give bj's its safer.

[torz]

most nights spent at home (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=187) i listen to my local radio talk show, nick magerison on Hallam FM (south yorkshire region). various topics are disgussed from 9pm till 1am, people phoning in giving there views & opinions.

i was disgussed to hear last night that the govenment are thinking about teaching kids to give oral sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) rather than full sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) as its safer! i was also outraged last week to hear that the govenment are thinking about selling condoms at lunchtime in schools.

why do the govenment insist on encouraging children that are under the legal (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=75) age of concent to have sex. surley the problem of teenage pregnanceys & STI's are more to do with mis-information not that condoms arnt available to teenages.

i'm just turned 20y/o & left school just under 4 years ago, the sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) education we had at that time was terable. in the second year of secondary school we learnt about cromasomes & how the sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) of a baby is determind. in the third year the girls had a woman come in and tell us about periods & in the last year we had a two hour lesson on sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) a month before we actually left. what is the point in having a sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) education lesson at 16 years old, at this time 60% of teenages had already had sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) and everyone knew about it.

now i know not much has changed because my younger brother has just left secondary & i have nephews at primary one of whom is a year from leaving.

dont you think the govenment need to re-think there sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) education policy. all we learnt in sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) ed was about different contiception like the pill & condoms & what there used for. we learnt a little about different STIs and how you catch them.

maybe if they tought teenages (around 13/14y/o) about sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6), tell them how its something thats only ment to be reserved for adults in a stable loving relationship & focus on the bad aspects of sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6). they should show detailed pictures & videos of problems that can occure from having (unpretected) sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6). they should teach them that there is no such thing as safe sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6), only SAFER sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6). they should focus on the bad aspects of sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) & the bad aspects of have a baby while still a teenager (eg, loss of childhood, while your friends are all out going to night clubs your staying at home looking after baby, the expense etc).

one thing i forgot to say was how is teaching kids to give oral sex bring the STIs rate down? ok it may bring the rate of teen pregnanceys down but what about STIs, syphalis is can be contracted through oral sex, also many people dont know that hepititus can be contracted through oral sex. having a coldsore is dangerous, giving someone oral sex while having a coldsore can be crossed over to genital herpies which is not curable & can be contracted through sex even when wearing a condom. how is this good sex education?

what does everybody else think about this subject?

[Spyder]

Thats crazy...but true i suppose

sex education should be better, although saying that mine wasent that bad

[veinglory]

Are you sure your info is legit? People say a lot of 3rd hand rubbish on these shows.

[Spyder]

i've just been assured that when you go for an A.I.D's test they tell you that oral is better....

[Ellie-Rose]

SH:eek: cking!!!!!

[Spyder]

hehehehehe

[torz]

Are you sure your info is legit? People say a lot of 3rd hand rubbish on these shows.

i know what your saying but the topics from the show dont come from people just phoning in, the topics are from what's on the 9pm news. i know people can come up with some right shite but the topics have to be true or they wouldnt be worth discussing.

& spyder when you go for an AIDS test they might tell you oral is better but why encourage kids that are under the legal age for sex to give blow jobs why not encourage then not to have sex & the dabgers of sex, try & put them off.

oral sex maybe better but there are still high risks with regards to certain STI's that can be contracted through oral sex, especially genital herpes which cant be cured.

[DoktorAtomik]

why not encourage then not to have sex & the dabgers of sex, try & put them off.
Simple. It doesn't work.

[JOsie]

i know it's off topic...but did anyone else get little links when the words sex, legal or home came up?

[Spyder]

& spyder when you go for an AIDS test they might tell you oral is better but why encourage kids that are under the legal age for sex to give blow jobs why not encourage then not to have sex & the dabgers of sex, try & put them off.


yeah yeah yeah i know, twas just a random thing that i knew

[torz]

Simple. It doesn't work.
how do you know it dosnt. a few weeks back on the TV they showed a program called Lads army and before they finished & parraded they showed them a sex video what they still show now. it shows peoples jenitals dropping off, the sores you can get, puss comming out of your jenitals that kind of stuff. surely if they showed this to kids at school it would put them off or at least make them use pretection which the government want anyway.

