The Shadow People

[Eugene]

Ever see em?

[peaceful_kid89]

i heard that you see shadow people after being strung out on meth

[Cosmic Butterfly]

I see them when I am sober sometime. Im not sure if we are talking about the same thing but, its people that are posessed by shadow beings.

There are also shadow beings all around us, and you can see them if you are in the right state of mind.

[Archemetis]

indeed i have....sober though. not sure what to make of them really. i had a theory a few years back that they were just physical manifestations of the collectives fear. but i had an expirience a few months ago that makes me think differently. either way...they shouldnt be feared. after all, fear is the catalyst for insanity imo.

[Archemetis]

its people that are posessed by shadow beings.

a few months back i had an encounter with a man and havent been able to figure out if it were he that was possesed by a shadow being, or if he were some kind of dark tweaker of reality...some sort of skinwalker maybe.
he had more personal power than id expect from a possesed man.

[rg paddler]

I have never seen em - though I'm at work in a hotel as I write this,and this kid kept coming down from his room in a state of nervousness saying he keeps seeing shadowy people in his room.I listened to him for about an hour - he's quite young but it kind of pissed me off after a bit cos I have to do a night-walk around the hotel - it's big and after all his stories of I felt quite freaked out by it.So just for the hell of it I ventured into the darkest supposedly most haunted rooms available and then drank a beer as reward.Couple of months ago I did the same walk but some shadowy random guy stepped out infront of me in the darkness - and that was even scarier cos he was real - but he was arrested.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

There are so many beings in other dimensions that layer through our own. There are ones with good intention and many people call them spirit guides, angels, higher selves, faeries, elves, etc. There also ones with bad intention and we know them as specters, skinwalkers, demons, ghosts, spirits, djinn, etc.
Often some are powerful enough to get a human host and really manipulate them. Most people have some sort of parasite on them that feeds on negative energy. They feed on the person through fear, pain, lust, greed, etc or use the host to create them in other people so it can feed. They most often influence our thoughts and actions subconsciously, and in extreme situations dramatically.
Exorcism is real. Shamanism is real.
Tweakers probably see them alot because they are spiritually on a lower, and negative plane. The shadow people are attracted to these people like flies are drawn to a dying animal. Easy target with little resistence of energetic protection.

[Eugene]

I never seen 'em, tried some crystal one time (NEVER AGAIN) and after 2 days i could hear 'em, they're pretty scary.
My tweeker buddy stayed up for eight days one time, and by day five was having long, nonsensical conversations with someone who wasn't there, identified only as 'the guy'. Then he freaked out and identified himself as 'bob', bob is mean, really mean.

[StonerBill]

ive had shadow people when very stoned, mostly back in teh day. also after stayin up on speed, theyre the perception of intentive movement within the shadows, which is interpreted at the time as a person (though i have them of my cat when around my house because im used to seeing the cat exert intentive movement)

[Mr.Mush]

i saw some shadowed figures o shroom running aorund in cirlces under this BIG tree, it was about 80 ft. away (aorund 8pm october), and all i could see were shadows. Could it be them? WhO KnoWs

[dayzeeeeeeee]

ive seen shadow people.. i see them when im sober but i see them heaps on the cum down of ecstasy but only if im alone.. i duno, it freaks me out

[nudeinthesand]

on my last psychedelic trip.....i remember seen two human figures...dont remember how they look like...all i know is that one was a male and the other a female.....and both of them kept telling me to go to this place.......???

[trippedelia]

did you go

[Dope_Hat]

Hm, this is interesting. At first I didn't know what the people in this thread were talking about, but now that I think about it I HAVE seen shadow people. It was before I ever did drugs, I think I was around 12. I was sitting on my couch then down the (brightly lit) hall I saw a tall shadow figure walking down the hall towards the room I was in out of the corner of my eye. It really freaked me out. I suffer from sever chronic depression which kinda've makes sense why I'd see a shadow person if they truly are drawn to negative energies.

