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catstevens
04-29-2006, 04:59 PM
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Ape rights movement questions barrier between man and animal
(DPA) 29 April 2006

MADRID - In earlier times, man was seen as a special creature - the image of God (*Steven: according to some religions) and the lord of creation.Yet with the Spanish parliament preparing to debate the rights of great apes as “persons,” the traditional view of man and animal could be about to definitively change.“I am an ape,” says Pedro Pozas, secretary-general in Spain of the international Great Ape Project, which wants the United Nations to grant gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutangs and bonobos something comparable to human rights.Humans and great apes are part of the same hominid family, champions of ape rights say, stressing that the behaviour of apes resembles that of humans more than had previously been recognized. *Steven: That because you are teaching them so! If you are talking about a particular behaviours.

Spain’s governing Socialist Party is promoting an initiative to recognize great apes as different from other animals, to protect their habitat and to prohibit their use in circuses.The measures would also ban scientific experiments with great apes, something that has already been practically abolished in Europe.Spain would thus become the first European country to adopt measures such as those proposed by the decade-old Great Ape Project, which seeks three basic rights for apes: the rights to life, to liberty and to not being tortured.Currently, Spanish zoos and circuses often keep apes in small cages. They may be castrated, have their teeth removed or vocal cords cut to control them.Environment Minister Cristina Narbona believes promoting the rights of apes would increase the general consciousness of animal rights in a country known for its bullfights and bloodsports.Human rights violations



The Socialist initiative is, however, facing opposition from critics ranging from the Catholic Church to human rights activists.“Too much progress becomes ridiculous,” archbishop Fernando Sebastian said, criticizing moves to promote the rights of apes when abortions violated the human rights of embryos.Amnesty International representative Delia Padron stressed that not even the rights of all human beings were being respected.The police trade union ASIGC called the initiative “silly,” asking ironically for “ape rights” for its members who were attempting to prove their labour conditions.He concedes that apes are not like humans, but describes them as ”kinds of persons.”Western man’s traditional view of himself as a unique creature has already been modified by evolutionist theories, Pozas observes.
Tuesday 27 June 2006
Spain to recognise great ape rights (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FBCFE1B1-1994-4EDE-95CF-AAD664F9CCA2.htm)



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StonerBill
04-30-2006, 06:46 AM
*Steven: That because you are teaching them so! If you are talking about a particular behaviours.
how many behaviors of your or my own were not tought so?

if you remove a human from culture and language and education, what are you left with? definately not something as complexly behavioral as the people we are in such a modern world where information can cross a globe in a second

Last Stand
04-30-2006, 06:48 AM
They should start the spanish inquisition again.

StonerBill
04-30-2006, 07:35 AM
btw:whats your sigpic of, laststand?

catstevens
04-30-2006, 08:44 AM
StonerBill
how many behaviors of your or my own were not tought so?if you remove a human from culture and language and education, what are you left with? definately not something as complexly behavioral as the people we are in such a modern world where information can cross a globe in a second
See, champions of ape rights say: Humans and great apes are part of the same hominid family, stressing that the behaviour of apes resembles that of humans more than had previously been recognized. if they use this as a proof (one of the proofs) , then, this is a pathetic one.
Peace and love

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

Note: Silly, repeated, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2412839&postcount=14) (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style losers' fate (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94500) , ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!

catstevens
04-30-2006, 08:45 AM
Last Stand
They should start the spanish inquisition again.
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Peace and love

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

Note: Silly, repeated, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2412839&postcount=14) (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style losers' fate (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94500) , ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!

Last Stand
04-30-2006, 12:03 PM
btw:whats your sigpic of, laststand? hell if i know im runing out of ideas = ........and will .

StonerBill
04-30-2006, 01:37 PM
StonerBill
See, champions of ape rights say: Humans and great apes are part of the same hominid family, stressing that the behaviour of apes resembles that of humans more than had previously been recognized. if they use this as a proof (one of the proofs) , then, this is a pathetic one.

not that i totally dissagree, but how about you explain why?

catstevens
04-30-2006, 01:43 PM
StonerBill
not that i totally dissagree, but how about you explain why?
some dogs can understand and do amazing things, I think they are of the same hominid family, they should make a study for this. yeah they don't look like us, but maybe something happened to them 1000.000 years ago, affected their genes and figures, made them look like this way!!
The point is: you are teaching them to behave in such a way.
Peace and love

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

Note: Silly, repeated, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2412839&postcount=14) (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style losers' fate (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94500) , ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!

Last Stand
04-30-2006, 03:36 PM
i agree, most camels are far more intellegent than muslims .