9/11 Truth Scholar Jim Fetzer on Hannity and Colmes

[Pressed_Rat]

Two nights ago, Jim Fetzer, Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota and co-founder of 'Scholars for 9/11 Truth', was on FOX News' Hannity and Colmes, discussing the 9/11 conspiracy and his organization of over 300 professors, physicists and engineers. The interview was only four minutes long, and Colmes and Oliver North (who was filling in for Hannity) did everything they could to make Fetzer appear like he had some sort of "liberal" agenda and was taking advantage of the people who lost their lives.

But Fetzer was smart and didn't take any of their nonsense.

Click here (http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Media/060622_FetzerHannityColmes.wmv) to watch this segment of the show.

EDIT (5:29PM EST): Also, I forgot to add that a few nights ago, Mike Berger, of 911truth.org (http://http:911truth.org/), appeared on MSNBC's Scarborough Country to discuss the 9/11 attacks. You can watch the clip by clicking HERE (http://www.911truth.org/911truthmedia/Video/MSNBC%20Scarborough%20Country%206-19-06.wmv).

[zeppelin kid]

I just finished watching it and its pretty interesting. But it is a pretty short interview and Hannity and Colmes don't give that professor enough time to really show the details about the 9/11 cover up.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

that's what they're good at.

[zeppelin kid]

that's what they're good at.You can say that again.

[SLammon420]

My dad reads that guy's bullshit.

[Pressed_Rat]

My dad reads that guy's bullshit.
Whose bullshit?

[stalk]

I found a book by Rush Limbaugh on the side of the road today.

Opened it up to a random page, didn't make any sense.

It was total bullshit, I threw it off an overpass

@ a highway

and watched it get mangled by monsterous vehicles.

Yeah I ramble

Just know I'm listening.

[Pressed_Rat]

Who said anything about Rush Limbaugh or any other neocon shill like him? Man, some of you people are fucking dense.

[stalk]

I was uber drunk last night.

I follow these conspiracies, it has nothing to do with rush limbaugh, (or does it?)

I'm a poet rat, I just spit. ;]

And by dense I hope you are referring to our neural networks in our brain.


(those videos are amazingly absurd)

my father used to watch those shows all the time.

drove me batty batty batty

[Pressed_Rat]

Yeah, but it isn't about the friggin' show. It's about the guest on the show and the topic covered. So I am still missing your point.

[paq]

chemtrails are used for weather but many other things as well. read this website http://educate-yourself.org/mnt/ctsuppressionhumanevolution29sep00.shtml

it has evidence they are using viruses and bacteria to mutate our DNA because it is evolving into neohuman or indigo children, multiple pairs of "double helix" formations. just give it a read.

[Drifterz]

These 9/11 government conspiracies are absolute garbage. I was there. I watched the planes hit. I saw the buildings come down. I also saw a photo of Bush being told in that classroom about the events taking place. He had quite an "oh sh*t!" look on his face when he was told. This guy, not even able to speak in public well, wouldn't be able to act well enough to put that face on for the benefit of a big plot.

[Ironcore]

Are so sure that Bush jr is such a fool? Or is he only patronising his people?

What did it look like when WTC7 went down?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

"These 9/11 government conspiracies are absolute garbage. I was there. I watched the planes hit. I saw the buildings come down. I also saw a photo of Bush being told in that classroom about the events taking place. He had quite an "oh sh*t!" look on his face when he was told. This guy, not even able to speak in public well, wouldn't be able to act well enough to put that face on for the benefit of a big plot."


Hahahaha ok were garbage because you saw planes hit those buildings and saw them come down, no shit planes hit those buildings and they came down, were just asking who funded this attack and what exactly happened that day and before then and who REALLY pulled the strings on 9/11. Like the 9/11 commission said didn't matter.

[AT98BooBoo]

Hottest burning point of jet fuel. 1800 degrees. Melting point of structural steel 2700 degrees. It is impossible for jet fule to turn pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete into powder.


Remember that Bin Laden said that the did not expect the towers to come down and that this was "a miracle from Allah". Remember that Bin Laden was an engineer so he would know what would happen in a case like this.

[dontstandsoclosetome]

These 9/11 government conspiracies are absolute garbage. I was there. I watched the planes hit. I saw the buildings come down. I also saw a photo of Bush being told in that classroom about the events taking place. He had quite an "oh sh*t!" look on his face when he was told. This guy, not even able to speak in public well, wouldn't be able to act well enough to put that face on for the benefit of a big plot.
ignorant mass-media-brainwashed sheep like you are so frustrating. why don't you look at real facts/evidence/logic instead of just believing every lie and distortion the government feeds you?

[dontstandsoclosetome]

Hottest burning point of jet fuel. 1800 degrees. Melting point of structural steel 2700 degrees. It is impossible for jet fule to turn pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete into powder.


Remember that Bin Laden said that the did not expect the towers to come down and that this was "a miracle from Allah". Remember that Bin Laden was an engineer so he would know what would happen in a case like this.
right, except it wasn't steel reinforced concrete, concrete was only used as a flooring material...anyway...steel buildings have never fallen from fire. the towers were meant to take being hit by an airplane...(another boeing, forget which, but very similar to the ones that hit) ...looking at the fact that steel had melted in the basements of both towers (and building 7) and that things like computers, stairwells, elevators, people, etc were vaporized/pulverized into dust...i think they were taken down with small nukes...(except building 7, which was obviously a regular controlled demolition)...

oops...silly rambling me..:rolleyes:

[Skip]

Hottest burning point of jet fuel. 1800 degrees. Melting point of structural steel 2700 degrees. It is impossible for jet fule to turn pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete into powder.

this is bullshit, cause the mass of a 767 flying at several hundred miles per hour, will DEFINITELY "turn pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete into powder."

In fact much of that "powder" rained down upon everyone in the area.

So the plane itself destroys much of the support the building has at that point, then the fire ignites OTHER THINGS that burn HOTTER, especially when the fuel spills down the elevator shafts where HUGE DRAFTS of air FAN the fire, increasing the temperature.

Also the remaining steel supports didn't have to MELT, just soften enough to weaken further.

And it only takes ONE FLOOR to collapse, before the weight of the many floors above comes crashing down, further weaking the BENT steel supporting the floors below.

In fact several floors HAD to be affected by the impact, and with their supports weakened, it was probably only a matter of time before the structure collapsed upon itself.

Of course NONE of this explains what happened to WTC7, which I'm pretty certain was a controlled explosion to hide the CIA data from those who would come and pick thru the ruins later.

Why is it not one of these Conspiracy theorists even addresses the damage done by the actual impact of the plane upon the steel supports?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

There was damage but it was all above the 78th floor...all the floors below it were undamaged so they should have been still standing even if the plane caused the impact zone and above to fall to the ground. People that say a huge fireball went down through every single floor is ridiculous, first off the elevators were airtight, second of all the WTC buildings are grade A buildings meaning everything would have to be flame resistant including chairs and other furniture. Even if a fireball was able to travel through airtight elevator shafts it wouldn't matter anyway because the WTC towers didn't have one elevator shaft, they were all broken up and disconnected as to prevent something like that happening.