[Alomiakoda]

i know it's off topic...but did anyone else get little links when the words sex, legal or home came up?
Yup :mad:

We get condoms given out at school free. I think it's actually quite a good idea. I think if people are gonna have sex then they'll do it anyway...but if condoms are available they're more likely to use them.

[Alomiakoda]

From year 7-9 I went to a Catholic school...they weren't allowed to teach us about contraception so went into a lot of detail about STIs...it was pretty horrible...

[chickabean]

i think its really sad and shocking what kids are taught in schools today with regards to sex. i feel really strongly about this issue...just before easter i actually had a meeting with my local mp up at westminster to talk about this very subject and i think he was taken aback by the approach of me and my friends. we basically went there to talk to him about how we feel sex education these days is pratcially sex promotion and how sad we think it is that abstinence is not talked about let alone celebrated in schools. we went to him with the proposal of teaching one partner for life in sex education as opposed to assuming that kids will experiment with who ever whenever. i actually think children should be given far more respect thatn they are given at the moment. i hate the fact that the government presume that children will go and have sex whtever they say , as if we are just animals or something acting upon instinct. they dont seem to realise that the way children are taught about sex in schools and the constant infiltration of sex in the media and in current society cultiveste a belief within these young people that having sex with as many or whoever is the done thing. i believe that they sdhould at least be givent eh option of abstaining from sex by being educated about the emotional and spiritual sides of this issue.

me and my friends have now been referred to MP Steve Twigg who is a educationsl minister for london to discuss our feelings on this issue further so it would be great to get some more feedback from you guys. i beleive that the state if the sex eduation in our schools at the moment is only helpin to increase the numbers of STD's and unwanted pregnancies. its scary and very very sad

love luchi xxx

[DoktorAtomik]

how do you know it dosnt
Has anti-drugs information stopped kids experimenting with drugs? Has anti-smoking information stopped people experimenting with tobaco? And frankly, I think a good shag is a lot more appealing that those, so your chances of putting kids off are about zero.

[miabubble]

selling condoms at lunch!? WTF?!



i'm not going to voice my opinions because I just left school and i cna't be arsed with school stuff anymore, but seriously... you can get them free in the sexual health clinic!!!!

[TheFly]

Excuse me whilst I sigh an extraordinarily drawn out and sad sigh...

Once again we see schools getting it in the neck for what will always be a no-win situation... easpecially as we live in a climate where parents are increasingly abdicating their responsibilities to their own children yet remaining highly criticial of what the school system tries to do across a whole range of issues...

I teach some sex-ed as part of my school PSHE programme to Year 8 students... we concentrate on the issues of contraception and STIs... why?... we know that there is an increasing percentage who are already sexually active at this age...

We have a legal responsibility to teach sex-ed... but it is such a difficult area to teach why?... because of the moral aspect of sex... we are required to teach the facts... without making moral judgments... we certainly do not promote sex and I will strongly deny that is what schools are doing... to be honest, teaching sex-ed scares the shit out of me not because I'm frightened or embaressed by it... no... it is a potential minefield... say the wrong thing and you can easily have a complaint by some irate parent land on the headteacher's desk faster than I can fart the national anthem... worse, some christian group are taking it upon themselves to take legal action against schools and individual teachers who they feel have promoted se rather than merely presented factual information... gee, thanks a fucking bundle... say the wrong thing and some zealous idealist will take me to court and sek to end my teaching career?... and you guys wonder why so few teachers are prepared to take on this nightmare?...

So what's the alternative?...

Take the fundamentalist approach and teach the moralistic abstenance before marriage message?... accept this and then schools will find it very difficult to resist fundamentalist christian philosophy in other subject areas... would it be right then to ditch Darwinist evolution theory in order to teach fundamentalist christian creationist theory in science lessons instead?... how far would this be allowed to extend?... would we see a time when the books we teach in English Lit lessons would have to be passed by some religious authority to ensure that they too taught the correct moral messages?... would we see a time when the knowledge that humanity has gained could only be passed on to the next generation if it fiited into fundamentalist chistian doctrine?... I think this is a potentially highly dangerous direction to pursue...

