Bush addicted to Dick?

[Captain Foamy]

The President is, and I am quoting a reputable news source here, "Firing on butts like Hiroshima." What a fruit pop! I knew Bush took human lives with no remorse but now hes ransacking anus's with our tax dollars! What a fucking ass pirate!

http://www.geocites.com/captain_foamy

Its a revolution!

[Real American]

Sorry, but I am sure you are taking whatever it was that he said out of context. Oh, and your link doesn't work, blank page.

[mixednuts]

i don't know...do you make money off that site? who are you? how do you see yourself in ten years...do you still love me?

[lavalamped]

Dude, I wouldn't call someone gay an "ass pirate". There is no way Bush is gay...he's too boring. He's a boring jackass. & for you to use homosexuality as an insult is fucked up. You are what you are. Gah! Immature.

[soulrebel51]

i didnt look at the link, but couldnt you find a more believable news site? i didnt look at the site, but its a geocities page, which anyone can make. also, if he was gay, i think id like bush a little more if he were gay, only because hed be a minority president. and why is homosexuality so insulting anyway?

[Captain Foamy]

Oh, did I say Bush was gay? I ment he has 9 toes.

[soulrebel51]

well you are using homosexual insults towards him, it sounds like your saying hes a worse person because he may be gay

[Real American]

Obviously Captain Foamy is a moron begging for attention. Oh, and homosexuality is wrong. I also hope Bush put's a stop to homosexuals getting married.

[lavalamped]

Obviously Captain Foamy is a moron begging for attention. Oh, and homosexuality is wrong. I also hope Bush put's a stop to homosexuals getting married.
Homosexuality is NOT wrong. Just because it makes you uncomfortable DOESN'T mean it's wrong. Saying a person is gay shouldn't be an insult either. I am tired of morons discriminating. You are what you are. So get fucking tolerant. We need a gay president...it'd show that America has wised up.

[soulrebel51]

Obviously Captain Foamy is a moron begging for attention. Oh, and homosexuality is wrong. I also hope Bush put's a stop to homosexuals getting married.you homophobic bastard, why does gay marriage bother you? there is no way that any gay couples are affecting you or your family's lives, so grow the fuck up. saying homosexuality is wrong is saying that minority races shouldnt be free in amerika, "real amerikan"

[lavalamped]

you homophobic bastard, why does gay marriage bother you? there is no way that any gay couples are affecting you or your family's lives, so grow the fuck up. saying homosexuality is wrong is saying that minority races shouldnt be free in amerika, "real amerikan"damn straight

[Ocean Byrd]

RA is just trying to piss people off, don't tell him off. Ignore him unless you can insult his ignorance.

[Real American]

Homosexuality is NOT wrong. Just because it makes you uncomfortable DOESN'T mean it's wrong. Saying a person is gay shouldn't be an insult either. I am tired of morons discriminating. You are what you are. So get fucking tolerant. We need a gay president...it'd show that America has wised up. It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I try to ignore it. However, it is wrong. Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.

saying homosexuality is wrong is saying that minority races shouldnt be free in amerika, "real amerikan" No, sorry, it isn't the same thing. Minorities have nothing to do with this. Men have a penis, women have a vagina. Put these two together and you have an enjoyable expirience with the oppertunity to create life. Two men together or women are just a feel good thing. It is wrong. Nothing you can say can change this. I love the sinner, not the sin.

RA is just trying to piss people off, don't tell him off. Ignore him unless you can insult his ignorance. Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion. Rag on the moron that started this thread and on his dumb replies. Oh wait, but he doesn't involve your personal vendetta against me does he? Let me know when you actualy want to discuss views, until then, please stop talking to me or about me.

[lavalamped]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I try to ignore it. However, it is wrong. Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.

No, sorry, it isn't the same thing. Minorities have nothing to do with this. Men have a penis, women have a vagina. Put these two together and you have an enjoyable expirience with the oppertunity to create life. Two men together or women are just a feel good thing. It is wrong. Nothing you can say can change this. I love the sinner, not the sin.

Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion. Rag on the moron that started this thread and on his dumb replies. Oh wait, but he doesn't involve your personal vendetta against me does he? Let me know when you actualy want to discuss views, until then, please stop talking to me or about me.

First of all, the God issue is an opinion, NOT a fact. If there is a "god", "he" doesn't dislike homosexuals, he's just mad they found a loophole in his system.:)
Second of all, you penis+vagina=joy doesn't fit everyone. Gay people are born with different brain systems. I would much rather have a comfortable gay communtity than a bunch of homosexuals crying inside not living as themselves, GAY.
Third of alll, you say that because two people of the same sex are not able to have children, therefor the act of sex is wrong is incorrect (in my opinion). Look at it this way, a woman is born with faulty reproductive organs...maybe her uterus doesn't function. Does this mean that the woman should NEVER have sex because all powerful "god" has created her with this flaw of never being able to reproduce??? I would think not.
And hey, man What's wrong with this feel good thing you are talkin' about? Isn't it all about the love anyways?:) Love between, man & woman...man & man....woman & woman. It's all a beautiful thing. With all this war in this crazy messed up world, more love is all what it's about.
Usually, the most homophobic are the ones hiding something.
Just keep the peace & let the lovin' flow, man. Right on.
Maybe I typed too much, shit. & yes, the guy that started this post is a jackass.
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[backtothelab]

Rofl, Bush is a boring ass pirate. lol, do they actually call gay people ass pirates now? I think thats so damn funny.

[Captain Foamy]

Look I don't care if your gay, I stand up for gay rights, but I also stand up[ for my rights to call gay people butt commando's and ass looters. If you want to mug the rectal cavern be my guest but I will come up with witty ass robbery jokes at my leasure.

PS> Jesus the son of God couldn't catch and he got cut from his JV softball team. It's in the bible look it up.

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[soulrebel51]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I try to ignore it. However, it is wrong. Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.
god is a mythical figure, made up by people over time so that their religion can hypnotize its followers into thinking that they are wrong if they dont follow it completely. to say that gay sex/marriage is wrong because of some god is pure and utter crap. do you really think that everyone believes in your god, or any god at all?


and captain foamy, fuck you, nobody has any right to use those words, and your reasons are bullshit.

[Ocean Byrd]

Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion. Rag on the moron that started this thread and on his dumb replies. Oh wait, but he doesn't involve your personal vendetta against me does he? Let me know when you actualy want to discuss views, until then, please stop talking to me or about me.

Ahem...

Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.

Only the last sentance is an opinion... weren't you talking about how me and Psilodex were always contradicting ourselves before?

[Captain Foamy]

I don't believe in censoring any ideas including derogatory ones. If you ban hate then love will not exsist. If you ban dildo's then fingers will stink. Do you see now. You can't stop things so embrace them.

Rock the revolution.

[soulrebel51]

I don't believe in censoring any ideas including derogatory ones. If you ban hate then love will not exsist. If you ban dildo's then fingers will stink. Do you see now. You can't stop things so embrace them.