There was another time I had a dream of a male and female shadowy figure standing at the edge of a cliff. I woke up to all the lights on in the house and the sound of my screaming echoing throughout.

Are these shadow people usually seen out of the corner of the eye or can you actually look at them full on?

[Posthumous]

There are so many beings in other dimensions that layer through our own. There are ones with good intention and many people call them spirit guides, angels, higher selves, faeries, elves, etc. There also ones with bad intention and we know them as specters, skinwalkers, demons, ghosts, spirits, djinn, etc.
Often some are powerful enough to get a human host and really manipulate them. Most people have some sort of parasite on them that feeds on negative energy. They feed on the person through fear, pain, lust, greed, etc or use the host to create them in other people so it can feed. They most often influence our thoughts and actions subconsciously, and in extreme situations dramatically.
Exorcism is real. Shamanism is real.
Tweakers probably see them alot because they are spiritually on a lower, and negative plane. The shadow people are attracted to these people like flies are drawn to a dying animal. Easy target with little resistence of energetic protection.
I think this is all true but I don't have first hand experience. I did have a friend who trolled heavily (cid and mdma while I was only on cid) and supposedly talked to these spirits directly which were/are dead people. Many of them are bad and pissed off because they had a bad life and want the same for you. Some are frightened beings that had horrible deaths. Some are benevolent entities that can be a spirit guide if you are deemed worthy.

BTW XTC damages serotonin receptors so I don't recommend it or trolling.

[grandbaby]

the shadow people
do not exist. Pajama
people sure do, though.

[trippedelia]

i wont be able to sleep for days knowing about pajama people

[Honeybee36]

Specifically intended for accounts on these apparitions only, no ghosts, no bugaloos, no Jasons or Freddie's, just "Shadow People".

I wanted to invite you all to stop in and submit your own stories ('Shadow-Being' stories that is), and while you are there check out 'the Cabin In the Woods'. This one really gave me the whillies!!!!

http://home.comcast/~twilightmist/Shadow-Beings.html (http://home.comcast/%7Etwilightmist/Shadow-Beings.html)

The book 'Psychic Limbo' is now on Amazon with a search inside feature, and is most reasonably priced at BarnesandNobles online. The book is in no way fictionalized, (and speaks of many different things). Beginning with my own account, having specific chapters devoted to these "Shadow-Beings". Any contributions to the site will be greatly appreciated!

So, if you have any true tales to add, please do not hold back. thanx

[Honeybee36]

*Sorry about that.* I meant to add in the last post, you may have to copy and paste this, when I previewed it 'Firefox' would not re-direct me, so I dunno. I recommend copying the url and then pasting in a new window.

L8ter guys!

http://home.comcast.net/~twilightmist/Shadow-Beings.html (http://home.comcastnet/%7Etwilightmist/Shadow-Beings.html)

[Honeybee36]

The site is acting as if it is "bugged", and when I preview it is not the same as below, but use the last url and then add a period between twilight and mist. That should do it. Geez, why is this page giving me such trouble?!! HNYB

[Cosmic Butterfly]

I had an odd exerperience on LSD once. I was staring up at the stars trying to get a "transmission" :)...but I kept getting distracted because I really felt like there was this big for legged shadow thing racing around me in circles, quickly spiraling closer and closer to me. Im getting chills writing this.... I could it hear it panting. Like a werewolf or something. I definately felt its prescence.

So I had to stop and clear the space....

[Chodpa]

Never seen them or rakshashas, or demons or anything of the sort. Just bad humans.

