosexuals are evil" she would jump in there and defend herself or her beliefs. Gues I am not allowed to huh? I am done with you God hating self worshipers. I will pray for you, I'll let God handle the rest.
Why can't you shut up? You're not making a point.

[moon_flower]

the last time jehova's witnesses came to my door, I ran out the door right past them nekid. I was taking a shower and when I got out realized that my sun roof was down and it had started pouring rain. so, i ran down the stairs and out the door as they were about to ring the door bell. when I got back to the front steps, I said, may I help you - and they both looked at me in my birthday suit and said - we doubt you're interested.

true story


Ok carry on with your arguements folks, just figured I'd lighten the mood a little.

Hahahahahaha. That's awesome.

[Epiphany]

Why can't you shut up? You're not making a point.
Actually he was making a point. If you didn't want responses to your post, then why did you bother posting?

[moon_flower]

Actually he was making a point. If you didn't want responses to your post, then why did you bother posting?
He's a rambling idiot.

[makno]

i read that twice he made no point , unless your talkin about 10 commandments , and he didnt finish it thankfully wether the imaginary jesus forgives your imagined sins or the imaginary jehova crushes you in imagined jealosy and rage ....all this means nothing to people who are not sharing your phycotic delusion

[mynameiskc]

It's being thrown at us constantly. Well, perhaps you don't notice it and it doesn't alarm you, but I see it everywhere. I could list many personal instances, but it would take forever and no one probably wants to hear it.
other people cultural and philisophical beliefs are being thrown at EVERYONE by EVERYONE. the only ones you don't notice being thrown at you are the ones you agree with. someone who doesn't agree with them isn't nearly so casual about it.

[mynameiskc]

I wasn't bored.

It's constructive criticism. Learn it, love it.
you need to read up on how to have a civil discussion. perhaps with a few years time and some education, perhaps some meds, you'll be able to learn how to start a civil conversation. perhaps, also, you'll be able to learn to own up to your own bad behavior instead of blaming someone else for it.

[mynameiskc]

You attacked me personally because you couldn't defend what you're about. You didn't teach me a lesson.
i attacked you personally because i didn't feel the need to defend anything. but i wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend that. you don't actually read or understand anything anyone says here, you just looked for an excuse to be nasty. once you did that, the gloves were off. you deserved every single personal attack you received. if you were a quality person genuinely coming here to discuss your lack of belief in god, you woulda got a different discussion altogether. you've never ever seen me attack someone for being an athiest or anything. but being a mean spirited twit? that makes you fair game.

[Lilyrayne]

Ok... I think everyone needs to take a deep breath...

People are going to have their own individual beliefs. Whether or not you think that people who believe differently from you are wrong, neither of you are gonig to get anywhere by insulting each other like this. I can see a lot of things that both "sides" to this argument could have not done or done to keep the peace...

Why not just agree to disagree? The non-Christians said what they felt and the Christians said what they felt. It should have either ended there, or had a mature grown up conversation about the differenes of beliefs. There was no need for anyone to insult anyone else. Maybe an immature person started, but the supposedly "mature" people didn't do much better by responding the way that the "immature" person wanted.

No one is going to change their minds to anyone else's beliefs, especially not in THIS thread when everyone is shooting kinves from their fingers at everyone else. It doesn't matter that you feel other people's beliefs are wrong because they aren't like yours... the fact is there are going to be people in the world that believe a lot of different things than you. Do you really think that the way to prove your point or even try to change their minds is by being catty and rude, and only creating enemies of each other?

To the Christians in this thread, no wonder we have such a bad name amongst non-Christians, look at the way some of you have behaved... If I wasn't a Christian, this would make me wary of Christianity too! Especially if I didn't know what it was all about! As Christians, we are to try to be like Christ... including loving and accepting others despite their being wrong in our eyes. I saw a lot of reactions from Christians here that were anything but. There is a lot to learn about any religion, and if this is the first thing people see when they look Christianity's way, then no freakin' WONDER we get a bad rap!

The other side of the coin: As for the non-Christians in this thread, you should be ashamed of yourselves too. The same applies to you. If you think we are wrong, attacking us like this certainly isn't gonna change our minds. No wonder we think YOUR beliefs are wrong, look at the way you act! I don't know any GOOD religion that pratices intolerance of anyone, not even Chrsitianity as some of you would love to believe. I happen to know a thing or two about many other religions, and one of the most basic fundamental beliefs of most of them is love and acceptance, just like with Christianity. So you're not doing any favors for YOUR beliefs either!

This isn't even about what religion is right anymore. This has turned into a huge fight in which eveyrone is cutting everyone else down personally. This is a "Let's see who can win the insults contest" fight! It's pointless and stupid, and I can already see it leading to creating a lot of rivals on this board, and in hipforums in general, and it's really not necessary. I know that most of you, regardless of your beliefs, in your hearts don't WANT to create enemies, at least I should hope so.

I would hate to think that because of what this one thread has spiraled into, there could be uneccesary tension between the two "sides" in other related or even unrelated forums or threads... Yeah, we all believe different things and may think that other's beliefs are stupid, but this isn't the way to go about it. We can still be friends. Let go of your pride and just agree to disagree... let's not create enemies people... that isn't what this place is about.

[mynameiskc]

i read that twice he made no point , unless your talkin about 10 commandments , and he didnt finish it thankfully wether the imaginary jesus forgives your imagined sins or the imaginary jehova crushes you in imagined jealosy and rage ....all this means nothing to people who are not sharing your phycotic delusion
there were two points being made there for anyone not so angry about the entire concept of this "delusion" to read it would notice. the first being the she claims to understand the christian faith, but still thinks that if you don't follow the 10 commandments, you're still going to hell. the second being that no one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to convert.

i suppose another good point would be, if you've really got a problem with those damned missionaries, tell them to fuck off! word gets around and they don't bother you any more. my house hasn't been attacked by missionaries in a couple years.

[mynameiskc]

and bree, i get your point. that's because you're a sweetheart. but i will never be albe to sit back and let people be attacked by someone who just wants to hurt people's feeling because it's fun. i've come here and read all sorts of discussions that were reallly great and thought provoking, especially in the agnosticism and atheism board. have you ever once seen me attack someone for not believing as i do? of course not, because that doesn't bother me. but the only thing nastiness understands is nastiness. moon wanted a fight, she got one. i'm kc, i'm not jesus.


but don't worry, i've never been the sort to stalk people across the forums. my disagreements stay where they start. i'll still enjoy metro and makno, and moon's sick and twisted sense of humor will still make me chuckle cringingly.

[Real American]

Sorry bree, but I will not back down just to make someone's life easier. I did not start this thread. I simply took my intelect and put it towards her anger. As for the others that want to join in on the attack, I find them as just more sand paper in my life. I start out as a rough piece of wood, through God and His plan, the people and things that come into my life smooth out the rough edges of me to make me a better person. I do not agree to disagree. She came in here for attention and to start a fight. Obviously the roles have been reversed on her as her comments have become shorter everytime. It is obvious to me that she no longer has anything inteligent to say and is just grasping at whatever her feeble mind can hold onto. I repeat, I will not back down for the sake of someone's stupidity.

[metro]

No one is going to change their minds to anyone else's beliefs, especially not in THIS thread when everyone is shooting kinves from their fingers at everyone else. It doesn't matter that you feel other people's beliefs are wrong because they aren't like yours... the fact is there are going to be people in the world that believe a lot of different things than you. Do you really think that the way to prove your point or even try to change their minds is by being catty and rude, and only creating enemies of each other? There seems to be a lot more Christians who want to convert people to their religion than atheists converting Christians to theirs.


To the Christians in this thread, no wonder we have such a bad name amongst non-Christians, look at the way some of you have behaved... If I wasn't a Christian, this would make me wary of Christianity too! Especially if I didn't know what it was all about! As Christians, we are to try to be like Christ... including loving and accepting others despite their being wrong in our eyes. I saw a lot of reactions from Christians here that were anything but. There is a lot to learn about any religion, and if this is the first thing people see when they look Christianity's way, then no freakin' WONDER we get a bad rap! No, I assure you that you guys don't have a bad rap because of your behavior in this thread. It's because so many of you press your religion on others and are trying to adhere our constitution (the U.S.'s) to your religion and that's wrong.