[dontstandsoclosetome]

the "pancake theory" has already been proven false. those towers were MEANT to take planes, as i've already said. fire has NEVER destroyed a steel building - ever. massive steel columns cannot just "collapse into themselves". this is bullshit. skip, you are no expert in physics, structural enginerring, and so forth, and it's obvious you've been reading (or just concluding) some real BS.


it's obvious what happened to WTC 7, it was a controlled demolition, larry silverstein himself said so. (of course his lie about the fire department doing it was a lie, not only do they not do controlled demolitions, they take weeks/months to set up)....there was an "emergency command center" or something of the sort for guliani - and god knows who else...that was very secure. if drone planes were flown into the towers via remote control from this place, the building would have to be destroyed so there wouldn't be any evidence of it....

[Pepik]

Hottest burning point of jet fuel. 1800 degrees. Melting point of structural steel 2700 degrees. It is impossible for jet fule to turn pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete into powder.Nobody has ever claimed that jet fuel turned steel reinforced concrete into powder, so its hard to see what your point is.all the floors below it were undamaged so they should have been still standing even if the plane caused the impact zone and above to fall to the ground. Not if you understand the difference between a static and a dynamic load. People that say a huge fireball went down through every single floor is ridiculous,They say some of the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts, which isn't really such a wildly improbably consequence of the aircraft exploding in the middle of the building.first off the elevators were airtight, If the elevators were airtight, people would suffocate. And if that made sense, an aircraft weighing 200,000 pounds would obviously break open the shafts when it collides with the building at hundreds of miles per hour. i.e. baloons are airtight, until you poke them with a pin.second of all the WTC buildings are grade A buildings meaning everything would have to be flame resistant including chairs and other furniture.Flame resistant doesn't mean it won't burn. it means it is flame resistant. Do you think they use special flame resistant paper in office towers?the "pancake theory" has already been proven false. You mean by a peer reviewed scientific paper or by a conspiracy website managed by someone who has no training in engineering? those towers were MEANT to take planes, as i've already said. The impact of a 707, a smaller plane. And they did survive the impact of the planes. It was the fires they didn't survive. fire has NEVER destroyed a steel building - ever.So you are saying the impact of a 767 travelling at 500 miles an hour is not relevant, as far as you're concerned the WTC had a fire? In other words, how many buildings have survived the impact of 767s and massive fires caused by thousands of gallons of jet fuel? None. massive steel columns cannot just "collapse into themselves". Do you think the steel colums were 110 stories tall? Seriously? this is bullshit. skip, you are no expert in physics, structural enginerring, and so forth,Neither are you or most fans of conspiracy theories.it's obvious what happened to WTC 7, it was a controlled demolition, larry silverstein himself said so. Yes, if you let conspiracy theorists define what "pull" and "it" means, then you call call that a confession. if drone planes were flown into the towers via remote control from this place, the building would have to be destroyed so there wouldn't be any evidence of it....Really - so the investigators that covered up every other aspect of 9.11 were going to reveal all the exciting stuff in the "CIA tower"? Keep in mind that the rest of the WTC buildings were demolished afterwards, its pretty hard to see why WTC7 would need to be demolished in advance by pre-wiring a building with explosives. Not to mention the fact that it burned for hours, was severely damaged, and eyewitness accounts say it looked like it was going to collapse.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Hey Pepik, if WTC7 fell because of fires that were burning for hours, than how the come the madrid building burned for days with raging fires on every floor and didn't collapse...in fact a steel frame building has NEVER collapsed due to fire, so you need to provide us with facts if your trying to prove this point.

Plus the fact is talking about this will never stop, no one knows exactly what happened and we never will because they took every single piece of steel from the scene and shipped it off to china as quick as possible. most pieces were equipped with global positioning mechanisms and one truck driver who was transporting some of it stopped to buy a sandwich and was FIRED. So this will always be debated, what's not debatable is this...

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html
If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time. In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.... Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month. In December 2002, Graham said he was 'surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the [September 11] terrorists in the United States ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now.' He could not but be referring to Pakistan and Mahmoud. If Mahmoud was really involved in September 11, this means the Pakistani ISI -'the state within the state' - knew all about it. And if the intelligence elite in Pakistan knew it, an intelligence elite in Saudi Arabia knew it, as well as an intelligence elite in the US..... On September 10, the Pakistani daily The News reported that the Mahmoud visit to the United States 'triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council'. If he'd been to the National Security Council, he had certainly met Rice. Mahmoud did meet with his counterpart, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director George Tenet. Tenet and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had been in Islamabad in May, when Tenet had 'unusually long' meetings with Musharraf. Armitage for his part has countless friends in the Pakistani military and the ISI. Mahmoud also met a number of high officials at the White House and the Pentagon and had a crucial meeting with Marc Grossman, the under secretary of state for political affairs. Rice maintains she did not meet Mahmoud then.... Million-dollar questions remain. Did Mahmoud know when and how the attacks of September 11 would happen? Did Musharraf know? Could the Bush administration have prevented September 11? It's hard to believe high echelons of the CIA and FBI were not aware of the direct link between the ISI and alleged chief hijacker Mohammed Atta. On October 7, Mahmoud was demoted from the ISI. By that time, Washington obviously knew of the connection between Mahmoud, Saeed Sheikh and Mohamed Atta: the FBI knew it.... as Asia Times Online has reported, Mahmoud did disappear. He lives in near seclusion in Rawalpindi....The families of September 11 victims, US public opinion, the demonized Islamic world, the whole world for that matter, all everybody wants to know is what really happened on September 11.... The genie - the crucial information - is still in the bottle. "
9-11 AND THE SMOKING GUN
Asia Times, 8 April 2004"

Now we know that the same Sheikh Saaed who wired the 100,000 to Mohammed Atta has been proven to be not only working for the ISI but was an M-I6 agent the entire time (http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=110171&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23), he was a double agent. This means he most likely killed Daniel Pearl for coming to close to the ISI-Al Qaeda connection, because it would lead right to M-I6 and the CIA. It is admitted that Al-Qaeda is funded by the ISI. The ISI is completely funded and controlled by the American CIA (http://www.btinternet.com/%7EnlpWESSEX/Documents/FightSmart18-11-2001.htm), who is in control of the CIA? You have George Tenet and Richard Armitage having long meetings in Islamabad with Musharraf, what were they talking about? why havn't they answered 70% of the questions asked by the families. stop trying to make this a purely physical debate, these are the questions the families want answered. By the way Bill Doyle, the head of the biggest 9/11 families group has stated publically that about half of the families believe that it's an inside job. (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060709040719187)

Yeah that's right, so when you tell us were hurting the families it's a blatant lie, YOU are hurting the families by equating people who ask questions about 911 with terrorists, retartds, and whackos.

[wackyiraqi]

they took every single piece of steel from the scene and shipped it off to china as quick as possible. Don't you think this statement is a little misleading?

Let's look at the first sentence. "Every single piece of steel from the scene was shipped off to China aqap?

How quick exactly is aqap?

Quick enough that SEI/ASCE teams had unlimited access to the WTC site for six days and was granted use of FEMA's Regional Operation Center on a 24/7 basis?

Quick enough where these investigation teams were allowed access to debris at Fresh Kills Staten Island Landfill and two recycling yards in New Jersey, where samples of structural steel were obtained and have since been subjected to labratory analysis?

http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/full02/mar06/corley.htm

most pieces were equipped with global positioning mechanisms and one truck driver who was transporting some of it stopped to buy a sandwich and was FIRED.Another misleading statement. A more accurate statement would have been.....

"To control theft, the nearly 200 trucks used to haul away steel from the WTC site were equipped with GPS devices so that their movements of this cargo could be tracked. This is in the wake of an investigation by the New York Police and the FBI of the theft of over 250 tons of steel, estimated at a value of roughly $17,500. One driver involved in the clean up operation was subsequently dismissed simply for taking an extended lunch break."