[VespertineRising]

Iv seen shadow people since i was very little. Id see them everywhere, during the day and especially at night but just for a slight second only long enough to see their black bodies zoom through. My mother always said those were just bad spirits and to just pray and they would go away, but thats only what she told me because i was young.
In my later years i did some digging in my families past and found out my great grandmother was a spiritist who would conjure and command them. A dark secret indeed i know. Well one morning after coming down from a roll i felt really weakend and in a state of limbo with my mind. I layed in bed with just a think blanket covering me. i remember the sensation of freezing cold hands on my back and i quickly looked up and remember seeing something moving extremely fast in my wallmirror which spanned the wall btw, so it looked very proportionate to that of a human.
I felt the same cold touch on my hands, somewhat guiding my hands in the shape of letters. After asking some questions i finally asked for a name. That name will forever be etched in my mind now.

I highly suggest never trying to communicate with these shadow people if you have a fear of anything other worldly or supernatural because you could be opening doors to your mind that you do not want open.

[ghost.d0wn]

Iv seen shadow people since i was very little. Id see them everywhere, during the day and especially at night but just for a slight second only long enough to see their black bodies zoom through. My mother always said those were just bad spirits and to just pray and they would go away, but thats only what she told me because i was young.
In my later years i did some digging in my families past and found out my great grandmother was a spiritist who would conjure and command them. A dark secret indeed i know. Well one morning after coming down from a roll i felt really weakend and in a state of limbo with my mind. I layed in bed with just a think blanket covering me. i remember the sensation of freezing cold hands on my back and i quickly looked up and remember seeing something moving extremely fast in my wallmirror which spanned the wall btw, so it looked very proportionate to that of a human.
I felt the same cold touch on my hands, somewhat guiding my hands in the shape of letters. After asking some questions i finally asked for a name. That name will forever be etched in my mind now.

I highly suggest never trying to communicate with these shadow people if you have a fear of anything other worldly or supernatural because you could be opening doors to your mind that you do not want open.That shit fucking freaks me the hell out. Are these shadow people real? What was the shadow person's name??

[trippedelia]

one time in my bed while real stoned i started seeing a bunch of them all over me like on top of me and stuff and i was getting damn fucking scared so i started singing "i can see clearly now" and getting happier and no longer could i see them, but i mean that is very probably a stoned as fuck kid in his dark room thinking hes having some encounters.

[StonerBill]

jees its funny seeing how so many ppl interpret these spiritually. perhaps shadow people are the inspiration for heaps of ghost stories?

at any rate, shadow people exist. in your mind. no where else. theyre seen in the peripheral vision because the mind has less details in peripheral, instead has to piece together signals from the imagination to interpret moving stimuli.

peripheral vision, according to wiki, contains many rods and few cones. rods are used to detect brightness/darkness - essentially for detecting movement. overreaction of a detection of movement can lead to the mind thinking it was caused by another human, or animal.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

jees its funny seeing how so many ppl interpret these spiritually. perhaps shadow people are the inspiration for heaps of ghost stories?

at any rate, shadow people exist. in your mind. no where else. theyre seen in the peripheral vision because the mind has less details in peripheral, instead has to piece together signals from the imagination to interpret moving stimuli.

peripheral vision, according to wiki, contains many rods and few cones. rods are used to detect brightness/darkness - essentially for detecting movement. overreaction of a detection of movement can lead to the mind thinking it was caused by another human, or animal.
I think its more than just peripheral vision picking up shadows....Science cannot explain everything in the known universe because we do not even know it completely. Science is constantly evolving, and one day it will truly recognize various realities that individual/multiple minds have created to be VALID.
Infinite possibility, and limited possibility. Whatever you choose to acknowledge/create.


I think this thread is trying to dig deeper than just weird hallucinations, but a type of energy that you feel in that situation. It definately feels real to me. I can tell the difference between what you described, and parasites feeding off certain people, especially when I do energy healing work....

I have even seen a shaman pull a giant writhing shadowy maggot out of a girls neck! Then the shaman proceeded to cough, and gag.