The other side of the coin: As for the non-Christians in this thread, you should be ashamed of yourselves too. The same applies to you. If you think we are wrong, attacking us like this certainly isn't gonna change our minds. No wonder we think YOUR beliefs are wrong, look at the way you act! I don't know any GOOD religion that pratices intolerance of anyone, not even Chrsitianity as some of you would love to believe. I happen to know a thing or two about many other religions, and one of the most basic fundamental beliefs of most of them is love and acceptance, just like with Christianity. So you're not doing any favors for YOUR beliefs either! I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I love and accept unless people give me a reason not to. I don't dislike someone simply because they are Christian. You can't judge someone based on their behavior in one thread on an online forum.


I can already see it leading to creating a lot of rivals on this board, and in hipforums in general, and it's really not necessary. I know that most of you, regardless of your beliefs, in your hearts don't WANT to create enemies, at least I should hope so.

I would hate to think that because of what this one thread has spiraled into, there could be uneccesary tension between the two "sides" in other related or even unrelated forums or threads... Yeah, we all believe different things and may think that other's beliefs are stupid, but this isn't the way to go about it. We can still be friends. Let go of your pride and just agree to disagree... let's not create enemies people... that isn't what this place is about. I absolutely do not hold grudges. I can have a venomous online "fight", but I don't hold it against that person. I enjoy debate, probably too much. I know some of my posts are abrasive, but it doesn't mean I hate you or whatever. I like hearing from the other side, whether it be religion, politics or whatever. Tension dissolves quickly for me and I have no pride here.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[moon_flower]

KC, I read and understood everyone's posts. I don't need to read up on how to have a civil conversation. I know how. I'm not attacking anyone personally. You are. Perhaps you should read up on how to have a civilized conversation.

[moon_flower]

Sorry bree, but I will not back down just to make someone's life easier. I did not start this thread. I simply took my intelect and put it towards her anger. As for the others that want to join in on the attack, I find them as just more sand paper in my life. I start out as a rough piece of wood, through God and His plan, the people and things that come into my life smooth out the rough edges of me to make me a better person. I do not agree to disagree. She came in here for attention and to start a fight. Obviously the roles have been reversed on her as her comments have become shorter everytime. It is obvious to me that she no longer has anything inteligent to say and is just grasping at whatever her feeble mind can hold onto. I repeat, I will not back down for the sake of someone's stupidity.Again, I don't have anger. Can you prove to me that this thread was started out of rage or anger? I don't think you can.
I didn't come in here for attention or to start a fight. I came in here hoping to find some intelligent people. Obviously, this was the wrong place. Besides KC, none of you have even remotely touched the subject. (Opposition)
My comments have become shorter every time because you rambling idiots all say the same things.
You do not have to back down for someone's stupidity. Back down for your own stupidity.

[moon_flower]

I would hate to think that because of what this one thread has spiraled into, there could be uneccesary tension between the two "sides" in other related or even unrelated forums or threads... Yeah, we all believe different things and may think that other's beliefs are stupid, but this isn't the way to go about it. We can still be friends. Let go of your pride and just agree to disagree... let's not create enemies people... that isn't what this place is about.I don't hold grudges against anyone who's posted here. What is said here, stays here.

[TeddyBoy]

I am deep into Hinduism. It's very intelligent religion. I mean Bhagavad Gita, meditation. Is ther anybody who#s into it too.

and meantime I got some growing interest to Rastafari religion. But there s almost no information about Rastafari Teaching. I ve got only Bob Marley lyrics and a picture of Selasi, but I think it s more than enough to start, isn#t it?:)

[roly]

What does this have to do with YOU being a pushy asshole? Oh yes, you're trying to make a point.

My point is: Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. You have just again, said something that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

Your point is shut up?
loving the insults! keep 'em coming....hey guys?! shall i get in the popcorn?

roly.xxx

[roly]

the last time jehova's witnesses came to my door, I ran out the door right past them nekid. I was taking a shower and when I got out realized that my sun roof was down and it had started pouring rain. so, i ran down the stairs and out the door as they were about to ring the door bell. when I got back to the front steps, I said, may I help you - and they both looked at me in my birthday suit and said - we doubt you're interested.

true story


Ok carry on with your arguements folks, just figured I'd lighten the mood a little.

thats hilarious! nice! :D

roly.xxx

[mynameiskc]

KC, I read and understood everyone's posts. I don't need to read up on how to have a civil conversation. I know how. I'm not attacking anyone personally. You are. Perhaps you should read up on how to have a civilized conversation.
you're so totally in denial. that's fine. have a nice swim.

[mynameiskc]

on a side note, i had a couple boys come to my door, mormons. they woke up my baby, which really pissed me off. when i answered the door, and they started their schpeil, i told them that my daughter was the second coming, and that she'd be coming to their door as soon as she could walk. i've been blacklisted ever since.

[seamonster66]

awesome fight

go christian defenders vs haters

eradicate and terminate and enunciate

[mynameiskc]

it was a good time. i hadn't had a good childish bicker in quite a while. had a lot to get off my back. i feel like i've lost 10 pounds.

[seamonster66]

whats religion for, if not for helping you lose weight


PRAISE JESUS, ALLAH, BUDDAH, and the others

[moon_flower]

you're so totally in denial. that's fine. have a nice swim.
No. I'm not.
:)

[mynameiskc]

Are Too! Are Too! Are Too! Are Too! Times Infiniti Plus One! ;)

[moon_flower]

Am not! Am not! Am not! Am not! Times infinity plus two!:)

[Varuna]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?
So, what does your religion teach you?

[mynameiskc]

Am not! Am not! Am not! Am not! Times infinity plus two!:)

yer a stinkibutt flathead.

[moon_flower]

yer a stinkibutt flathead.
You're a big smelly doodiehead. :H

[mynameiskc]

you eat farts.

[moon_flower]

I can't help it. I love them to death, scabeater.

[mynameiskc]

i can't resist the crunch! nose-picker. you eat boogers.

[FreakyJoeMan]

Stop fightin you two! Before I thwack ya upside yer heads witha rolled up magazine!

[moon_flower]

I like the salty flavor!

JoeMan, if you hit me with a rolled up paper, I'll cut your balls off.

[mynameiskc]

Stop fightin you two! Before I thwack ya upside yer heads witha rolled up magazine!
which mag? i bite, you mop-head! ;)

[moon_flower]

If it's playboy or hustler, I might let you hit me with it, so long as I can have it when you're done hitting me.


Shut up you cooter-cheese eater.

[mynameiskc]

moon can have the playboy, i want the hustler, as long as the pages aren't stuck together.


crust-face.

[moon_flower]

They are stuck together, that's the only pussy JoeMan can get.

Pussy-face.

[Christianwriter]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?

From a Christian's viewpoint, I'll explain.

God is not an "invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do." God is a supreme being and well, He does watch us but He gives us free will. In other words, He didn't create us to be complete robots. He created us to serve Him and to have a better life for ourselves.

God loves us and DOES NOT WANT us to burn in hell forever. That's why He gives us so many chances to accept Him. You wonder why a loving God "sends" people to hell?

God doesn't send people to hell; people send themselves there because they rejected Him. To find more answers to your questions, go here --->http://www.christiananswers.net/menu-at1.html.

CW

[moon_flower]

From a Christian's viewpoint, I'll explain.

God is not an "invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do." God is a supreme being and well, He does watch us but He gives us free will. In other words, He didn't create us to be complete robots. He created us to serve Him and to have a better life for ourselves.So, you can see God?

God loves us and DOES NOT WANT us to burn in hell forever. That's why He gives us so many chances to accept Him. You wonder why a loving God "sends" people to hell?[/QUOTRE]
I wonder why, if your God wanted you to be with him, why he would set such ignorant limitations on what you can and cannot do. He's so jealous and unforgiving, why chance setting those rules.

[QUOTE]God doesn't send people to hell; people send themselves there because they rejected Him. To find more answers to your questions, go here --->http://www.christiananswers.net/menu-at1.html.

CWNo, God sends them to hell. I know people who believe don't die and go "Oh, I think I'd like to send myself to hell, sorry God."