A statement like this still gets the point of the story across, that the steel was being tracked via GPS, but also explains why. Here are some snippets discussing the security of the cleanup site.

The New York Police and FBI are investigating the theft of over 250 tons of steel from the remains of the collapsed WTC towers. Apparently, the steel was hauled away by trucks involved in the official clear-up operation (see September 12-October 2001 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/item.jsp?item=a091201steelshipped)), but instead of being taken to Fresh Kills—the FBI-controlled dump on Staten Island where it was intended to go—the steel was driven to three independently-owned scrapyards, two in New Jersey and one on Long Island. The London Telegraph says the scrap metal value of the stolen steel would have been roughly $17,500. Investigators believe the theft was organized by one of New York’s Mafia families. [Daily Telegraph, 9/29/2001 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F09%2F29%2Fwnyc29.x ml)] Consequently, on November 26, 2001, the city initiates use of an in-vehicle Global Positioning System (GPS), to monitor the locations of nearly 200 trucks removing steel from the WTC collapse site, at a cost of $1,000 per unit. This system sends out alerts if any truck travels off course or arrives late at its destination. One driver involved with the clear-up operation is subsequently dismissed simply for taking an extended lunch break. [Access Control and Security Systems, 7/2002 (http://securitysolutions.com/ar/security_gps_job_massive/)]

The way you try and prevent evidence is in the same manner that most "conspiracy theorists" do. While not outright lying, you present fractions of statements, use implied wording, and give vague explanations. People that are simple minded or are too lazy to really find out what is going on are succeptable to believing information when it is presented this way. I do not know if this is something you learned in an attempt to spread your propaganda, or just subconciously picked up from reading material from CT sources. This is why CT believe they have evidence proving their theories, but when disected, most if not all is easily refuted. This is why absolutely no credible media sources have presented "9/11 Truth" information, because it simply does not hold water. This is the method Michael Moore uses to spread his deceit.

[Pepik]

I think it is pretty conclusive that "shipped off to China as quickly as possible" is a completely unfounded claim.

And that's a problem here. No matter how many errors you point out in a conspiracy theorists post, they are just a cut and paste away from dumping another thousand pieces of "evidence" on you. The last post's errors are forgotten, ignored, abandoned... until tomorrow when they reappear in another post. Yes, we'll be hearing again about air tight elevators, about how the WTC was supposed to survive the impact of a jet... etc.

Fire never destroyed a tower EVER. So? I pointed out that this statement implies that the fact that the WTC was hit by a 400,000 pound jet travelling at 500mph is somehow not relevant. Now we switch to WTC7. Of course rather than ignore the jet, now we are ignoring the fact that a 110 STOREY BUILDING COLLAPSED ON WTC7 AND CARVED A HUGE HOLE TENS OF STOREY HIGH OUT OF THE SIDE OF IT.

Come on, someone tell me how the Madrid building (which did, in fact, have a partial collapse) is a relevant comparison seeing as IT WAS NOT RIPPED OPEN BY THE COLLAPSE OF A 110 STOREY BUILDING. I think this is relevant, if you don't please explain why. I think this is a fair question.

[Pepik]

If Mahmoud was really involved in September 11, this means the Pakistani ISI -'the state within the state' - knew all about it. And if the intelligence elite in Pakistan knew it, an intelligence elite in Saudi Arabia knew it, as well as an intelligence elite in the US....This logic is completely false... as if the fact that two agencies have ever cooperated in the past means they are somehow fully in cahoots and share everything happily ever after... you need to raise your standards for "evidence".

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

What happened to this forum, it used to full of people who actually wanted to debate and not shills who just throw around all kinds of insults and praising everything they say as the absolute truth.

[Pepik]

What kind of answer is that supposed to be? I made a lot of specific points which you have completely refused to address. Why not try responding to the things I said yesterday?

[wackyiraqi]

What happened to this forum, it used to full of people who actually wanted to debate and not shills who just throw around all kinds of insults and praising everything they say as the absolute truth.What are you talking about? You have been here the whole time.
this guy is a complete joke
words can't describe what a fucking quack you arewhy don't you do us all a favor and leave these forums with your shillingget out of my face you scumThese are all things you said to me in ONE post. Some things are not debatable, such as many of the things you post. If there is evidence to the contrary and it is clear what you are saying is meant to manipulate and deceit people who are unwilling to further investigate, what is the point of debating? You are the one that is unwilling to debate. Look at my previous post. Instead of debating a point that is clearly explained, you move on. This is standard practice for you. If something you post is discredited you simply post another theory, instead of discussing why your post may be false or misleading.

[shaggie]

We've already been through the Madrid claim. The building suffered a partial collapse and it wasn't even struck by an aircraft. The demolition advocates need to stop spreading misinformation about these things and start doing some research before making such claims.

In any event, whether or not one building collapsed doesn't dictate the outcome of another building. Madrid and the towers were different buildings of different design and different circumstances.

http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/windsor5a.jpg

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[shaggie]

The Windsor had a large concrete transfer slab near the 20th floor. You can tell where it was at by where the collapse was arrested. If it weren't for that, the main floors would have continued to pancake to the ground like the wtc towers.

If you look carefully at the videos of the south wtc tower, part of the core was still standing briefly after the main floors had pancaked to the ground. It looked similar to that pic of the Windsor above.

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[shaggie]

Core of south tower after main floors had pancaked to the ground.

http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/coresouth.jpg

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[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Shaggie Im sorry man but I question the validity of these photos you come on here with, I have researched tons of 911 photographs and videos and i have never seen the ones you post. Can you provide me with the site your getting these from?

[shaggie]

I mentioned some of it before. There are videos from the Nova and TLC documentaries, which showed the core of the south tower and the spire of the north tower and other good video. There are also excellent videos by Steve Spak who was next to WTC6 on 911. He took some video of WTC7 while it was burning during the day.

There's also good data in the NIST report and elsewhere of the structure of the towers and WTC7.

The photos of the Windsor in Madrid are readily available on the web.

Much of what I've posted doesn't show up on conspiracy sites because it contradicts their claims.

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[shaggie]

Another video of the WTC7 by Steve Spak. All of that smoke is coming out of the south side of WTC7.

wmv9 format (300kb)

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7d.wmv

mpg vcd format (1mb)

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7evce.mpg

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[shaggie]

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[~MorningManiacMusic~]

Core of south tower after main floors had pancaked to the ground.

http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/coresouth.jpg

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That looks fake.Did you get this off Bill O'Reillys web site?9/11 was an inside job, get over it,and come to the forces of good.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Yeh seriously shagie, your such an agent, look at the extent he goes to disprove what's already confirmed by anyone with a brain. And I don't doubt that he would fake pictures, hey shaggie why don't you supply me with a non-government website that hosts these pictures.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996-2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982-1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.





Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised." http://www./... (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/13/911_panel_to_get_access_to_withheld_data/)
Salon Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com/... (http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1)
Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03
Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org/... (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256)
Bio: http://memory.loc.gov/... (http://memory.loc.gov/cocoon/vhp-stories/loc.natlib.afc2001001.03512/)
Senator Mark Dayton - Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services. U.S. Senator from Minnesota.



