Most Dangerous Drug

[Cosmic Butterfly]

What do you think is the most dangerous drug out there?
If is other please share your opinion.

Thanks.

[polymer]

fentanyl analogs, PMA (p-methoxyamphetamine)

the intermediates PCC (from pcp synthesis) and MPTP (from meperidine synthesis).

fentanyl and its analogs are extremely potent, it's easy to kill yourself from an od. 150 mg paramethoxyamphetamine is like taking nardil with a couple grams of tyramine; heart failure may occurt, after getting a fever of 106+ (at that temp, actual brain damage begins to occur)
PCC is an extremely toxic byproduct from incomplete PCP synthesis; nosebleeds and brain hemorrhaging can occur from its use. MPTP is a by-product from meperidine synthesis, and its use can give irreversibe parkinsonian symptoms, because it destroys dopamine receptors

these make meth look like a cup of coffee.

on a widespread scale (society), alcohol.

[EMMAh]

Meth fucks you up pretty bad.

[Johndoe881]

I think its Crack

[DancerAnnie]

Meth, hands down

[dannyandryan]

i live in indiana, and around here, its meth w/o a question

[mushie18]

I'll have to agree with everyone who said meth. It's pretty damn gross.

[abrad84]

Alcohol is pretty dangerous, and what's even more dangerous is that most people are ignorant to its danger.

[seancourt]

This is a hard question to answer, some drugs may be more dangerous to some than others. But i think i choose alcohol, because it's socially accepted in society, when in reality it's REALLY bad for you. It's really addicting, and if you're lucky enough to survive being an alcoholic, than your basically just brain dead. Although heroin meth and crack are all up there as well. They all are just poison to your body.

[StonerBill]

i voted lsd, but i dont think lsd is the most dangerous drug

[SunshineLovePeace]

meth, cuz i have seen several ppl let it get the best of them.. and it was bad..

[Cosmic Butterfly]

fentanyl analogs, PMA (p-methoxyamphetamine)

the intermediates PCC (from pcp synthesis) and MPTP (from meperidine synthesis).

fentanyl and its analogs are extremely potent, it's easy to kill yourself from an od. 150 mg paramethoxyamphetamine is like taking nardil with a couple grams of tyramine; heart failure may occurt, after getting a fever of 106+ (at that temp, actual brain damage begins to occur)
PCC is an extremely toxic byproduct from incomplete PCP synthesis; nosebleeds and brain hemorrhaging can occur from its use. MPTP is a by-product from meperidine synthesis, and its use can give irreversibe parkinsonian symptoms, because it destroys dopamine receptors

these make meth look like a cup of coffee.

on a widespread scale (society), alcohol. Good post. I totally forgot about those, but I have seen a video a couple years ago of kid overdosing on PMA. It was horrible. The paramedics could do nothing. His temp was so high he was just convulsing, and then he died. :(

[polymer]

thanks.

I'm looking at it from a neurochem/pharmacological perspective, rather than my neighborhood. I realize there are worse things to be had than common drugs of abuse, many of them easily made (like PMA, which as you know, was passed off as MDMA); if a person snorted PMA, thinking it was meth, he/she would likely be dead in 20 mins without medical attention. You won't hear about it much, because media doesn't sensationalize it (because they simply don't know about it). Datura is pretty dangerous too.

MPTP damage can easily be seen in demerol addicts, if the demerol was poorly made. It's extremely neurotoxic, and does noticeable damage after just one dose, which isn't the case with the others listed.

The "oxycontin epidemic" was also televised just a few years ago; funny, don't hear about it much anymore. There will be a new "epidemic" in a few years.

if we're going by just the physical appearance of users, look at long-term inhalant addicts; their bones become brittle, tissue loss apparent...ingesting solvents...they urinate themselves (like severe alcoholics), and can't even talk coherently.

almost forgot about GHB, it has a steep dosage curve; in small amounts, it's relatively benign, but has the potential to be as addictive as benzos; but if one isn't careful when dosing, they could easily stop breathing. Same holds true for its precursors GBL, and 1,4-butanediol.

the "most dangerous" drugs aren't really any of the ones listed in the poll; not to say those don't have the potential to be dangerous (they can certainly be habit-forming)

[Cosmic Butterfly]

I know, I would love to add GHB, and others. It sucks that the poll only allows ten slots to fill.