[seamonster66]

See moon flower, thats what so awesome about Christians, they "know" unknowable things, they are just superior people who have believed exactly what they were taught from day 1, never questioned it......because they can guarantee it is fact somehow.

[Christianwriter]

See moon flower, thats what so awesome about Christians, they "know" unknowable things, they are just superior people who have believed exactly what they were taught from day 1, never questioned it......because they can guarantee it is fact somehow.

Trust me, I've questioned scripture before. I've had my doubts. And I don't claim to be "superior," like you say. I don't claim to know every fact about the Bible.

But about the Bible being factual. You might want to check up on www.christiananswers.net., www.icr.org., or www.drdino.com. They've got good info. on the Christian faith, science, religion, etc. Since I don't know everything, I'm directing you to something that might answer questions.

A good book to read would be C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity." It's a little complicated but it should help you out.

CW

P.S. No one can see God but we can all see His creation...the planet earth :)

[seamonster66]

Tell me this Christian writer, what is the difference between someone who was raised a strict muslim, hindu, buddhist, or Christian. they all believe that they are reading the word of god, do you think that the others are damned because they believe something different than you.


What if they were never even exposed to Christianity, would they go to hell?
Is it deserving that just because someone doesn't believe a revised text dating back thousands of years to be the word of god, that they should go to hell?

What if they lead a perfectly moral life without any religion, should they be damned because they didn't believe a rather far fetched story?

Christianity is simply base on fear.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are benefits from studying it, and i agree with the 10 commandments and treating people with compassion but......

To be a bible literalist seems to be like being mentally ill, with no perspective whatsoever of the rest of the world.

[moon_flower]

See moon flower, thats what so awesome about Christians, they "know" unknowable things, they are just superior people who have believed exactly what they were taught from day 1, never questioned it......because they can guarantee it is fact somehow.
Oh, yes. Thank you, once again, seamonster, for letting me in on these 'gifts' of one such group of people. :)

[cerridwen]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.
A lot of religions are like that... point being?

[barefootnikki]

You people fight evolution being taught in schools, pornography, Harry Potter!!! and all kinds of other freedoms.
"You people".... i'm not even all the way thru this thread and i've seen it 3 times now (2 anti-Christian, 1 Christian). You people. One of the most dividing phrases ever.

As a side note (for this quote from Metro)... since i am *Christian* i guess i am one of "you people" but i eagerly await each HP book and am always telling others about them, i like porn, and i sure as shit don't fight revolution being taught. So, for this "you people" you are way off. Yes, there are all types of people in the world and that includes Christians. Different people, different views, diff likes and dislikes... blah blah blah.

peace
barefootnikki

[mynameiskc]

Tell me this Christian writer, what is the difference between someone who was raised a strict muslim, hindu, buddhist, or Christian. they all believe that they are reading the word of god, do you think that the others are damned because they believe something different than you.

-there's a scripture where christ makes mention of being weighed on your knowledge. sounds fair to me. if you're raised in some faith that refutes christianity, well, shit, man, wouldn't be fair to judge you on that, now would it? i don't think that'll happen.


What if they were never even exposed to Christianity, would they go to hell?
Is it deserving that just because someone doesn't believe a revised text dating back thousands of years to be the word of god, that they should go to hell?

-see above.

What if they lead a perfectly moral life without any religion, should they be damned because they didn't believe a rather far fetched story?

Christianity is simply base on fear.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are benefits from studying it, and i agree with the 10 commandments and treating people with compassion but......

To be a bible literalist seems to be like being mentally ill, with no perspective whatsoever of the rest of the world.
there's also my understanding of hell merely being death, a seperation from god. not some fiery torturous torment. i rather like the idea of purgatory. i mean, honestly, if you've got a kid in your house actively bringing the others down, do you keep them around? or do you kick their loser violent ass out?

[barefootnikki]

i mean, honestly, if you've got a kid in your house actively bringing the others down, do you keep them around? or do you kick their loser violent ass out?
You would kick your own kid out??

[Kharakov]

Tell me this Christian writer, what is the difference between someone who was raised a strict muslim, hindu, buddhist, or Christian. they all believe that they are reading the word of god, do you think that the others are damned because they believe something different than you. As long as the person knows that their path was created for them by God they are gonna be all right- they should be able to acknowledge that the other paths were created by God as well.

What if they were never even exposed to Christianity, would they go to hell? I have been to hell and it was a purifying experience. There is a reason that there are preachers out there who say everyone will go to hell.

What if they lead a perfectly moral life without any religion, should they be damned because they didn't believe a rather far fetched story? It's more of a childish guilty feeling than anything else. You just feel like you had all these chances to be sweet to someone who cared so much for you and you instead denied that they existed or were taking care of you so you damn yourself... until you realize the foolishness of your actions and happily run back to your creator.

Christianity is simply base on fear. Fear of love lost.

To be a bible literalist seems to be like being mentally ill, with no perspective whatsoever of the rest of the world. Or the 'rest of the world' is mentally ill and has turned away from heaven and God is patiently guiding people back into a relationship with God.

[seamonster66]

Stupid answers to my questions, if your god denies entry into heaven to good people, then fuck your god.

[BlackBillBlake]

It's easy to say 'Christianity is based on fear''. And just as easy to say 'Christianity is based on hope'.

Christian mystics in past ages claimed the basis of their Christianity was experience of non-ordinary states of being.
Thats really of more interest.

[Kharakov]

Stupid answers to my questions,Your lack of understanding shows.
if your god denies entry into heaven to good peopleDid I say that?
, then fuck your god.I would if I could.

[roly]

Stupid answers to my questions, if your god denies entry into heaven to good people, then fuck your god.

God dictates what is good. We were created by him therefore we are his. He will only deny people who deny him. God does not deny entrance to heaven to good people. He is just and fair. And it is very offensive to swear against someones deity. This is only my opinion.

roly.xxx

[seamonster66]

you are not responding to my questions


your god is petty, if two people had led the exact same life only one believed in jesus and the other was agnostic, believing in something but not sure what, your god would deny the one who was unsure while letting the other one in.

that is moronic.

Even better

If one christian sinned and repented, and a non-christian led a perfectly moral life, then the sinner would get in and the non-sinner wouldn't.

What a load of shit that religion is, its divisive, its based on fear, and most of all it's primitive.

What should matter is strictly how good a person is, end of story.

[moon_flower]

A lot of religions are like that... point being?
Name them.

[Christianwriter]

you are not responding to my questions


your god is petty, if two people had led the exact same life only one believed in jesus and the other was agnostic, believing in something but not sure what, your god would deny the one who was unsure while letting the other one in.

that is moronic.

Even better

If one christian sinned and repented, and a non-christian led a perfectly moral life, then the sinner would get in and the non-sinner wouldn't.

What a load of that religion is, its divisive, its based on fear, and most of all it's primitive.

What should matter is strictly how good a person is, end of story.
You see, both the believer and the non-believer are both sinners. You cannot be good enough to get to Heaven, you can't work your way there, and you cannot buy your way there. The only way to Heaven is Christ Jesus. Christ said that "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the Father except through Me." We, as humans, have a tendency to sin because of what happened with Adam and Eve back in the Garden of Good and Evil. It's in our nature so we aren't truly "good" people.

Like you mentioned earlier, the sinner who repented will go to Heaven, but the "moral" non-believer won't. Non-believers would imply that this is simply not fair. That is true, however, if God were fair, ALL OF US would be in Hell now. He doesn't want us to go to Hell. That's why He gave us the choice to accept Christ as our savior so that we may go to Heaven.

Now you may think, "well, if I'm going to hell, then I'll be with all my friends." Well, you won't. Hell is real and it is not fun. It is eternal separation from God and your friends.

I'm not trying to scare you and I'm not trying to sound "smarter" than you all but that's the reality. If you don't like what I say, don't shoot me. I'm just the mail carrier. Take it up with God.

But if one becomes a Christian, there is freedom from sin and eternity with God in Heaven forever :) All you gotta do is admit to God that you are a sinner and accept His Son as your personal savior for your sins and the finished work on the Cross and the Ressurection. That's it. You don't have to work your way to Heaven (you can't, anyway).