Senate Hearings on the 9/11 Commission Report 7/31/04: "They [NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission. ... For almost three years now NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history." http://www.911truth (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040805095600503)
Editor's comment: On August 1, 2006, Thomas Kean, Chairman of the 9/11 Commission said, "We, to this day, don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us. It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied." Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html) Astonishingly, in this matter of grave national importance, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
Article: "Dayton, a former Minnesota state auditor, called the FAA's and NORAD's failures "the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence that I've ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed in the public sector." http://www.9111 (http://www.911readingroom.org/bib/whole_document.php?article_id=306)
Bio: http://dayton.senate.gov/about/biography.cfm
Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993-2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.



Wall Street Journal Essay 11/17/05: "Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. … No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate." http://www.opin/... (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007559)
Bio: http://www.fbi.gov/libref/directors/freeh.htm
Edward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977-80). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.



Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:



"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ... (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)



Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Peck
Morton Goulder – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter (1973-77). Founder of Sanders Associates.





Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:



"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ... (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)

Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.





Video: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. … We can prove that the government’s story is false." http://video.goo... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8180123292618944278)
Essay: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l... (http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html)
Bio: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=bio
Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute (http://www.independent.org/).



Essay: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/... (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14566.htm)
Essay: "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations." http://www.counterpunc.... (http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02062006.html)
Bio: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/bio.htm
Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co



Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11 "The official story could not possibly have happened... It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45 minutes into the file.) http://157.... (http://157.22.130.4/data/20040909-Thu1700.mp3)
Essay: "The first category of people who benefited were those who are guilty and complicit in designing, implementing and financing the 9-11 operation. On such a sophisticated and successful covert operation, the people responsible would have had budgets and financing and would have organized the operation to maximize their political and financial benefits." http://globalresearch.ca/... (http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FIT403A.html)
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article ... (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)
Bio: http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html
Fred Burks – Former State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Al Gore, Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright. 18-year State Department career.



Essay: "How is it possible that our military's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? …







An even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions? Why isn't our military spending many millions of dollars to find out why military defense systems failed on 9/11? Why is it that the 9/11 commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger Disaster or even the Monika Lewinsky affair?"http://www.wanttoknow.info/911star... (http://www.wanttoknow.info/911starwars)
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/... (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)
Daniel Ellsberg, PhD - Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense. Former State Department envoy to Viet Nam. While working for the government, Ellsberg attained the ultimate civil service grade of GS-18, equivalent to a Major General. Former U.S. Marine Corps officer. Former military analyst for the Rand Corporation. Most well known for leaking the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971.

Interview 7/14/06: Regarding 9/11 "There is no question in my mind, that there is enough evidence to justify a very comprehensive and hard hitting investigation of the kind we have not seen. With subpoenas, general questioning of people, releasing a lot of documents. There’s no question that very serious questions have been raised about how much they knew before hand and how much involvement there may have been." http://www.infowars (http://www.infowars.com/articles/terror/pentagon_papers_author_gov_maybe_did_911.htm)
Bio: http://www.ellsberg.net/bio.html
Philip J. Berg, Esquire – Former Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania.



Article: "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie." http://www.americanfreepress.net/... (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/trade_towers_rescue.html)
Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:



"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php?... (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633)



Bio: http://www.911forthetruth.com/... (http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/BergBio.htm)
U.S. MILITARY OFFICERS Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981-84. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.





Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und ... (http://www.undersiegemovie.com/media/stubblebine.wmv)
Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board.... (http://www.canadiansub.com/Board.html)
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C.



Article: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." http://www.pris/... (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/010706doesnthunt.htm)
Bio: http://www.firstprinciplespress.org/... (http://www.firstprinciplespress.org/pages/colonel.htm)

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Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

* Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. …











Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...
* Bio: http://bowman2006.com/about....

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

* Essay: "The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …







With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …







As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson....

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.

* Article: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf....

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777 ’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

* Article: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn." …







"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com....
* Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...







It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." http://911underground.com/.../

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Chief of the Army’s controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the ABLE DANGER effort to target Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. 23-year military intelligence career.

* Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee 2/15/06 (page 18) - “After contact by two separate members of the ABLE DANGER team, … the 9-11 staff refused to perform any in-depth review of investigation of the issues that were identified to them. … It was their job to do a thorough investigation of these claims – to not simply dismiss them based on what many now believe was a “preconceived” conclusion to the 9-11 story they wished to tell. … I consider this a failure of the 9-11 staff – a failure that the 9-11 Commissioners themselves were victimized by – and continue to have perpetrated on them by the staff as is evidenced by their recent, groundless conclusion that ABLE DANGER’s findings were “urban legend”. http://www.abledan...
* Bio: http://www.c4ads.org/anthony.shaffer...




Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.

* Essay: "Reading through the official 9/11 report, I quickly lost my focus – apparently emulating the 9/11 commission over the past 20 months. …One wonders if the entire commission wasn't secretly replaced by pod people from the old Soviet Central Committee. I naively expected more constructive and useful information in the report." http://www.lewrockwell.com/...
* Bio: http://militaryweek.com/...t

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) - Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence. Currently, professor of history and international relations at the University of Maryland.

* Congressional testimony 8/15/05: "It falls to me this morning to bring to your attention the story of Saeed Sheikh, whose full name is Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, and his astonishing rise to power in Al Qaeda, his crucial role in 9/11, which is completely, utterly, missing from the 9/11 Commission report…











The 9/11 Commission which studied US intelligence and law enforcement community performance in great detail, (maybe not so much great detail, but they did), neglected to cover the community’s performance during the weeks following the attacks to determine who was responsible for them, not a word about that in the Report.











The Report does discuss the immediate US responses but the immediate investigation is never addressed, and anyone who has closely studied the post-9/11 investigation knows that the first breakthrough came two weeks into the investigation when the money transfers from the United Arab Emirates to the hijackers were uncovered.











Furthermore, if you have studied that investigation, you know there is no disputing that while investigators may have struggled with the identity of the paymaster, they were clear about one thing, he was Al Qaeda’s finance chief. For this reason alone you have to ask why the 9/11 Commission Report never mentions the finance chief’s role as the 9/11 paymaster." http://www.911readingroo

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq 1991-1998.

* Video: "I, like the others, are frustrated by the 9/11 Commission Report, by the lack of transparency on the part of the United States government, both in terms of the executive branch and the legislative branch when it comes to putting out on the table all facts known to the 9/11 case." http://video.go...

Barbara Honegger – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).

* Essay: "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC2, and in WTC7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ... A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system." http://blog.lege....

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

* Statement: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC1, 2, and 7, the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ... Link to full statement

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U.S. INTELLIGENCE SERVICES VETERANS Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

* Video: "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What’s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? … Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. … I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter, former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that’s certainly an impeachable offense." http://video.google...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/...
* Bio: http://faculty.schreiner.edu/...

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

* Essay: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." http://www.dissidentvoice.org...
* Article: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too," said Christison. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." http://www.prisonplanet.com/...

Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations.

* Congressional testimony 7/22/05: "I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission." http://www.house.gov/...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:



"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
o An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
o Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
o Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
o The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...



* Bio: http://ciponline.org/biographies....

Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations. Awarded Career Intelligence Medal. 21-year CIA veteran. Author of two nonfiction books about CIA operations, See No Evil and Sleeping with the Devil


* Audio Interview 6/9/06: Thom Hartmann: "Are you of the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?"



Baer: "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it."



Hartmann: "And why is it not being investigated?"



Baer: "Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anybody been held accountable for 9/11? We held people accountable after Pearl Harbor. Why has there been no change in command? Why have there been no political repercussions? Why has there been no, any sort of exposure on this? It really makes you wonder." http://www.911blogger.com/...
* Essay: "Did bin Laden act alone, through his own al-Qaida network, in launching the attacks? About that I'm far more certain and emphatic: no." http://books.guardian.co....
* Bio: http://www.concertideas.com/...

