Pedophiles: Sick or Evil? [Archive] - Page 2

heron

06-21-2006, 05:23 PM

It is also inappropriate and crossing the line to:
¥ wash the genitals of a child over 4.
¥ walk in the children's room without knocking.
¥ walk around the house with little or no clothing on.
¥ allowing the child (3 or over) to sleep in parent's bed with them.
¥ being intimate with your partner with child around.
¥ talking about genitalia (even calling them "pet" names like "winkie).
¥ flirting with other adults in the presence of children.
¥ taking a child of the opposite sex into the restroom.
¥ taking a shower or bath with children over 4.

I always thought molestation was sticking a pinkie in. The things on this list happen in my house all the time.

My oldest son washes himself, but hell ive jumped in the tub before to play with bubbles with them. Never saw any harm in it. My wife and i kiss and snuggle all the time, I flirt with women around my kids (and wife) all the time, and we talk about "goobers" all the time. On top of all that, we are nudists.

Thats silly list, where did it come from?

Libertine

06-21-2006, 07:12 PM

I always thought molestation was sticking a pinkie in. The things on this list happen in my house all the time.

My oldest son washes himself, but hell ive jumped in the tub before to play with bubbles with them. Never saw any harm in it. My wife and i kiss and snuggle all the time, I flirt with women around my kids (and wife) all the time, and we talk about "goobers" all the time. On top of all that, we are nudists.

Thats silly list, where did it come from?

That list is more than silly, it's dangerous that people like this are becoming influential behind our laws.

Molestation and sexual abuse used to MEAN something really bad happened to someone. Now, it is ABUSED itself as a term and many people are treated as criminal predators and perverts when that is just not the case. At LEAST 1/3 of all allegations in these cases are UNSUBSTANTIATED. This is scary. And most of them deal with a couple going through a divorce.

Hmmm... hint hint!!

Any parent who uses their children to further their own agenda against the other parent is child abuse, in my opinion.

lietchi

06-21-2006, 07:37 PM

And let's not forget how men are viewed worse too. If a woman helps her 5 year old son wash his "peter" she's being a good mother, if a dad helps his 5 year old daughter wash her "winkie" he is a pervert?

Libertine

06-21-2006, 07:50 PM

It would appear that way. *lol*

I guess I shouldn't change my daughter's diaper, it may violate her sexuality! :rolleyes:

How fucking stupid...

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 07:52 PM

That list is more than silly, it's dangerous that people like this are becoming influential behind our laws.

Molestation and sexual abuse used to MEAN something really bad happened to someone. Now, it is ABUSED itself as a term and many people are treated as criminal predators and perverts when that is just not the case. At LEAST 1/3 of all allegations in these cases are UNSUBSTANTIATED. This is scary. And most of them deal with a couple going through a divorce.

Hmmm... hint hint!!

Any parent who uses their children to further their own agenda against the other parent is child abuse, in my opinion.

I agree. That list is beyond ridiculous. In certain cultures, those things are actually even encouraged so as to rear a child into a healthy being, sexually and otherwise. That list will only encourage psychological hangups in a child.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 08:01 PM

The idiots who came up with that list are the ones who need to be quarantined from children!

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 08:18 PM

I SO agree with you on that.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 08:37 PM

It really puzzles me how we have REGRESSED in society back to quasi-puritan standards and using children as our scapegoat.

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 09:09 PM

I'm still trying to find a solid answer to that one myself.

The thing is, everything in today's society seems to be based around the idea is that children will not understand sexuality until they reach a certain age. I disagree with that. They don't understand only because we don't allow them to, or encourage them to. Children, I believe, are perfectly capable of grasping at least some aspects of sexuality. We don't educate them sufficiently, not just on one but ALL aspects of life, how will they grow up to be well-rounded beings?

Things on the list will only plant shame inside a child's brain because it's ALL about restriction, not acceptance. A child and a parent are restricted from doing this, doing that, while they are never enouraged to accept even a simple expression of human love. Absurd, really.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 09:12 PM

When children don't know what we WANT them to know, we call them "ignorant".