Okay... then here is another suggestion... abandon sex-ed in schools completely... return the responsibility for this back to the parents... then the parents would be able to teach the "facts of life" in a manner that they found morally acceptable... or not at all, if they felt that knowledge of sex was a corrupting influence... and I'm certain that this would have a huge impact upon our current rates of teenage pregnancy and STI infection... of course, this all depends upon whether you believe the rather simplistic equation that it is purely the teaching of sex-ed in schools than is responsible for our teenage pregnancy rates... and choose to ignore factors such as increasing evidence that parents are overworked to the extent the time with children is now increasingly at a minimum... look at the spread of "electronic babysitters" such as television, video, computers, game systems and our beloved internet... the increasingly sexualisation of pre-teens through the media (the last time I saw TOTP, I was just shocked by the sheer sexuality of the programme in comparison with the teen bubblegum nature of the music on offer)... this issue is much more complicated than simply to lay the blame at the feet of the schools once again (oh give us a fucking rest, any wonder why anybody wants to consider teaching as a career anymore seeing as we're so hit at everything!!)...

By the way...

Does anybody know exactly why sex-education was introduced into the school curriculum in the first place?...

Fly...

[showmet]

we basically went there to talk to him about how we feel sex education these days is pratcially sex promotion and how sad we think it is that abstinence is not talked about let alone celebrated in schools. we went to him with the proposal of teaching one partner for life in sex education as opposed to assuming that kids will experiment with who ever whenever.

As far as I know, abstinence is certainly mentioned in the guidelines as something to teach kids about. The standard formulation is that it's the surest way to avoid STDs and pregnancy! As for "celebrating" it, that's never the place of education; it's about informing people about all the options so that they can make up their own minds based on an accurate understanding. If you're going to be inclusive and non-judgemental, you have to talk about all the things that teenagers do - and a hell of a lot of them choose to have sex! Let's make sure they are doing it safely. Let's also make sure they know they don't have to if they don't want to. Abstinence and avoiding peer pressure was certainly a big part of my sex education back in the eighties. (Turning sex down, chance'd be a fine thing, I thought!)

By celebrating or focusing on one particular choice you're indoctrinating kids with a specific ideological / philosophical / religious standpoint. That's never healthy, and won't produce well-rounded and well-educated people. We need to teach people about everything so they become well-informed, free-thinking citizens who are able to make up their own mind. Give them as much information as possible, about all kinds of lifestyles and practises - gay, straight, monogamy, polygamy. These are all valid choices that people are free to make, so kids must be informed about them all, equally. People must be free to control their own destiny and make their own choices. And the sure way to do that is to give them access to all the available information in a non-biased and totally unjudging way.

[Hippy_Smurf]

Nothing ever stopped me from having sex, and to be honest the sex ed lessons weren't much cop at my school. It was my mum drilling into me the fact that if I got pregnant I was in trouble that made me careful (most of the time...)

It's a hard one to figure out, and I'm too tired to bother. I may say something of value in this thread at some point, when I'm awake!

Torz - Hallam FM stinks, Big John at Breakfast is the most annoying show in the world. Get listening to Radio 2!! :p

[Alomiakoda]

Nothing ever stopped me from having sex, and to be honest the sex ed lessons weren't much cop at my school. It was my mum drilling into me the fact that if I got pregnant I was in trouble that made me careful
Same herE :p

[Peace-Phoenix]

BJ's are not safer! I got punched in the face straight after my first BJ, it was shite....

[Ellie-Rose]

Sounds like an interesting story.. DO tell...

:D

[DoktorAtomik]

BJ's are not safer! I got punched in the face straight after my first BJ, it was shite....

What happened, dude? Did ya nip his foreskin or summat? You gotta be delicate when you're playing down there......

[Peace-Phoenix]

Ooooh that was low! That was definitely below the belt! This sucks! Damn, I'm not doing much to help my cause here am I?

[Xiola]

Damn, I'm not doing much to help my cause here am I?
Nope!

But I think you should tell us the story...or did you just make it up so you looked 'cool'?!:p

[Peace-Phoenix]

Well it was outside a gig. I was drunk. Was propped up against a wall. Some girl comes up to me. I used to know her. She decides to get off with me. Without even a by your leave I might add! Then she wanders off. Then her friend comes along. Sees this girl has just got off with me and wants a piece of the action. So she gets off with me too! All the while I'm innocently propped up, drunk against this wall. But she wants to go one better, and goes down below. Then her friend comes back. Oh shit! Well I can't get off with them both now can I? Even worse it turns out they're lesbian lovers. So I get punched in the face....