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

* Letter to 9/11 Commission: "I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations." http://www.com...

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

* Video transcript: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous. And if you look at what the word "treason" means in the Webster’s Dictionary, it’s a betrayal of a trust." http://www.911report.com...




Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and security veterans:

"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the [9/11 Commission] report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations." http://www.pogo.org/m/hsp/...


Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CA.

John M. Cole– Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.

David "Mark" Conrad – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.

Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.

Bogdan Dzakovic, Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (See also individual quote above.)

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and
counterintelligence operations, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (See also individual quote above.)

Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy Seal.

David Forbes– Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analysts, BoydForbes, Inc.

Melvin A. Goodman– Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual quote above.)

Mark Graf– Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.

Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.

Diane Kleiman– Former Special Agent, US Customs.
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual quote above.)

Lynne A. Larkin– Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.

David MacMichael – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps 10-year military service.

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual quote above.)

Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.

Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism
and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.

Brian F. Sullivan– Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.

Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret)– Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.

Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.

John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.

Dr. Fred Whitehurst – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001.

Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory





I think these people have a little more expertise than Shaggie the shill. Why don't you listen to people with experience and knowledge of the issues, not shaggie. I guess all these people are just conspiracy theorists right shaggie?

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Shaggie, even if that picutre is true, why did the core collapse then if it was still standing after the "Pancake" of the floors.

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I guess all these people are just conspiracy theorists right shaggie?Yes actually they are.

Why are you cutting and pasting such massive volumes into the thread? This is such a lame tactic - if a debunker asks a question you can't answer, immediately cut and paste five thousand other arguments into the thread. A lot of this stuff has no relevance - the fact that someone didn't like the commission doesn't mean they believe in controlled demolition, and when was the last government commission that didn't have critics? You are just trying to inflate a list of names.

When are you going to answer my questions?

[shaggie]

The videos and photos of the cores of both the north and south tower and of WTC7 were taken by a number of people. I already mentioned people who took video and stills who weren't government agents. Steve Spak is one of them. He's an independent journalist. The photos of the south core that were seen from the west side were taken by a man at his apartment in NJ. I'll try to look up his site and post it. I'm not sure who took the video of the south core from the east side. There were many people that day with camcorders taking video.

The cores weren't meant to stand on their own. They needed the long span floors and stiffness of the perimeter walls for stability. The remains of the cores stood for a few seconds at the end of the main collapse then collapsed. There's numerous video clips of the north core remains collapsing after it stood for a few seconds. You can see it leaning slightly at the end of the collapse. The column splices broke near the bottom and it collapsed from bottom to top..

The pancaking is clear from watching any of the videos. There was a couple trillion joules of energy stored up in the gravity. That's comparable to a small nuclear bomb and is what drove the collapse and did the damage. It's a ubiquitous energy and some people aren't aware of it, especially those without a background in science.

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Some in that list are conspiracy theorists. Many of them simply stated they weren't satisfied with the commission report and aren't CTers. I'm not satisfied with the commission report either and the lack of accountability. But I'm not going to resort to all kinds of unsubstantiated claims about 911 just because I'm not satisified with the report. That's as bad as making unsubstantiated claims about WMD as an excuse to invade other countries.

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[shaggie]

Remains of the north core after the main floors had pancaked to the ground:

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/northcore.jpg

[shaggie]

(my post that was unfairly flooded off a previous page)

Regarding WTC7, it doesn't make much sense to intentionally demolish it to try to destroy information. It's much easier to secure information from a building that's still standing. The CIA offices in WTC7 weren't highly sensitive anyway. There was an incredible amount of damage to six WTC buildings and other surrounding buildings at that point. One more building 7 hours later is more or less irrelevant in terms of a conspiracy theory.

WTC7 was unique in that it had a series of transfer trusses and girders to re-direct the load of most of the buiding around the Con-Ed electrical substation in the basement. That design made the building susceptible to a collapse if the trusses and girders were weakened by a long burning fire. It's also the reason why WTC7 collapsed from bottom to top, since the critical area that was damaged was near the ground level.

A fire burned in the region of the trusses and girders in the 5th to 7th floor area most of the day. The video below shows the staggering amount of smoke that was coming out most of the south side of WTC7 about mid-day. WTC6 is to its right and the Verizon building to its left.

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http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7c.wmv (http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/wtc7c.wmv)

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http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7c.rm (http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/wtc7c.rm)

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http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7c.3gp (http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/wtc7c.3gp)

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http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7c.mpg (http://home.flash.net/%7Elauras34/wtc7c.mpg)


The smoke darkened and the bouyancy increased in the last couple hours up to its collapse which indicates the fires worsened. It's difficult to see how a fire could burn all day in the same region without the diesel fuel of the power backup system burning. The office furnishings would have burned out on a particular floor within an hour or two.

Of course, someone can always claim that the firemen that went into WTC7 earlier in the day were really government agents that turned on the diesel pumps so that the steel would be weakened and the building would collapse.

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[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

hahaha shaggie cant reply to my list of Military and CIA sources who all claim that they believe 911 was an inside job or atleast that's what the evidence points to, he just says "well they are conspiracy theorists"...shaggie your a conspiracy theorist...and your a paid shill who posts on these forums, don't listen to this guy people.

[Pepik]

You really make no sense sometimes. Can you stick to one point for more than two seconds?

How does anybody respond to a list of names? Yes, other people believe something. What does that have to do with you, me, or Shaggie? Its not an argument. Can't you come up with your own argument and back it up yourself? Are you going to care if we provide a list of people who DO support the official story? Are we going to expect you to respond to our list of names? No, of course not.

And you clearly have no interest in credentials unless someone supports your conspiracy theory. Then suddenly you find their credentials very impressive. Can't lose that way.

[shaggie]

I said some in the list are CTers but that most in that list said they weren't satisfied with the investigation. That doesn't make all of them demolition advocates as some people would like others to believe.

I'd like to hear some explanations from people like Col. Nelson, for example, who is claiming that the four jets weren't even commercial aircraft. He makes such a claim but gives no explanation as to what happened to the commercial aircraft. He doesn't reconcile it with what witnesses saw in person and on TV and the communications with and the loss of all the people who were on the planes.

It's one thing to express a contention about the investigation that was done on the remains of the aircraft but it's another thing to make such wild claims about the aircraft. I may not get the license plate number of a car that side-wiped me but that doesn't mean it was a cruise missile of the government disguised as a car.

The burden is on people like Nelson to support their claims that contradict just about everything that was witnessed that day. Coming up with a bigger list of people who would like another 911 investigation doesn't do anything to prove the type of claims purported by Nelson.

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[wackyiraqi]

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

A couple of people that said they saw a plane.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

hahaha never once have i said i didnt think planes crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon. You are using straw man arguments and arguing points i didn't even make.

[wackyiraqi]

You are using straw man arguments http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/MyWebFilms/Drama/WizardScarCrowClose.jpg.

[Pepik]

hahaha never once have i said i didnt think planes crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon. You are using straw man arguments and arguing points i didn't even make.That's the point, you didn't even make an argument, you just dumped a list a name on us as if we are supposed to debunk a list of names.

Got a real argument? Go back through the thread, there's pleny you have refused to debate or points you have refused to defend.

Show us you can do more than cut and paste from conspiracy websites.

[Atom bomb therapy]

i HATE Hannity and Colmes

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Hannity is a Fed. He actually has meetings with the white house.