When children don't know what we DON'T WANT them to know, we call them "innocent".

When children do know what we WANT them to know, we call them "normal".

When children do know what we DON'T WANT them to know, we call them "confused".

When children are the victim, they are "incapable" of adult-think.

When children are the perpetrator, we want to "try them as an adult".

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 09:39 PM

Yeah, totally. What a load of ageist BS, is what I think.

Here, I got something to add to that:

When we LET children know what "we" want them to know, we are called "good".

When we DON'T let children know what "we" want them to know, we are called "incompetent".

When we DON'T let children know what "we" DON'T want them to know, we are called "moralistic".

When we LET children know what "we" DON'T want them to know, we are called "disturbed".

I myself wouldn't include myself in the quote-unquote "we" category. That particular category, as far as I'm concerned, represents society. Children deserve the accurate information regarding life. We as adults should concentrate more on trying to get them to understand what they essentially deserve to know, than trying to filter everything and in turn confusing them further. Encouraging ignorance, to me, is far more damaging to children than letting them learn everything they deserve to know in the way that they would understand.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 09:42 PM

We as adults should concentrate more on trying to get them to understand what they essentially deserve to know, than trying to filter everything and in turn confusing them further. Encouraging ignorance, to me, is far more damaging to children than letting them learn everything they deserve to know in the way that they would understand.

Words of fucking wisdom, my man, words of wisdom!

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/533/learys-dead1-9727.jpg

Libertine

06-21-2006, 09:54 PM

ahahaha, i STILL sleep in my parents bed when i get scared:&

:eek:

Well, I have to admit that would be a little odd. ;) ha ha...

But, I hardly think it violates any sexual boundaries!

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 10:06 PM

Words of fucking wisdom, my man, words of wisdom!

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/533/learys-dead1-9727.jpg

Thank you for the compliment. :cool:

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:09 PM

TheWeatherman

06-21-2006, 10:14 PM

don't listen to this "Libertine" asshole. he isn't as intelligant as he wants you all to think

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:18 PM

nah, really, like this one time I seriously freaked my self out after watching white noise, I thought my dead grandpa was gonna come through my t.v. So I went in my parents bed. Seems to help, because if I die, then they do too:D

Anyway, on subject. I agree for the most part, with you and AT. Heh, let me school you guys on kids these days:H When it comes to sex, we really don't give a fuck about our parents. It's just not the first thing that runs through our mind.
But, what does run through my mind AFTER doing something with a guy, is the constant questioning, "am i slut, am i slut, i better not be a slut, i dont think i am, i hope im not, i cant tell anyone about this". And it really would be SO much easier if I could tell someone like my mom about things like that. Atleast then I wouldn't feel like i've done something horrible and dirty.

...I actually still do feel like sometimes i cross the "lines"...But that's the weird part. When I come here, and read this thread, I don't question myself, or what I do.I feel fine, normal, happy even about what I do. When i'm in the real world, it's like a bunch of "dirty" secrets I have to keep to myself.

that's society for ya:rolleyes:

I agree, it the suppression of your desires is not conducive to progress. I mean, holding everything in and being all "hidden" and "forbidden" and shit is just puritan.

You are correct and I believe that talking about it and coming out in the open with things is the best way to go. Problem is...most people don't have open minds publically because they are afraid of others (and society in general).

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:20 PM

oh, but he's hot, and everyone knows hotness comes before intelligence.

Thanks! ha ha...

Don't pay attention to that guy. He just likes to mess with people.

He's really ok, but he's just an ASSHOLE DICKHEAD sometimes. ;)

TheWeatherman

06-21-2006, 10:24 PM

boo hoo. waaaaaaaaa

siriusly fucker, i am outta here!

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:26 PM

Good.

Now, we can get back to regular programming.

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 10:31 PM

You're welcome. It's very difficult to find clear thinkers who aren't socially conditioned at least to a certain point on these topics.