Rock the revolution.

that has nothing to do with what you said before

[lavalamped]

Bottom line: fuck who ever you want just as long as they are okay with it. Oh & thanks Capt. Intollerant, with out hate there is no love. & the sky is blue...& my first name begins with an N. Wow, did you make a point with that one...
Everyone needs to just chill & fuck somebody. That's why capt. foamy is so unbalanced, he thinks his same sexed neighbor is hot & jacks off to him unfulfilling his true desire to fuck his brains out. How sad. Okay, that may have just been a theory, but it adds up.
This is so frustrating...
less fighting, more toking. 'at's what I gotta say. Okay? Just get over it. Two dudes fuck sometimes, & that's cool. Right on for them. K?
Take a mind break... Realize not everyone is just like you in pleasantville.

[Nyssa]

Man I totally agree with you lavalamped. peoples personal beliefs on things should not get in the way of anyone elses rights under any circumstances. People have the right to do what they want. It is not hurting anyone else if someone choses to be with someone of the same sex. It is not a big deal. And people fight that it isnt 'godly' to do it, well God is not supposed to be able to get in the way of other peoples beliefs and actions. And if you really want to go by god it also says in the bible that God is the only one that can judge other people and judging is what everyone is doing to homosexuals. if you dont think it is 'right' (which i personally do not see what is so wrong with it and i believe that you are born to be either heterosexual or homosexual and you do not really have a choice about it) then you dont do it, but that doesnt mean noone else can either. We need to learn to just love each other regardless of the differences we all have in us.

[Ocean Byrd]

Man I totally agree with you lavalamped. peoples personal beliefs on things should not get in the way of anyone elses rights under any circumstances. People have the right to do what they want. It is not hurting anyone else if someone choses to be with someone of the same sex. It is not a big deal. And people fight that it isnt 'godly' to do it, well God is not supposed to be able to get in the way of other peoples beliefs and actions. And if you really want to go by god it also says in the bible that God is the only one that can judge other people and judging is what everyone is doing to homosexuals. if you dont think it is 'right' (which i personally do not see what is so wrong with it and i believe that you are born to be either heterosexual or homosexual and you do not really have a choice about it) then you dont do it, but that doesnt mean noone else can either. We need to learn to just love each other regardless of the differences we all have in us.

That was a very moving post; too bad there aren't more people in the world that think that way. I know I try to get over differences; but it's hard with the people who don't agree with that philosophy, which seems to be the majority now a days...

[soulrebel51]

That was a very moving post; too bad there aren't more people in the world that think that way. I know I try to get over differences; but it's hard with the people who don't agree with that philosophy, which seems to be the majority now a days...
its very sad, but its taught that its wrong not to agree with the majority.

[Real American]

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Originally Posted by Real American
Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion. Rag on the moron that started this thread and on his dumb replies. Oh wait, but he doesn't involve your personal vendetta against me does he? Let me know when you actualy want to discuss views, until then, please stop talking to me or about me.


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Originally Posted by Real American
Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.


Only the last sentance is an opinion... weren't you talking about how me and Psilodex were always contradicting ourselves before? Show me where I contradicted myself. Please, show me the exact sentence vs the other sentence that contradicts. Also, because you said that only my last sentence was an opinion, that would lead to say that the rest was fact. If that is true, then you agree with me that God did not intend for a man to be with a man and that it is wrong. If you disagree, then everything I said is in my opinion. AKA my beliefs.


To the rest of you that are trying to knock my God. Thats your deal, not mine. Believe what you want, I'll pray for you. According to my God that has taken care of me in so many ways and given me so many miracles, He says homosexuality is wrong. Oh, and you can be born with aids, not gayism. It's not a gene, its something that feels good to someone. If anything scientific, I would call it a sickness.

[lavalamped]

hmmmmmmmm.......

[Ocean Byrd]

Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion. Rag on the moron that started this thread and on his dumb replies. Oh wait, but he doesn't involve your personal vendetta against me does he? Let me know when you actualy want to discuss views, until then, please stop talking to me or about me.

Ahem...

Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.

Only the last sentance is an opinion... weren't you talking about how me and Psilodex were always contradicting ourselves before?

Show me where I contradicted myself. Please, show me the exact sentence vs the other sentence that contradicts. Also, because you said that only my last sentence was an opinion, that would lead to say that the rest was fact. If that is true, then you agree with me that God did not intend for a man to be with a man and that it is wrong. If you disagree, then everything I said is in my opinion. AKA my beliefs.

Actualy, I am just voicing my opinion.

Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle.

You state that God created us this way so that we would have heterosexual relations only; the word of God is not an opinion nor is his/her views of what's right yours. You did not create us, therefor you have no grounds to say how we should be. If you feel that if God had intended for us to have homosexual relations (giving us the ability to procreate as such) then you are clearly assuming what was set forth to be moral is that this conflicts with God's views of morality. This, in a sense, is assuming you know what God really wanted in creating us and is seemingly blasphemous. If this is incorrect example of blasphemy, I apologize as I am not Christian and do not know what goes against the religion (other than homosexuality).

To the rest of you that are trying to knock my God. Thats your deal, not mine. Believe what you want, I'll pray for you. According to my God that has taken care of me in so many ways and given me so many miracles, He says homosexuality is wrong. Oh, and you can be born with aids, not gayism. It's not a gene, its something that feels good to someone. If anything scientific, I would call it a sickness.

I can barely believe what you just posted that; homosexuality, a sickness? Sexual orientation isn't a gene, like you said, it's a certain mindset that some people can not help. I'm sure no one is sure of what actually causes the fluxuation in sexual orientation, so you of all people have no say in why it is so wrong. If people chose to be homosexuals purely to defy Christianity, then you could rant all you want, but God made them that way. God was the one who created people afterall, right? See, this is why I am not Christian, the bible is a tangled mess of contradictions and it sickens me to see someone so faithfully and blindly follow such rules and regulations to set their life to.

But, if it suits you and helps you through life, awesome; I just think you shouldn't be so strict in your pursuit of the religion.

[soulrebel51]

Show me where I contradicted myself. Please, show me the exact sentence vs the other sentence that contradicts. Also, because you said that only my last sentence was an opinion, that would lead to say that the rest was fact. If that is true, then you agree with me that God did not intend for a man to be with a man and that it is wrong. If you disagree, then everything I said is in my opinion. AKA my beliefs.


To the rest of you that are trying to knock my God. Thats your deal, not mine. Believe what you want, I'll pray for you. According to my God that has taken care of me in so many ways and given me so many miracles, He says homosexuality is wrong. Oh, and you can be born with aids, not gayism. It's not a gene, its something that feels good to someone. If anything scientific, I would call it a sickness.

so by what your saying its a sickness to enjoy major league baseball? or that its wrong to like nature? or its wrong to like peace? arent those things that make a person feel good?

[Real American]

so by what your saying its a sickness to enjoy major league baseball? or that its wrong to like nature? or its wrong to like peace? arent those things that make a person feel good? Did I say that? Did I mention baseball, nature, or peace? In my post I was refering to homesexuality. It was plain as day.

You state that God created us this way so that we would have heterosexual relations only; the word of God is not an opinion nor is his/her views of what's right yours.Ok, in talking with my wife on this sentence, I asked her if the word of God wasn't an opinion what would it be, she said "Well, then logicly it would be considered fact." Now, if you disreguard that bit of info I have this for you. If I believe in the Word of God, and you don't, then that makes it my opinion.

