The Dirty Methods Of Evolutionists - FOSSIL FORGERY

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[catstevens]

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I've just found the following Article? any comments ? maybe it is old to you, I don't know? myself, I have never known or heard about it?


Piltdown Man
APE JAW ON A HUMAN SKULL

When evolutionists were unable to find even a single fossil to verify their theory, they took recourse to fraud. The "Piltdown Man" fossil, which was produced by mounting a human skull onto an orangutan jaw and deceived the world of science for 40 years, was the most notorious of these frauds. In 1912, Charles Dawson, an amateur paleontologist, came forth with the claim that he found a jawbone and a cranial fragment in a pit near Piltdown, England. Although the jawbone resembled to an ape’s, the teeth and the skull were human-like.

These specimens were called the "Piltdown Man" and were alleged to be 500 thousand years old. The reconstructions of Piltdown Man were made and they were displayed as conclusive evidence of human evolution in various museums. For more than 40 years, many scientific articles were written, and many interpretations and drawings were made about the Piltdown Man. It was only in 1953 when the fossil was understood to be a forgery as a result of detailed examinations performed on it. The skull belonged to a 500-year-old man, and the jawbone to a recently dead ape. The teeth were thereafter added in order to make the skull resemble to that of a man, and the joints were filed. Then all the pieces were stained with potassium dichromate to make them look old.

Is this true? I really don't know; just want to add it to my Archive if it is true?

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[daisymae]

I am sure that some jerks try to get away with forgery just to see if they can. They want to be famous, not scientists.

It is the same as the "Fiji Mermaid" hoax, where a monkey torso was sewn to a fish tail.
http://www.empiremuseum.com/images/fijicard.jpg

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/piltdown.html

[brothwood]

You cannot dismiss a theory because of a few scientists trying to hoax the public and the scientific community.

would you be happy, if a religious artifact was found- such as an item belonging to Muhammed, then proved to be a hoax.. so people all dismissed Islam completely?

the evolution question is still theory but it seems a lot of evidence has and continues to be found, such as today http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4879672.stm

it is a theory, but i will not just dismiss it because of a hoax, and i will not believe it completely becaues it is a theory like everything, keep your mind open

peace, love and sunflowers

[catstevens]

daisymae
I am sure that some jerks try to get away with forgery just to see if they can. They want to be famous, not scientists.
It is the same as the "Fiji Mermaid" hoax, where a monkey torso was sewn to a fish tail.
http://www.empiremuseum.com/images/fijicard.jpg
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/piltdown.htmlThank you very much, I read the entire Article in that link, Thank you again =) The Article which I found didn't mention any sources or more information as this Article (in the link), that's why I wanted to be sure, Thanks =) It will be added to my Archive :)
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[catstevens]

brothwood
You cannot dismiss a theory because of a few scientists trying to hoax the public and the scientific community.
Did I do so? if you are talking to me.
would you be happy, if a religious artifact was found- such as an item belonging to Muhammed, then proved to be a hoax.. so people all dismissed Islam completely?
Of course Muslims do NOT need a religious artifact such as an item belongs to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to believe in Islam :D , I know you are giving an example =) ask yourself: will you write such a response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!


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[Occam]

Fossil evidence is related to life on this planet. and the evolutionary theory to explain it.

This does not apply to the evolutionary theory of stars and galaxies. Which cannot be faked by humanity.
Stellar evolution is all about raw deterministic mater and such mater is open and totally
indifferent to our desire for it to be anything but what it is.
Logic, mathematics and observationa ALL fit in saying the observed universe is between ~10 and 14 billion years in age.. And that every atom in our bodies but hydrogen was assembled inside a 1st or 2nd generation star.
[no mater was created. Neutrons,protons and electrons were re-arranged
into more complex atoms.]
Sol is a 3rd generation star. About 4.5 billion years in age. With another 4.5 to go before it swells into a red giant.

Occam

[cerridwen]

that fiji mermaid thing is pretty cool...