You and heron seem to be more open to clear discussion without all the societal baggage.

I am, after all, an Alternative_Thinker... ;)

See, most people don't understand me because they find it rather difficult to follow the way I think. I HAVE come across a few people who have similar views as I do, though. I'm also partial to rational/selective anarchy, and my being an anti-ageist is a part of the whole package, so to speak.

I still DO have my own set of morals, however. They wouldn't be considered as society-approved because they are just really basic, that's all.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:34 PM

I am, after all, an Alternative_Thinker... ;)

See, most people don't understand me because they find it rather difficult to follow the way I think. I HAVE come across a few people who have similar views as I do, though. I'm also partial to rational/selective anarchy, and my being an anti-ageist is a part of the whole package, so to speak.

I still DO have my own set of morals, however. They wouldn't be considered as society-approved because they are just really basic, that's all.

Frighteningly for many people, you and I share many similarities.

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 10:38 PM

Frighteningly for many people, you and I share many similarities.
I have thought of that before. See, I'm not from the States. Which may also mean, where you might not explore, I just might...or have.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:40 PM

BUT, i'm 15, i'm not aloud to listen to myself. I should be ignoring myself, not explore, not grow, and be a sexless girl until I am of legal age.

Yes, the old societal mantra : "IGNORE rather than EXPLORE". You are too innocent and ignorant to make your own decisions of what to do with your own body. That's some old man's job in the legislative branch of government! :D

Your intelligence shows that you aren't either, but that you are a person who is second-classed as a citizen just because of when you were born.

Infants, toddlers, children are one thing, but 15/16 year olds (although not fully mature) are capable of "just saying no" or "just saying yes" and making their own decisions.

These politicians sure want to put them in jail if they commit a crime like murder. THEN they can be seen as an "adult". :rolleyes:

How hypocritical!

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:47 PM

I've never fucked a minor, except when I was one. I had sex with a 16 year old when I was over 18. But, the legal age of consent in my state is 16. But, it was 14 for a long time. Up until about 10 years ago, I believe.

She pretty well knew what the hell she was doing. Shit, she was more prepared than I was!! Ha ha...

The point is that "SEX" in general scares American society. They don't want you to explore your sexuality, but watching 10,000 violent scenes on TV or the movies is just "part of our culture". Shit...give me a break!

What is worse, seeing a pair of tits or some guy get his fucking head blown off?

Our society is too afraid to make love, so they make war instead.

Libertine

06-21-2006, 10:58 PM

heron

06-21-2006, 11:12 PM

i've never been with anyone under 19 :(

Alternative_Thinker

06-21-2006, 11:24 PM

Very true. Our society promotes such movies as "American Beauty" and "Lolita", Alicia Silverstone and Britney Spears in a catholic school girl outfits and the like, but then make laws harsher and morality stricter against those people who are attracted by them.

It's a true culture war, I suppose. One for progress and the other for the pilgrim days.

Ha ha...

But, I hardly think that lusting after someone 16 is considered "pedophilia". If it is, the majority of the male population is in deep shit. :D

One of my ex-girlfriends was 16 when I first met her. I was 21 then. There was no element of pedophilia whatsoever in our relationship. I just saw her as a beautiful girl with a beautiful personality. We just clicked well. Simple as that. A year prior to that, I was very much attracted to two girls at separate times. One was older than I, and the other 14 years old. Again, there was no element of pedophilia in either situation(well, the former was older than me, so who gives a shit?). I just recognized things in them that I would very much like in a romantic partner. Quite simple.

Oh, here's my favorite story. I was interacting with a group of people in a particular online community, and there was a 13 year-old girl. She wanted people to talk to her, and one of the older guys actually said, "13 year-olds are disgusting". Can you believe that?? And can you believe the fact that it is probably safer to say a 13 year-old is "disgusting" than to say they are "beautiful", when you are an "adult"??