[Antimatter235]

i know ppl who wznr straihgt to the spych yard after a hard trip on Dat

[polymer]

on what?

BZ is probably one of the most maddening trip experiences; if you've ever seen Jacob's Ladder, that's how his hell was induced.

AMT has caused a few deaths, those were reported, bam.. DEA motioned to have emergency scheduling for it; this was back in early 2004. AMT is an effective MAOI.

there are so many potentially dangerous drugs; it'd be tough to list them all.

I'd venture to say the anticholinergics (datura fits in this group), which induce "hallucinations", are especially dangerous; it's a delerium type stupor, in which you're in a place that looks completely different, or, you have total amnesia during the experience. If you do this by yourself, this is really dangerous, because you won't realize what you're doing. This is probably a reason salvia may be scheduled.

[Cosmic Butterfly]

Datura is a beautiful plant to see, but dangerous too. I also know a friend of my husbands who experimented in datura without really knowing what he was getting into. He is still not right in the head, and Im not sure if he ever was.

[polymer]

yeah, the flowers are fragrant and beautiful to look at , but the seed pods are curiously spiked, as if a warning.

I've had my bouts with it, it's not a pleasant feeling.

[sandpedlar]

I say PCP. I've tried almost all the others, and from what I've discovered, there's just no coming back with dust.

[polymer]

I'd have to say PCP and meth are in the same boat: prolonged use may actually perpetuate a state of psychosis.

but neither of them is "the most dangerous drug"

[the anarchist]

Salvador Dalí.

[polymer]

jenna jameson

[The Stig]

jenna jameson
LOL

Can we just make this the "Polymer educates us on dangerous drugs" thread? seriously all those posts are really interesting... keep them coming!

[MagicMushrooms]

I voted for marijuana

[polymer]

flintstones chewables

they actually tricked me into thinking that cops were qualified to teach the pharmacological effects of drugs, and that "just say no" would actually work. I stopped taking them, and got my curiousity back.

[seancourt]

flintstones chewables

they actually tricked me into thinking that cops were qualified to teach the pharmacological effects of drugs, and that "just say no" would actually work. I stopped taking them, and got my curiousity back.Hey man, i love those flintstones chewables :p

[SunshineLovePeace]

I used to eat em all the time as a kid :D

[polymer]

as did I, but now I realize they were part of a brainwashing regimen.

[Phrensied Rabbits]

Alcohol, no contest.
Seriously

[jrod]

I picked narc painkillers because I know of more people who have ODed and died than all the others combined, or accidents, or anything else. Also they are legal to an extent and the pharmx people make a fortune selling them.

[pugsley0134]

Every illegal drug is dangerous, that is why they are illegal!!! I would have to say the most deaths are caused by Alcohol (DUI) crashes nationwide!!!

However, I voted for Herion. I have tryed every drug on the list, and alot of other pills and cough syrups that are not on the list, but my experiences with herion were bad. Especially the itching and zoning in and out, really wierd. The first time I did it I also pucked and could not get up off the bathroom floor for about 10 minutes or so!!!

As far as safe, I am a strong believer that GOD put marijuana on this earth for a reason. I think they should legalize that and tax it. That would cut down on prison time and millions of tax dollars being spent to keep people in prison. The government needs to wake up. You cant overdose from it, and I never really seen a fight between two or more people getting stoned together; Unless of course alcohol is involved!!!!

Peace
Pugs
PA

[2cesarewild]

won't take your life, won't even take a limb ;-|

[polymer]

Every illegal drug is dangerous, that is why they are illegal!!!



..As far as safe, I am a strong believer that GOD put marijuana on this earth for a reason.
as you can see, the logic in the argument "every illegal drug is dangerous, that is why they are illegal" is inconsistent; if you really think that, then it should some to reason the marijuana is also dangerous, (it's regulated in Cat. I scheduling, the strictest level of substance control)....we both know that that's not the case.


