is God Still Dead?

[Art Delfo]

When Nitzsche said this he reffers to the fact that god has stoped beging in peoples live. They don't bleave in him anymore. This may have been ture in Nitzsche's time but is it still true? Do you think people don't really regard God anymore. Rember a god is nothing without worshipers.

[Dr Phibes]

What do you mean by the term, "God". It stands to reason that since there is no proof of the existence of a god Nietzche could not have been reffering to anything, therefore the sentence is without meaning. It is the same as if I were to say "munugunum is dead"
There is no point of reference we can be objective about and therefore any argument about it is rediculously illogical.

[thumontico]

.

[Green]

I think Nietzsche said God is dead (and yes I did read it in Thus Spake Zarathustra) because God has all the qualities of a dead person. I agree that he meant that God never existed, but he didn't say that, he said God is dead.

[Columbo]

Nietzsche only said god was dead as an acknowledgement that god lived in some way that involved worshippers. It was not so much a statement of truth as a device to make people understand the nature of god
god as a mental illness or an aberation of mind

[Posthumous]

He (christian deity) is in critical condition and is currently on life-support.


http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/Clipboard16.jpg

[myself]

I think Nietzsche referred to ethical values that are dead. The morality and behaviour of men were doubtful in Nietzsche's time.

[Columbo]

I think Nietzsche said God is dead (and yes I did read it in Thus Spake Zarathustra) because God has all the qualities of a dead person. I agree that he meant that God never existed, but he didn't say that, he said God is deadThe more I think about this the more I remember that as a student of philosophy it was not so much what Nietzsche said but the way in which he said it that was important, and I believe Green has a good point here, that made me change my previous opinion, it is indisputable that he said "GOD IS DEAD" the only debate is what that means. It is not exactly like saying "today I ate a cake" that is unambiguous but to say "god is dead" is only disambiguated if he meant it in a literal sense IE: god did once exist as a real entity but now he is dead. I cannot see what purpose it would serve to say "god is dead if he did not literally mean it.

Ah this little debate going on here is good. we should work this out between us if we can - I would be grateful if you could add more to your statements.

[peacefulwind14]

When Nietzche said "God is Dead" he was trying to convey the fact that the traditional conceptions of absolutes had been shattered in his time. Ideas like meaning, truth, reason (all that had been the guiding principles in the enlightenment) were now gone; they had been replaced by nihilism. Of course, he didn't believe that God had once existed and had then died, he was a staunch atheist.

[Snyfin]

When he said "God is dead". he meant that that need for god is useless in our day and age with so much science, evidence, ect.

He meant that god was an object of the past that our ancestors used to explain things; but we no longer need the god idea.

[themnax]

well i don't think christianity, or any other organized belief, has a damd thing to do with whatever god or gods there may or may not be.

yes i'm pretty sure nishi (howeverthehellicantrememberhowitisspelt) was refering to the demise of the justification for convincing ourselves everything had to have been created and remain under the manual control of some single sentient awairness.

as for the actual demise of something we can only speculate about anyway, well what if anything can that actualy mean? the possibilities of one god, no god, or zillions of gods, reamain as equaly real as each other as they always have been. and continue to have as little to do with what we experience in our everyday lives as they ever have as well.

you and i may be dead one of these days though. that happens.
untill then we are alive and with what may be more important questions to consider.

=^^=
.../\...

[Razorofoccam]

Well

The gods of contemporary human religion might be on the same path
as odin and zues. Who are now apparently.. dead.

But human religion has never been very connected to reality, only to egos.

The concept of a god/gods is alive and well.
Its just out childish fumblings with the concept that are 'passing over' ;)

Occam

[andallthatstocome]

humanity gives life to dieties, and humanity can take it away.

[Razorofoccam]

When speaking of religion, this is true.

But who, defined the inverse square law?
Complex mathematical systems dont just 'appear'

Quantum law came from where.? random result?