[Pepik]

What's wrong with meeting with the white house?

Also are you going to go back to proving your 911 conspiracy or have you admitted you can cut and paste but you can't debate?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Are you kidding me? What's wrong with journalists meeting in the white house?! Journalists are what keeps this republic intact by keeping those in power under watch, and now its ok for journalists to be in bed with the white house and have public meetings with them where what they talked about remains hidden? Pepik i bet your a fed or just a dumbass.


Or you just LOOOOVE the new freedom.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Pepik you can ask all the questions you KNOW i can't answer because I don't know exactly what happened on 9/11. But I can show more evidence that POWERFUL people made it happen within the Global Intelligence Community, not a bunch of arabs in a cave, and if you want to spend years denying have fun, while we slowly flow into tyranny, but i bet youll be one of the homeland security gulag security guards shooting innocent woman and children for the Fatherland.

[Pepik]

Pepik i bet your a fed or just a dumbass.Well I'm not dumb enough to confuse a journalist with a political commentator. Journalism needs to be impartial, not editorial. not a bunch of arabs in a caveNobody said it was a bunch of arabs in a cave, that's just what the conspiracy theorists tell you to think.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Ok well if your implying that it was funded by rich fundamentalist arabs that still strengthens my case because our government is in bed with them!

[wackyiraqi]

Ok well if your implying that it was funded by rich fundamentalist arabs that still strengthens my case because our government is in bed with them!That is another symptom of the sickness, believing everybody is "in on it".

[shaggie]

Hannity is a Fed. He actually has meetings with the white house. You forgot Tony Snow from Fox News, who is now the White House press spokesman. They might have just as well have picked O'Reilly. Why not go for the ultimate. :)


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[Pepik]

Ok well if your implying that it was funded by rich fundamentalist arabs that still strengthens my case because our government is in bed with them!If x is true, it proves a conspiracy. If x isn't true, it also proves the conspiracy.

Its no wonder you think there's so much evidence.

[shaggie]

Jones resigns from BYU.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/21/ap/national/mainD8KT8D401.shtml

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap/2006/10/21/ap3109618.html

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[USA in decline]

The question is no longer rhetorical. We are not yet living in a total police state, but it is fast approaching. The seeds of future tyranny have been sown, and many of our basic protections against government have been undermined. The atmosphere since 2001 has permitted Congress to create whole new departments and agencies that purport to make us safer – always at the expense of our liberty. But security and liberty go hand-in-hand. Members of Congress, like too many Americans, don’t understand that a society with no constraints on its government cannot be secure. History proves that societies crumble when their governments become more powerful than the people and private institutions.

Unfortunately, the new intelligence bill passed by Congress two weeks ago moves us closer to an encroaching police state by imposing the precursor to a full-fledged national ID card. Within two years, every American will need a “conforming” ID to deal with any federal agency – including TSA at the airport.

Undoubtedly many Americans and members of Congress don’t believe America is becoming a police state, which is reasonable enough. They associate the phrase with highly visible symbols of authoritarianism like military patrols, martial law, and summary executions. But we ought to be concerned that we have laid the foundation for tyranny by making the public more docile, more accustomed to government bullying, and more accepting of arbitrary authority – all in the name of security. Our love for liberty above all has been so diminished that we tolerate intrusions into our privacy that would have been abhorred just a few years ago. We tolerate inconveniences and infringements upon our liberties in a manner that reflects poorly on our great national character of rugged individualism. American history, at least in part, is a history of people who don’t like being told what to do. Yet we are increasingly empowering the federal government and its agents to run our lives.

Terror, fear, and crises like 9-11 are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people. The loss of liberty, we are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary. Many citizens believe that once the war on terror is over, restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. But this war is undeclared and open-ended, with no precise enemy and no expressly stated final goal. Terrorism will never be eradicated completely; does this mean future presidents will assert extraordinary war powers indefinitely?

Washington DC provides a vivid illustration of what our future might look like. Visitors to Capitol Hill encounter police barricades, metal detectors, paramilitary officers carrying fully automatic rifles, police dogs, ID checks, and vehicle stops. The people are totally disarmed; only the police and criminals have guns. Surveillance cameras are everywhere, monitoring street activity, subway travel, parks, and federal buildings. There's not much evidence of an open society in Washington, DC, yet most folks do not complain – anything goes if it's for government-provided safety and security.

After all, proponents argue, the government is doing all this to catch the bad guys. If you don’t have anything to hide, they ask, what are you so afraid of? The answer is that I’m afraid of losing the last vestiges of privacy that a free society should hold dear. I’m afraid of creating a society where the burden is on citizens to prove their innocence, rather than on government to prove wrongdoing. Most of all, I’m afraid of living in a society where a subservient populace surrenders its liberties to an all-powerful government.

It may be true that average Americans do not feel intimidated by the encroachment of the police state. Americans remain tolerant of what they see as mere nuisances because they have been deluded into believing total government supervision is necessary and helpful, and because they still enjoy a high level of material comfort. That tolerance may wane, however, as our standard of living falls due to spiraling debt, endless deficit spending at home and abroad, a declining fiat dollar, inflation, higher interest rates, and failing entitlement programs. At that point attitudes toward omnipotent government may change, but the trend toward authoritarianism will be difficult to reverse.

Those who believe a police state can't happen here are poor students of history. Every government, democratic or not, is capable of tyranny. We must understand this if we hope to remain a free people.

[shaggie]

The original source should be referenced:

http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=4189

http://www.house.gov/paul/

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[USA in decline]

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4870/ConstitutionalErosion.html

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Yes Whackyiraqi I obviously am "SICK" because I think powerful people are to blame for 9/11, not 19 arabs. Anyone with half a brain knows our current administration is in bed with the Saudis and Israel. Why does it not make sense to you that all of these countries gain from 9/11? Not Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran, or Syria, or any other countries Bush gets to invade with a blank check due to 9/11? Your in total denial.

[wackyiraqi]

Yes Whackyiraqi I obviously am "SICK" because I think powerful people are to blame for 9/11, not 19 arabs. Anyone with half a brain knows our current administration is in bed with the Saudis and Israel. Why does it not make sense to you that all of these countries gain from 9/11? Not Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran, or Syria, or any other countries Bush gets to invade with a blank check due to 9/11? Your in total denial.The rich arabs that the US government are in bed with are not fundamentalists. If the government was to stage a false attack to turn the US into a police state and be provided a blank check, would they need to stage an attack that was as complicated as 9/11? Involved so many people that would need to be accomplices? A plan that had so much risk of exposure?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Hey man, it sounds just as crazy to me, but the fact is they were dumb/crazy enough to do it and now people are waking up like not ever before, your just getting left behind as the rest of hamanity wakes up.

Our government ARE in bed with Fundamentalists! You don't think that the Saudi Arabian Government are fanatical? They rule over their country with outrageous religious laws, they are definitly religious fundamentalists, and are government are just fundamentalists for the Neo-con agenda. Whacky, you either know already or are just to naive. Just because you aren't evil doesn't mean there aren't evil people out there who will pull off terrorist attacks for their own agenda.

The fact that the government has people like you jumping from forum to forum preaching to everyone how "CRAZY" any other theory about 911 is except the official one, means they can get away with anything, because no matter what they do they will know you and many others will have their back!

Thanks for covering up the murder of 3,000 people, if you want to stop, join us.

[Patience]

i just wonder why the building couldnt be demolished by the plane crash?! it happens in front of all of us..