[Tiocfaidh ár Lá]

i don't think i have seen shadow people...well i had an "imaginary friend"(he was real i could see and touch him...) who told me to call him the shadow man but other then that no. i do see and talk to spirits all the time and always have as far as I can remember if that counts even though they are different

[flameintoabyss]

the shadow people had a wedding once in my friends living room
**dxm

[jean_genie]

id never really considered this concept before, but it seems that so many people here can relate to it, including me. i think that science offers an explanation, but its also something supernatural (i hate that word) as well.

i can kinda relate to all this, but ive always dismissed what i now think could be something similar to this as just my mind playing tricks on me

very interesting subject this one

[TopNotchStoner]

I may be way too stoned for this thread:eek:

I saw all kinds of shadow people when I took 775mg of diphenhydramine. Every tiny bit of movement in your peripheral vision was transformed into a live being. Whether it be solid or electrical or shadowy, it moved and was alive and existed, even in my direct sight, for minutes on end and I could watch them and interact with them. I also saw my teddy bear stand up and walk across my shelf.

I have had contact with the shadow folk other times too; both sober and fukt up, but nothing like the DPH HCl.

[trailerparkboy]

^want to expand on the times you have had contact with the shadow people sober, topnotch?

[TopNotchStoner]

^want to expand on the times you have had contact with the shadow people sober, topnotch?
Maybe.......

I have 100mg of 2c-E on it's way in the mail, so maybe I will make a few new "shadow friends" when I recieve my order.

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

shadow people are often seen by people after a long time bingin on psychedelic drugs. ket addicts are often well assosciated with shadow people and iv heard of a few meth addicts having the same problems . and from what i heard its a very scary exeperience. often its just like a paranormal exeperience without the aide ( or lack of ) drugs. iv almost shit miself readin some trip reports with shadow people really dont wana see none lol. im no expert but this is what iv heard nd it may be of some use. xxx

[Demonslayer]

I had this thing sitting on my chest and trying to strangle me while breathing like a pervert in my face. It was invisible but I could feel it's form and size with my hands, it was ice cold, 70 cm high and about as heavy as a small dog. I was sober and wide awake too, though I had smoked the day before. Never seen him since, but my stepson saw him some months afterwards when he was four years old, even though I had never told anyone about my experience yet. The poor boy refused to go into his bedroom for over a month.
Shadow people exist but you can choose to ignore them and they will dissapear. It seems to me like they feed off peoples fears and weaknesses. The way I got rid of him was just to ignore him and go to sleep (kinda figured that I could'nt run from it).

Sometimes while on shrooms I hear little people whispering in the corner of my room (I tell them to shut the fuck up and leave me alone, then they go away), but apart from that I never have auditory hallucinations on drugs.


http://home.no.net/combat/images/demonshadow1.jpg

[Neuronaut7]

I had an idea what you all were talking about, and I have indeed sensed something akin to what most of you have described. When I was younger, I used to percieve a form leaning into my bedroom, as if to check on my brother and I, who I believe to be the presence of my mother's great aunt, who apparently has that reputation in our family of being universally benevolent, and who is my sister's namesake (distinct spelling of the name Kerin, her maiden name).

However, being interested in the subject I looked it up on various sites, and I've come to this conclusion - the fact that this phenomena has been repeated in the lab using electrical stimulation of the brain points to it being a brain-triggered event, not anything actually "real." I don't mean to imply that it can't happen outside the lab, because obviously it does...what I mean is that somehow your brain would occasionally produce the right kind of current, given certain sets and settings, in the right place in your brain, thus causing you to percieve any variation of the idea of shadow people.

[Demonslayer]

All the things you see around you a really just in your head and many visionary, auditory, tactile, smell and taste sensations can be produced by stimulating certain areas of the brain. Even mood and personality can be changed by fiddeling with the brain. You do not experience the world around you directly, you get electrical signals from your sense organs and your brain interprets them. Everything you see is just in your head, but that dosn't make it any less real for you does it? So does electrical stimulation of the brain points produce shadow people or does it just make you able to see them?
Why do some people see things others don't? Is it because there is something wrong with their brains? Are mad people really mad or are they just being overloaded with information that we normal people filter out?