I admit that I thought I was a moral person and by believing in God, I'd get to Heaven. It wasn't until my freshman year of college that I started going to church with my aunt and a year later, I got saved. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me. My parents made me go to church until I was in my teens but I didn't get saved until I was almost 19. No one made me. No one "brainwashed" me into the deal. I did it on my own free will. God gave us free will; He didn't create us to become robots. He gave us a choice. Either we chose him or we don't.

If God denied the agnostic who led a "moral" life, it's not moronic. It is the fault of the non-believer.

This is just my explanation. If you still don't agree with me (and I doubt you will), then that's all I got to tell ya', okeedokie?

If you still want more info, I strongly urge you to check out C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity." I also urge you to go to www.christiananswers.net. Since I don't know a whole lot about the Bible or any deep questions you might have, that website might help you out. I don't know everything but I do know enough to explain the main pillar of the Christian faith.

CW

[campbell34]

Christianwriter,

Very good explanation on what it takes to be a Christian.

[metro]

"You people".... i'm not even all the way thru this thread and i've seen it 3 times now (2 anti-Christian, 1 Christian). You people. One of the most dividing phrases ever.

As a side note (for this quote from Metro)... since i am *Christian* i guess i am one of "you people" but i eagerly await each HP book and am always telling others about them, i like porn, and i sure as shit don't fight revolution being taught. So, for this "you people" you are way off. Yes, there are all types of people in the world and that includes Christians. Different people, different views, diff likes and dislikes... blah blah blah.

peace
barefootnikki
I was refering to the Christians that do this (there are many), so if you are one of them, include yourself. I have no idea how other hipforum Christians act, but if they are as I descibed, then I don't like them.

[metro]

It's in our nature so we aren't truly "good" people. That's terribly judgemental, I am a good person and it doesn't matter to me if you or other Christians don't think so.



I'm not trying to scare you and I'm not trying to sound "smarter" than you all but that's the reality. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif I don't think you have to worry about that.




It wasn't until my freshman year of college that I started going to church with my aunt and a year later, I got saved. For some reason when I hear statements like this, I double over with laughter.


No one "brainwashed" me into the deal. I did it on my own free will. The brainwashed never realise they are being brainwashed, of course.



If God denied the agnostic who led a "moral" life, it's not moronic. It is the fault of the non-believer. Moral is in quotes again.....more self-righteous holier-than-thou BS.

[BlackBillBlake]

There may be no hell, but this surely is a flame pit!

[barefootnikki]

There may be no hell, but this surely is a flame pit!
Amen :p

peace
barefootnikki

[seamonster66]

Quote:You see, both the believer and the non-believer are both sinners. You cannot be good enough to get to Heaven, you can't work your way there, and you cannot buy your way there. The only way to Heaven is Christ Jesus

Ha, yea, the old cop out answer. Makes absolutely no sense. So many evil people have accepted Jesus Christ into their lives, and if there is a morally based reward in the afterlife, there is just no way they would be admitted.

What would happen if there were a nuclear war and all information on Christianity was lost? Would mankind be lost just because they have no clue who Jesus was. No one could ever get to heaven again, no matter what they did.

I think Jesus, an enlightened person, would think you primitive Christians are out of your minds.


Quote: You don't have to work your way to Heaven (you can't, anyway).

HAHAHAHA, right, you can't get into heaven for good deeds or being a good person, but only by believing old fables......just stupid.

[JohnnyX]

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?
Moonflower...why would you go into a christian thread and start trouble? They have the right to believe what they choose to.

[seamonster66]

Maybe she wanted to slap them in the face to see if they were real Christians and would turn the other cheek.


Nothing wrong with questioning something so spirtritually arrogant as Christianity, especially when they try to influence our government.

[dhs]

Whenever I see this thread come up under New Posts (how I primarily view the forums) I get this image of the Energizer Bunny in various forms, sometimes wearing a red cape with a pitchfork, other times a pries outfit, and sometimes with a tourbon on his head.

.....but he just keeps going and going and going - pounding his drum over the same old nonsense. Why people seem so compelled to force feed their beliefs into this thread amazes me. I'm a Christian, though in a non-traditional sense, and I feel that my faith is as stong as the Pope's yet, I have zero desire to force my views on anyone. I don't feel the need to convert people or to be converted. Hmmm, maybe I do a little because I just posted here - no thats not true - the main point was to share my bunny visualization. :)

People just need to give it a rest. live and let live.

[seamonster66]

Quote: live and let live.

On an internet forum, where would be the fun in that?

[dhs]

I'm not too sure, but now my mind is beginning to associate you with this energizer bunny I speak of.


Which one do you prefer - red cape, priest outfit or tourbon?

[seamonster66]

Well, I'd prefer the red cape, although I don't believe in the devil.

Anyway, I don't really know many actual Christians in non-internet life, so this is my chance to try to understand the uhhhh logic ;)

[dhs]

There you go man, you've really done it this time. When the others in this thread catch wind that you are a non-believer in the devil - whoa look out!!

[seamonster66]

Oh I'm already damned because I am a half Jewish agnostic. I just prefer a religion that is fair, my own.

Anyway, when moon flower gets back she can take over again for a while.

[Varuna]

Everyone is subject to their "isms," whether they know it or not.

My favorite is Mysticism, but of course there is also Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judeaism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Shamanism, Paganism, Pantheism, Spiritualism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Materialism, Nihilism, Capitalism, Socialism, Pragmatism, Escapism, Empiricism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Patriotism, Fundamentalism, Romanticism, Hippie-ism, etc.

The list is apparently endless.

Like it or not, your isms (and yes, you do have at least a few) dictate how you experience reality, they even dictate WHAT you experience, how you understand reality, what you understand, and who you are, how you see yourself, and how you behave in relation to reality.

If you think you have a clear view of reality, free of any "isms," then, with extremely rare exceptions, you may be far more delusional than you know.

You are only as free as your awareness of that which controls you.

So, the real challenge is to figure out the isms that have the most influence over you and your "reality." Those who love you the most will help you.

Peace and Love,

[FreakyJoeMan]

That reminded me of this:

"It's not that I condone facism. Or any ism for that matter. Isms, in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon 'I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me.' Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus, I'd still have to bum rides off of people."

from Ferris Buler's Day Off

[moon_flower]

Moonflower...why would you go into a christian thread and start trouble? They have the right to believe what they choose to.
And I have the right to question it. Thank you for wasting your time asking a stupid question.

[moon_flower]

Everyone is subject to their "isms," whether they know it or not.

My favorite is Mysticism, but of course there is also Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judeaism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Shamanism, Paganism, Pantheism, Spiritualism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Materialism, Nihilism, Capitalism, Socialism, Pragmatism, Escapism, Empiricism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Patriotism, Fundamentalism, Romanticism, Hippie-ism, etc.
Wow, thank you for wasting your time. Isms have NOTHING to do with my downing Christianity.

The list is apparently endless.

Like it or not, your isms (and yes, you do have at least a few) dictate how you experience reality, they even dictate WHAT you experience, how you understand reality, what you understand, and who you are, how you see yourself, and how you behave in relation to reality.

If you think you have a clear view of reality, free of any "isms," then, with extremely rare exceptions, you may be far more delusional than you know.

You are only as free as your awareness of that which controls you.

So, the real challenge is to figure out the isms that have the most influence over you and your "reality." Those who love you the most will help you.

Peace and Love,It's obvious you like to make yourself look like an ass, so I won't waste anymore of my time commenting.

[JohnnyX]

And I have the right to question it. Thank you for wasting your time asking a stupid question.
Yes but we have other forums for that. Dont be a noob!

[Varuna]

Wow, thank you for wasting your time. Isms have NOTHING to do with my downing Christianity.

It's obvious you like to make yourself look like an ass, so I won't waste anymore of my time commenting.
You just really want to fight. You are not very good at it. Too predictable.

If you are this hostile in real life, then you are in for some surprises. You will probably become quite helpless.

I can only wonder how it's going to turn out for you.

Good luck, I really mean that.

[seamonster66]

I agree with the isms thing, once you resign yourself to a label like that, your thought process is skewed. I think that actually does have everything to do with religion, or fanaticism;)

[moon_flower]

You just really want to fight. You are not very good at it. Too predictable.

If you are this hostile in real life, then you are in for some surprises. You will probably become quite helpless.

I can only wonder how it's going to turn out for you.