You did not create us, therefor you have no grounds to say how we should be.I never told you what to do or what to believe. I have my reasons for believing that homosexuality is wrong.

If you feel that if God had intended for us to have homosexual relations (giving us the ability to procreate as such) then you are clearly assuming what was set forth to be moral is that this conflicts with God's views of morality. This, in a sense, is assuming you know what God really wanted in creating us and is seemingly blasphemous. In The Bible, we are told that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, my understanding comes from the Word of God.

I'm sure no one is sure of what actually causes the fluxuation in sexual orientation, so you of all people have no say in why it is so wrong. Ok, let's look at it from a scientific pov then. As I have stated before, men have a penis, and women have a vagina. What is the penis used for? What is the vagina used for? Our bodies, however you want to believe they were created, are designed to fit the other sex not the same sex. It's a simple and logical idea. Even when you attempt to remove my beliefs through God, and look at it wholy on a logical and scientifical(did i just make a new word?) level, homosexuality doesn't fit.

If people chose to be homosexuals purely to defy Christianity, then you could rant all you want, but God made them that way. God was the one who created people afterall, right? See, this is why I am not Christian, the bible is a tangled mess of contradictions and it sickens me to see someone so faithfully and blindly follow such rules and regulations to set their life to.According to The Bible, God does not make you sin. God does not make you a homosexual. You make that decision on your own. Also, if you are not a believer and a follower, why would you attempt to use God in your argument? If you don't believe in Him, why bring Him up in your defence?

[Ocean Byrd]

Ok, in talking with my wife on this sentence, I asked her if the word of God wasn't an opinion what would it be, she said "Well, then logicly it would be considered fact." Now, if you disreguard that bit of info I have this for you. If I believe in the Word of God, and you don't, then that makes it my opinion.

But you presented the Word of God as a statement against the concept of homosexuality. If you quote something (it doesn't have to be in a direct context), it usually implies that you are using it to present a fact. Saying that God created men and women with specific sexual organs that fit eachother implied that homosexuality was not meant to be by God; a fact.

I never told you what to do or what to believe. I have my reasons for believing that homosexuality is wrong.

That you do, just as I have my reasons for believing that your view is still a little close minded.

In The Bible, we are told that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, my understanding comes from the Word of God.

Yes, but I just find that the concept of free will is diminished by this thought. Why would we be given free will if we were supposed to not do something? Granted, murder and other acts that are alike also throw the above statement into question.

Ok, let's look at it from a scientific pov then. As I have stated before, men have a penis, and women have a vagina. What is the penis used for? What is the vagina used for? Our bodies, however you want to believe they were created, are designed to fit the other sex not the same sex. It's a simple and logical idea. Even when you attempt to remove my beliefs through God, and look at it wholy on a logical and scientifical(did i just make a new word?) level, homosexuality doesn't fit.

Although our bodies may not be made for it, feelings towards members of the same sex can and do still exist. Just because the idea of sexual intercourse is twisted on this field, doesn't mean that a man cannot love another man or a woman can't love another woman. Maybe what the bible speaks of about homosexuality is actually the act of sexual intercourse? I don't know, I have never really read the bible.

According to The Bible, God does not make you sin. God does not make you a homosexual. You make that decision on your own. Also, if you are not a believer and a follower, why would you attempt to use God in your argument? If you don't believe in Him, why bring Him up in your defence?

Most people don't choose to be a homosexual. I, for one, am fairly sure that I am bisexual; I have no idea why I'm attracted to both sexes, but I am. The only reason I use God in my defence is because it seems to be a common ground that both me and you can converse on; I may not be Christian now, but I was until about 2 years ago. I have a decent understanding of the religion, I suppose; but I look at it from other viewpoints now. I suppose I should look at it from your viewpoint, but I just don't agree with some of the aspects/concepts of the bible.

[Real American]

Yes, but I just find that the concept of free will is diminished by this thought. Why would we be given free will if we were supposed to not do something? Granted, murder and other acts that are alike also throw the above statement into question.Because He will not force us to do anything. He does not force us to accept Him, nor love Him. He gave us free will so that we could decide to follow Him.

I believe in the Word of God. I trust God. I trust The Holy Spirit wich shows me these things. I can also look at it from a whole other view, and still see that it is wrong. You dont see two male dogs having sex do you? You dont see two female cats having sex do you? You don't see same sex horses having sex do you? Homosexuality is wrong, no matter wich way you look at it.

[beachbum7]

Real American, your recent threads are another reason why I hate homophobia.

[Real American]

Who mentioned homophobia? Because I don't accept the sin doesn't mean I won't love the sinner. Here is the cliche: I have several (insert gay/black/hispanic/pegan) friends who know my beliefs and we get along just fine.

[beachbum7]

I interpret "homosexuality is wrong" as homophobia. Of course, it's easy (unfortunately) to find people of all walks of life who think "homosexuality is wrong." I don't like it when people use the Bible as their reason for stuff like "homosexuality is wrong" (I'm very not the religious type). I don't think homosexuality is wrong - there's a lot more than a person than whom a person is sexually attracted to, and if I someone's attracted to a person of the same sex, so be it. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Real American]

If I want to mary my dog..would that be ok? Maybe a father wants to mary his of age daughter(or even under age). Who are we to tell them that is wrong...right?

[beachbum7]

The definition of what's "wrong" has seemingly changed in America. A long time ago in America, interracial marriage seemed "wrong." Now, it's (at least) accepted by more than half of the American population.

If you want to marry your dog, go ahead :) A father wants to marry his daughter... very weird.

[Kabbalist]

I interpret "homosexuality is wrong" as homophobia. Of course, it's easy (unfortunately) to find people of all walks of life who think "homosexuality is wrong." I don't like it when people use the Bible as their reason for stuff like "homosexuality is wrong" (I'm very not the religious type). I don't think homosexuality is wrong - there's a lot more than a person than whom a person is sexually attracted to, and if I someone's attracted to a person of the same sex, so be it. I see nothing wrong with that.
That's the way I like it! And by the way, in Holland we almost had a gay president. Did you know Pim Fortuyn? Unfortunately he was murdered the day before the elections...

[Balbus]

Well first of all I must thank Real for inviting me here from another thread http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194235#post194235 (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194235).

I will go back to the question I had there -

You seem to be basing your views on religious dogma in this case, the bible. So is your view that gay marriage is wrong based on your own rational reasoning or have you given up thinking for yourself and decided to allow some long dead worshiper of a middle eastern sky god think for you?

And if you accept that piece of text without question do you accept just as unthinkingly the wackier parts of the bible, like the stoning to death of people for certain crimes?


Real’s reply was

You think I am dumb because I have faith in something you can't see. Like the air you breath I know God is real. His pressence and miracles have been in my life for a long time, starting from the day I was supposed to be aborted. Would you like to see my views on homosexuality(thats what it is, not gay, I hate that people use a word that means happy to describe a sickness)?

Guess you believe a rock crashed into something and we sprouted from an omeba or something? Perhaps monkeys? No wait, maybe it was some magical mushroom that created us from it's spores and we should bow down to it.....don't get pissy because we believe in something you can't understand.