[catstevens]

that fiji mermaid thing is pretty cool...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_29_132.gif
You are joking? right? pretty cool in respect of what? hahaha
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[Libertine]

Fossil evidence is related to life on this planet. and the evolutionary theory to explain it.

This does not apply to the evolutionary theory of stars and galaxies. Which cannot be faked by humanity.
Stellar evolution is all about raw deterministic mater and such mater is open and totally
indifferent to our desire for it to be anything but what it is.
Logic, mathematics and observationa ALL fit in saying the observed universe is between ~10 and 14 billion years in age.. And that every atom in our bodies but hydrogen was assembled inside a 1st or 2nd generation star.
[no mater was created. Neutrons,protons and electrons were re-arranged
into more complex atoms.]
Sol is a 3rd generation star. About 4.5 billion years in age. With another 4.5 to go before it swells into a red giant.

Occam

Good post, Occam. Too bad it was ignored in favor of a mer-human.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

Evolution is REAL. God created evolution. That is how advanced and intelligent is GOD. Doesnt that make sense?

How can anyone claim the earth is only 6000 years old. Look around you there is proof everywhere. 7,000 year old native american bodies have been found in bogs in Florida. This is undeniable.
I was wandering around the forest up here in northern arizona, and I find fossils of coral, and shells from when there was in SEA in arizona. I also find double terminated crystals that over millions of years old.

[Libertine]

Define "God", please. And what exactly leads you to believe in such an entity?

[catstevens]

Cosmic Butterfly
Evolution is REAL. God created evolution. That is how advanced and intelligent is GOD. Doesnt that make sense?
Do you believe in God? I wish so...
How can anyone claim the earth is only 6000 years old. Look around you there is proof everywhere.
who said so, sister? BTW: This thread isn't about what you are talking about, I wrote;
I've just found the following Article? any comments ? maybe it is old to you, I don't know? myself, I have never known or heard about it? Is this true? I really don't know; just want to add it to my Archive if it is true?
I was talking about a particular article
7,000 year old native american bodies have been found in bogs in Florida. This is undeniable.
can they prove that it is 7,000 year old maybe 9,000 year old!
I was wandering around the forest up here in northern arizona, and I find fossils of coral, and shells from when there was in SEA in arizona. I also find double terminated crystals that over millions of years old.
How did you know that?

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[Cosmic Butterfly]

Because it takes alot of extreme, and powerful conditions to create crystals. These crystals are formed deep deep down in the earth. Now these crystals are often badly damaged, and are at the surface revealed in the rain. There hasnt been any active volcanoes in AZ for a loooooooooong time.

Radiocarbon dating, common sense, and history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dating

BTW Cat, I do believe in God and you questioning my beliefs was dumb. I believe in GOD that is beyond anything you and I can fathom. I honor and love God. I also believe this God created the entire universe, and the infinite dimensions. This God also created evolution without even putting much thought into it. God is so amazing. :)

[Cosmic Butterfly]

You have to be blind to not see evolution. Its happening right now. Look at you, sitting in front of computer screen almost telephatically communicating with people all over the world. Information is being transfered almost at the speed of light. All this information at your fingertips. The human being is evovling right now. Not to long ago we fought with spears, and stones, and now we have nuclear bombs able to fly out of the ocean, and destroy an entire country from the other side of the world.

[Occam]

Good post, Occam. Too bad it was ignored in favor of a mer-human.
Libertine

Ah wel, certain humans are always more interested in what they want to be true.
Rather than trying to understand what actually is.