Good luck, I really mean that.I am this hostile in real life.
Helpless? No.
Fuck you, I really mean that.:)

[moon_flower]

Yes but we have other forums for that. Dont be a noob!
This is the forum to comment on Christianity, is it not?
I'm not a noob. I've been around a long time.

[metro]

Whenever I see this thread come up under New Posts (how I primarily view the forums) I get this image of the Energizer Bunny in various forms, sometimes wearing a red cape with a pitchfork, other times a pries outfit, and sometimes with a tourbon on his head.

.....but he just keeps going and going and going - pounding his drum over the same old nonsense. Why people seem so compelled to force feed their beliefs into this thread amazes me. I'm a Christian, though in a non-traditional sense, and I feel that my faith is as stong as the Pope's yet, I have zero desire to force my views on anyone. I don't feel the need to convert people or to be converted. Hmmm, maybe I do a little because I just posted here - no thats not true - the main point was to share my bunny visualization. :)

People just need to give it a rest. live and let live.
Whatever. Stop preaching. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif
But seriously I don't think we need to give it a rest, seamonster66 is doing a great job!

[Real American]

See moon flower, thats what so awesome about Christians, they "know" unknowable things, they are just superior people who have believed exactly what they were taught from day 1, never questioned it......because they can guarantee it is fact somehow.And how do you know you are right? In your same logic of thought, you are callign yourself a superior person for knowing that we are wrong. That's a good little sheep, way to jump on the bandwagon of hate.

So, you can see God? Nope, I can't, and according to The Bible I wouldn't be able to look at Him anyways. However, I do see His work in my life daily.

I wonder why, if your God wanted you to be with him, why he would set such ignorant limitations on what you can and cannot do. He's so jealous and unforgiving, why chance setting those rules.
I am not perfect. I haven't met a perfect person yet. Don't think I ever will either. I know I live my life acording to God's will for me. How do I know? Through prayer. Do I ever faulter? Yes I do. Is God there to help me back up? Yes He is. You never answered my questions to you. What happened in your life that made you turn against God? Who did you wrong? Who hurt you? What major event in your life lead you down this path?

No, God sends them to hell. I know people who believe don't die and go "Oh, I think I'd like to send myself to hell, sorry God."You make the choice, not God. Right now you have a choice, you can change your mind at anytime before you die, but when you die, it's to late.

Tell me this Christian writer, what is the difference between someone who was raised a strict muslim, hindu, buddhist, or Christian. they all believe that they are reading the word of god, do you think that the others are damned because they believe something different than you. No, I think the others are damned because they deny Christ as our savior.

What if they were never even exposed to Christianity, would they go to hell?
Is it deserving that just because someone doesn't believe a revised text dating back thousands of years to be the word of god, that they should go to hell?I don't think there is ever a time that a person on this world is not faced with their relationship with God. Your question is similar to that of asking about aborted babies. Do they go to heaven? I think they do. Do children go to heaven? Depends if they ever came in question with their relationship with God(when I say children I mean the younger age, before reasoning really sets in). As far as your excuse to The Bible being revised and edited over and over, well, there is a Bible out that is an exact translation of the original books and writings. Every word translated to every possable meaning. Then, at the bottom of each page there are modern day interpretations for you to read, some are the same, some are different(each interp. written by someone else). So you can no longer use this as an excuse.

What if they lead a perfectly moral life without any religion, should they be damned because they didn't believe a rather far fetched story?
Again no, they will be damned for not accepting Jesus as The Savior.

there's also my understanding of hell merely being death, a seperation from god. not some fiery torturous torment. i rather like the idea of purgatory. i mean, honestly, if you've got a kid in your house actively bringing the others down, do you keep them around? or do you kick their loser violent ass out?The Bible describes hell. Your understanding is wrong.

I have been to hell and it was a purifying experience. There is a reason that there are preachers out there who say everyone will go to hell.Way to many drugs man.

Or the 'rest of the world' is mentally ill and has turned away from heaven and God is patiently guiding people back into a relationship with God. Or the rest of the world has turned their backs on God and He is waiting on the last few followers before He ends it all.


Stupid answers to my questions, if your god denies entry into heaven to good people, then fuck your god.
What makes them good? If you deny God then all the rest matters not. It is quite simple really. Why are you so confused?


Quote:
, then fuck your god.
I would if I could. A good example of someone not being led by The Holy Spirit.

your god is petty, if two people had led the exact same life only one believed in jesus and the other was agnostic, believing in something but not sure what, your god would deny the one who was unsure while letting the other one in.

that is moronic.

Even better

If one christian sinned and repented, and a non-christian led a perfectly moral life, then the sinner would get in and the non-sinner wouldn't.

What a load of shit that religion is, its divisive, its based on fear, and most of all it's primitive.

What should matter is strictly how good a person is, end of story.I'll refer to the time when Jesus was being crucified on the cross. Two men were next to him, one on either side. One man questioned Him and asked why He didn't do something. The other man asked for forgivness. Jesus told the repenting man he would join Him in Heaven. Both men led a life of sin, the one that denied Jesus went to Hell, the other went to Heaven. Again, this is simple. As far as how you think it should be, well, when you die and are being judged, take it up with Him.

The brainwashed never realise they are being brainwashed, of course.That is why we pray for you, in hopes that you will break free from your mental prison and see that God is the answer.

Ha, yea, the old cop out answer. Makes absolutely no sense. So many evil people have accepted Jesus Christ into their lives, and if there is a morally based reward in the afterlife, there is just no way they would be admitted.
It is not a cop out, it is The answer. If you don't agree, then go on, leave. I am certainly not forcing you to stay here and defend yourself or make you attack my faith.

What would happen if there were a nuclear war and all information on Christianity was lost? Would mankind be lost just because they have no clue who Jesus was. No one could ever get to heaven again, no matter what they did.
Well, that would have to take out every single hotel in America now wouldn't it? Nothing would be totaly lost. Even if all text was lost, the message would still be strong in those believers still alive. Besides, look how long the faith has been around. Through so much, yet still strong.

I think Jesus, an enlightened person, would think you primitive Christians are out of your minds.
I think He would be disapointed in a lot of us, yet He would still love us, and we would stil be welcome into the kingdom of Heaven.

HAHAHAHA, right, you can't get into heaven for good deeds or being a good person, but only by believing old fables......just stupid. Jesus isn't a fable. That theory has been disprooved by non christian historians, scentists, and a hole load of other non believers. He was alive, he did do miracles in the name of God, He was witnessed on this earth, and He did die and come back to life as wittnessed by lots of people.

Everyone is subject to their "isms," whether they know it or not.

My favorite is Mysticism, but of course there is also Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Judeaism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Shamanism, Paganism, Pantheism, Spiritualism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Materialism, Nihilism, Capitalism, Socialism, Pragmatism, Escapism, Empiricism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Patriotism, Fundamentalism, Romanticism, Hippie-ism, etc.
I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic at hand, especialy because Christianity isn't an ism.

I am this hostile in real life.She denied this in earlier posts. Again, what happened in your life to make you turn against God. Who hurt you? What major event happened to make you take this path?

[moon_flower]

She denied this in earlier posts. Again, what happened in your life to make you turn against God. Who hurt you? What major event happened to make you take this path?
I denied rage, not hostility. There is a slight difference.

Reality happened. Noone hurt me. What does me being hurt have to do with my not believing in God? According to you upety Christians, pain would have brought me closer to God. Why does it always have to be a 'major event' that made someone a non-believer? Do you think something major happening is the only way one cannot have faith in the invisible man?

[Real American]

You can deny it all you want, your pain is evident in your words and actions....hostility, anger, rage, hatred....it's all the same.

[moon_flower]

Your ignorance is evident in your posts.

[Real American]

So you have reverted to using things I have said to you now? I still don't understand why you are here. You are no longer voicing your opinion. You are only attacking those that do not agree with you. Tell me, what makes you right and me wrong?

[moon_flower]

So you have reverted to using things I have said to you now? I still don't understand why you are here. You are no longer voicing your opinion. You are only attacking those that do not agree with you. Tell me, what makes you right and me wrong?
And, I'm sure I'm the only one doing the attacking here, right?
What makes me right and you wrong? Because I said so. :)
No, but what makes you right and ME wrong?