[Xiola]

Har Har! Poor Sal:p

BUT...was it worth it?!

[Peace-Phoenix]

Well it made me talk of the school for about a month, but no, it was shit....

[Xiola]

damn those lesbian lovers!:p

[Maon]

torz ........... will you tattoo me next week ...? ,,, can do or too busy?

[showmet]

Just remembered this ... when we started sex education at my school - I must have been about 12 or 13 - one of the girls in my class asked the teacher about how safe blow jobs were. The teacher didn't even know what they were, and the girl had to explain it to her...

[Spyder]

Thats craaazy!

[showmet]

Well, this was in about 1989... a more innocent time!

Oh, and she was Welsh if I recall.

[moominmamma]

I went,many years ago,to the local convent school. We were the first year to receive sex education( private school so I guess they could do things differently!) We saw a video of one fluffy bunny,then two fluffy bunnys,then a whole tribe of fluffy bunnys,but no explanation of how this came about.
that was week one. Week two we saw a whole load of naked girls jump into a swimming pool,then a whole load of naked boys jump into a swimming pool,then back to fluffy bunnies and how chickens lay eggs. It was a strange mystefying experience. I found out about the realities of it all by reading books furtively up the corner of the local library while my Mum went shopping.
All I can say was ignorance was not bliss.

I would support taking sex education out of school, I know that I would prefer to tell my children myself about these things as and when they ask, and at a level I think is appropriate for their age. But, and as ever there is a but, what about the children whose parents don't tell them. My little sister was terrified she was pregnant when she was 11 as a local lad french kissed her in the park. I as a sixteen year old big sister was able to put her mind at rest, and fill her in on the "mechanics". Have to say she didn't believe me!

I know there probabley aren't any families as narrow minded as the one I grew up in left any more. But there will be lots of parents who for one reason and another, pressures of life ,using TVS as babysitters, just don't get round to telling their children, if they don't learn the basics in school, those kids will be vulnerable.

[zopilote]

i know it's off topic...but did anyone else get little links when the words sex, legal or home came up?
i did...but didnt click on them...where do they go?

[torz]

Excuse me whilst I sigh an extraordinarily drawn out and sad sigh...

Once again we see schools getting it in the neck for what will always be a no-win situation... easpecially as we live in a climate where parents are increasingly abdicating their responsibilities to their own children yet remaining highly criticial of what the school system tries to do across a whole range of issues...

I teach some sex-ed as part of my school PSHE programme to Year 8 students... we concentrate on the issues of contraception and STIs... why?... we know that there is an increasing percentage who are already sexually active at this age...

We have a legal responsibility to teach sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6)-ed... but it is such a difficult area to teach why?... because of the moral aspect of sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6)... we are required to teach the facts... without making moral judgments... we certainly do not promote sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) and I will strongly deny that is what schools are doing... to be honest, teaching sex-ed scares the shit out of me not because I'm frightened or embaressed by it... no... it is a potential minefield... say the wrong thing and you can easily have a complaint by some irate parent land on the headteacher's desk faster than I can fart the national anthem... worse, some christian group are taking it upon themselves to take legal action against schools and individual teachers who they feel have promoted se rather than merely presented factual information... gee, thanks a fucking bundle... say the wrong thing and some zealous idealist will take me to court and sek to end my teaching career?... and you guys wonder why so few teachers are prepared to take on this nightmare?...

So what's the alternative?...

Take the fundamentalist approach and teach the moralistic abstenance before marriage message?... accept this and then schools will find it very difficult to resist fundamentalist christian philosophy in other subject areas... would it be right then to ditch Darwinist evolution theory in order to teach fundamentalist christian creationist theory in science lessons instead?... how far would this be allowed to extend?... would we see a time when the books (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=233) we teach in English Lit lessons would have to be passed by some religious authority to ensure that they too taught the correct moral messages?... would we see a time when the knowledge that humanity has gained could only be passed on to the next generation if it fiited into fundamentalist chistian doctrine?... I think this is a potentially highly dangerous direction to pursue...