If it is about that the US admin. knew about that, well i think it did and it playes blind till it was dont to find a reason to invade Iraq and rob its oil... Havent you seen how bush linked Iraq with Osama BL to justify attacking iraq?

[Pepik]

Ok well if your implying that it was funded by rich fundamentalist arabs that still strengthens my case because our government is in bed with them!"The" fundamentalists. As if they were one group, one mailing list maybe so Bush could just cc: "The fundamentalists" whenever he and Dick Cheny are cooking up a plot.

The world isn't as simple as you want it to be.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Yes I know...I wish it was...but the fact is that you need to understand that as well. You want to believe this fantasy that 9/11 was an attack which came from completely outside the United States, you can't get your head wrapped around the fact that there are white people, powerful people, elitists, people who SAY your interests are their interests, that will kill you to get their agenda moved forward, I know it's sad, me and you both wished it was just 19 arabs who wanted to destroy america's infrastructure, but who is destroying are infastructure? The world isn't as simple as you want it to be...

[Pressed_Rat]

No steel-frame builiding has ever collapsed from fire prior to 9/11. The people who claim that planes brought the towers down simply do not have their facts together and should try informing themselves before speaking their establishment nonsense.

Everyone needs to watch '911 Mysteries: Demolitions', which can be seen on Google Video. This video literally proves the buildings were brought down in a controlled demolition.

ALSO....

To the people who think the planes brought down the towers, WHAT ABOUT BUILDING 7??

[shaggie]

Those other buildings weren't hit by a jumbo jet fully loaded with fuel. It's a nonsensical comparison.

We already addressed wtc7 in this thread.

911mysteries proves nothing. It's another flaky video produced by people with no background in structural engineering.

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[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Shaggie, you havn't proved jack. I showed you how the windsor building didn't collapse with MUCH bigger fires spread out on many floors as opposed to a few on 911...you said indeed some of the floors had collapsed, maybe, but only a few on the top and the core remained intact. The same thing would have happened on 911, maybe a few floors would collapse due to fire but the steel core would remain intact and the rest of the floors below the impact zone floor would have remained intact. Then you showed me a picture of the core standing after the collapse, this picture had been taken seconds if not less before it collapsed, why did the steel core collapse shaggie? want to answer these questions, of course not because you can't.

Very nice of you to insult the people who worked very hard on the movie "911 mysteries" and asking hard questions instead of yourself, another typical dumb liberal who likes to make fun of bush because he's stupid and takes too many vacations, while blatantly ignoring the global crime syndicate that backs him and that he's a puppet for, why don't you go to moveon.org and talk to some people there, im sure youll get along talking about abortion and minimum wage, while we talk about real issues like freedom.

[ExposeTheTruth]

Angel, why do you waste your time on these parasites?

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

haha man i really don't know, I guess its because i feel bad for people that don't understand basic human pyschology and basic things like 911 and who benefits...i can't really get passed it I want them to know and be aware of what's going on around them, but after a point it becomes obvious they want to ignorant and be asleep. Glad to see someone else here wants to "expose the truth" haha.

[shaggie]

The 911 conspiracy movement has definately lost steam since the 5th anniversary. The infighting between groups run by people like Fetzer, Hoffman, and Jones has become fierce. Just visit their forums. They are even showing up at each other's conferences and trying to steal members and disrupt the other group.

Steven Jones resigned from BYU due to an upcoming investigation by BYU about claims he was making about the towers without a proper scientific basis. Jones also recently quit Scholars for 911 Truth.

Reporter Chris Bollyns who was collaborating with Jones was fired from American Free Press for deceptive quote mining and outright lying about 911 and other events.

Judy Woods is in jeopardy of losing her professor position just like Jones for making utterly ridiculous explanations of the collapse of the towers that have no basis in science. Check out some of her 'science' at her website and see for yourself.

Kevin Ryan was fired for erroneously claiming that UL certified the steel in the WTC to try to bolster his claims that the towers couldn't have failed due to heat-damaged steel. He was actually employed by Environmental Health Laboratories which is affiliated with UL but not owned by them.

The 911 conspiracy claims have played out much like Bush's contentions about WMD in Iraq. It sounded convincing initially to some of the public and they were duped, but people later realized that there wasn't any basis for it and rejected it.

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[shaggie]

Shaggie, you havn't proved jack. I showed you how the windsor building didn't collapse with MUCH bigger fires spread out on many floors as opposed to a few on 911...you said indeed some of the floors had collapsed, maybe, but only a few on the top and the core remained intact. The same thing would have happened on 911, maybe a few floors would collapse due to fire but the steel core would remain intact and the rest of the floors below the impact zone floor would have remained intact. Then you showed me a picture of the core standing after the collapse, this picture had been taken seconds if not less before it collapsed, why did the steel core collapse shaggie? want to answer these questions, of course not because you can't.


All of the long span floors above the technical floor did collapse, not just a few. Look at the photo. The Windsor didn't have the same design as the WTC towers. We've been through this before. The technical floor was concrete and managed to arrest the collapse. Also, it wasn't struck and damaged by a jumbo jet.

The WTC cores weren't made to stand on their own. What was left of the cores managed to stand for only a few seconds. They oscillated and leaned and the splices broke. Watch the videos of them.

For those who don't like practical explanations, visit Judy Wood's page about space beams and how she thinks they destroyed the core. You might want to do it before she gets fired from her university position too.

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[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Haha ok shaggie...actually the 911 truth movement, although some stupid infighting because Fetzer is an idiot, along with Judy Wood, has happened, this makes no difference. I was down at ground Zero on 9/11 and i would say 90% of firefighters and police I talked to agreed with me and said we need a new investigation, they heard bombs on 911, and that they think it was an inside job. So shaggie, your shilling is worthless, and you trying to demonize the 911 truth movement is pathetic. We don't have leaders like you dumb liberals do (chomsky, Zinn, etc.) we all band together and we are all just as important as every other person involved, I don't care if Jones and Fetzer had a fight, all I see is some professors bitching, it makes no difference.

People, 911 was an inside job, and we need to fight against this criminal government instead of laying down and bitching about typical liberal bullshit like shaggie wants us all too.

[wackyiraqi]

Judy WoodGoddamn is she homely. Whew.
http://www.teamliberty.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Wood.JPG

[CoRriNieRiNniE]

Goddamn is she homely. Whew.
http://www.teamliberty.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Wood.JPG
ahahaha... damn. thats so mean. but i cant argue with you..

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

haha Judy Wood is definitly not a looker...or very smart for that matter.

[wackyiraqi]

She is so ugly I actually feel bad calling her ugly.

[sentient]

that woman is the ugliest thing I've ever seen thats only got one head

[Elijah]

actually i think a lot of these so called 9/11 truth groups are just moles put in place to make anyone who doubts the government's explanation out to look like lunatics. that's just my two cents to add to your dollar. http://www.iamthewitness.com/ . i as well as many others believe Israel had some sort of involvement in this. if anything 9/11 was a false flag done to make it look like a bunch of arabs did it.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Elijah...I think most of the people who are online saying "the jews did it the jews did it!!!" are the ones who are moles. Israel was in some way involved, definitly, but it was a false flag op involving compartmentalized parts of a couple different governments including the US.