If god put marijuana on the planet for a reason, then surely he must've put belladonna (a legal plant that is highly toxic, and more dangerous than the drugs listed in the polls) for a reason too. Don't forget about strychnine, it comes from a tree. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

the moral: don't think that plants are harmless, and god put them here for our benefit...that's not always necessarily true.

"dangerous" can take on many forms; potential for OD, neurological damage, incapacitation, impairment of judgement... the legalities of the substances in question have little to do with how "dangerous" a substance is, obviously, because alcohol is still widely available, and meth and PCP are in Cat. II. The impact of alcohol abuse on society is obvious; more casualties (and let's not forget about the murders and accidents that result from poor judgement) than ALL other drugs combined , including pharmaceuticals. I seriously doubt that even if meth, PCP, or heroin were legalized, the death toll would increase to the level of alcohol-related deaths.

media seems to be fickle about the "epidemics" that emerge, but this country has a VERY long history of alcoholism; it's just not as dramatized as meth use.

[moka9x9]

Ice.... Crystal meth man..

[B0ngHitz420]

I would have to say alcohol, because look how many people die every year from alcohol poisioning/drunk driving. My second choice would have to be meth.

[trippedelia]

Why did Stoner Bill put lsd, yet not think its the most dangerous?
Im just confused thats all.

anywho i put meth cos of all the spiritless motorheads here.

[DancerAnnie]

I argue with those that say "alcohol". Sure, it's dangerous...BUT, it's isn't dangerous unless you drink too much (too much of ANYTHING is bad) or if you get behind the wheel of a car. Getting behind the wheel of any car under the influence of ANYTHING can cause an accident, we just hear about drunk driving because it's extremely common. More people drink than do any drug...and probably all drugs combined...therefore, the statistics are going to be a bit skewed.

[MagicMushrooms]

Statistically alcohol is 1 of the most dangerous drugs just because it's readily available and so many people drink ein excess. Physically heroin is probably the worst drug but isn't nearly as common as alcohol so it doesn't effect as many people. If your talking about which drug is most dangerous to your health, I'd go with heroin. Which drug is most dangerous to the population as a whole? That would be alcohol.

[Eugene]

Heroin by itself isn't actually all that harmful to your health, however, the inconsistent purities and fluctuating tolerance makes it easy to o.d., that and the diseases that are commonplace with using needles (most herion users have hep c, and are one of the fastest growing segment of our population for AIDS), make it one of the most dangerous street drugs out there. I don't see how pain pills are all that bad, unless you count the APAP that damages your liver when taken in excess, it has the benefit of knowing exactly what and how much you put into your body.
As for THE most dangerous drug, it's obviously Mariwana, corrupter of youth, AKA 'reefers'. One 'hit' and you are a psychopathic sex fiend/murderer who will kill your entire family for another 'toke'. And that's not just me talking, ask mssr. Anslinger. ;)

[seancourt]

I argue with those that say "alcohol". Sure, it's dangerous...BUT, it's isn't dangerous unless you drink too much (too much of ANYTHING is bad) or if you get behind the wheel of a car. Getting behind the wheel of any car under the influence of ANYTHING can cause an accident, we just hear about drunk driving because it's extremely common. More people drink than do any drug...and probably all drugs combined...therefore, the statistics are going to be a bit skewed.Well, if we're talking about a single use, i guess thats true, but alcohol is really addicted, and if you become an alcoholic, well you're gonna be really fucked up physically in the future. thats why i think it's so dangerous. And the common deception in a lot of peoples mind that is isn't really that bad, just because it's legal, which is clearly not the case

[DancerAnnie]

Well, if we're talking about a single use, i guess thats true, but alcohol is really addicted, and if you become an alcoholic, well you're gonna be really fucked up physically in the future. thats why i think it's so dangerous. And the common deception in a lot of peoples mind that is isn't really that bad, just because it's legal, which is clearly not the case
I drink, but I don't drink in access...because I don't drink often, it poses very little threat to me. And addiction runs in my family...so...although I understand everyone's point when they say that alcohol is a dangerous drug...I have to argue that it isn't necessarily dangerous unless you carry it to excess.