And yet another person that takes bits and pieces of The Bible and twists them. Read that part about the stoning...who showed up and stoped it? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

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Well Real I don’t know you well enough yet to know if you are dumb or not, but when you say –

I have faith in something you can't see. Like the air you breath I know God is real.

Are you saying that your god is as real and as quantifiable as the air I breathe? You see the air I breathe is made up of a number of gasses along with other trace elements. The main gasses involved in breathable air on earth are nitrogen and oxygen and it is possible to extract and separate the different components that make up the air so that they can be physically seen and examined. Are you saying that your god can physically be seen and examined, and that you have a method to do this?

From what I know most Christians believe there god is not viewable or examinable in any real (that is scientific) sense there is no incontrovertible proof of its existence, and it is for that very reason that they place such relevance in faith.

So it seems to me that rationality and questioning go out the window to be replaced in belief in the words of someone else, be it priest or sacred text.

But there are others who just use religion.

So I ask for example is your view on homosexuality a prejudice that you are just using a religion to back up or are you slavishly what the bible says?

But either way it seems irrationally based.

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don't get pissy because we believe in something you can't understand.

The thing is do you understand it? I mean you’re a Christian but what type which version of the many Christian gods do you worship? Is it the Catholic one or one of those Protestant sects, is it the one of the right wing TV evangelist or the liberal Anglican vicar? And what about all those other religions why ain’t you one of those a Sikh, Hindu or Muslim?

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And yet another person that takes bits and pieces of The Bible and twists them. Read that part about the stoning...who showed up and stoped it? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".


Well that was in the New Testament the thing about homosexuality you were talking about was from the Old Testament. Also isn’t it open to interpretation, did Jesus here mean that only those that had not committed the sin of adultery could stone? Or was it that any sin committed counted? What about original sin, and if Jesus washed away that sin what then? Was he talking about all executions or just stoning, etc etc, I could go on for a while and that is often the problem there can be many interpretations of religious texts which are normal ambiguous in nature.

So here are a few more reasons for execution in the Old Testament

A male who was not circumcised: Genesis 17:14

Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread: Exodus 12:15

Manufacturing anointing oil: Exodus 30:33

Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple: Leviticus 17:1-9

Consuming blood: Leviticus 17:10

Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20

Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8

Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18

Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13

Persons teaching another religion: Deuteronomy 13:1-11

A prophet whose prophecy does not come true: Deuteronomy 18:22

Gluttony and excessive drinking: Deuteronomy 21:20

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There are seldom winners and losers in a debate and only the immature think in scoring points. Having said that it looks like a football (soccer) score, so for a bit of fun I’ll tell you what if you can get your god to meet me at my local pitch I’ll shoot a few penalties with him (or her) but if this god of yours doesn’t show up I win OK?

[Real American]

He's already there, says He has been waiting on you your whole life and wants to know why you have ignored Him. He understands your need to see Him. As many needed to see Christ after He died to believe he had risen. He also points out that a lot of things have happened that you believe in that you never saw. You have 5 min to get there. If you make it, get on your knees and tell Him hello for me. :)

[Balbus]

"He's already there, says He has been waiting on you your whole life and wants to know why you have ignored Him."

So let me get this straight this god talks to you like that ‘tells’ you things, and you can’t see whose talking it is just a voice in your head, right?

I’m being serious here RA I think you should seek some professional medical help. Having religion is one thing it is just irrational, hearing voices in your head is an indication of something a lot more serious and dangerous, for you and others. Please get help.

[Kabbalist]

"He's already there, says He has been waiting on you your whole life and wants to know why you have ignored Him."

So let me get this straight this god talks to you like that ‘tells’ you things, and you can’t see whose talking it is just a voice in your head, right?

I’m being serious here RA I think you should seek some professional medical help. Having religion is one thing it is just irrational, hearing voices in your head is an indication of something a lot more serious and dangerous, for you and others. Please get help.

I'm sorry, I have to interfear. Your message isn't that cool, maybe you don't believe in a particular God or Buddha or Allah or whatever, but you must have respect for those who do. Maybe you think he's complete nuts, but that doesn't give you the right to tell him to find "professional medical help"! Come on, be cool!

[Real American]

So let me get this straight this god talks to you like that ‘tells’ you things, and you can’t see whose talking it is just a voice in your head, right?

I’m being serious here RA I think you should seek some professional medical help. Having religion is one thing it is just irrational, hearing voices in your head is an indication of something a lot more serious and dangerous, for you and others. Please get help.
See, you aren't even willing to try and accept something different. You never went there to see. You believe the American Revolution happened right? You wern't there, you didn't see it. Oh wait, witnesses right? Like the ones that saw Christ walk on water? Or do you need more, maybe the ones that saw him feed three thousand people with a few fish and a couple loaves of bread? You think and believe what you want. I'm not here to force that on you. I'll just pray for you. God has done miracles in my life and probably a few in yours that you just haven't recognized. Just remeber one thing for me, if you happen to be alive when America and the rest of the world turn on Israel, find a Bible(and read it) and remember that we had this discusion.

Now, if you would read my other posts, you will see that I have shown homosexuality wrong not just in the spiritual aspect, but also on the logical and simple ways we humans figure things out.

[Jozak]

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. I try to ignore it. However, it is wrong. Two men can not create life, nor can two women. God created us with sexual organs that fit together like a puzzle. I feel that had it been ment for us to have same sex relations then we would be able to procreate among same sexes.
Your fallacy is becasue you say it's wrong, it obviously must be--which is a matter of opinion. The the only wrong one here right now is you. You have a very narrow minded, fundementalist view, would you disown your kids if they came to and told you they were gay?

[FreakyJoeMan]

Heh heh ameobas clone themselves, as do most other single celled organisms. Reptiles can reproduce themselves through parthenogenesis, and tree frogs in the Amazon can change their sex. All this occurs in nature, so sayin that male+female is the only way to reproduce is scientifically incorrect.

[Jozak]

In The Bible, we are told that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, my understanding comes from the Word of God.
Typical fundementalist, literal interpretation, of the bible indeed. And what's worse, the King James version. :$ The bible also says it's okay to stone women, so can we assume you think that it's okay to do that?

Ok, let's look at it from a scientific pov then. As I have stated before, men have a penis, and women have a vagina. What is the penis used for? What is the vagina used for? Our bodies, however you want to believe they were created, are designed to fit the other sex not the same sex. It's a simple and logical idea. Even when you attempt to remove my beliefs through God, and look at it wholy on a logical and scientifical(did i just make a new word?) level, homosexuality doesn't fit.
I could prove you wrong and show you dozens of pictures of a penis fitting just fine into somthing else other than a vagina. Are women supposed to not give blow jobs becasue it was designed for their vagina only, and not their mouths? Come on, get real. There are animals that do homosexual acts, so your little biology lesson fell short their as well.

[Moonjava]

Homosexuality is NOT wrong. Just because it makes you uncomfortable DOESN'T mean it's wrong. Saying a person is gay shouldn't be an insult either. I am tired of morons discriminating. You are what you are. So get fucking tolerant. We need a gay president...it'd show that America has wised up.
LoL, dream on!! there will never be a gay president. Personally, that makes me happy because the majority of American's don't support homosexulity. :)

[Moonjava]

See, you aren't even willing to try and accept something different. yes, Real American, we are among the minority, just as Jesus was when he was here. He wasn't popular, and was condemned a lot. It just makes me laugh how people here want you to be open-minded and accept their ideas with open arms. But when you disagree and state your reasons using religion to back them up, all the sudden it turns into a real fight because no one wants to hear about it.