Did time dilation and special relativity, just come to be.?

Either this universe has experienced at least 100 to 200 gerarations of
evolving distributed systems.
Or god made the lot on sept 23 4004 BC.

Occam refuses to believe 'god made the lot'. Such a path results in more
contradictions than it solves.. a reducing equation.
its like saying
Reaity rests on the back of a turtle [an old eastern prposition]
so what does THAT turtle rest on, another turtle
And onother, and another.
Infinite turtles, ALL THE WAY DOWN

Occam has sugested our universe itself is an evolved structure.
But no-one wants to hear it.
Too much duration.
Seems occam is a fool to think time has no 'god given start'
Yet science thinks the same. Science says time does... why?

LOL..

Occam

[Duck]

looking at this thread, I can conclude:
Nietzche is dead.

[themnax]

there are nontangable somethings that i experience as not dead.

what this signifys i do not know.

the question of a god being dead seems somehow a bit meaningless.

=^^=
.../\...

[Razorofoccam]

there are nontangable somethings that i experience as not dead.

what this signifys i do not know.

the question of a god being dead seems somehow a bit meaningless.

=^^=
.../\... Themnax

But your belief is not religious.
This why i love u...;)

Any human description of god will pass.
Just takes time.
Look at odin
look a zues.

These guys WERE THE GODS of our great forefathers.

ALL ,, gone now...just myth.
dead

Occam thinks that the christian 'father' will go soon the same way.
BUT, christ, will persist for millenia. For we all know christianity stole
christs name and beliefs.

precedent.

Plato, aristotle live on , but zues is dead.
Cause plato and aristotle were thinking beings.
Zues never had a thought worth remembering.
HOW did that happen?

Yahweh is a non event, christ, is all that ever meant anything.
And he thought religion a thing of evil.

Occam

[fexurbis]

I think Nietzsche referred to ethical values that are dead. The morality and behaviour of men were doubtful in Nietzsche's time. And they aren't now? lol

[fexurbis]

god isnt dead but he should be!! fuck god! lets KILL GOD!!! YES!!!!Actually, God is staging a comeback. And that's certainly NOT a good thing. I say we keep trying to bury the muthafucka till you won't hear of him again.

[Neuronaut7]

Still not quite dead, but reminiscent of the Terry Shivo case from two years ago.

The point of the essay is not just that people are losing faith due to science (science having explained the things about life that religion had explained in the past), it is also a critique of science.

"What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun?"
We are now unpiloted, without direction.

"Are we not straying as through and infinite nothing?[...] Has it not become colder?"
Nihilism, life has now lost meaning.

"Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?"
Don't we feel the inevitability of death? Do we not still need guidance?

"...who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves?"
Where will our moralities come from, if we have killed that which mandated moralities?

"Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Where god filled a void before, we must now do so. If it took a god to do so before, how can we as humans expect to do such a thing?

"I have come too early, my time is not yet. This tremendous event it still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men [...] This deed is still more distant from them than the most distant stars - *and yet they have done it themselves.*"
Most important part, for it gives it immortality - it hasn't happened yet, God is dead but we don't know it yet, yet we are the ones who killed him.

There are also elements of The Gay Science 344 (How we, too, are still pious) in TGS 125 (God is dead), but I'm too lazy to put it in now.

@Occam - those things are invented by humans as a description of how nature works. I could look up who made up the inverse square law, but I'm too lazy and I want to go to bed. Basically, there is some sort of description of how things work based on our experience in this universe. But in terms of Nietzsche's philosophy, this is separate from Life.

[ronald Macdonald]

I ate god and then shat him out into a hole I dug in a field where I was camped. I smoked god and blew him out. I stamped on god and killed him

[Krsna Bhakti]

I ate god and then shat him out into a hole I dug in a field where I was camped. I smoked god and blew him out. I stamped on god and killed himHmmmmmm.......that's strange. I wonder what compels people to say such things?