Okay... then here is another suggestion... abandon sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6)-ed in schools completely... return the responsibility for this back to the parents... then the parents would be able to teach the "facts of life" in a manner that they found morally acceptable... or not at all, if they felt that knowledge of sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) was a corrupting influence... and I'm certain that this would have a huge impact upon our current rates of teenage pregnancy and STI infection... of course, this all depends upon whether you believe the rather simplistic equation that it is purely the teaching of sex-ed in schools than is responsible for our teenage pregnancy rates... and choose to ignore factors such as increasing evidence that parents are overworked to the extent the time with children is now increasingly at a minimum... look at the spread of "electronic babysitters" such as television, video, computers, game systems and our beloved internet... the increasingly sexualisation of pre-teens through the media (the last time I saw TOTP, I was just shocked by the sheer sexuality of the programme in comparison with the teen bubblegum nature of the music on offer)... this issue is much more complicated than simply to lay the blame at the feet of the schools once again (oh give us a fucking rest, any wonder why anybody wants to consider teaching as a career anymore seeing as we're so hit at everything!!)...

By the way...

Does anybody know exactly why sex-education was introduced into the school curriculum in the first place?...

Fly...

Fly, I never though about it that way, I went to a catholic school (I am catholic but have to admit that I don’t believe in all the cathoilc religion teachers especially about sex). The school I went to & the way they teach was to the highest standard & nearly every subject that was tought, religion came into it at some point which I thought was great. Even if you didn’t believe in god & the religion, it set moral standards & tought kids about the right & wrongs in life, that is until it came to sex ed. I really don’t think that the (catholic) churches beliefes on sex isnt right for this day in age because kids now arnt been brought up in strict religious environments (I’m not saying they should or that some arnt its just now the same as it was say 100 years ago). I don’t think the churches teachings on sex are healthy either as it causes problems later down the line as has been expressed on the love & sex forum. One of the biggest problems that I see causing teen pregnancys & STI’s (not directly) is the media, the way we advertise, soaps & TV programs, they are all centred around sex. Surley the government realise this & should atleast pass some kind of law about what they can show on TV, how you can advertise etc. Many people would come back to me saying, "well there is a water shead on TV, yes there is but it dosent stop TV producers showing sexual sceans or implying sex on TV, the 4 main soap just prove this, Eastenders, Corination St, Emmerdale & Hollyoaks, all showen before 9pm & all have a strong focus on sex. Surely these programs, advertising, the media, even pop music as you said are just encouraging kids to have sex. If the government want to tackle the issue of teen pregnancy & STI’s then surely they should go to the route problem.

Also, as well as educating children & teens, what about teaching adults? I have to admit, my parents have never educated me about sex or my sisters & brother yet my dad stopped speaking to my sister when she got pregnant at 17. I think that if my parents had, had to go to classes that tought them how to educate there children on sex, how to approach the issue, how to talk to them in a manor that kids will understand, not feel embraraced about talking to kids about sex & how to reasure kids that they can talk to there parents about sex & its issues then half the problem would be reduced.

I also want to say to you that you must be doing a fantastic job, I know how hard teaching sex ed can be, especialy as kids arnt always matture enough to understand how serious sex & its implacations are.

Nothing ever stopped me from having sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6), and to be honest the sex (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=6) ed lessons weren't much cop at my school. It was my mum drilling into me the fact that if I got pregnant I was in trouble that made me careful (most of the time...)

It's a hard one to figure out, and I'm too tired to bother. I may say something of value in this thread at some point, when I'm awake!

Torz - Hallam FM stinks, Big John at Breakfast is the most annoying show in the world. Get listening to Radio (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=220) 2!! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gifHippy Smurf, I too think hallam FM stinks & I don’t listen to Big John, I’m a Galaxy 105 fan myself, but I enjoy the phone in because you get to listen to other peoples opinions & it encourages people to think which is something many people don’t do nowadays, they just do. Also where abouts in Doncaster are you from, my bf is from doncaster & I spend most of my time there.

torz ........... will you tattoo me next week ...? ,,, can do or too busy?sorry maon I cant my self I’m on sick leave at the moment, my friend can though if your strugling to find I good tattooist.

[Hippy_Smurf]

Bessacarr - where does your boyfriend live?

