Did God create Man, or did Man create God?

[MellowFellow]

I usually wonder when i'm high.

Its baffling

[pop_terror]

I think a little bit of both. Part of what God is is in how human beings relate to him.

[StonerBill]

most likely man made.

[WhisperingWoods]

most likely man made.
Uh huh.

A little something that cracks me up. Just take a look at history, and how many cultures created gods in their own image, with human forms. Same story here, folks. The human form is the only form the simple minded can relate to. If <insert personified-god-religion here>'s god/s were in some alien or unpersonified animal forms, I wouldn't laugh so hard when they say "You make god sad!" and such things. Gods are not people, they should not have exclusively human personalities and emotions.

[yyyesiam2]

man is god, and so is everything else.

[MellowFellow]

i think that man created god because he needed a way to explain all the crazy things that happen(Like Thunder and lightning)

[pop_terror]

Man would inevitably have hypothesized the existence of God, no matter the original cause. The concept of God is a fact of life.

[thumontico]

The God concept might be inevitable for a primitive consciousness asking questions it cannot itself answer.

But I wouldnt say its a fact of life... We now have means to answer questions that we couldnt before.

As far as the creation of existence/humanity/reality goes, it has a lot more to do with human ego and the need to feel significant.

[pop_terror]

But I wouldnt say its a fact of life... We now have means to answer questions that we couldnt before.

I would. You can't have all the answers unless you know that God exists, because you can never prove that God doesn't exist. Even if you did have an explanation for all of physical reality (which we aren't remotely close to having, and reality has an intrinsic uncertainty anyway) the possibility would remain that God had created the universe to appear as it does.

You might find it unlikely that God exists, but something being unlikely doesn't make it impossible. The possibility will always exist and therefore the concept will always exist.

[r33f3r_m4dn3ss]

Ok, I can understand people making gods in their own likeness, but how do you explain Mayan and Egyptian culture with writings of Gods coming down from the heavens in chariots of fire and cloud, only to reveal themselves as human like beings? No one can just think of a spaceship, so they defined it as a chariot of fire and cloud, something basic and relevant to their culture. Also keep in mind the fact that the Sumerian mythology is also closely related to these as well.

I think too many people have been brainwashed when it comes to the concept of god. There is God, the asshole in the sky shooting lightning bolts out of his ass, aka the Christian-Judeo-Muslim God, whom prolly doesnt exist, and if he does, doesn't give a rats ass about us because he is vengeful. Then there is god, the supreme force behind all creation, which in my belief is represented by the sun, because it is the giver of life and controller of our universe. What else is more powerful to worship? Without light you have nothing.

So in this case, yes, Man may created God, but god created man, and IMO created this God dude we so willingly love to defend or attack.

[themnax]

my thought is what if neither one? would that be so terrible?

what if there were some kind of a god and it didn't make us and we didn't make it either?

what makes anyone think that can't be how it is?

i don't mean it couldn't have had something to do with writing the program we observe the behaviour of as evolution. i don't mean it either had to, or couldn't have, anything.

there are a lot of people who exploit the idea of there possibly being a god. but what does that have to do with god itself?

absolutely nothing that i can see. what we have invented are beliefs. dominant ones, nondominant one, ones that considerthemselves the beggining and end of everything, even ones that don't.

i don't think any of these beliefs are worshipping god. especialy not christianity. what they are worshipping is themselves as beliefs. if that.

but again this has nothing really that i can see, to do with whatever god or gods there may see fit to exist. about which no one really knows anything whatever they might otherwise claim.

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[smellyhairyhippie]

"god" if you are to refer to it as that created itself.

in order for matter to exist, it must first have an opposit non existance to balance it(void). so if some entity was creted through non-existance as a by product of void, then as it becomes conscience of its non-existance it becomes existential, giving itself its own manifestation, subsequentally creating matter to fill the rest of the void as a byproduct of its coming into existance from non-existance.

sorry if that is a bit confusing, if you dont understand it, dont try you'll be up for many nights like i was when i first concieved this theory.

[Supermegaman]

yo man, my only question is if and only if god is "real" then why the fuck were there dinosaurs. and what the fuck the sun is going to explode in the next 56 billion years
theres something to think about

[pop_terror]

but again this has nothing really that i can see, to do with whatever god or gods there may see fit to exist. about which no one really knows anything whatever they might otherwise claim.
The only problem with what you're saying is that you can't possibly know what anyone knows about God, whatever you might claim.

I believe you're a real person even though you can't possibly prove to me that you aren't a figment of my imagination. I believe themnax exists, but what does this belief have to do with you as a person? What it has to do with you is that you wouldn't speak to me if I didn't believe you existed, because I wouldn't speak to you.

So if some entity was creted through non-existance as a by product of void
No one has ever experienced non-existence, so how can it be said to exist? At best it's an imaginary image of utter blackness, but even that has the cognizant experience of utter blackness attached to it.

yo man, my only question is if and only if god is "real" then why the fuck were there dinosaurs. and what the fuck the sun is going to explode in the next 56 billion years
theres something to think about
Because dinosaurs are awesome, man.

[themnax]

I believe you're a real person even though you can't possibly prove to me that you aren't a figment of my imagination. I believe themnax exists, but what does this belief have to do with you as a person? What it has to do with you is that you wouldn't speak to me if I didn't believe you existed, because I wouldn't speak to you.

precisely my point about god.

something big, friendly and nontangable appears to me to exist.

nothing anyone human has ever done or said caused or causes it to exist.

and i don't have to know everything that everyone else knows to observe the probability that what they think they know about it, we, ourselves, humans, made that part of it, up.

it is a mater of finite and infinite. all of human knowledge, without having to know more then one's own share of it, can be observed to be finite.

and a finite beebee rattles arround quite hallowly in a big barrel of infinity.