[Blade025]

Hi, everyone I'm new here...hope you people can help me answer a few questions.

Can anyone tell me what effect Nietzsche's claim that "God is dead" had on other philosophers work like Sartre or Dostoevksy.

Thanks!

[Varuna]

If you interpret Nietzsche's "God is dead" to mean "God does not exist," then you are logically saying that the dead do not exist. If Niezsche is dead, then who are you talking about?

Peace and Love

[Razorofoccam]

Apparently

God was never alive.
But thiests and agnostics will spit the dummy at that

Think about that last comment.

Occam

[themnax]

ah but did any of the old gods really die. when i look at the stars in the night sky, sometimes i think of them as their hobo campfires. ancient gods having been made homeless. of course every name given them by humans, even calling them gods, well that is something we came up with ourselves. i don't think any of them ever said they were what people took them to be.

of course what am i talking about here? i don't claim to know.
i just think invisible friends are just like visible ones in some ways.
at the same time of course, there are certain things that are up to us,
whatever else may or may not happen to exist,
that among these things are the kind of world we all have to live in,
the survival of our own species,
and even of life (on this one particular planet, in this one particular solar system where we are) itself.

gods i think of as existing, in a way that has nothing to do with tangable, mortal life.
if it did, well i really don't see how, in any way shape or manor it logicaly could.

living organizms, need some sort of atmosphere to breathe, and the whole diverse cycle of life and life forms that make that possible. i suppose some sort of space going life form that has and does all that internaly could be conceivable, but that still wouldn't be the same thing as a god.

something that can synthazise something out of nothing with no more then a thought.
i mean, in order to be able to do that, it would have to be able to exist without there physicly being anything, and that right there, rules out tangable life forms as such. even self contained space going ones.

but it doesn't ruel out the possiblity, of actual, completely nontangable sentience.

=^^=
.../\...

[chrysler]

the underlying purpose of this important and meaningful saying of Nietzsche is his trying to make people feel lonely for a while and without any supernatural power,but just themselves.nothing more...

[Sejairo]

Yeah, agnostics..huh? Well I'm an agnostic myself and We dont Spit on god..We dont agree with all the interpretations and there are various types of agnostics so you can apply that to some but not all...

So yeah,



Matt~

[Sejairo]

by the way when you state who killed god, you need to say either all gods in general or a certain god..Because there are various gods out there depending on what you believe in.

Matt~

[gjg]

to answer your question, god is no longer dead.But he needs another son for us to crucify.

[CyraEm]

I believe in a god. Not God himself. I live in the Northwest, one of the most secular places in the country. It has the least churches and the most proclaimed Aethiests. And I still see religion everywhere around me. Mostly Catholocism, Mormonism, and Islam. But the point is that, at least from my perspective, the world is at a high point in religion.

[Paradox in a Box]

God isn't dead..it lives inside your head :eek:

[Yogi Bhairava]

God is not dead, because God was never born. God instead is the divine consciousness that permeates all reality,,as those realities. It is not where is God, but rather, where is there not. You are all a dream in the mind of God. God is the immanent absolute, your thinking mind is a filtering screen that prevents your awareness of this.
All realities, everywhere, all the universes, are all the body of God, before, beyond, and including time.

[Razorofoccam]

Yeah, agnostics..huh? Well I'm an agnostic myself and We dont Spit on god..We dont agree with all the interpretations and there are various types of agnostics so you can apply that to some but not all...
So yeah,
Matt~Matt

exacty

Occam

[Meretrix]

When Nietzsche said 'God is dead' (since philosophy is open to individual interpretation) I believe he was talking about mainly the Christian god, and how the Christian religion has killed their God by ruining the original morals and values and creating nothing sheep. Ever since Christianity has become the leading role in everyone's life and the church is the main thing in life, God has been dead. We (The masses) have killed him. I completely understand that this can differ from EVERYONE else, but that is the wonder of philosophy, no one can really be wrong.

