Latest word-Pemit Denied

[hippiestead]

See what happens when a few Rainbows take it upon themselves to play the permit game; the FS denies it anyway. Maybe they want the Rainbows to Gather at a site with endangered species....it's happened before, the FS wanting us at a site that is totally inappropriet(bad spelling) for a Gathering.
One reason sited for the denial of the permit is because there is only one way in or out...is that because they want better access to pull the night raids that they've also done before????

The permit situation is just an FS game, not meant for the protection of the environment, the forest, the locals or anything; it's just a way for the government to 'prove' that they have control over the Rainbows (which they never will have because Rainbows are free thinkers!)

[soaringeagle]

your under arrest if you dont sign a permit..ok..i'll sign..permit denied..your under arrest for not having a valid permit...nice lil scam they got goin huh?
last years permt forced us onto a site 1/8 the size of most, the purpose, force us to impact the land heavily so they can say look, they destroyed this site..didnt work though, cleanup still went perfect

[soaringeagle]

ok, i just read over this site with info on the permits
http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/nfs-regs/fs-training.html
theyre required to provide reasonswhy it wss denied, in writting at the time its denied, & is then subject to immediate judicial revue
so..my question is, what was the reason cited for denial?
(not that i want a permit orr anything, just curius)

[RouttCountyAlliance]

The permit was denied for two reasons: 1. the area proposed for the site of the gathering is accessed by one road and doesn't provide sufficient access points in the event of an emergency such as a wildfire. 2. the Forest Service reported that the Rainbow Family gathering poses conflicts with forest uses for businesses that have priority permits and activities planned in the area during the same time as the proposed Rainbow event, according to a Forest Service news release.

[WanderingturnupII]

In Alliance with Whom?

[hippiehillbilly]

umm so how many people are on the land now??

ive heard conflicing reports,, but lets go with ,, say 800..

so what are they going to do,, call in the state trooppers,,the state bi's a few more forest freddies,, an bring in buses to arrest 800 people??

[hippiehillbilly]

In Alliance with Whom?
umm the allience against revenues to there town perhaps??

[hippiehillbilly]

ewwww acording to there own web site 2000 on the land and only 218 citations issued thus far..


Contact: Denise Ottaviano, 505-301-1289

Diann Ritschard, 970-870-2187

Rainbow Gathering Media Update

12 noon, June 22, 2006
(Steamboat Springs, CO) June 22, 2006–Approximately 2,000 people are at the Rainbow Family gathering site and the numbers continue to grow daily. The gathering area is located approximately 30 miles north/northeast of Steamboat Springs or about an hour's driving time. Forty two total personnel from the National Incident Management Team (NIMT) are assigned to this incident, including NIMT members, Forest Service law enforcement officers (LEOs) and four resource advisors. The Forest Service is being assisted by the Routt County Sheriff's Office.

Forest Service law enforcement officers have issued approximately 218 violation notices to date.

An application was submitted for a noncommercial group use permit for the Rainbow Gathering on June 20. Forest Service officials at various levels are evaluating the approval or denial of the permit with consideration of several criteria involving environmental, health and safety concerns. The Forest Service has 48 hours to respond to the applicant.

Public health officials entered the gathering site on June 21 to inspect kitchens, slit trenches and address other sanitation issues. Forest Service resource advisors have also visited the site to monitor and evaluate campfires, kitchens, latrines and other areas that could potentially impact natural resources.

Forest Service LEOs continue to patrol the gathering area and issue citations to anyone entering the gathering area or determined to have come from within the illegal gathering area. A safety and information checkpoint was not staffed on June 21; however, law enforcement personnel continue to distribute flyers stating that the gathering is in violation of federal regulations.



an heres there press release on the permit...


News Release
USDA Forest Service
Rocky Mountain Region
Medicine Bow & Routt National Forests, Thunder Basin National Grassland


Contact: Denise Ottaviano, 505-301-1289

Diann Ritschard, 970-870-2187

Forest Service Denies Permit for Rainbow Gathering

(Steamboat Springs, CO) June 22, 2006 – Today, Forest Supervisor Mary Peterson denied an application from an individual for a permit to allow the Rainbow Family to gather on National Forest Land in North Routt County.

The application was received for a permit Wednesday, June 19, over a week after the event became an illegal gathering when the group exceeded the 74 people group size limit. The permit was denied because it did not meet criteria set forth in the Code of Federal Regulations for noncommercial group uses.