[Moonjava]

I'm sorry, I have to interfear. Your message isn't that cool, maybe you don't believe in a particular God or Buddha or Allah or whatever, but you must have respect for those who do. Maybe you think he's complete nuts, but that doesn't give you the right to tell him to find "professional medical help"! Come on, be cool!Thank you Kabbalist. :)

[Moonjava]

you homophobic bastard, why does gay marriage bother you? there is no way that any gay couples are affecting you or your family's lives, so grow the fuck up. saying homosexuality is wrong is saying that minority races shouldnt be free in amerika, "real amerikan"BS! If I have children some day, I don't want them to see 2 people of the same sex making out and think it's okay because society and it's laws say it is.

[Moonjava]

I haven't read all of the many posts on this thread, so this may have already been said, but in case you don't remember, Bush doesn't support gays, Kerry does. You're getting you candidates mixed up here.

[Captain Foamy]

Bush hates gays but he fucks dude butt, hes a self loather. He huffs farts too and then cries. Then he has Cheney masterbate him and they both cry then they try to make their gaydome illegal. Bush is a lame ass dick weed.

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Plus religion debates are bogus because religion is lame. I came up with three of them. Go to Bahrain and see who they worship, me bitches.

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Abortion saves lives, real lives not fake fetus lives!

[Ocean Byrd]

Because He will not force us to do anything. He does not force us to accept Him, nor love Him. He gave us free will so that we could decide to follow Him.

I believe in the Word of God. I trust God. I trust The Holy Spirit wich shows me these things. I can also look at it from a whole other view, and still see that it is wrong. You dont see two male dogs having sex do you? You dont see two female cats having sex do you? You don't see same sex horses having sex do you? Homosexuality is wrong, no matter wich way you look at it.


That is true that homosexuality between animals isn't heard of very often; but humans are one of the only animals that have sex for pleasure. Unless sexual intercourse without procreation in mind is a sin, then it could not be a sin to have sexual intercourse with another member of the same gender. Just because two men or two women have sex with eachother doesn't mean it's any different (on the affection level, that is) from sexual intercourse between a heterosexual couple. They are both doing it for pleasure, not procreation, so why is it a sin?

[Ocean Byrd]

yes, Real American, we are among the minority, just as Jesus was when he was here. He wasn't popular, and was condemned a lot. It just makes me laugh how people here want you to be open-minded and accept their ideas with open arms. But when you disagree and state your reasons using religion to back them up, all the sudden it turns into a real fight because no one wants to hear about it.

Personally, I can not accept statements from the bible as a way to back up someone's opinion. The bible was written by man; it was translated from Latin by a corrupt church during the medival periods; there could be numerous texts left out and there are several contradictions in the bible. If homosexuality is a sin, but anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as your savior will have their sins forgiven; then why are homosexuals condemned to go to hell?

BS! If I have children some day, I don't want them to see 2 people of the same sex making out and think it's okay because society and it's laws say it is.

... It's people like you who will turn America into the next holocaust hot spot. "Oh noes! Billy saw Tommy and Joey kissing today! He's starting to accept the fact that some people are different than him! Guess we better go kill them before they teach Billy to think for himself..."

[soulrebel51]

damn, this country/christianity are so fucked up. so much hate and discrimination and ignorance. its not the fuckin olden days, grow the fuck up and stop being so intolerant, dumbasses

[Real American]

That is true that homosexuality between animals isn't heard of very often; but humans are one of the only animals that have sex for pleasure. Unless sexual intercourse without procreation in mind is a sin, then it could not be a sin to have sexual intercourse with another member of the same gender. Just because two men or two women have sex with eachother doesn't mean it's any different (on the affection level, that is) from sexual intercourse between a heterosexual couple. They are both doing it for pleasure, not procreation, so why is it a sin? I never said that sex between a man and a woman was not ment to be enjoyable. Nor did I say that homosexuals couldn't enjoy it. Nor do I think that Two men or two women can not have that loving bond. According to The Bible I read and believe in, homosexuality is wrong. I am simply pointing out that the way we are made, and looking at most of nature around us, a penis is used to deliver sperm into a vagina. Someone mentioned that there are some species that change sex to reproduce. This is true, I am sure God had a valid reason for doing things that way. However, humans were not made this way. Homosexuality is a perversion.


The bible also says it's okay to stone women, so can we assume you think that it's okay to do that? The Bible tells us things that happened long ago. Call it a group of stories if you will. Try reading a little ahead of the part you are refering to, then a little past it, see if you can catch the meaning of the story.
I could prove you wrong and show you dozens of pictures of a penis fitting just fine into somthing else other than a vagina.Yes, your penis could fit inside a cow, a dog, a cat, many animals and objects. Should we allow the marriage of a man to his sheep? Perhaps a brother and sister?

The bible was written by manInspired by The Holy Spirit as well as men and witnesses that were there to live the story the story they tell us. No different that the crowdes of peple that would sit on a hill and watch battles during The American Revolution.
it was translated from Latin by a corrupt church during the medival periods; there could be numerous texts left out and there are several contradictions in the bible.It has sence been translated word for word. Of course, translation from hebrew and latin into english gives us quite a few words and phrases we may not know the exact meaning of. So, what they did was get several people together and allowed them to interpret what each of them thought it ment. Some felt the same as others, and some felt different. The point is, The Bible consisting of all of it's books has been translated without chaging the text. Noone took out anything to suit their desires, and noone added anything as well.

If homosexuality is a sin, but anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as your savior will have their sins forgiven; then why are homosexuals condemned to go to hell? I can not tell you if they would go to hell or not. Their sins would indeed be forgiven, but a true follower of Christ and The All Mighty God, would change their ways to follow the will of God.


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Originally Posted by Moonjava
BS! If I have children some day, I don't want them to see 2 people of the same sex making out and think it's okay because society and it's laws say it is.


... It's people like you who will turn America into the next holocaust hot spot. "Oh noes! Billy saw Tommy and Joey kissing today! He's starting to accept the fact that some people are different than him! Guess we better go kill them before they teach Billy to think for himself..." I pray that my son will grow up to be a strong follower of God. Able to lead men and women to Christ. If by chance Satan gets ahold of him through sexual perversion, I will certainly not stop loving him. It will be clear to my son that I disaproove of his sexual perversion, but I will still love him with all my heart. After all, he is a gift from God.


damn, this country/christianity are so fucked up. so much hate and discrimination and ignorance. its not the fuckin olden days, grow the fuck up and stop being so intolerant, dumbasses Hrmm, so you are saying I should drop what I believe and adopt what you believe? Perhaps it is you that is being "intolerant"? What makes me sad is that you will forever be unhappy with something. You will always see it as if someone is trying to take somethign away from you. You said it's not "the olden days". I'm sorry, but what exactly was wrong with morals? Also, don't mentin the fact that there was racism and slavery and what not. Not every person supported it. Guarente if there is one good thing the older generation had that the past few didn't was respect. Learn it.