[dollydagger]

according to my philosophy professor, Nietzsche said God is Dead, meaning that we have to rely on our own choice to create the definition "human". We cannot define ourselves through religious and theological terms.

I think that we are all God, so that throws Nietzsche out the window.....never liked him anyway

[stev90]

Man keeps creating God, so I guess, the concept is still alive, just like Santa Claus keeps popping up every time around Christmas.

[Okiefreak]

God may not be dead, but Nietzsche sure as hell is (syphillis, as I recall). So why would we care about what he said, even if we can decide on what he meant? My take on what he said is that religion, as a set of doctrines defining who we are, why we're here, where we're going, etc., has reached a dead end and is no longer functional, giving us the freedom and responsibility to find our own answers to those questions. I agree. But God may be one of those anwers.

[Elijah]

Nietzsche said it best when he said "there are no facts, only interpretations"

[dollydagger]

God may not be dead, but Nietzsche sure as hell is (syphillis, as I recall). So why would we care about what he said, even if we can decide on what he meant? My take on what he said is that religion, as a set of doctrines defining who we are, why we're here, where we're going, etc., has reached a dead end and is no longer functional, giving us the freedom and responsibility to find our own answers to those questions. I agree. But God may be one of those anwers.

He went insane and died.....really! He was always sick, but he fricking went to the looney bin and died in a coma.

[Elijah]

that's because people who think too much tend to drive themselves insane.




He went insane and died.....really! He was always sick, but he fricking went to the looney bin and died in a coma.

[Okiefreak]

that's because people who think too much tend to drive themselves insane.Or insanity tends to drive people to think too much.

[Razorofoccam]

that's because people who think too much tend to drive themselves insane.Elijah

Only if they emotionally commit to what they are thinking about.
Thus we get suicide bombers. Evangelists and crazies from montana.

I hold to the belief that nothing i think means anything
unless i think it 3 times.
And when im drinking counts only a half a thought...lol

Occam

[Razorofoccam]

Or insanity tends to drive people to think too much.Obie

No.. reality does.
And look at the human world reality has driven us to create.
A disaster. Cause humans are really stupid.

Occam

[def zeppelin]

What's reality? In order to say that reality leads you to insanity, you first have to know what reality is, and that would be a bold statement to make. Even if you do know what reality is, you can still place a negative or positive value to it.

If reality is all in interpretation, then we really don't know anything. Knowing nothing doesn't necessarily mean that nothing exists.

Over-thinking is a type of neurosis: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1O87-hyperreflection.html

[themnax]

i don't quite see how, anything that can be defined as either living or dead, can be defined as a god. but then maybe that's just my way of looking at things.

nietzie's pronouncement i think, was, if anything, a bit rash and premature, though perhapse also, in some sense well intended.

certainly the day when organized belief is no longer the over riding factor in one or more culture's shaired values, is not inconceivable. perhapse he was living in a time and place where real spirituality had died, and only hollow pretentious dogma had taken its place. that is the guess i would hazard as the basis for his having said what he did.

certainly imposed arbitraryness HAS usurped any sort of real personal spiritual experience in many religeous contexts, and does indeed continue to do so.

=^^=
.../\...

[Razorofoccam]

What's reality? Zep

Your def pls

Occam

[themnax FUCK, 9000 posts..If they were atoms
still would not be visable... lol :),, luv u 'Captain,my Captain']

[vsergio]

YEAH THAT NIGGUH IS STILL DEAD, and he says he'll be back but were still waiting........................................... ..

how long has it been now, 2000 years!

[Passionate1]

no he lives in all of us from the men who opens the doors for women to the people who donate and the soldiers who believe they are frighting a honst war.....

[Razorofoccam]

and the soldiers who believe they are frighting a honst war.....Passionate

The truest thing i;ve heard on this forum in quite a while.