[Real American]

Let's see, where do I begin? Man there are so many factual things that happened in The Bible. Wait a minute, The whole thing is factual. There ya go, that's what makes me right and you wrong. Go read it, study it, learn it. Can you see air? Why do you believe it is there? Oh, because you can breat hit right? because you interact with it right? Same goes for my faith in God. Were you in the Civil War? Did you fight at The Alamo? Did you storm the beaches of Normandy? No? How do you know it happened? Oh wait the witnesses right? Yeah, Jesus had loads of those too. You can keep on trying to discredit Him, and I will keep on discrediting you.

And, I'm sure I'm the only one doing the attacking here, right?
Well, with me yes. I haven't attacked you. I have only defending my faith in God. You made this thread, not me. You asked for this, not me. Of course, you could be the bigger person and just stop. But, you won't do that will you? You can't do that can you?

I'll still pray for you reguardless of your decision. I still feel that somethign in your life happened to make you go from one side to the other. Someone hurt you or set an example that has affected you.

[JohnnyX]

This is the forum to comment on Christianity, is it not?
I'm not a noob. I've been around a long time.I believe its a forum for Christians to discuss Christianity...make youown thread if you wanna rant. Don't spoil their fun. I am not Christian but we must respect their right to be able yo talk to each other about Christianity. There are other threads going on along the same lines....and see, now you got RA all riled up. Have fun!!

I will however discuss christian issues since I was raised christian and have done lots of bible study and history.

[Varuna]

I am this hostile in real life.
Helpless? No.
Fuck you, I really mean that.:)
Is that all you've got???

[Lilyrayne]

I believe its a forum for Christians to discuss Christianity...make youown thread if you wanna rant. Don't spoil their fun. I am not Christian but we must respect their right to be able yo talk to each other about Christianity. There are other threads going on along the same lines....and see, now you got RA all riled up. Have fun!!
Actually, I thought it was for everyone to discuss Christianity, not just Christians. That's what it IS, anyway, regardless of what was intended for it.

That's why I created a personal forum just for Christians (and Christian friendly) to talk to each other about what we believe without interjections from people who just wanna pick on us. People bashing Christianity or ranting wouldn't be allowed there, whereas they are allowed here. It also helps cut down on the number of people annoyed by us Christians... they can just skip over our forum and ignore it and then come here and pick on us. On the flip side, Christians that don't wanna deal with being picked on and all that can ignore this forum and come to the other one. That's why there's two, and it's not redundant contrary to what people think, I think it makes things easier on everyone because it frees up both places a bit.

[squawkers7]

I have never been baptized so I don't really have a religion, but I still believe in most of the 10 commandments, especially thou shalt not lie, steal or kill. Treat others as you want others to treat you. I don't need to believe in a man-made brand name religion in order to treat other people like humans.

[JohnnyX]

[QUOTE=Bree]Actually, I thought it was for everyone to discuss Christianity, not just Christians. That's what it IS, anyway, regardless of what was intended for it. QUOTE]

Ok sorry...my mistake!

[seamonster66]

Quote: So you have reverted to using things I have said to you now? I still don't understand why you are here. You are no longer voicing your opinion. You are only attacking those that do not agree with you. Tell me, what makes you right and me wrong?
Real American

You are inherently wrong. You claim to be a christian but only to hold over peoples heads to seem superior, to fit in with the idiotic image that you have presented since coming to these forums, your way of agitating the majority of members here. I highly doubt you exhibit many of the traits of a true believer.

Bree is someone who I highly respect here, and someone who exhibits traits that go along with belief in christ and I find no fault with her. She seems kind and compassionate (unlike me right now :P ). Anyone who claims to be a christian here should follow her lead, or stop pretending to be something they aren't.

[moon_flower]

Let's see, where do I begin? Man there are so many factual things that happened in The Bible. Wait a minute, The whole thing is factual. There ya go, that's what makes me right and you wrong. Go read it, study it, learn it. Can you see air? Why do you believe it is there? Oh, because you can breat hit right? because you interact with it right? Same goes for my faith in God. Were you in the Civil War? Did you fight at The Alamo? Did you storm the beaches of Normandy? No? How do you know it happened? Oh wait the witnesses right? Yeah, Jesus had loads of those too. You can keep on trying to discredit Him, and I will keep on discrediting you.

Well, with me yes. I haven't attacked you. I have only defending my faith in God. You made this thread, not me. You asked for this, not me. Of course, you could be the bigger person and just stop. But, you won't do that will you? You can't do that can you?

I'll still pray for you reguardless of your decision. I still feel that somethign in your life happened to make you go from one side to the other. Someone hurt you or set an example that has affected you.
The whole thing is factual? Can you prove that the Jesus fed all those people with one little fish or piece of bread? No. You cannot.
So, you believe in God because you can breath him?
Witnesses? What witnesses to God besides those quacked televangelists who say they can see and feel God running through their veins? The Bible is not evidence of a God. Anyone can write a book.

You haven't attacked me? Is holding your religion over my head and acting like you're superior because you have the faith and I don't not attacking me in some way? Is bringing up this supposed trouble I'm having in my life not attacking me? I believe it is. No, I don't want to stop. I can go on and on forever.
I don't need you to pray for me. According to you and your beliefs I'm a damned and lost soul anyway, don't waste your breath.

[Seb]

You can deny it all you want, your pain is evident in your words and actions....hostility, anger, rage, hatred....it's all the same.
Just because someone has a problem with todays churchs and there teaching does not mean that they are in pain.

[moon_flower]

I believe its a forum for Christians to discuss Christianity...make youown thread if you wanna rant. Don't spoil their fun. I am not Christian but we must respect their right to be able yo talk to each other about Christianity. There are other threads going on along the same lines....and see, now you got RA all riled up. Have fun!!

I will however discuss christian issues since I was raised christian and have done lots of bible study and history.
No, this is a place for anyone to discuss Christianity.

RA doesn't worry me.

[moon_flower]

Is that all you've got???
It's obvious you were at a loss for words since all you could say was 'Is that all you've got???'.

[JohnnyX]

No, this is a place for anyone to discuss Christianity.

RA doesn't worry me.
You are right about that but lets just keep in ming the discussion element.

[Varuna]

It's obvious you were at a loss for words since all you could say was 'Is that all you've got???'.
I am keeping it simple for you. It's obvious that you suffer when presented with words and ideas and thoughts that are just too big for you.

Imagine what else is obvious when you have more than one idea.

You remind me of a blind guy in a fistfight. You can't see what you are fighting against, you don't know enough to change your position, and the only reason you are still standing is because all you really arouse is pity.

So? I will ask you again - Is that all you've got? Or is this question just too difficult for you to answer?

Peace and Love

[moon_flower]

You are right about that but lets just keep in ming the discussion element.
I know I'm right. Let's keep in mind, there are 22 pages of discussion.

[moon_flower]

I am keeping it simple for you. It's obvious that you suffer when presented with words and ideas and thoughts that are just too big for you.Why keep it simple? Ah, you can't think of anything complex to say?


You remind me of a blind guy in a fistfight. You can't see what you are fighting against, you don't know enough to change your position, and the only reason you are still standing is because all you really arouse is pity.I do know what I'm fighting with. I know enough to stick with my position. I am still standing, not because of pity, but because I don't give up when I have you hypocrites at my throat because I challenge what you believe.

[JohnnyX]

I know I'm right. Let's keep in mind, there are 22 pages of discussion.
yes moon_flower you are so so right...you are right, what can I say? Just so right...how does it feel to be so dern right? hmmmm?

[Varuna]

I do know what I'm fighting with. I know enough to stick with my position. I am still standing, not because of pity, but because I don't give up when I have you hypocrites at my throat because I challenge what you believe.
What I believe? Well, that changes with experience.

What do I know? You have no idea. You aren't ready.

You still haven't answered my question. Is that all you've got?

[moon_flower]

I didn't ask you what you know.
And, what do you mean is that all I have? :sunglasse You're annoying me more than making a point.

[Real American]

Look folks, it is obvious moon flower is still a child with a lot of growing up to do and a lot of respect to learn. Let her moan and complain. Jesus could stand right in front of her, show her His scars, do miracles and she still would refuse to believe. The Bible has been proven to be true. No guessing about it. Historicly, scientificly, and propheticly. She can deny all she wants, The Bible even tells us about people doing that. I will keep on praying for her though.