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[yyyesiam2]

of course non-existance doesn't exist. it's non-existance. not something you wanna spend too much time trying to categorize and understand. probably just give ya a headache.

[pop_terror]

It's a good point, themnax. I guess my point was only that, just because you think you can't 'know' God, in a sense, is no reason not to speak to God, trust God, or believe in God. And after all, maybe you can know God.

To me non-existence is just an imaginary idea.

[prismatism]

yo man, my only question is if and only if god is "real" then why the fuck were there dinosaurs. and what the fuck the sun is going to explode in the next 56 billion years
theres something to think about
okay, that post made me REALLY like you. talk about being honest and not trying to sound impressive, but still making a helluva point.

you're right. the dinosaurs were pointless. and now they're mostly gone. the sun's gonna explode. it's just a star, like a trillion other stars, and it's gonna burn out. everything is out of whack and nothing is certain. straight lines, predictability, the concept of "perfection"; all are illusions created by man to make sense of what is complete nonsense. time is unmeasureable. we think we're doing a good job, we think we have it down, but we don't. we have no idea what time is. it keeps changing, because the spaces between us and everything else are always changing. god is bigger than the sun, that isn't even powerful enough to keep itself burning. god is bigger than a million suns. god is bigger than the biggest number of suns you can imagine in your tiny mind. god is a sub-atomic particle you can't even see. the idea of something being "created" means that it can be destroyed. if it can be destroyed, it isn't god. but still, everything is god, really. because nothing can REALLY be destroyed.

[MichaelByrd1967]

God is definitely man-made.

[r33f3r_m4dn3ss]

ya, god is man-made in a sense. But what else on earth could define an intangible mind fuck like the description of god? A beaver? No. Not to say that they don't have a beleif in something we don't know about. Maybe when we learn to talk to animals we'll know. Until then, of course god is man-made. But does that make it a bad thing? No and Yes. No when your asking if we were intelligently designed, Yes when radical Muslims and Christians use it to spawn violence and negativity in the name of God.

[r33f3r_m4dn3ss]

your right, god is man made, because we are all god. so when your knockin boots in the back of your explorer think to yourself "man being god is cool". Because hey, all is one and one is all. So procreation is basically creating god, seeing as how we are all connected in the fabric of life.

Think about this...

2,000 years ago it rained in a desert on Jesus and his disciples. 2,000 years later that same water is still used.

A tree falls in a forest 1,000 years ago. Some guy finds it and makes it into a chair. The chair breaks. The chair is burned. The particles released from that are thrown outside and turned into soil, and a new a tree begins growing in that soil.

The Earth was created in the realm of the universe. We all come from the 4 basic elements that Earth contains. These, are created by god, the undefinable.

Just because you don't know the name of the painter who created a masterpiece doesn't mean you can't admire it's beauty, thinking to yourself "Someone or something made this wonderful painting."

God created man. Man created the word "god" to describe the creator of the intricacies of nature, the wonders of the material and spiritual world, and the stars that watch us. God has left us gifts, and they're all around us. If you want to get closer to god, eat an 1/8 of mushrooms, trust me, you'll feel god's presence.

[MichaelByrd1967]

your right, god is man made, because we are all god. so when your knockin boots in the back of your explorer think to yourself "man being god is cool". Because hey, all is one and one is all. So procreation is basically creating god, seeing as how we are all connected in the fabric of life.

Think about this...

2,000 years ago it rained in a desert on Jesus and his disciples. 2,000 years later that same water is still used.

A tree falls in a forest 1,000 years ago. Some guy finds it and makes it into a chair. The chair breaks. The chair is burned. The particles released from that are thrown outside and turned into soil, and a new a tree begins growing in that soil.

The Earth was created in the realm of the universe. We all come from the 4 basic elements that Earth contains. These, are created by god, the undefinable.

Just because you don't know the name of the painter who created a masterpiece doesn't mean you can't admire it's beauty, thinking to yourself "Someone or something made this wonderful painting."

God created man. Man created the word "god" to describe the creator of the intricacies of nature, the wonders of the material and spiritual world, and the stars that watch us. God has left us gifts, and they're all around us. If you want to get closer to god, eat an 1/8 of mushrooms, trust me, you'll feel god's presence.
Exactly!!!!! That's perfect!!!!!
That's what it's all about, just sitting back and admiring the beautiful masterpiece that the Earth and the universe is. Nature is what we call God, because it is nature that created us; elements/chemicals, things that we know exist. We know that nature exists, we know that we and everything around us consist of certain chemicals/elements.

People care about silly laws and doctrines and faiths, but I say we should just let it all go and have a good time, because that is what we're here for. We're not here to limit ourselves to stupid beliefs. I think if nature gave it to us, we should use it. If man and women are capable of having sex, they should have it, not wait for a stupid ceremony and a piece of paper.

Religions present us with stupid arbitrary rules that have absolutely nothing to do with anything, and haunt us with the belief with this 'God' will strike us down if we break a rule. All of the Religions have it wrong.

The only thing that is at all important in life is to be happy and to be free. You don't need to "Kick Out The Devil, and Pick Up The Good Book" (as said by Cat Stevens "On The Road To Find Out"). Those things are not important in the current stage of human development. It is only detrimental to your development as a real human being. If you follow a religion, you're only locking yourself up in a little box, and throwing away the key.

I don't mean to preach, it's just things I really need to get off of my chest, because I'm absolutely fed up with people trying prove that their so-called religion is "The Way...". I'd rather make my own rules, and in my book masturbation, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, sexual experimentation, doing things in excess, questioning authority, etc. is OK.