[Passionate1]

Passionate

The truest thing i;ve heard on this forum in quite a while.Thank you

[Bl4ck3n3D]

Energy is neither created nor destroyed, so how can god die?

[WhisperingWoods]

You're making an assumption about the nature of a deity, firstly. How do you know that said deity is composed of "energy"?

Secondly, energy changes forms. When a cat dies and sits aroung long enough, it is consumed by other organisms and becomes dirt. That cat was full of energy in cat form, and now the dirt/decomposers/plant life get to share it! So, hypothetically, if a deity was made of energy, and could cease to be a deity (ie: die), wouldn't the energy just move on into another form, possibly another deity or any possible manifestation of matter/energy?

Ideas?

[Bl4ck3n3D]

The Universe wouldn't exist as God is everyone, and everything. There is no deity.

The Universe is nothing more than cycles and change, death is an illusion.

[OlderWaterBrother]

God is dead. - Nitzsche
Nitzsche is dead. - God

[Razorofoccam]

The real question is. Can a diety exist before existance.

No.. Thus, as i believe this universe is directed.
I must explain how.

1. The universe is but a facet of reality..
2. Reality has always existed.

This contradicts no theory or evidence
And cannot be contradicted.

Occam

[OlderWaterBrother]

The real question is. Can a diety exist before existance.
No.. Thus, as i believe this universe is directed.
I must explain how.

1. The universe is but a facet of reality..
2. Reality has always existed.

This contradicts no theory or evidence
And cannot be contradicted.

OccamAu contraire!
First you don’t define your terms, such as how do you define reality?

Next, you make statements without support, such as; I believe this universe is directed, and then use the unsupported statement; The universe is but a facet of reality, to back it up.

Thus as they say; your post doesn’t hold water!

[def zeppelin]

Zep, your def pls? Sorry, I don't know what you mean by that. :x

"Can a diety exist before existance."

I don't know.

"The universe is but a facet of reality.. "

I think that I know what you mean, but I am not sure. Is there somehow a beyond reality? Incomprehensible, I know, but truth doesn't rely on our understanding of it... or does it?

"Reality has always existed."

I don't know. Again, incomprehensible to think otherwise.

[Razorofoccam]

Zep, your def pls? Sorry, I don't know what you mean by that. :xZep
Your def is.. your definition.

A facet of reality is not 'beyond'
Is the facet of a diamond 'beyond' the diamond? No
Entirely comprehensible.

Truth.. Is what IS. If we are here to perceive it or not.

Exactly .. how can one think of no reality... Not possible.

Occam

[Razorofoccam]

Au contraire!
First you don’t define your terms, such as how do you define reality?
Next, you make statements without support, such as; I believe this universe is directed, and then use the unsupported statement; The universe is but a facet of reality, to back it up.
Thus as they say; your post doesn’t hold water!Brother

You cant define reality for yourself?
LOL
Reality is everything...ALL PHENOMENA IS REALITY

No. I said the universe is a facet of reality. As a suburb is a facet of a city.
DID NOT use this to support 'the universe is directed', dont misquote... 'brother'. [ and you have it backards and sideways]
The facet called our universe shows miriad indicators to 'direction'
I can give you 100 times the valid indicatiors than say, the 'bible' can.

I dont need to 'back it up' Reality speaks for itself
Or are not you listening. Or perceiving?

Occam

[OlderWaterBrother]

The real question is. Can a diety exist before existance.

No.. Thus, as i believe this universe is directed.
I must explain how.

1. The universe is but a facet of reality..
2. Reality has always existed.

This contradicts no theory or evidence
And cannot be contradicted.

OccamBrother

You cant define reality for yourself?
LOL
Reality is everything...ALL PHENOMENA IS REALITY

No. I said the universe is a facet of reality. As a suburb is a facet of a city.
DID NOT use this to support 'the universe is directed', dont misquote... 'brother'. [ and you have it backards and sideways]
The facet called our universe shows miriad indicators to 'direction'
I can give you 100 times the valid indicatiors than say, the 'bible' can.