[Ocean Byrd]

I never said that sex between a man and a woman was not ment to be enjoyable. Nor did I say that homosexuals couldn't enjoy it. Nor do I think that Two men or two women can not have that loving bond. According to The Bible I read and believe in, homosexuality is wrong. I am simply pointing out that the way we are made, and looking at most of nature around us, a penis is used to deliver sperm into a vagina. Someone mentioned that there are some species that change sex to reproduce. This is true, I am sure God had a valid reason for doing things that way. However, humans were not made this way. Homosexuality is a perversion.

If homosexuality is perversion, then would anal intercourse between a heterosexual couple be considered perversion? Again, sex often had for mere pleasure is going away from the concept of procreation; the fact that the penis is made to deliver sperm into the vagina is forgotten. Is sexual intercourse without procreation in mind a sin? Let's look away from the sexual intercourse aspect of homosexual couples, and focus more upon the relationship. Is it the relationship that is a sin? Is the love between two men or two women that is wrong, or sexual activity? Love can exist without sexual lust; so why are homosexuals made wrong in God's eyes?

Inspired by The Holy Spirit as well as men and witnesses that were there to live the story the story they tell us. No different that the crowdes of peple that would sit on a hill and watch battles during The American Revolution.

Yes, but that does not necessarily mean that every verse is true. I'm just as much to blame (for lack of better vocabulary) for not providing proof to this statement as you are for providing counter-proof; neither of us lived and witnessed anything from these time periods. Although the experiences you may have had in your lifetime (the miracles you spoke of) are your proof that the bible has some truth to it, I don't think you have enough experiences to cover all the events that took place.

It has sence been translated word for word. Of course, translation from hebrew and latin into english gives us quite a few words and phrases we may not know the exact meaning of. So, what they did was get several people together and allowed them to interpret what each of them thought it ment. Some felt the same as others, and some felt different. The point is, The Bible consisting of all of it's books has been translated without chaging the text. Noone took out anything to suit their desires, and noone added anything as well.

My apologies then, I thought that the original bible had been destroyed by the church of the medival ages. Guess I should retake history.

I can not tell you if they would go to hell or not. Their sins would indeed be forgiven, but a true follower of Christ and The All Mighty God, would change their ways to follow the will of God.

I know that you more than likely already realized this (in fact, I probably shouldn't even say it, but, oh well), but not everyone is Christian, and even some that are, don't feel that homosexuals should change their lifestyle meerly to please God's set of sins (temptations, you could call them that too I suppose) to avoid in life.

I pray that my son will grow up to be a strong follower of God. Able to lead men and women to Christ. If by chance Satan gets ahold of him through sexual perversion, I will certainly not stop loving him. It will be clear to my son that I disaproove of his sexual perversion, but I will still love him with all my heart. After all, he is a gift from God.

No need for that, I was directing it at Moonjava; I already learned in a previous post of yours that you still tolerate homosexuals, which is good. That calmed my responses from a fiery blaze to a calm debate, that's why I haven't been so aggressive since.

[Kabbalist]

I used to be a very religious Christian and I know the Bible pretty well. Now I noticed some very strange things:

* Only the old Testament is very clear about homosexuality, but it's only two or three verses in all those books. I hope you know this: when Christ died on the cross he fulfilled the whole old Testament, that's the reason why we don't have to eat Kosher and we don't have all those rules about killing men and women after just a simple mistake.

* Jesus didn't even mention homosexuality once. Nor did his disciples, only Paul is mentioning it in very mysterious ways. Jesus would have said something about it, when he thought it was of any importance, but he didn't!


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[beachbum7]

That's the way I like it! And by the way, in Holland we almost had a gay president. Did you know Pim Fortuyn? Unfortunately he was murdered the day before the elections...

I remember Pim Fotuyn. I didn't care for his beliefs on immigration, but it was very unfortunate that he was murdered.

If anyone thinks my sense of humor is sick, please say so: In my dream world, if there are any blatantly homophobic people who are parents, one of their children would come out of the closet. That would make for an interesting scenario.

[Balbus]

I find your post unenlightening but revealing. I will try to explain that seeming contradiction. Maybe others didn’t notice but I certainly did that you haven’t addressed any of the points I’ve raised and I think that goes to the heart of your view.

I’m unsure you understand the religion that you say you follow?

Oh you score high on the bluster level but those that bluster often have something to hide and in this case it would seem that is it trying to veil a lack of knowledge and analysis in what you actually say you believe in.

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See, you aren't even willing to try and accept something different. You never went there to see. You believe the American Revolution happened right? You wern't there, you didn't see it.

Are you saying once again that you have incontrovertible proof of your god’s existence? The American Revolution has a lot of documentation and material evidence from both sides of that dispute.


As far as I can remember there is no contemporary material for Jesus’ life at the time of his preaching and supposed miracles they come some 30 to 80 years after the events. There are no independent sources for events (that are from people not with a vested interest in seeing Jesus as the messiah). You wish to see Christ as the son of your god, but you are basing this mainly on reports and writers that had a vested interest in convincing you.

It would seem that you want me to look at the events of Jesus’ life with the same critical eye I would bring to the study of the American Revolution.

None of the sources of his life and work can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of his life and death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost without exception on Christian traditions, especially on the material used in the composition of the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke, which reflect the outlook of the later church and its faith in Jesus.

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You think and believe what you want. I'm not here to force that on you. I'll just pray for you.

I would not dream of forcing you either (it is an underlining theme in my post) but I would call for you to look at you beliefs in a rational and reasoned way. It is a plea for you to think for yourself rather as you seem to have done to accept uncritically the words and ideas of others. I just hope that for your own sake and others that you heed my plea.

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if you happen to be alive when America and the rest of the world turn on Israel, find a Bible(and read it) and remember that we had this discusion

Could you clarify and expand on this statement?

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Now, if you would read my other posts, you will see that I have shown homosexuality wrong not just in the spiritual aspect, but also on the logical and simple ways we humans figure things out.

I think you must be mistaken since so far I have seen none of this ‘logical’ argument if you will point out I will look at it?

[Kabbalist]

I remember Pim Fotuyn. I didn't care for his beliefs on immigration, but it was very unfortunate that he was murdered.

If anyone thinks my sense of humor is sick, please say so: In my dream world, if there are any blatantly homophobic people who are parents, one of their children would come out of the closet. That would make for an interesting scenario.
Oops o my, this is so funny but so inconvenient! My parents are very homophobic and I am bisexual. It really is an interesting scenario! Lol! ;)

[Jozak]

The Bible tells us things that happened long ago. Call it a group of stories if you will. Try reading a little ahead of the part you are refering to, then a little past it, see if you can catch the meaning of the story.
I am Christian, I know what the story says. It says it's okay to stone your women for certain things, or to hold slaves of your captives: Should we take these verses verbatium? No, I don't think so. So if it was culturally accepted to do those things then, why is it that Christians don't feel that way now? This is my point, back in those times of course homosexuality was going to be frowned on, (even my own Church in Rome does so, but I don't agree with it.)