[veinglory]

The underlined stuff is normally spam links added by spyware, please don't click them and do get your computers cleaned of this stuff if your posts are full of these links.

[veinglory]

i know what your saying but the topics from the show dont come from people just phoning in, the topics are from what's on the 9pm news. i know people can come up with some right shite but the topics have to be true or they wouldnt be worth discussing.

& spyder when you go for an AIDS test they might tell you oral is better but why encourage kids that are under the legal age for sex to give blow jobs why not encourage then not to have sex & the dabgers of sex, try & put them off.

oral sex maybe better but there are still high risks with regards to certain STI's that can be contracted through oral sex, especially genital herpes which cant be cured.
yes but who was saying this about which agencies and on what basis? Until it is a policy that the agency itself says it will follow I just assume this is the usual hysteria surrounding anything to do with kids and sex.

[torz]

Bessacarr - where does your boyfriend live?
he comes from Edlington but he lives at warmsworth at the moment, i spend firday to monday in donny.

yeah, i know where bessacar is, a lot of my firends come from bessi who i spend quite a bit of time in the childers with.

[torz]

yes but who was saying this about which agencies and on what basis? Until it is a policy that the agency itself says it will follow I just assume this is the usual hysteria surrounding anything to do with kids (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=476) and sex.
dint quite follow that, if you try & explaine to me what your saying, i'll reply whith my honest opinion.

[veinglory]

I mean, who exaclty was speaking -- Information is only as reliable as it's source.

Were they talking about what happens now, a new policy, a discussion paper, or just a vague possibility?

[torz]

I mean, who exaclty was speaking -- Information is only as reliable as it's source.

Were they talking about what happens now, a new policy, a discussion paper, or just a vague possibility?
oh, ok i understand now, it was on the 9pm news and the govenment are discussing wheather or not to encourage teenagers to give oral sex rather than full sex.

[jonathan_s]

hmmmm......selling condoms on a lunch time i`d much rather to down to a health clinic and get them free

oh yeh and one more thing i forgot to mention is, i get free bloody condoms at school anyway

[showmet]

it was on the 9pm news and the govenment are discussing wheather or not to encourage teenagers to give oral sex rather than full sex. I didn't hear or read anything about it, but I'm assuming that wording is inaccurate, there'd never be any question of "encouraging" anything. It'd fit with recognised techniques if they were proposing guidelines which would include discussing alternatives to full penetration. The thinking behind this is that those kids who will go and have sex anyway, no matter what, are fully informed that there are things they can do to satisfy their curiosity and urges, which are much safer than penetration. All it does is give them access to information about mucher safer ways of experimenting with sex. In fact I believe this technique is used in many schools already. How can anyone object to that?! Having full information is always a good thing.

[veinglory]

"The governemnet"?


A politician, a senator, a bureaucrat?

[veinglory]

"The Government"

A politican, lobbyist, bureuacrat, civil servant? I think it really pays to know who, because unless its somebody with some real power it really doesn't matter what they say -- the media loves to stir stuff up but mostly it's just a storm in a teacup.

[showmet]

"The government" in this case would normally mean the Department for Education proposing new guidelines...

[veinglory]

I doubt it. Also, the Department is still not a person, and they impliment directives which are made elsewhere, they don't make their own policy. I am willing to bet nobody can find a reputable news source that says this is actually going to happen.

[showmet]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1212734,00.html

Comes from a "government backed" report by National Foundation for Educational Research whose findings have been adopted by the Department for Education and Skills and will be circulated to teachers. It's a voluntary course that teachers and schools can choose to sign up to at their discretion, but it's becoming part of the government's "recommended" guidelines on the issue.

Personally I welcome it wholeheartedly, it can bring nothing but good.

[veinglory]

I stand corrected. You shouldda put money on that get!


That version was a bit easier to follow. Not encouraging blow jobs, but discussing with teens what their full range of options are. Makes sense to me... Especially as there is a parental opt-out on all sex ed, so parent who don't like it can leave their kids to learn through gossip like in the old days...

[veinglory]

"why do the govenment insist on encouraging children that are under the legal (http://toolbar2.i-lookup.com/cgi-bin//ezlclk.fcgi?id=75) age of concent to have sex"

c.f.