Occam

[catstevens]

Cosmic Butterfly
Because it takes alot of extreme, and powerful conditions to create crystals. These crystals are formed deep deep down in the earth. Now these crystals are often badly damaged, and are at the surface revealed in the rain. There hasnt been any active volcanoes in AZ for a loooooooooong time.
Still theories or assumptions, over millions of years old maybe 1 million year old http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif we don't know what happened at the time.
BTW Cat, I do believe in God and you questioning my beliefs was dumb.
I don't think so, because I am not God, I am not All-knowing,I even don't know you? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
I believe in GOD that is beyond anything you and I can fathom. I honor and love God. I also believe this God created the entire universe, and the infinite dimensions. This God also created evolution without even putting much thought into it. God is so amazing. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
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[catstevens]

Cosmic Butterfly
You have to be blind to not see evolution. Its happening right now. Look at you, sitting in front of computer screen almost telephatically communicating with people all over the world. Information is being transfered almost at the speed of light. All this information at your fingertips. The human being is evovling right now. Not to long ago we fought with spears, and stones, and now we have nuclear bombs able to fly out of the ocean, and destroy an entire country from the other side of the world.
I don't believe in the evolution of the Ape to a mankind
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[catstevens]

Ah wel, certain humans are always more interested in what they want to be true. Rather than trying to understand what actually is.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon14.gif very true
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[Occam]

Cosmic Butterfly
I don't believe in the evolution of the Ape to a mankind Cat

why not.?
U are an ape..As is occam.
U have something against apes.?
Too hairy
too low browed..
Apes are FAR more integrated with nature than man
And have been classified as intelligent species, just as man is.

Chimps and golillas are our brothers..Yet YOU wont admit any ancestry.
Occam would rather have a chimp as a friend than any such as u

BIGOT.

[catstevens]

Occam
Cat why not.?
I believe Allah, I don't believe Darwin, Allah gave logic proofs, not theories =)
U are an ape..As is occam.
It is up to you dear Occam =) I am not, I am such a handsom rational human being http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
U have something against apes.?
Nope =)
Too hairy
too low browed..
Apes are FAR more integrated with nature than man
And have been classified as intelligent species, just as man is.

Allah told us that he turned some people to Monkeys as a punishment,
Quraan: So when they exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected. Is it metaphor!:confused: I don't think so.

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[campbell34]

Because it takes alot of extreme, and powerful conditions to create crystals. These crystals are formed deep deep down in the earth. Now these crystals are often badly damaged, and are at the surface revealed in the rain. There hasnt been any active volcanoes in AZ for a loooooooooong time.

Radiocarbon dating, common sense, and history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dating

BTW Cat, I do believe in God and you questioning my beliefs was dumb. I believe in GOD that is beyond anything you and I can fathom. I honor and love God. I also believe this God created the entire universe, and the infinite dimensions. This God also created evolution without even putting much thought into it. God is so amazing. :)
They use to tell us it took millions of years to make dimonds, now we make industrial dimonds, and it doesen't take millions of years. You will find, they will tell you a lot of things. Evolutionist use to tell us that soft tissue could only last 10,000 years, yet when they found soft tissue in dinosaur bones which disproved the theory of evolution, now those same evolutionist will tell you soft tissue can remain soft for seventy million years. What ever refutes their Theory of Evolution, they will change.

[catstevens]

WOW, campbell here, I am so happy =)
They use to tell us it took millions of years to make dimonds, now we make industrial dimonds,and it doesen't take millions of years.
I wrote:
Still theories or assumptions, over millions of years old maybe 1 million year old http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif we don't know what happened at the time for particular objects or items. yeah, maybe there was a fire in the forest and it hastened creating crystals in 1 million year instead of millions of years! Not all of them were in the same conditions and situations. theories theories theories assumptions assumptions assumptions
You will find, they will tell you a lot of things. Evolutionist use to tell us that soft tissue could only last 10,000 years, yet when they found soft tissue in dinosaur bones which disproved the theory of evolution, now those same evolutionist will tell you soft tissue can remain soft for seventy million years. What ever refutes their Theory of Evolution, they will change.
=)
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I love yo campbell ^^
Pray for me *always*
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[Iconoclast]

can they prove that it is 7,000 year old maybe 9,000 year old!Yes. They can prove that well beyond any doubt except the most irrational.