Is any state of consiousness really false, and how can you prove that? Some states of consiousness are not conductive to normal functioning in the physical world. You wouldn't want to see fractals on every surface or hear voices from people that aren't there on a daily basis would you, that would make life very difficult. When I trip on shrooms I know that my brain is just interpreting electrical signals from my senses in a different way than normal. If this happens when you have not taken drugs and there is no other medical reason that you should be experiencing this, then how do you know that what you are seeing is not real?

[Neuronaut7]

You are contradicting yourself - first, you say that there's a possibility that shadow people are real (does electrical stimulation produce shadow people or does it just make you able to see them) and then you say that a trip is just your brain firing electrical signals in a weird way....so which is it? If you can hallucinate at all, why can you not hallucinate shadow people?

Why do some people get mad at different things, and why does something not piss everyone off?

You should look up the definition of "conscious" and then ask yourself if what you asked is a legitimate question. To save you time, and cuz I don't want to get all involved in it, basically consciousness is being self aware and aware of your environment, so basically, yes, there are false states of consciousness. Once again, you have contradicted yourself and didn't know it, because right after you ask if any state of consciousness is really false, and how could you prove it, you say that there are states that are not conducive to functioning, yet definitionally that's what consciousness is.

And no, all the things I see around me are not just in my head; assuming that the world is not some Matrix-style simulation, these objects actually exist, whether or not I am here to percieve them. For example - I was never in this dorm room before, yet it existed before I got here. It did not suddenly pop into existence when I moved in. And yes, you do experience the world around you directly - we are not watching through video screens. What you describe is a direct observation, what else would it be? The reason I say it's not indirect is because even though sensations have to be carried from the spot they originated to the brain to be interpreted, this happens in a matter of small fractions of a second, thus they are essentially instantaneous.

[Demonslayer]

You are assuming that everything around you is real and not a Matrix-style simulation, that is why you assume that there is a real world outside your consiousness. Such an assumtion can not be proven. You say that consiousness is being aware of your enviorment, but you don't really know what your enviorment is (you can't prove it), so how can you say that being aware of a different enviorment than usual is a false state of consiousness?

I am not contradicting myself as I would not be contradicting myself if I said that matter is both particles and waves. Things can be seen from two seemingly contradictory (and mutually exclusive) positions without either being a false veiw.
Consiousness is not defined as a state that is conductive to functioning, consiousness is awareness, nothing more and nothing less.

If you say that things really exist you are assuming an objective physical reality that as I stated can not be proven. It is just as possible that things are not there when you cease to be consious of them. You don't know for sure if that dorm room existed before you got there because knowing that would mean that you are directly consious of it at the time.

We do not experience the world directly, you experience the world through your senses which sends electrical signals to your brain, it is up to your brain to interpret these signals. There are no images being transmitted from your eyes to your brain, no noises and no smells, they are just electrical signals. Your brain decides how to interpret these signals and what parts of the signals should be filtered out before they reach our consious mind. If you were aware of all the sights and sounds that your senses picked up, you would be overwelmed with information that for the most part is irrelevant or unimportant to normal functioning. Bypassing that filter may well be what happens when you trip, thereby allowing you to percieve things that are otherwise filtered out. It is not uncommon to hear and see small details while tripping that you otherwise would be unaware of, this gives your consious mind a different set of information to process and will therefor influence your perception of reality.
So how you experience the world is really all in your head. Since you can not be certain that there is anything outside your consiousness (since you do not experience it directly), even the theory of signals coming from your senses describing a real physical world, may be just your imagination. Consiousness has not been proven to be linked to a physical brain, hell you can't even prove that there is consiousness on an objective level. The only proof that you are consious is your own experience of it.