The reasons for denial include:

The area proposed for the event is accessed by one road, providing inadequate ingress/egress in case of a large fire. A significant amount, 60% - 70% across the landscape, of the forest surrounding the area is dead or dying from the extensive beetle epidemic. Forest conditions are ripe for large fires. In recent years, large fires with rapid spread are more frequent than they have been in the past. This situation poses a public safety hazard.
The event poses conflicts with existing uses for businesses that have Priority Permits and have activities planned in the area at the same time as the gathering.
Forest Supervisor Peterson stated, “The group showed up without any coordination with the Forest Service, even after numerous attempts. Events of this magnitude require planning and careful consideration of public safety and natural resource protection. No one is exempt.” Forest Service officials first attempted working with members of the Rainbow Family in September, 2005, for this year's gathering.

Large groups have a constitutional right to gather on National Forest System lands. They also have the legal responsibility to attain the required special use permit. The permit establishes the time, place, and manner in which the gathering can take place. The permit process and requirements have been upheld by the Supreme Court and do not interfere with constitutional rights.

-end-


FUCKEM WE ARE THERE TO STAY PERMIT OR NOT,,.. HOOO RAAAAAAA

[hippiehillbilly]

The event poses conflicts with existing uses for businesses that have Priority Permits and have activities planned in the area at the same time as the gathering.

SO THE LOCALS CAN GO PARTY DOWN THERE,, AN THATS ALL GOOD,, BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED CAUSE WE MAY BURN THE FOREST DOWN??

PFFFFT...

[hippiehillbilly]

RUN FAMILY THAT IS ABLE GET THERE A.S.A.P.!!

in Ottaviano's own words.. taken from ,,
a article posted on AGR from the denver post..

This may make surviving in the forest more difficult for the Rainbow
Family, whose members depend on runs to grocery stores several miles
away for food and supplies. And family members worry that the hassle
and the citations may deter tens of thousands of others from joining
them.


But otherwise, Ottaviano said, "it's not feasible for us to try to
block out 20,000 people."


If the gathering were to reach that size, as it has in past years, it
would match the entire population of Routt County in 2003 census data.

[*Foxy*]

Shoot, guess you'll all just have to go home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hippie%2C_Die

[soaringeagle]

they musta known about these businesses (i.e. logging?) habing these priority permits long before they began the harrassment & citations ..aditionsly, 1 road in does not mean one entrence 1 exit, i cant tell ypu how many gathering have had no road in or out
every national has dozens of trailsw in & out from all directipns
and if there is a road through the site..thats 2 exits since i'm certain it doesnt just dead end in the woods but continues through the site to a fs road
lastly, if the site was approvable as far as access goes for the "business use" the exAct same criteria would allow its use for a non commercial use
do they really think we're all braindead idiots who cant see through all the holes in theyre arguments?

someone please try to get more info on these suposed priority permits, including the dates filed & approved, the exact locations identified in the permits & the proposed uses
im sure any ofthe family lawyers on site already are on the ball, but still id like to be armed with as much truth as possible when i get there

[soaringeagle]

Shoot, guess you'll all just have to go home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hippie%2C_Die yes thats exactly what we're doing, we're comming home!!!

[lonewolf313]

We're coming home. I'm a journalist, I'm going to have the press release faxed to me, if anyone has any insightful questions or insightful + tackful statements you believe one in my position should consider before interviewing these subjects on this manner, please post them here or pm me.
I gather information, document and observe - that is my function.

[hippiehillbilly]

someone please try to get more info on these suposed priority permits, including the dates filed & approved, the exact locations identified in the permits & the proposed uses

SHOUT OUT TO DRUMMIN MAMMA!!!:D
I KNOW YA HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE SISTER,, BUT SURLEY YA KNOW WHERE TO ACCESS THOSE RECORDS.. THEY ARE PUBLIC AFTER ALL AN YOUR WELL IN THE LOOP THERE..

come on help a brother out??


love n light..

[pen]

..aditionsly, 1 road in does not mean one entrence 1 exit, i cant tell ypu how many gathering have had no road in or out
every national has dozens of trailsw in & out from all directipns
and if there is a road through the site..thats 2 exits since i'm certain it doesnt just dead end in the woods but continues through the site to a fs road

Actually it does just dead-end, there really is only one way in and out. Hwy 129 is the only true thru-road in the area and that's about 5 miles from your gathering site.

[RouttCountyAlliance]

umm the allience against revenues to there town perhaps??
Soaring Eagle asked a specific question - I simply posted the answer as it was stated by the FS.

You seem eager to incite conflict?