Yes, your penis could fit inside a cow, a dog, a cat, many animals and objects. Should we allow the marriage of a man to his sheep? Perhaps a brother and sister?
That arguement is terrible, and did not even address my point. This is what you said:

Ok, let's look at it from a scientific pov then. As I have stated before, men have a penis, and women have a vagina. What is the penis used for? What is the vagina used for? Our bodies, however you want to believe they were created, are designed to fit the other sex not the same sex. It's a simple and logical idea. Even when you attempt to remove my beliefs through God, and look at it wholy on a logical and scientifical(did i just make a new word?) level, homosexuality doesn't fit.

And I told you I could prove you scientifically and logically wrong, which I did. Number one, there are some animals that practice homosexaulity. Number two, I told you that women give oral sex, but is that bad, since the penis is not "supposed" to go into the mouth, but the vagina? As for your arguement that had nothing to do with my point, giving 2 non-related citizens who want to live a healthy, monogomous relationsip a recognition of marrige is not even on the same level as having sex with animals or incest.


Hrmm, so you are saying I should drop what I believe and adopt what you believe? Perhaps it is you that is being "intolerant"? What makes me sad is that you will forever be unhappy with something. You will always see it as if someone is trying to take somethign away from you. You said it's not "the olden days". I'm sorry, but what exactly was wrong with morals? Also, don't mentin the fact that there was racism and slavery and what not. Not every person supported it. Guarente if there is one good thing the older generation had that the past few didn't was respect. Learn it.
No one is asking you to give up your morals, but the fact is your pushing your morals onto others and politics when they have no business being there.

[soulrebel51]

well that was entertaining. not only were Real Amerikan and moonjava shutup by facts, but by their religion too! hahahahaha!:)

[Ocean Byrd]

Don't gloat, I wasn't trying to shut RA up; but Moonjava was annoying. I rather enjoyed the debate after it calmed down. Debate is always fun when it isn't so fierce and aggressive; I should join the debate team at my school o_O.

[soulrebel51]

Don't gloat, I wasn't trying to shut RA up; but Moonjava was annoying. I rather enjoyed the debate after it calmed down. Debate is always fun when it isn't so fierce and aggressive; I should join the debate team at my school o_O.
i know im going to, for the sole purpose of enjoying how angry conservative christians get when you prove them wrong about homosexuality and the war in iraq and things like that. if i was gloating, i didnt do it on purpose, thats just the way I am:D

[Jozak]

well that was entertaining. not only were Real Amerikan and moonjava shutup by facts, but by their religion too! hahahahaha!:)
I take it you were talking about me.........yes, no?

Well if you were, thanks, but if not, oh well :)

Real American, Moonjava, and I might be Christians, but they are defenintly (most likely, anything is possible I suppose) not Catholic, I can tell just from reading their posts. Regular Protestant fundementalists. (not insulting anyone, just guessing here.)

[lover/young_peace]

Animals in nature can be homosexual... my female guinea pig has jumped on my other female guinea pig. I'm not really sure if they were having sex, I didn't stick around to watch. I let them have their privacy. :)
If it's two consenting people I see nothing wrong with it. Now sex with animals, now how would we really know the animal wanted it?

No, I'm just being silly there, but seriously... Okay homosexuality is against your religion. That's dandy, you have every right to believe in your religion. Then don't have intercourse with people of the same sex. Do you really care if other people do? Why? I promise gay people won't infect you. Really, they are just as normal as you or I. Nothing is wrong with them, really. Man, I'm just trying to not hurt anyone here. Let's all just let eachother be. Pretty please that would be nice. Nobody on here seems incredibly intolerant, so this is really directed at anybody... just please let's let eachother be. If they aren't hurting anyone, I don't get what the big fuss is about.

~~be cool people :) ~~

[Real American]

well that was entertaining. not only were Real Amerikan and moonjava shutup by facts, but by their religion too! hahahahaha!Nope. Someone mindless attempt to discredit The Bible will always be around. Someoen will always be trying to challenge God.You supposed facts have not shut me up nor has The Bible I read and follow. Perhaps all of you should get together one night order some pizza and some mountain dew, and put your heads together to come up with something a little better.


Real American, Moonjava, and I might be Christians, but they are defenintly (most likely, anything is possible I suppose) not Catholic, I can tell just from reading their posts. Regular Protestant fundementalists. (not insulting anyone, just guessing here.)Guess again buddy. You might be one of those "religious" people that are mentioned here. I am not. I do not follow catholicism, babtists, protestants, mormons, or jewish religions. What I follow is The Bible. That "labels" me as a Christain. I go to a church that is a non-denomination church that preches from The Bible. You will never catch me praying to a saint, or Jesus's mother. You may see my dancing at my seat as I praise my Lord. Religion is what was created by man to atempt to controle the people and God. I am Christian.

[soulrebel51]

Nope. Someone mindless attempt to discredit The Bible will always be around. Someoen will always be trying to challenge God.You supposed facts have not shut me up nor has The Bible I read and follow. Perhaps all of you should get together one night order some pizza and some mountain dew, and put your heads together to come up with something a little better.


Guess again buddy. You might be one of those "religious" people that are mentioned here. I am not. I do not follow catholicism, babtists, protestants, mormons, or jewish religions. What I follow is The Bible. That "labels" me as a Christain. I go to a church that is a non-denomination church that preches from The Bible. You will never catch me praying to a saint, or Jesus's mother. You may see my dancing at my seat as I praise my Lord. Religion is what was created by man to atempt to controle the people and God. I am Christian.
Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. I read it myself, in your bible. If you takee the bible to heart so much, then do you follow everything in it?

[Real American]

Nope. Someone mindless attempt to discredit The Bible will always be around. Someoen will always be trying to challenge God.You supposed facts have not shut me up nor has The Bible I read and follow. Perhaps all of you should get together one night order some pizza and some mountain dew, and put your heads together to come up with something a little better.


Guess again buddy. You might be one of those "religious" people that are mentioned here. I am not. I do not follow catholicism, babtists, protestants, mormons, or jewish religions. What I follow is The Bible. That "labels" me as a Christain. I go to a church that is a non-denomination church that preches from The Bible. You will never catch me praying to a saint, or Jesus's mother. You may see my dancing at my seat as I praise my Lord. Religion is what was created by man to atempt to controle the people and God. I am Christian.
No one is asking you to give up your morals, but the fact is your pushing your morals onto others and politics when they have no business being there.I didn't start this thread? I am not forcing anything on anyone. It is an unlocked thread, meaning I have everyright to come in and post. What do apple trees produce? Orange trees? Are you sure you are a Christain and have faith in our God? I guess because man happened to be the one that wrote down everything in The Bible when it was said "don't lay with men as you lay with women" you kinda thought he was joking.

Oh, and one more thing. You have now changed it from just homosexual to non-related homosexuals.....related homosexual perverts don't deserve the right to be married? But they love each other. They care about each other. Can't they join your "I am gay and I am proud" marches?

[soulrebel51]

I guess because man happened to be the one that wrote down everything in The Bible when it was said "don't lay with men as you lay with women" you kinda thought he was joking.

that just means to find new sexual positions for male/male sex.:)

[LuciferSam]

Real American, have you ever thought to... you know, think critically about the doctrine regarding sexuality in the Bible, instead of just taking it at face value? I suppose you'll probably say something along the lines of "I would never do that because my faith is super strong!" but do try to look beyond the Bible every once and a while. Fact is, the reasons why homosexuality is so condemned in that book are because of rather faulty viewpoints in society at the time.