Load. Of. Crap. Seriously, we live in a BIG-assed pile of it.

severedheadstoner

06-22-2006, 02:40 PM

In my opinion, some can't help the attraction to children, just like some can't help attraction to the same sex. That doesn't however give them justifiable reason to act on that attraction, and it's the one's that do that are sick.

The thought of what happens to paedophiles in jail would be enough to keep me from acting on the attraction, if i ever felt it.

severedheadstoner

06-22-2006, 02:46 PM

An for the record, NO guy listens to the law when you're in a heated moment with a sexually mature teen.If she is willing and ready, by all means, so is he.

So much for laws. Unfair generalisation. It may well be true with regards to myself, but you can't make a statement that generalises across half the world's population.

Libertine

06-22-2006, 03:35 PM

Can you believe that?? And can you believe the fact that it is probably safer to say a 13 year-old is "disgusting" than to say they are "beautiful", when you are an "adult"??

Load. Of. Crap. Seriously, we live in a BIG-assed pile of it.

Well, it's like the fact that we can allow extreme violence in the media and that's o.k., but extreme nudity and sex (called porn) is not. I think seeing a penis rubbing between a pair of tits is much more tame than someone getting their legs hacked off with a chainsaw.
:rolleyes:

I mean the shit we see on tv and the glorification of WAR is o.k., but show Janet Jackson's boob and there is chaos!

lietchi

06-22-2006, 04:43 PM

Well, that's why I like my country, a bit more loose where sex is concerned :D Although, after the Dutroux thing, it's paranoia galore where paedophilia is concerned...

I'm not disagreeing with anything said here, but I do feel the need to mention/share how traumatic paedophile experiences can be... I was 11 years old, and went on a school skiing trip... There were fixed times for showering, and then the six girls in my group would have to go to the shower room, get undressed and shower, two girls per shower. My teacher, a 55 year old, stood watching as we undressed, standing right next to the showers, looking at each of us as we passed to enter the showers. It made me EXTREMELY uncomfortable. I tried to cover myself up, pretending to be cold, he laughed at me and told me I shouldn't cover myself up. None of the other girls were bothered. But I could FEEL that there was something wrong, that this guy had "bad thoughts". (I even pretended to be sick once, to avoid having to shower) To this day I have a problem undressing for doctors, in my mind there is a link between a man in a "powerful" position (teacher, doctor, etc) and abuse. And he didn't even touch me! (he was convicted of paedophilia a few years later by the way)

Charise

06-22-2006, 05:21 PM

I mean the shit we see on tv and the glorification of WAR is o.k., but show Janet Jackson's boob and there is chaos!Exactly. And that's really twisted. It seems (at least to me) that it's just the other way around in Europe, where people are more pacifistic and also more open towards sex. Maybe some Europeans could comment on that.

bird_migration

06-22-2006, 05:28 PM

Exactly. And that's really twisted. It seems (at least to me) that it's just the other way around in Europe, where people are more pacifistic and also more open towards sex. Maybe some Europeans could comment on that.Hi, a European here.
From what I heard and read I think Europeans in general are indeed more open towards sex. Although fucking little kids is still frowned upon by some.

lietchi

06-22-2006, 05:43 PM

Although fucking little kids is still frowned upon by some.Some?? You mean the vast majority right? :p Anyway, I live in Belgium and the Dutroux affair left its marks. As we speak two little girls have gone missing (two weeks now already) and we're fearing a repeat...

bird_migration

06-22-2006, 05:46 PM

Some?? You mean the vast majority right? :p Anyway, I live in Belgium in the Dutroux affair left its marks. As we speak two little girls have gone missing (two weeks now already) and we're fearing a repeat...I know about the Liege case and Dutroux, as I live in the Netherlands were we do actually get news from Belgium.
But yeah, frowned upon by a little more than some I suppose.

heron

06-22-2006, 05:47 PM

sex with a child is wrong because the are not sexual yet, there inlies the problem.

Its open and shut. As to a hot and willing 15 year old....thats a sexual animal before you..so...nothing inherantly wrong, but still illegal.

lietchi

06-22-2006, 05:59 PM

I know about the Liege case and Dutroux, as I live in the Netherlands were we do actually get news from Belgium.
I did not know where you were from, and others might not know about this so I thought it was worth mentioning...