[hippiehillbilly]

no i seem eager for as many of my family as possible to make it home for the sacred day of the fourth..

so just where do you purpose 2000 + people move to and set up a infrustructure in 7 days for 20,000 people??

is yer alliance gonna pay fer the move??

cause i gaurantee ya a lot of folks have thru a shit pot load of green,, cash babylonian promisary notes,, whatever ya wanna call it to bringing we as a family together to celabrate..

an face it fully 70% of people on the land now work over 6 months a year.. and many are well educated,, such as public school teachers..

they have the summer off to do there part for the family..
i dont see why you seem so threatened,,nor do i see why you feel im inciting ,,one would assume yer insinuating violence,, because im encouraging my family to go home..

do you fear your allience cant be controlled?? do you fear your allince may become violent??

because i have no worries about my family,, they will blend,,an itll all be good..

love n light..

[soaringeagle]

We're coming home. I'm a journalist, I'm going to have the press release faxed to me, if anyone has any insightful questions or insightful + tackful statements you believe one in my position should consider before interviewing these subjects on this manner, please post them here or pm me.
I gather information, document and observe - that is my function. yes in addition to what i stated above, what are the criteria for "priority permit" status, since the regs state s[ecificaly that all groups will be evaluated by the exact same criteria, therefore why are permits granted to one group but not another
additionaly i think the real circumstances of the blockade incident need to be investigated & exposed

to all steamboat residents, 2 years ago in california, modoc national forresst, the fs attempted to create a huge wedge betweeen the locals especialy the local tribes, & the family using deceite & manipulation they nearly succeeeded and thetribal elders were brought to the site in an attemt to further incite distrust, however after family members had a chance to speak one on 1 with the elders theyre minds opened & a lets wait & see attitude was adopted..after the gathering wound down & cleanup was completed, the modoc press gave ussome ofthe best praises i've seen in print, the fact is, it was the fs itself that did the most dammage at that, & many other sites
if your worried about the resources as much as we are, do research into the "priority business use permits" that will be the real destruction of the land

thats what this issue isabout really, use vs missuse ..proffit vs prayer


& the justification for a 3/4 million dollar budget to harrass peaceful people
iurge all localsto come on out & judge for yourself..gop right on by A-camp & make the trek into the heart of the gathering..then go back 6 months later or a year & see if u can see any sign we had ever been there

then dothe same at any 1 of the areas the fs allows to be clearcut

we live in the forresst, we see what they are allowing to happen..that is the only reason they try so hard to tell us where to go
some sites we gather on are full of missile craters, others are near 30 square mile tank ranges
hows that affect the environment not to mention wildlife?
yet theyre "permitted" to blow holes in the forrest for years, but to gather peacefuly to pray we're denied?
all ya gottado is think about it, & do alittle research and its plain to see who the real danger tothe forresst is.
i'm not including the resource management folks in this, they generaly are a great group with theyre hearts in the right places, but the rest of the incident team..the leos & therest are totaly unnecasary andarea part of thereal danger tothe forrset

before the allegheny pa gathering i spent a couple months wandering those woods b4 the very 1st folks showed up, i'd been up & down every trail that wasremotely navigitable, & i can tell you not many didnt end at an oil well, or leaking tank or clearcut or stripmine..the lands being raped by those charged to protect it

we see this & choose to protect it out of our sence of sacredness, not because we have to justify a budget, but because the beauty makes our hearts soar..butthe destruction makes usweep for our mother

sorry if i rambled, guess i hadalot to say

[hippiehillbilly]

we see this & choose to protect it out of our sence of sacredness, not because we have to justify a budget, but because the beauty makes our hearts soar..butthe destruction makes usweep for our mother

sorry if i rambled, guess i hadalot to say
luvin you brother,, i just paraphrased for ya.. ;)

[soaringeagle]

The permit was denied for two reasons: fine, lets examine these 1. the area proposed for the site of the gathering is accessed by one road and doesn't provide sufficient access points in the event of an emergency such as a wildfire. roads? we dont need any roads at all to get in & out of a gathering, roads are just used by the leos for increased harrassment since that allows them access by vehicle & horse
we love the fs when they walk on in & hangout but, in the past theyve been driving in, & comming in in force on horseback, with wooden samarai swords strapped on aswell ad guns both the vehicles & horses tear up & compact the soil & vegitation as well as poluting (no fs has ebvver cleaned up the horseshit, its always up to us o bury it, & yes they have shit in delicate streams & even thesprings we use for water, so much for protecting public health) 2. the Forest Service reported that the Rainbow Family gathering poses conflicts with forest uses for businesses that have priority permits and activities planned in the area during the same time as the proposed Rainbow event, according to a Forest Service news release. interesting, so, 1 road in is only a problem if your not a business? so, what they'll have a dozen helicopters on hand in case of fire?
c'mon cant yasee the holes in this? both 1 & 2 cannot be true, if condition 1 is grounds for denial, conditiion 2 could not exist, since suposedly condition 2 exists condition 1 cannot be concidered appropriate grounds for denial since another group was approved for thesame area at the same time

[free2fly]

Shoot, guess you'll all just have to go home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hippie%2C_Die
Lol...