For one, in the ancient society of the Mediterranean, medical people mistakenly believed that every man had only a fixed amount of sperm in his lifetime, they didn't know it replenishes itself. So given the mortality rates of the time, it was believed that sperm was a sacred fluid that was not to be wasted, and each man had a duty to conserve it. Thus, homosexuality was considered a waste of the sacred fluid (so the focus was on male homosexuality, I don't know how much they cared about lesbians), since it obviously can't lead to the production of children, and so there's one big reason why it was condemned back in the day - because of faulty ancient medical logic.

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate" :p
- The Monty Python lyrics explained!

[lavalamped]

I never said that sex between a man and a woman was not ment to be enjoyable. Nor did I say that homosexuals couldn't enjoy it. Nor do I think that Two men or two women can not have that loving bond. According to The Bible I read and believe in, homosexuality is wrong. I am simply pointing out that the way we are made, and looking at most of nature around us, a penis is used to deliver sperm into a vagina. Someone mentioned that there are some species that change sex to reproduce. This is true, I am sure God had a valid reason for doing things that way. However, humans were not made this way. Homosexuality is a perversion.


The Bible tells us things that happened long ago. Call it a group of stories if you will. Try reading a little ahead of the part you are refering to, then a little past it, see if you can catch the meaning of the story.
Yes, your penis could fit inside a cow, a dog, a cat, many animals and objects. Should we allow the marriage of a man to his sheep? Perhaps a brother and sister?

Inspired by The Holy Spirit as well as men and witnesses that were there to live the story the story they tell us. No different that the crowdes of peple that would sit on a hill and watch battles during The American Revolution.
It has sence been translated word for word. Of course, translation from hebrew and latin into english gives us quite a few words and phrases we may not know the exact meaning of. So, what they did was get several people together and allowed them to interpret what each of them thought it ment. Some felt the same as others, and some felt different. The point is, The Bible consisting of all of it's books has been translated without chaging the text. Noone took out anything to suit their desires, and noone added anything as well.

I can not tell you if they would go to hell or not. Their sins would indeed be forgiven, but a true follower of Christ and The All Mighty God, would change their ways to follow the will of God.

I pray that my son will grow up to be a strong follower of God. Able to lead men and women to Christ. If by chance Satan gets ahold of him through sexual perversion, I will certainly not stop loving him. It will be clear to my son that I disaproove of his sexual perversion, but I will still love him with all my heart. After all, he is a gift from God.

Hrmm, so you are saying I should drop what I believe and adopt what you believe? Perhaps it is you that is being "intolerant"? What makes me sad is that you will forever be unhappy with something. You will always see it as if someone is trying to take somethign away from you. You said it's not "the olden days". I'm sorry, but what exactly was wrong with morals? Also, don't mentin the fact that there was racism and slavery and what not. Not every person supported it. Guarente if there is one good thing the older generation had that the past few didn't was respect. Learn it.
Satan gets to him through sexual perversion?? Hahahaha. Sorry, it always cracks me up when Christians say that. Morals are okay...to a certain degree. There's always that thought of "I could just bleeping kill my neighbor right now! What a Bush-loving asshole (lol)"...but it takes a real man (er human or something) to just send 20 pizzas to his house or something of that nature.
I don't know, man, but from what I am gathering from collective knowledge of the widely accepted Chistian religion, is that the darkside's lookin' pretty alright. I still consider the Bible to be more of an adult story book that tells you what was alright for the author.
Now, I dunno...I wasn't there, burning bushes? Walking on water? I see similarities between Jesus & David Copperfield, hmmm. Just a thought, heh. Can't we all just get along?? Hmmm? Kiss & make up, just kidding. lol. I really think we need to stop worrying who's religion is right & go along for the ride. So hop on the sexual perversion bandwagon already...free love baby.;) Lol. You don't have to come if you don't want to...just don't interfere with other's lifestyles. I think it'd be a fuckin' boring world if everyone was the same.
I personally find the Bible to be a bit archaic...but I am no higher power athority type. I am Agnostic-Darwinist-Mild Sinner, I suppose. & atsa workin' for me. So stop fighting already! Fuck, man...it's like a hipforums war. Haha.
Anyways...Bush is a douche in my opinion...oh well.
I think that whoever decided that homosexuality was wrong a long, long time ago wasn't getting any. Now hear me out on this theory of mine. John Doe wasn't gettin' any...poor John. His hand was developing calluses at this point. To make himself look more desired, he cut the population in half that he could be fucking. "Homosexuality is wrong! I declare!"(Yes, he talked all fancy like that.) With his new found preaching skills, other men, yet not all the men, decided that they can get more ladies if they ignor the men & at least the chicks were SOMEONE. The free thinkers developed the gay community...some prefering men, some prefering women...some both & whatnot. & they lived in division up to today. Atsa little theory of mine.
Bottom line: Smoke some pot, get tolerant, & fuck someone bitches:cool: .
<3Love in a psychedelic Ziploc peace baggy<3(for airtight freshness),
Natalie

[lover/young_peace]

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate" :p
- The Monty Python lyrics explained!
I almost pissed meself during that movie. That song was hysterical. :)

Really guys, why do you care who someone else if fucking if they aren't hurting anyone?

[Jozak]

Guess again buddy. You might be one of those "religious" people that are mentioned here. Are you saying I am not Christian becasue I happen to be Catholic?

I am not. I do not follow catholicism, babtists, protestants, mormons, or jewish religions. I don't care if you are or not.

What I follow is The Bible. That "labels" me as a Christain. I go to a church that is a non-denomination church that preches from The Bible. It's still a Protestant Church. You are not Orthodox or Catholic, thus, you still are by defenintion Protestant.

You will never catch me praying to a saint, or Jesus's mother.Indeed........your loss.

You may see my dancing at my seat as I praise my Lord. You actually stand up and dance at your church? Is it Church or is it a concert? I went to a non denominational church near my house that was like that and could not stand it, they even had booths of video games and other games set up. One of many reasons I enjoy being Catholic is becasue I know I am not going to a concert, carnival, or shout fest, but hey, whatever works for you.

Religion is what was created by man to atempt to controle the people and God. I am Christian.Christianity is a religion. You are part of a religion. You might want to think that statement through.

[Balbus]

RA

You say you are a Christian but so are many others Catholics Baptists, Protestants, even Mormons, are Christians or are you claiming they worship another god than you do?

"Religion is what was created by man to atempt to controle the people and God"

I believe you are right but you are religious? The biggest way that religions try to control people is to get involved in politics the fact that you seem to be pushing a religiously based political agenda seems to imply you are part of the problem.

[Yaakov]

Forget it!

[Kalipso]

And hey, man What's wrong with this feel good thing you are talkin' about? Isn't it all about the love anyways?:) Love between, man & woman...man & man....woman & woman. It's all a beautiful thing. With all this war in this crazy messed up world, more love is all what it's about. ~A little more love in this fucked up world, is NEVER a bad thing.... no matter who is doin' the lovin'!!!!!

[carpet cleaner]

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