Libertine

06-22-2006, 06:39 PM

yehhhh boy. 18 isn't that far away, but in the mean time I promise to put as many legal men into the human zoo as possible.I'm just that nice of a person.

Hey, you stole my sound bite (human zoo)!

I could see how many men would definitely fall into your clutches. Fortunately for me, I am far away from your reach...ha ha... :p

heron

06-22-2006, 06:41 PM

muaha:D

I'd like to believe I am more of a sexual lovah in the middle of a mating ritual surrounded by hot an well hung johnny depp stunt doubles that are just waiting to each devirginize me but only after the king of all pirates gets to first.

yehhhh boy. 18 isn't that far away, but in the mean time I promise to put as many legal men into the human zoo as possible.I'm just that nice of a person.

goddamn!

Libertine

06-22-2006, 09:03 PM

:eek: but i'm young and very impressionalbe, my brain is like a sponge, so of course I would steal your words. Human zoo is now part of my everyday vocabulary, just like fuck, bitches, an hoes.:H

I have no desire to send you to the human zoo. You are safe until I am of legal age. It's alright, no butt sex from coke heads an serial killers for you.

Well, that's a load off. :D

I prefer to keep my hiney intact.

Alternative_Thinker

06-22-2006, 09:56 PM

sex with a child is wrong because the are not sexual yet, there inlies the problem.
If I may...

Children ARE sexual beings. We are all born sexual. One is sexual within one's mother's womb. This has been scientifically proven. In a way, children's sexuality may be the purest form of sexuality. They experience sexual arousal just like adults do. They are fully capable of having orgasms. Such primal instincts are "pre-installed" within our brains during the developmental stages within the womb. As we grow older, so many things get piled on top of each other, sexually and otherwise. Children don't view sex quite the way adults do. However, that is not enough to say they are not sexual, because they are, and they DO experience pleasure just like adults do.

The thing is, because children are inexperienced in the emotional aspect of sexuality, and by that I mean the emotional attachment, longing, pain, and other things that get piled on top of the primal sexual sensations later on, that ADULTS associate with the quote-unquote "sexuality", it is often believed that children are "not sexual". (Ugh.... That was a messy sentence. Pardon moi...) Now, this is where having "sex" with children becomes wrong. It is wrong to expect children to react to sexual situations the same way adults do based on the adult's perspective of "sexuality", because children's sexuality is not as, for the lack of a better word, "corrupt" as the adult's counterpart is.

That is not to say, however, that children should never participate in ANY form of sexual acts, either. Many children are known to play sexual games among themselves. People often say that is not sexuality but is simply their being curious about their bodies in an innocent way. Yes, and no. Yes, because they are naturally curious about pretty much everything. No, because there is an element within such activities that is at least mildly sexually arousing even to children themselves(who are supposedly "non-sexual"). I can always confirm that based on my own childhood, and I'm positive there are others who may relate to this as well.

heron

06-22-2006, 11:18 PM

Im sorry, but if they produce no sperm or release eggs so therefore they are not sexual.

Now, do they have a nervous system? yes, so of course the experience pleasure. The nerves that feel so good when I touch my dick are there when I was born, but that doesnt equate my being sexual at the time.

Their bodies are equipted to be sexual, and of course they rub or touch or whatever they do and it feels good, but that doesnt mean that they are "sexual" in the sense they are supposed to be.

severedheadstoner

06-23-2006, 07:40 AM

generally, there is a point of "no return" when in a heated moment. Maybe you are right, and some guys can completely turn down a naked, wet, and willing girl sucking off your hard on, but from what i've seen, most can not.:D

I think there are guys who will not allow that situation to happen in the first place,. That's very true. But once you've gotten into it,...eh.Not so easy to just, stop.Sorry, my comment wasn't worded very well at all. You're second paragraph sums up what i meant to post the first time around.