Well I'm flying out from North Carolina, this is my very first gathering, and I'll be damned if I'm going to turn around and go back! And Im sure every one here who has invested both time/money into traveling to Colorado for this gathering, agree...

(So, see yall there! :) )

[drumminmama]

At work: if this was posted, forgive
from Denver Post:
Rainbow campers get court hearings today
By Brandon Lowrey
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com

Steamboat Springs - Thousands of hippies gathering in a forest near Steamboat Springs won't be able to remain there legally, federal officials declared Thursday as they denied the group's belated application for a land-use permit.

A national task force has been scrambled to watch and cite those who take part in the Rainbow Family gathering, which has consisted of more than 2,000 peace-preachers and is expected to draw tens of thousands more. The Colorado State Patrol and local agencies statewide are set to contribute to the task force's ranks, said U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Kim Vogel.

"We're not picking on innocent people," said Denise Ottaviano, a U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman who came to Steamboat Springs from Washington as part of the task force. "Everyone there is part of an illegal gathering."

Hundreds of those ticketed are set to appear before a federal magistrate in a makeshift courtroom today. The magistrate, manning the bench in a firehouse a few miles from the gathering site, could impose up to a $5,000 fine and six months of jail time on each defendant.

The permit application was declined because of a fire danger concern and the fact that the land on which the hippies are camping has been booked by other businesses or groups, officials said in a statement.

This may make surviving in the forest more difficult for the Rainbow Family, whose members depend on runs to grocery stores several miles away for food and supplies. And family members worry that the hassle and the citations may deter tens of thousands of others from joining them.

But otherwise, Ottaviano said, "it's not feasible for us to try to block out 20,000 people."

If the gathering were to reach that size, as it has in past years, it would match the entire population of Routt County in 2003 census data.

The task force had set up a checkpoint on a remote road near the gathering on Thursday, handing out warnings and citations.

On Tuesday, 15 forestry officials abandoned a checkpoint after more than 200 family members allegedly hurled sticks and rocks at them as officers barred the road. No one was injured or arrested.

Family members deny being violent, saying it would go against the group's message. Several said they told the authorities that they love them and sang the national anthem as they formed a circle around the officers, locking hands. The officers drew their weapons, and the family members eventually stepped aside, they said.

Rainbow Family members were scattered through a stretch of Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest about 30 miles north of Steamboat Springs, bordering a meadow where they hold prayer circles.

[RouttCountyAlliance]

no i seem eager for as many of my family as possible to make it home for the sacred day of the fourth..

so just where do you purpose 2000 + people move to and set up a infrustructure in 7 days for 20,000 people??

is yer alliance gonna pay fer the move??

cause i gaurantee ya a lot of folks have thru a shit pot load of green,, cash babylonian promisary notes,, whatever ya wanna call it to bringing we as a family together to celabrate..

an face it fully 70% of people on the land now work over 6 months a year.. and many are well educated,, such as public school teachers..

they have the summer off to do there part for the family..
i dont see why you seem so threatened,,nor do i see why you feel im inciting ,,one would assume yer insinuating violence,, because im encouraging my family to go home..

do you fear your allience cant be controlled?? do you fear your allince may become violent??

because i have no worries about my family,, they will blend,,an itll all be good..

love n light..
Let's re-cap of the only things I've ever posted (as a long time listener / first time caller) in this forum:

1.

The permit was denied for two reasons: 1. the area proposed for the site of the gathering is accessed by one road and doesn't provide sufficient access points in the event of an emergency such as a wildfire. 2. the Forest Service reported that the Rainbow Family gathering poses conflicts with forest uses for businesses that have priority permits and activities planned in the area during the same time as the proposed Rainbow event, according to a Forest Service news release.2.

Soaring Eagle asked a specific question - I simply posted the answer as it was stated by the FS.

You seem eager to incite conflict?I guess I'm trying to deduct how you came to the conclusions that:

A. I'm proposing the gathering moves ("so just where do you purpose 2000 + people move to and set up a infrustructure in 7 days for 20,000 people??")