I dont need to 'back it up' Reality speaks for itself
Or are not you listening. Or perceiving?

OccamYes, I can define reality for myself but the question was how do you define it or are you not listening or perceiving?

You accuse me of misquoting you! I quoted you twice. Here is my post:

“Au contraire!
First you don’t define your terms, such as how do you define reality?

Next, you make statements without support, such as; I believe this universe is directed, and then use the unsupported statement; The universe is but a facet of reality, to back it up.

Thus as they say; your post doesn’t hold water!”

Please note I high lighted the two quotes and please note above in your post the two high lighted texts. You will see that I just copied and pasted your comments into my post and thus did not misquote you!

Please also note that when you said; “I must explain how.” This expression immediately follows the expression; “as i believe this universe is directed.” In common English usage this indicates that what follows is proof of the preceding statement thus making:
“1. The universe is but a facet of reality..
2. Reality has always existed.”
An attempt at a proof or at least an explanation of what went before! If this is not the case please forgive me for thinking you that you had a grasp of the English Language.

As for the rest of what you say, you continue to basically say; what I say is true because, well because I said it. I’m sorry but I need a little more proof than that!

[Razorofoccam]

You still have not pointed out one error in what i say.
You seem glued to discrediting my way of saying it.

“Au contraire!" Whats with the french.. sounds like you are smart..
NO
Sounds like you are a sicophant. "vous êtes un idiot"

If you were 'here' no doubt you would phisically assault me..
And i would be forced to break your bones.

Thank god i will never meet you .. tard.
Occam

[OlderWaterBrother]

You still have not pointed out one error in what i say.
You seem glued to discrediting my way of saying it.

“Au contraire!" Whats with the french.. sounds like you are smart..
NO
Sounds like you are a sicophant. "vous êtes un idiot"

If you were 'here' no doubt you would phisically assault me..
And i would be forced to break your bones.

Thank god i will never meet you .. tard.
OccamDo you try to resolve all your "intelligent" discussions with verbal or physical violence?

[Razorofoccam]

Check other thread for reply...

It is very hard form me to make posts like i have been...
But empirical experience has shown that that type of post cuts the weeds.
I HAte it that such is needed.. But stupidity is RAMPANT. And the stupid are RESPONSIBLE for their condition.. Not me.
A primer forum is needed.

How stupid do you have to be to post on a philosophy site and yet not be able to spell philosophy.
Or say..'Plato' 'Constantine' 'Aristotle' 'Hume' .. "who was he"
Or "are shown by men flying in the air that men can fly.
For they cannot grasp an idea as truth even if it poked out
their left eye."

Arrogance?.. No, i cry.. This IS our condition.
If only it were not so. This world would be a true eden.

Occam

[def zeppelin]

That's not a way to answer questions.

[Razorofoccam]

True.. but answering questions is the responsibillity of the questioner
the origin post said

Do you think people don't really regard God anymore. Remember a god is nothing without worshipers. Which is plain rubbish. Does a
rock not exist because none have perceived it..lol...case closed.
Relaity has hundred indicative proofs of a designer.
And all the naysayers have is.. random chance resulted in kants
'critique of pure reason'
Yeh and 10 dice were thrown 1billion times and all came up 6

How should one answer.?

Occam

ps. as to answering questions by oldwater.. he has yet to ask one
worth answering.

[OlderWaterBrother]

True.. but answering questions is the responsibillity of the questioner
the origin post said
Which is plain rubbish. Does a
rock not exist because none have perceived it..lol...case closed.
Relaity has hundred indicative proofs of a designer.
And all the naysayers have is.. random chance resulted in kants
'critique of pure reason'
Yeh and 10 dice were thrown 1billion times and all came up 6

How should one answer.?