[flameintoabyss]

whenever i think aobut shadow people while shrooming or just baked, these thoughts rush into my head and it feels like these shadow beings are invading my mind.. and they are sorta comic book style and remind me of the aliens from south park..
when it gets really intense it freaks me the fuck out

[Neuronaut7]

I would agree that what you experience is simply "all in your head" and you're right, I cannot prove that there is a physical world around me, but in the same vein, neither can you prove that there isn't. I'm not saying that you're saying we live in a Matrix-style world, I'm just stating that we're in a "God exists/God doesn't exist" style debate.

I would disagree though that we're not experiencing the world directly, that because electrical signals inform my brain of sensations I'm feeling and that the brain then interprets these signals, that is somehow indirect. I say that is direct. Indirect would be like asing someone if it's cold outside as opposed to going outside and feeling whether or not it's cold.

If being conscious simply means "being aware" by your definition sleeping could be consciousness, as sometimes you are aware that you are dreaming. Even if you're not aware that it is a dream, you still experience the dream (whether or not you remember the dream) and thus are still conscious. But one would say that you're not conscious, because if they asked you a question you would not respond unless you were woken up, and even then you might respond with a nonsensical answer. But you are still "aware" of something, anything, so you are conscious. I actually kind of like that, seeming contradiction in definition.

Since you cannot prove that there is no physical world , and since I cannot prove that there isn't(Pv~P....one must either be negated to prove the other), I suggest we simply go on believing what we do about the world, since whether or not there is a physical world, we still have to go through life, get a job etc.

But if there is no physical world, then shadow people also do not exist and are all in our mind, manifestations of electrical signals in our brains that produce sensations that we percieve. This reminds me of the personal identity (existence of a soul) argument, in which there seems to be an infinite number of ways to argue for the falseness or truth of either argument, with no apparent way to prove for certain which is the truth.

[Ironcore]

I have once seen what some of you have described while toking near a haunted house. I posted about it previously so I will just copy that here.

Late one night I was smoking a sesh with some buddies in a car at the end of the driveway of and old mansion near the university here. We knew about other ghost stories about the house so we drove by it just before we parked and as we went past, I yelled "CUNT!" out the car window towards the house (directed at the dead previous owner's ghost). I did not really believe in ghosts then so I did just to see if something would happen...

Well it did, about 15 minutes later, I could see a very dark shadowy figure moving down the driveway towards us as if it were dodging through the areas of the driveway that were lit up by the street lights. It was very vivid, like matter made of an absence of light taking an abstract human form. After I saw the figure a third time I exclaimed that something was approaching the car from the house. At that moment myself and a friend in the back seat were overcome by a stench so terrible I am sure my lungs will never be filled with something so awful again in my life. It was like a concoction of rotting meats and carried a sensation of intense burning in my lungs. The driver could not smell the stench, but the person in the back immediately described it as the smell of death. Immediately after that, the driver and I saw the shadow figure swoop down the driveway across the front of the car towards the driver door. We got the fuck out of there in a hurry.

I later apologised to the house and the spirit, I won't be disrespecting the dead again nor will I doubt their existence. This was not in peripheral vision, I watched that being move down the road towards me, seeing it at least 4 separate times in maybe 3 minutes.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

All we perceive on the outside of us is actually taking place on the inside. Who and what we think are is nothing but a splash of chemicals, sugars, and electricity.

[Ironcore]

Escaflowne was a sweet anime. Is your avatar one of those evil cat twins Cosmic Butterfly or is that from another anime?

[windcriesmary]

i saw them on mushrooms in the corner of my eye when the music hit a disonance

[thrice989]

I used to tweak with speed and after a day or two of staying up (sleep depervation) kicks you're ass then ive seen wavey shadows and shadows in the shape of people apearing to move.. but never convo's or anything really skitzo.. KWIS niggaa

[FLstoner214]

ive seen them many times sober and ive never tripped normally i just look and they go away and i laugh at it