"The study by the National Foundation for Educational Research found youngsters were 'less likely to be sexually active' than peers who received traditional forms of sex education"

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One of the reason I like to use the primary source not a filter version...

[showmet]

True, reading that report shows how biased the radio discussion mentioned in the first post was. Its assumptions came from a prejudiced misinterpretation of what the new guideleines actually mean, and in ignorance of the research findings which are basis for their introduction.

The idea that if we don't teach young people about sex then it will never occur to them to try it is just ... really stupid! Lack of information is what leads to the spread of STIs and teenage pregnancy... give people maximum information and they suddenly have far more choices and options open to them.

[crackforkids]

i wish my government would teach girls how to give head. sorry if that offends anyone.

[showmet]

i wish my government would teach girls how to give head.
Well, Bill Clinton was trying his hardest...

[Hippy_Smurf]

he comes from Edlington but he lives at warmsworth at the moment, i spend firday to monday in donny.

yeah, i know where bessacar is, a lot of my firends come from bessi who i spend quite a bit of time in the childers with.
Weirdness! I lived in Warmsworth from 0-2! Hehe the Childers is cool, but do you ever get down to the Tut and Shive? (My drinking hole!)

[torz]

Weirdness! I lived in Warmsworth from 0-2! Hehe the Childers is cool, but do you ever get down to the Tut and Shive? (My drinking hole!)
some times we go to the tut but most of my friends like the childers better so thats where we end up normally. i'll have to come in the tut & have a drink with you one weekend, egh?!:D

[TheFly]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1212734,00.html

Comes from a "government backed" report by National Foundation for Educational Research whose findings have been adopted by the Department for Education and Skills and will be circulated to teachers. It's a voluntary course that teachers and schools can choose to sign up to at their discretion, but it's becoming part of the government's "recommended" guidelines on the issue.

Personally I welcome it wholeheartedly, it can bring nothing but good.

Showmet... thanks for the link... made interesting reading... and I know that the University of Exeter has got a good reputation so it should be worth looking into... will talk to my head of PSHE tommorrow to see about getting on a course if any are available... who knows, it may well teach me a thing or two?!...

Oh... my wife seems to be laughing at me... methinks this is not a good sign...

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[butterfly]

may be a bit late on this, buuut

The girls at my primary school had an optional "periods and stuff" talk in year 6, which is pretty responsible of the school.
And the sex education at my secondary school has been really really good. Big periods talk by a health woman in year 7, and lots of PSE lessons, lots of talks about contraception, up until year 9 i think, then last year a health women came in again and showed us lots of slides of STD's.....eeww.
But it is a private school, I don't know how much difference that makes....

[Hippy_Smurf]

some times we go to the tut but most of my friends like the childers better so thats where we end up normally. i'll have to come in the tut & have a drink with you one weekend, egh?!:D
Sounds like a plan! Sunday night is quiz night! (Yes, I am middle aged before my time...)


Back to the subject...My little sister just asked me about periods - I guess school isn't teaching her enough huh?

[Alomiakoda]

On that note...when I was 11 I knew someone who started her periods...she thought she was haemoraging and going to die...she was about 13. Neither her parents or the school had ever tought her about periods...

[TheFly]

Ah, but when is the correct age at which to tell girls about periods...

As it seems increasingly likely that the onset of puberty in girls has links to weight and nutrition, and we live in an increasingly well-fed society, there are concerns that puberty is starting at an increasingly earlier and earlier age...

I was talking about this a few weeks ago with my Year 8 students... talking about the fact that puberty was traditionally expected to occur in most students between the ages of 12-14... however, it is not that unusual for them to wait until even 16 before puberty sets in... perhaps more worryingly, there are increasing numbers that find puberty kicking in at 10 or even as young as 8...

So at what age is it best for the education system consider best to cover the issue of puberty and periods and so on?...

This is another no win situation... tackle the issue early on and some parents will simply withdraw their children from the lessons because they will fear that they are too young and they are being taught "adult" issues at too young an age... leave it until mid-teenage years and we run the risk of many students already having gone through puberty so its too late...

I've been discussing this with my Year 8s (who are either 11 or 12) and they can't agree on the best time for this information... some feel it would have been better in their primary schools... some disagree strongly with that suggestion and feel that it should only be a secondary school issue...

Difficult, eh?...

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