[moon_flower]

I have a lot of growing up to do because I don't follow the same beliefs as you. That's great.

[barefootnikki]

Look folks, it is obvious moon flower is still a child with a lot of growing up to do and a lot of respect to learn. Let her moan and complain. Jesus could stand right in front of her, show her His scars, do miracles and she still would refuse to believe. The Bible has been proven to be true. No guessing about it. Historicly, scientificly, and propheticly. She can deny all she wants, The Bible even tells us about people doing that. I will keep on praying for her though.
I think Moon flower WOULD believe then. She seems to be a non-believer because there is no tangible proof. Belief many times is blind faith, and MANY people just don't have that.
Moon flower, hope i pegged it right - - - i'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
peace
barefootnikki

[Varuna]

I didn't ask you what you know. Fair enough . . . What do YOU know?

I am not just being a smartass, I am truly curious.

And, what do you mean is that all I have? Good question. Keep asking.

I am sure you are more than mere hostility . . . so . . . ?

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sunglasses.gif You're annoying me more than making a point. Imagine that.

What are YOU doing with all of this?

Peace and Love

[moon_flower]

I think Moon flower WOULD believe then. She seems to be a non-believer because there is no tangible proof. Belief many times is blind faith, and MANY people just don't have that.
Moon flower, hope i pegged it right - - - i'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
peace
barefootnikki
No. That's not it. I just don't have faith in that. It was force fed to me, and, now that I can make my own decisions, I've chosen to not believe. Different strokes for different folks.

[seahorse]

the fact that it was force fed to you makes me understand your frustrations. It's not right for parents to force thier beliefs on thier kids, but only to lovingly offer the choices. I was forced to go to church when i was young and even forced to wear a dress each time (ick) no wonder i took off when i was 15 and did what ever the heck i wanted for 3 years even if it was bad for me. i needed that time away, to finally make my own decisions. It was like a necessary evil. Then i realized one day that there were deep truths to what I had been taught, and I started seeking God for myself, because for once i really wanted to. i still deal with the hurt of my childhood and the way i was so controlled in every aspect. (i wasn't even allowed to pick out my own Underwear!! sheesh!) Anyways, moonflower, even though you try and appear to be tough, i encourage you to nuture that softer part of your inner self that is screaming out for the truth and hungry for real answers. (hug)

[moon_flower]

FUCK! What is it with you people? I'm not trying to seem tough. I'm saying what I see. If you don't like it, lump it.

[seahorse]

ok moonflower, you can type your "fucks" all over the place and say you're not trying to be tough. You're the one who started this thread with all intentions for confrontation and locked horns. you have an anger against Christians, so does just about 75% of the rest of the world. Get over it.

All the Christians that have joined this conversation have been patient and understanding with you and you in return, have repeatedly opened your potty mouth and spewed anger and hostility. The nicer we are, the meaner you get. No wonder you're so filled with rage, you keep bringing it on yourself. nobody here wants to fight and argue accept you.

Will you just think about some of the things we are saying? wasn't it your curiosity as to where we are coming from that made you start this thread? or was it just downright desire to bash us? because we're used to the bashing, it's been going on since the beginning of time, and it's only going to get worse for Christians as time goes on.

A kicking, screaming, God hating 17 year old on the internet is something true Christians online feel a concern for. We are only trying to help you understand and answer your questions. We wish our love didn't fuel your anger but it does. But we know we're not fighting against you, but against spiritual powers that are trying to keep your heart from understanding. Satan knows he's never getting to heaven so he sure doesn't want you to either.

Hopefully you don't wait until it's too late to decide for yourself. God exists and He loves you. like it or lump it.

[JohnnyX]

I wonder if moon ever reads her own posts?

[metro]

A kicking, screaming, God hating 17 year old on the internet is something true Christians online feel a concern for.
I don't know why everyone here tries to characterize her as a spoiled, bratty child, I've never got that impression. 17 is not that young. Just because she swears or has some smart aleck responses? So she's a little lippy, some of you have been as well. Your repartee has been disguised by your religious slant though, of course.

I personally wouldn't care what Christians believed if they kept it to themselves. Don't change the constitution based on your religious beliefs. Don't stifle science. That's not too much to ask is it?

[Nathan11]

My point is: Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. You have just again, said something that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

So fucking classic.

My fucking point is, you asshole: SHUT UP

LOL

Alright.
Bye.
heh

[moon_flower]

ok moonflower, you can type your "fucks" all over the place and say you're not trying to be tough. You're the one who started this thread with all intentions for confrontation and locked horns. you have an anger against Christians, so does just about 75% of the rest of the world. Get over it.Thank you for the permission to say fuck. I'm not trying to be tough, I started this thread to give my opinion. Can you blame anyone for anger against you fucktards? No. You can't. You're hypocrites.

All the Christians that have joined this conversation have been patient and understanding with you and you in return, have repeatedly opened your potty mouth and spewed anger and hostility. The nicer we are, the meaner you get. No wonder you're so filled with rage, you keep bringing it on yourself. nobody here wants to fight and argue accept you.Oh, they have? No. They haven't. They've had nothing remotely patient and understanding to say about this thread. It would be un-orthodox.
No, the more pushy you are, the more smart ass I am.
I'M NOT FILLED WITH ANGER AND RAGE YOU FUCKING PSYCHO.
Everyone here wants to fight or they'd let it go. This is MY opinion, I won't change because you keep pushing God on me. Thank you.

Will you just think about some of the things we are saying? wasn't it your curiosity as to where we are coming from that made you start this thread? or was it just downright desire to bash us? because we're used to the bashing, it's been going on since the beginning of time, and it's only going to get worse for Christians as time goes on.No, I will not think about some of the things you are saying. No, it was my opinion of this religion that brought me here. Don't give me your sob-story of how 'hard it is for Christians'.

A kicking, screaming, God hating 17 year old on the internet is something true Christians online feel a concern for. We are only trying to help you understand and answer your questions. We wish our love didn't fuel your anger but it does. But we know we're not fighting against you, but against spiritual powers that are trying to keep your heart from understanding. Satan knows he's never getting to heaven so he sure doesn't want you to either. I DO UNDERSTAND. You're not helping me understand anything. You're deepening my thought that Christians are pushy assholes.

Hopefully you don't wait until it's too late to decide for yourself. God exists and He loves you. like it or lump it.Pushy, pushy, pushy.
You need therapy, seriously. You're brainwashed. It's amuzing.

[bandit28]

It's sad your parents aren't involved in your life. Perhaps some discipline in your life would have been good for you. You keep telling us there is no anger, yet you keep showing. As I have said before, you voiced your opinion. You came in here to "voice" your opinion, you have bitched and complained, called names, told us how your life isn't fair, bitched and complained more, and all we see out of it is a spoiled little brat doing what every other 17 yr old does...rebel. Your story is old and used. Move on, show me that you are the better person and go on. Be different like everyone else somewhere else. We got your drift, you hate God and you hate Christians.

[Becknudefck]

im christian, but dont like to admit, because i hate that religion. I hate it when your told how to live, and if you dont live that way your a bad person and need to be saved. well, they can shove it up their ass, ill do what i want and not believe in god if i want. which i dont believe in god, its just hard for me to.

[Purple_Rhapsody]

Lately I've been studying religion and the effects of it. As well as the facts. I belive science should definantly been considered a part of religion. Another thing, if we start looking at The Holy Bible as a guide book instead of an instruction book, we would be a whole lot sainer! I follow what the Bible says. But I am NOT a Christian, I AM a Wiccan! I don't believe the Bible should only be followed by Christian's. True, I don't follow all of it, I believe some of it is a little bit far fetched. I read and apply what I read to my daily Wiccan life. I use it as a guide book and couldn't be happier with where I am in my spiritual walk. I know about all the sections on magickal workings etc, but for some reason, that just dosen't make any sence to me! What is so wrong with developing your own inner power that was granted to you by the energy God? I was wondering how many of you have read the article "God, Free Will, Determinism, and Karma" (http://www.hippy.com/php/article-148.html)it is one of the most rewarding links I have ever read. And it is right here on hippy.com! It would really give some insight to what, I believe moon flower is saying. Except it is much more realistic than the whole sarcastic scenerio she opened up this thread with! Either way, Blessed Be
Gaea

P.S. Edited
One more thing. I'm 16, and I sort of take offence to the rebelion aspect you have applied to moon flower! I don't rebel and I am a teen, a year younger than moon flower in fact. I as well as my other teenage friends, all try to look at the facts before we make a statement. Especially as Sarcastic and Senical as moon flower's! Please, if you are going to refer to her as a "rebel" don't catagorize me and mine with that! Thank you!