Occam

ps. as to answering questions by oldwater.. he has yet to ask one
worth answering.OWB has yet to ask a question, worthy or not.

[Razorofoccam]

Ask away old chap.. I'm but 50 so you have the lead. ;)
When you can remember when gilligans island was a 'new show'
You know your a 'rock of continuity'

occam

[ESRUOS ENO]

When he said "God is dead". he meant that that need for god is useless in our day and age with so much science, evidence, ect.

He meant that god was an object of the past that our ancestors used to explain things; but we no longer need the god idea.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ESRUOS ENO
cheap imitation entertainment like rubber dicks and viginas..

nice to be of service to you.

[Razorofoccam]

lol

Well said eno.

Funny how many think science has resolved the question.
WHY
It has not. It's but a more efficient way in physicallity of finding out.
And evidence is fine but rule one. No-evidence does not mean ,
no-thing...Just look at all the 'smart people' who were astounded by
the discovery of 'germs'.
[thank god said the leeches.. we can get back to our niche]
and
'the arrogating ignorance of those who only accepted men could fly
when a plane passed in the sky'
Even after all this time. 95% of human beings have NO IDEA
[conceptually] of the universe. [the 1 in 20 law]
The closest most get is astrology.
Say Virgo.. 'Hey , im a virgo', your a constellation of stars seen from pov1
'No, my star sign silly boy...'
STAR sign? then stars are involved.. 'well i suppose so.'
[you dont pull many girls this way but the distraction is amusing]

All science, philosophy, religion is rooted in the question.
WHY

I postulate that WHY is WHY we are here.

Occam
ps

We're not going to Moscow. It's Czechoslovakia. It's like we're going into *Wisconsin*.lol

[OlderWaterBrother]

Ask away old chap.. I'm but 50 so you have the lead. ;)
When you can remember when gilligans island was a 'new show'
You know your a 'rock of continuity'

occamOkay, I don't know if you're ready for it?
Here goes:
The Eternal Question:
Ginger or Mary Ann?

[Razorofoccam]

Mrs Howell
[he didnt call her 'lovey' for nothing]

[OlderWaterBrother]

Good Answer! Myself, I would have said both but then I'm just greedy!

[OlderWaterBrother]

Also, if God was dead don't you think we all would have been invited to the funeral!

[Razorofoccam]

No.. he would not be buried here..
According to scripture.. the son was here but the father and the holy ghost stayed home cause it was harvest time.
And being GOD.. they didnt have to GO anywhwere. They were everywhere.

His family grew up on a small plot on the 5th rock from a k2 star in a
gallaxy about 4 billion lightyears ftom here. In the virgo supercluster.
Thats where he goes in the ground..
If we were invited, we might arrive about 50 billion years after the
heat death of the universe. [ and slightly superfluous inour formal wear]

Occam

;)

[SelfControl]

When Nitzsche said this he reffers to the fact that god has stoped beging in peoples live. They don't bleave in him anymore. This may have been ture in Nitzsche's time but is it still true? Do you think people don't really regard God anymore. Rember a god is nothing without worshipers.

Doesn't seem that way in the US, anyway. People were ceasing to believe in God in Nietzsche's day because man's ability to create technology made us look unstoppable, like we were on a track to becoming gods ourselves. 100 years later, we've had Chernobyl, Hiroshima, and even relatively minor stuff like crappy video recorders, all as evidence that technology will not set us free if we are not good people. Meanwhile increased social atomisation has led people to yearn for a sense of community, and I think many subconsciously go to church looking for that. I think if there's anything that would explain a resurgence in belief, it's this. 100 years since Nietzsche, we've seen that smarts alone aren't going to make our lives better.

[Razorofoccam]

like crappy video recorders, amen


I think if there's anything that would explain a resurgence in belief, it's this
agree.
If the church was smart it would pass on some of the story and take up some social guidance.
People dont want to hear the begats..
It's all about WHY..
And always has been. Since gilgamesh payed out on enkidu for being a hairy oaf.