B. That I fear anything ("do you fear your allience cant be controlled?? do you fear your allince may become violent??")

C. That I am concerned with capitalizing on or care about any monetary benefit from this event ("cause i gaurantee ya a lot of folks have thru a shit pot load of green,, cash babylonian promisary notes,, whatever ya wanna call it to bringing we as a family together to celabrate..")

I know you've had a lot of time in front of the computer since you injured your back and that living vicariuosly through this forum helps you feel important and a part of the national gathering but I think your getting too paraniod.

I posted a solicited answer to a question and because of my name, you infer that I'm somehow against you? If my name was naked-kind-puppypuller-the wookie, would I have been more excepted by you?

Who knows.

What I do know, is that because of my name, you judged me and considered me a foe without any reason (except my appearance) which is exactly what you claim mainstream Babylon does to you - You're a sad product of your own angst.

[hippiehillbilly]

What I do know, is that because of my name, you judged me and considered me a foe without any reason (except my appearance) which is exactly what you claim mainstream Babylon does to you - You're a sad product of your own angst

man i aint judged you.. im bendin over backwards with my limited typin skills to articulate..

where have i judged you?? or yours??


so now once gain i get a inflamitory statement fer not quite articulating well..

seems to be the stream on this part of my world..

so ya want me to sy what???

what is it ya ,,err yer allience expects from me??

[hippiestead]

What I do know, is that because of my name, you judged me and considered me a foe without any reason
Ahh, but your name does raise suspicion from many Rainbows; when you have dealt with the things that many of us here have, it is hard not to have defense mechanisms in place for anyone who may be connected with any law enforcement officials. And the name alone is not the only thing that will raise suspicion in any of the Rainbow forums, especially this time of year; attitude & subject matter count as well.

Please excuse HHB's posts if they bother you; he is simply being himself & we love him for it.

We for one are appreciative of the name you chose but it would be nice to know what your affilitiations are and what your intentions are as far as posting on HipForums....

[drumminmama]

SO THE LOCALS CAN GO PARTY DOWN THERE,, AN THATS ALL GOOD,, BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED CAUSE WE MAY BURN THE FOREST DOWN??

PFFFFT...
well, hillbilly, the motor trails were closed thru Aug 20 ( as of a couple days ago) to keep the potential conflict of Rainbow and local at bay... so they are thinking about the best options in a situation.
not that I agree with the refusal of the permit... having a senior moment...is this the east texas issue?

Can someone find Strawberry Springs on a topo in relation to the site? Strawberry has (private land) fire tribe gatherings on a consistent basis.

[hippiehillbilly]

man i spent a week at strawberry when i was 20 ish,..

heheheheeheee... stop it im gonna cry again..

[hippiestead]

man i spent a week at strawberry when i was 20 ish,..

heheheheeheee... stop it im gonna cry again..
Stop it HHB, you're gonna make us cry too; 17th anniversary almost here & we aren't Home to serve burritos & zuzu balls to our Family...
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_44.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZCxdm492YYUS)

[willow_11]

Soaring Eagle, Myrrh says the accepted groups must be fire retardant lol

Your spirit always feels kind in the heart, brotherman. Glad you're comin' home! And you Ms. Free. Welcome Home! First gather is like first love. You will never forget it...

[stalk]

kind of makes me sad
that they give you guys so much shit.

I wonder what would happen if the government gave in
and had a good time with you guys?

Ugh.
Hope it works out, see you in the future.

[free2fly]

Soaring Eagle, Myrrh says the accepted groups must be fire retardant lol

Your spirit always feels kind in the heart, brotherman. Glad you're comin' home! And you Ms. Free. Welcome Home! First gather is like first love. You will never forget it...
Thanks, willow! Im looking forward to it :D

[soaringeagle]

looks like i'll be delayed gettin home a coupledays..& really feel the need to be there today
a really sweet sis on heres commin from tulsa to philly to get us (yea crazy i kno) & has had sum setbacks, soif anyone in philly area can give a lift to 3 in that direction & cut down on the miles & time shes headed away from home it't would be awesome, all packed & ready to head mon (oops thats 4 not 3) if not we'll be there 2 days later & lots poorer but we're commin

[chime]

routt county alliance - you have a personal invitation to come to gathering with us. we would love to hug you, invite you into our circle, break bread with you, and listen to your opinions on all this crazy hippie shit. once you are home, and surrounded by the love, you'll understand why this is so important to us that we are willing to drive 2,000 just to be there. you'll realize this much better in person than sitting on a computer all day getting all bowed about about politics. forget what you think you know and just come be our family.

lovin you - chime