[Elijah]

i think a lot of these "9/11 truth" are moles put into place to intentionally spread misinformation. even the guy who funded the spare change "documentary" nathan simon has a known association with lee hamilton of the government's 9/11 commision. that alone should raise a few red flags. if you want genuine and serious inquiry into september 11th look here http://www.iamthewitness.com/ not here http://www.infowars.com/ alex jones is a zionist tool. keep in mind that those who promote the idea that this was only the work of pissed off arabs more often than not have much to gain from the so called war on terror. a lot of these people are to no surprise zionists that happen to be jews or christians parroting what pat robertson and his ilk say every sunday morning. never mind the fact that the jews who were wrongly handed over Palestine have no known genetic lineage with the Israelites of the old testament. Orthodox jews are not semitic, for more light on this subject read the thirteenth tribe by Arthur Koestler

"Elijah...I think most of the people who are online saying "the jews did it the jews did it!!!" are the ones who are moles. Israel was in some way involved, definitly, but it was a false flag op involving compartmentalized parts of a couple different governments including the US."

daryl bradford smith isn't blaming all the world's jews for 9/11, just the zionists. keep in mind not all jews are zionists. but maybe if you bothered reading the webpage for more than five minutes you'd know that. actually there are a lot of jews that oppose the political state of israel, which by the way is guilty of war crimes and terrorism. as a matter of fact there were even jews in attendence at the recent holocaust conference in iran. not only that but they were invited speakers to that event. actually there are more christian zionist than jewish ones. on september 11th they caught five israelis videotaping and cheering while the planes wrecked into the two buildings. you know why our media won't seriously look into israel being a culprit in this? because our media and our government has their grubby hands in the pockets of zionists. notice how they've never shown us photage of the plane that wrecked into the pentagon, nor did they show any boarding photage for any of these flights. i really do believe that 9/11 was a false flag perpetrated buy Mossad with the federal government's approval of course. but it's a fact that many of these so called 9/11 truth groups have connection to the zionist lobby. otherwise certain ones wouldn't be so heavily promoted by our controlled media. Israel destroyed the USS Liberty back in the 1960s, so what makes you think they'd hesitate to do the same to two of our buildings over here? the quickest way the pro israel lobby can make someone look bad for criticising them is to fling the "anti semite" remark at them and everyone goes crazy. http://www.erichufschmid.net/CriminalNest_Diagram.png

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

I agree Zionists played a huge role in 9/11, but to believe only one group of people was involved in this is naive...lots of different groups who benefitted differently were involved. The Military Industrial Complex (wanted an excuse for perpetual war and a new "enemy" after the cold war was over), The Zionists (Wanted to destroy certain arab nations and maintain Israel's power in the Middle East), Kroll Associated and other Security firm based companies who benefitted off 9/11 because after those days building security contracts raised significantly in price, CIA drug Dealers (To turn off any investigation into CIA drug dealing, which was a main concern in our country until we all had to come together against the arabs). Lots of other groups benefit too, and I hate to see people running around saying the Zionists and Israel did 9/11 Period, it's not that black and white.

[cadcruzer]

I was down at ground Zero on 9/11 Really? did you just remember this"because i can't remember you EVER making this claim before"? i'm sure you have some proof of this.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

9/11/06, your retarted.

[Pressed_Rat]

Fetzer and Wood are right on the money, IMO. It's Jones (Stephen Jones) who people should be concerned about, which the "Truth" movement have made their infallible "God." But, the infiltrated, controlled, so-called 9/11 "Truth" movement will continue believing whatever its self-appointed "leaders" tell them to believe, and its zombie followers will never question it because it's nothing more than a bunch of malcontents and Alex Jones worshipping 16 yr. olds looking for a group of like-minded halfwits to fit in with. So go ahead and put on your matching 9/11 t-shirts and walk around like a bunch mindless sheep, believing people actually find you credible, while loudmouth Alex Jones leads the herd shouting into his bullhorn.

It should be called the 9/11 Bowel Movement. I wouldn't join that group of mindless, CIA manipulated drones if my life depended on it.

Anyone who thinks thermite, and thermite alone, brought those towers down with such explosive force is a fucking idiot. I don't doubt thermite may been used in some way, but it was used in tandem with UNCONVENTIONAL weaponry, utilizing tactical mini-nukes and directed energy devices. NO DOUBT!

These weren't your average controlled demolitions, people. These were violent EXPLOSIONS which sent steel beams hurtling into neighboring buildings. The energy that was seen emitted with these demolitions was far more akin to a nuclear detonation or volcano than a run-of-the-mill controlled demolition, which use CONVENTIONAL explosives.

Please, get a clue and form an opinion that is YOUR OWN, then talk shit. Stop believing whatever Alex Jones tells you to believe.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Pressed...reguardless of what your opinion on how the towers fell is, stephen jones is the one who gives a credible face to this movement...Fetzer and Wood are the crazier ones who go out on Fox and spout all their emotional babble. You say to be wary of Jones? Jones isn't the one like Fetzer who is regularly allowed on Fox news...Why? And why, when he appears on the mainstream media, does he spout out emotional dribble and make people who question 9/11 look like a nutcase. The physics and the science are, IMO, the least important thing about 9/11...what matters in reguards to 9/11 is proving it was an inside/globalist job to mainstream america. And why all the hatred of Alex Jones? he has woken up more people than you and I ever could in a lifetime, or atleast have at this point, so stop going on forums and bitching about people like Jones who try their best when your just sitting around.

[Pepik]

Please, get a clue and form an opinion that is YOUR OWN, then talk shit. Stop believing whatever Alex Jones tells you to believe.Hilarious. Not long ago YOU were quoting Alex Jones and his theories. Now everyone who believes them is an idiot and your new, improved theories are the real truth. And did you think these theories up yourself? No, they're just flavor of the month conspiracy theories. Get your new conspiracy theories, last month's are already out of style!
These weren't your average controlled demolitions, people. These were violent EXPLOSIONS which sent steel beams hurtling into neighboring buildings. The energy that was seen emitted with these demolitions was far more akin to a nuclear detonation or volcano than a run-of-the-mill controlled demolition, which use CONVENTIONAL explosives.Yes and the entire controlled demolition and structural engineering world is keeping quiet about it. Only a buch of loonies with no training or expertise in either field can spot these apparent "giveaway" clues of nuclear bombs and death rays from outer space.

Tune in next month to find out that space beams and nuclear bombs are for IDIOTS and the real, REAL truth is... oh you'll just have to stay tuned for that.

[ekomS deeW]

there is just no reasoning with hypnotized minds....

[SourceoftheForce]

Hello people, this is your vice-president and I am telling you that if you want a real answer to all this hyperbole all you have to do is click your heels together three times and say there is no business like show business. Oh and by the way, if by some miraculous convergence of opportune luck you manage to get a real glimpse of the workings of Pharoah's temple, treasure it. Just remember all of you are powerless to defeAT me and even if HUMANs achieved complete liberty from tyranny, I can still blow the planet up. So enjoy your few shekels I allow you to spend and banter away kids, Ilove you all and may FRAUD bless the USA! Sincerely UNCLE D

[brandydawn]

There is plenty of footage - no , not the stuff you are shown on the mainstream media - that shows there has been something connected to the bottom of both the planes. Something very large, that shouldn't be there. Im sure so many of you will be quick to say things along the lines of - doctored footage - that can work both ways though cant it? Now, if these planes supposedly took off from huge airports, how did this get there unoticed. The USA is nothing more than a somewhat unknowing guinea pig country to get things happening for a bigger agenda. Damn good way of getting id cards up and happening wasn't it - something that up until 9/11 was proving somewhat difficult. Now, the majority of the US beleives in these cards for supposed "security" reasons.