[catstevens]

Iconoclast
Yes. They can prove that well beyond any doubt except the most irrational.They change their mind many times, and some times they say it is about 500 years old, I wish they can prove it =)
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[Gh0sTiNnyc]

its about the moo-la... if you had grants to hand out and dig up bones... and had no other skills... then you too might do the same...

hail satan!

[catstevens]

Praise and Glory be to God :)
hail believers
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[Occam]

Quraan: So when they exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected. Is it metaphor!:confused: I don't think so.

Cat

That is just sick..you call yourself an enlightened being yet you say a true creature of nature should be 'despised and rejected'.
That we humans are 'better' than they. By what law do we make such a claim.. our own of course. For no god worth spit would make such an bigoted and irrational statement.

Occam is but a mere human being. Yet he knows that no being that made
life would purposfully inject 'despise' and 'reject' into phyla of his own creation.

Your religion. like christianity.. is quaint and full of worthy fable.
Dont ever mistake it for reality

Occam

[catstevens]

Dear Occam =)

Cat

That is just sick..you call yourself an enlightened being yet you say a true creature of nature should be 'despised and rejected'.

Did I? I really don't remember, However, I believe; there is No creature of nature, there are creatures of Allah (God)

That we humans are 'better' than they

They ==> monkeys! if so, yes we are!

By what law do we make such a claim..our own of course.

By the one who created us , them and everything, the inventor of the computer and laptop can tell us which one is better than the other one, because he invented it and he knows, it is the same to Allah the creator,

Quraan:

And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibat (lawful good things), and have preferred them greatly over many of those We created.

Occam is but a mere human being. Yet he knows that no being that made life would purposfully inject 'despise' and 'reject' into phyla of his own creation.

My ancestors weren't monkeys.

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php (http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php)

Your religion. like christianity.. is quaint and full of worthy fable.

You didn't read Quraan do you? I don't know, However, I invite you to read Allah's message (Book-Quraan) to You and Me and all mankind, here are some Good links about Quraan =)

http://www.harunyahya.com/ (http://www.harunyahya.com/)

http://www.elnaggarzr.com/Test_fre/English/index_E.asp (http://www.elnaggarzr.com/Test_fre/English/index_E.asp)

http://www.55a.net/firas/english/ (http://www.55a.net/firas/english/)

http://www.theinimitablequran.com/ (http://www.theinimitablequran.com/)

http://www.science4islam.com/ (http://www.science4islam.com/)

http://www.one-pen.com/articles.php?cat_id=14 (http://www.one-pen.com/articles.php?cat_id=14)

http://www.islamonline.net/English/Quran/index.shtml (http://www.islamonline.net/English/Quran/index.shtml)

To read Quraan:

http://transliteration.org/quran/home.htm (http://transliteration.org/quran/home.htm)

http://www.mit-pak.info/ (http://www.mit-pak.info/)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/transliteration/ (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/transliteration/)

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ar.../Ayat/1/1_1.htm (http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/1/1_1.htm)

To listen to Quraan:

Al Kahf (http://alsaher.com/islam/quran/alkahf.rm)

http://www.muslimtents.com/muslimguide/8-Qur'an.html (http://www.muslimtents.com/muslimguide/8-Qur'an.html)

Al Rahman (http://alsaher.com/islam/quran/alrahman.rm)(Chapter :The Most Beneficent)

Alhaqa (http://alsaher.com/islam/quran/alhaqa.rm)

Click here (http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=islam&zu=http%3A%2F%2Falsaher.com%2Fislam%2Fshatri.htm)

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[Occam]

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Cat

It is U that is off topic.
Religious beliefs go in the religious beliefs tray.
Not the agnostic tray.

Cant you read?

Agnostics hold ALL religion as equal.
That is.. they all equally rely on "i want it to be true..so it is"
As a basis for verification and arguement.

Occam

PS. A muslim is no more or less to occam than a christian, zoroastrian , taoist or hindu. Should occam hold muslims in awe cause CNN told us u were a threat.?
hahahahahahahahaha
Grow up laddie.

[catstevens]

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