Why do you think beer is so popular.

Occam

[SelfControl]

This, I think, is what frustrates me with some of the atheists I've met; they don't see that religion serves this purpose, that it helps people deal with pathetic little things that never the less indicate larger issues. Science has not set us free, and shows little sign of doing so, yet I am constantly told that to believe in something outside the realms of science is evidence of delusion, rather than hope. Even if you don't believe in God, you need to believe in something, otherwise you end up as mindless and stupid as the computers that blankly stare back at you flashing error commands.

[wbld]

Even if you don't believe in God, you need to believe in something,

Yes, go ahead and believe in your own delusion. :jester:

You can even start your own cult and believe in it.

[SelfControl]

Yes, go ahead and believe in your own delusion. :jester:

You can even start your own cult and believe in it.

I genuinely pity you.

[Razorofoccam]

Self Control

wbld
He is a thing of water brother.
A tool maybe a cousin [kissin cus].

A foil.
Know what a foil is brother.?
No.. you better google it.

Occam

[SelfControl]

Self Control

wbld
He is a thing of water brother.
A tool maybe a cousin [kissin cus].

A foil.
Know what a foil is brother.?
No.. you better google it.

Occam


He kinda reminds me of those pussy kids who suck up to the bully kid in school in crappy movies. Usually in the movies the pussy kids all run off scared as soon as the main kid stands up to the bully, but I guess after they run off they just find some other tough kid to be the bitch of.

I'm sure he's nothing like that though (THUS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK :D)

[Razorofoccam]

I'm sure he's nothing like that though SelfControl

No. it couldnt be anything like that.. Brother is a rock. Or maybe a
brick..or could be just a pile.of....

Occam

[neodude1212]

If God is "dead", then so are you.

[Razorofoccam]

No. God cannot die...[in this universe]
Dont be so anal.
But his name is not 'god'
Only a fool claims to know that which he cannot.
That which organises,, has no name we can speak.
For we are not organised enough.
You are an ant trying to understand human ecconomic theory.

Occam

[SelfControl]

God cannot die...
Dont be so anal.
But his name is not 'god'
Only a fool claims to know that which he cannot.
That which organises,, has no name we can speak.
For we are not organised enough.

Occam

Well, God's only the human name for God. His true name cannot be spoken.

[Razorofoccam]

Well, God's only the human name for God. His true name cannot be spoken.SelfControl

'Thatwhichmadetherules'
or to be impolite.. the suppository of all knowing..

lol

Im going down to the bad place [which does not exist]

Occam

[themnax]

i don't believe i NEED to believe in something, but i DO believe nothing is ruled out, and i have 'felt' something.

and of course there's a million jokes can be made about what that something might be.

my surmise though, is that since the posibilities are so infinite, the likelyhood of it resembling what so many commonly pretend to know, is not particularly great.

but it did feel kind of friendly.

=^^=
.../\...

[sexylilunicornbutt]

my surmise though, is that since the posibilities are so infinite, the likelyhood of it resembling what so many commonly pretend to know, is not particularly great

Couldn't the possibilities be so infinite that it is likely that God is everything a person knows or "pretends to know"?

As to whether or not God is dead, I think God is dead, yes, but we don't know what it means to be dead. But God, being all-knowing, must know what it means to be dead, and you can only know what it means to be dead if you are alive.

There's no sense in saying "You can't define 'God'," because God has already been defined. And you couldn't have a word for "something that cannot be defined" because that would be its definition.

[famewalk]

They say that famous men live on forever, because after-death there is left the legacy to the stranger he shared the faith in religion with while He was still alive. The stranger treats this capacity you clalm as God ipso facto by the definition you offer now.

But can the living God exist for the loser?

There is no reason. The truth is plane to see. Therefore, God must be dead in order to cover for all of enlisted humanity, ipso facto.