[moon_flower]

It's sad your parents aren't involved in your life. Perhaps some discipline in your life would have been good for you. You keep telling us there is no anger, yet you keep showing. As I have said before, you voiced your opinion. You came in here to "voice" your opinion, you have bitched and complained, called names, told us how your life isn't fair, bitched and complained more, and all we see out of it is a spoiled little brat doing what every other 17 yr old does...rebel. Your story is old and used. Move on, show me that you are the better person and go on. Be different like everyone else somewhere else. We got your drift, you hate God and you hate Christians.
Show me where I said my life isn't fair. Come on, show me.

[bandit28]

Yeah, I am not going to search through all these pages to find it, but a good imitation would be "WAAAAAAAAA IT WAS FORCED ON ME". Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 1 + 1 = 2 so in that same logic, all your crying and complaining equals......care to guess?

[roly]

It's sad your parents aren't involved in your life. Perhaps some discipline in your life would have been good for you. You keep telling us there is no anger, yet you keep showing. As I have said before, you voiced your opinion. You came in here to "voice" your opinion, you have bitched and complained, called names, told us how your life isn't fair, bitched and complained more, and all we see out of it is a spoiled little brat doing what every other 17 yr old does...rebel. Your story is old and used. Move on, show me that you are the better person and go on. Be different like everyone else somewhere else. We got your drift, you hate God and you hate Christians.

i'm also 17 and i dont rebel... but i realise that people have probably sed this to you before...generalisation is a bad thing, please dont tar me with the same brush as others. ( i'm not trying to create an arguement, just telling you i'm offended)

roly.xxx

[bandit28]

You are right, I should have said "as most 17 year olds do" not all. GHranted, I am talking to her though, but I understand.

[roly]

You are right, I should have said "as most 17 year olds do" not all. GHranted, I am talking to her though, but I understand.

thank you :D

roly.xxx

[moon_flower]

Yeah, I am not going to search through all these pages to find it, but a good imitation would be "WAAAAAAAAA IT WAS FORCED ON ME". Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. 1 + 1 = 2 so in that same logic, all your crying and complaining equals......care to guess?
You're probably some washed up, 40 year old douche bag who's going to rag on me no matter what I say. Do you want to know why? Because you can't take critisism. Maybe mommy and daddy should have payed more attention to you when you were small. Do you have anger and rage?

[FreakyJoeMan]

This is really startin to piss me off. Stop fightin, you poor bastards!

[moon_flower]

This is really startin to piss me off. Stop fightin, you poor bastards!
Go away if you don't like it.

[Co0kiezGurl]

Wow this is quite the exciting little discussion ... Anyway...I'll just respond to the original post.

Your religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever until the end of time...but he loves you.

How do you feel about that?
I feel like laughing cause I think that's funny. Seriously. Not bein' a smart ass or anything.

That's not how I see my beliefs though. I'm a non-denominational Christian. I have, in the past, been Southern Baptist, agnostic, buddhist, satanic, and atheist. In that order. Heh, yeah I had a little trouble finding myself for a while.

Anyway...I believe God is neither man nor woman, and does not live in the sky. The God I believe in is a part of everything and everyone. The bible is flawed because it was written by man, inspired by God, and so I take things in the bible with a grain of salt. There are good things to live by in there though. The 10 commandments are just the basic wrongs that nearly everyone in the world knows from almost the beginning anyway. Hell, as I interpret it, isn't a place of literal fire and brimstone, and is different for everyone. But basically it is simply the absence of God. I don't think we'll go to hell if we disobey those "rules", at least not as long as we try our best to be a good person. If we do that, even if we do wrong, we will know it, feel remorse, try not to do it again, all that good stuff. If we do it and don't feel remorse, there's a problem :/. Oh, I'm also bisexual, do not feel I am wrong in that, and know that God still loves me because God has no problem with love no matter who it develops between. That is the greatest commandment afterall. I never try to push my beliefs on anyone. I share, I discuss, I listen. And only when it comes up. Sooo! Call me a bad Christian, call me a fundie freak, or don't call me anything at all cause you're of the live-and-let-live variety....whatever :). I know in my heart what I believe is true and right for me and that's what matters anyway.

[seahorse]

I'M NOT FILLED WITH ANGER AND RAGE YOU FUCKING PSYCHO.



hahhaahaha I think you're looking just a tad more like a psycho than i am, and btw does anyone else here find that I've been trying to push my religion on moonflower? Honey, maybe you feel like i've been pushy because deep inside you feel a need to hold your hands over your heart before something penetrates.

and there's no need to be calling eachother names is there? like, 'fucktard' is not really using your imagination much.
oh yah I'm talking to a 17 year old who cannot control her little forked tongue, oops
Are you that rude in front of people's faces or does the ability to hide behind your monitor give you a freedom that boosts your ego?

I wish you all the best and i'm sure we would get along alot better in person.

let your heart be filled with peace.

[moon_flower]

.
oh yah I'm talking to a 17 year old who cannot control her little forked tongue, oopsThat has tons to do with it.

Are you that rude in front of people's faces or does the ability to hide behind your monitor give you a freedom that boosts your ego?Yes, I act like this in person. You don't have to have an ego to say fucktard.

I wish you all the best and i'm sure we would get along alot better in person.


I'm sure we wouldn't.

[seahorse]

please answer these questions for all of us, and it would be nice if you could put a little thought into it instead of talking out of your ass.

how do expect to get anywhere in life with such a mouthy attitude?
why do you ask questions and then slam the people who are trying to answer you?
why do you feel the overwhelming need to be completely rude to people?
are you a hippy or not? i mean, do you practise peace and love at all?
what did you expect when you started this thread?
what do you wish Christians would do?
what do you think Jesus wants Christians to do?
are your parents still together?
Do you feel like you've been 'jipped' in life?
who are you?
who inspires you and why?
Is the Christian religion the only one you hate?
have you read part of the Bible recently?
were you abused as a child?
Do you feel like you've ever truly been loved?

[Epiphany]

Ahh, remember what it was like when we were seventeen and thought we knew everything? Don't worry, she'll learn on her own. If she doesn't, well, not many people in the world would be so kind if you were to swear at them to their face. Not everyone in the world is a Christian who will turn their cheek. If you were to cuss at someone for no reason, a majority of people would probably return the insult with a fist to the face.

[roly]

Ahh, remember what it was like when we were seventeen and thought we knew everything? Don't worry, she'll learn on her own. If she doesn't, well, not many people in the world would be so kind if you were to swear at them to their face. Not everyone in the world is a Christian who will turn their cheek. If you were to cuss at someone for no reason, a majority of people would probably return the insult with a fist to the face.

Guys.....stop the 17 yr old bashing....... :mad:
makes me sad to think that people are that age orientated that young people are put down, we have an opinon too....and whether i'm for or against moonflower or somewhere in between...she is entitled to express herself. epiphany...not a personal attack at all...you know i respect you and your posts very much. :D
roly.xxx

[Epiphany]

I'm not necessarily bashing her age, I'm just stating that when we're younger, we tend to assume that we know alot about the world. Especially when our elders tell us we don't. Then, as we age, we realize that they were right and we don't know all that we think we did. I agree that everyone does have the right to express their opinions, however, this topic seems to have been reduced to childish name calling and cussing. You cannot really take someone seriously when they end a sentence with, "fucktard".

No worries Roly, I respect your opinions and posts as well. :)

[Lilyrayne]

I've realized that just simply praying for moon_flower is going to do a whole lot more good than engaging in a conversation such as this one with her. :) As it has been pointed out many times, there is no real talking to someone like her unless you just enjoy the button-pushing game. It's good for entertainment value, and that's about it anymore.