[polymer]

the same could hold true for meth use; I have friends that would do a 20 of meth, and that's it. no jonesing/fiending, or what have you, no parkinsonian-like symptoms.

I have with me, the 8th Edition (2003) of "The Biochemical Basis of Neuropharmacology" (Cooper, Bloom, and Roth); nowhere in here does it even imply that normal infrequent doses of meth cause cell death, but it does say there is measureable neurotransmission in even desensitized dopamine receptors (from frequent use), while under the influence of methamphetamine. (263-265)
it also goes on to say:
(p. 265) " ..a drug can have a direct effect on synthesis, degradation, uptake, or release of a given transmitter that will alter the turnover of the neurotransmitter in question, but will not necessarily lead to an increase or decrease in the activity of the neuronal system that utilizes that substance as a transmitter."


MPTP is an altogether different beast; it oxidizes into the MPP+ free radical, which will kill cells; any drug that gets oxidized into free radicals which don't neutralize, will destroy neurons. methamphetamine doesn't metabolize into free radicals.
MPTP is classified as a "neurotoxin"; just one dose of this is enough to cause cell death at dopamine sites, and consequentially, parkinsonian-like symptoms. thus, MPTP is more dangerous to one's health, by far.

(all of this is discussed in Chapter 9, 'Dopamine')

but hey, if you believe meth is the most dangerous drug on the planet, I won't try to convince you otherwise; I just know for a fact that it isn't, not even close.

[seancourt]

I drink, but I don't drink in access...because I don't drink often, it poses very little threat to me. And addiction runs in my family...so...although I understand everyone's point when they say that alcohol is a dangerous drug...I have to argue that it isn't necessarily dangerous unless you carry it to excess.I can for sure see where your coming from. I guess it's just a really dangerous drug for those who don't go lightly on it.

[2cesarewild]

H bomb isn't physically bad for you, it's the junkie lifestyle and impurities like what's his face with the waking life sig said. Alcohol is a solvent, it damages your insides. I didn't answer this poll cause it's way too broad. For someone with mental health issues, LSD would be the most dangerous. For someone with a bad heart, stimulants like cocaine are the most dangerous.. etc etc.

[DancerAnnie]

H bomb isn't physically bad for you, it's the junkie lifestyle and impurities like what's his face with the waking life sig said. Alcohol is a solvent, it damages your insides. I didn't answer this poll cause it's way too broad. For someone with mental health issues, LSD would be the most dangerous. For someone with a bad heart, stimulants like cocaine are the most dangerous.. etc etc.
Excellent point.

[StonerBill]

Why did Stoner Bill put lsd, yet not think its the most dangerous?
Im just confused thats all.




the answer will return one day

[Mordiana]

I was tempted to say alcohol but voted herion anyway.. its something I'd never touch and addictived after the first shot (I assume).. so.. jeah.

[localhippy]

the H train

[trevor3051]

meth definately, plus making it is just as dangerous as taking it

[polymer]

synthing any compounds is going to be potentially dangerous, particularly when strong oxidizers/reducing agents are involved.
making meth isn't quite as dangerous as the news depicts (with guys wearing hazmat suits and shit lol) especially since there are a number of ways to do it, without having to work with ether.
i've never made it (i think it's a waste of time), but I've seen several procedures on making it.

the most dangerous drug (attitude, really) is apathy.

[Gh0sTiNnyc]

the act of huffing anything is the most harmful......and dangerous

[Maggie Sugar]

I'll agree Meth is nasty. I came of age in the 70s, and Dust (PCP) was the rage. Nasty nasty stuff. The effects are basically unpredictable. I have seen people completely mellowed out, some violent and scary, some who thought their head was detached from their body, many many many who could not remember what they did after the shit wore off. ALso, some people who actually had seizures while conscious, which is a near impossibility, but I know people who claimed it happened to them on Dust. ERs didn't know how to treat it, gave people Valium, which only potentiated it.

When the Paraquat Scare in the Middle 70s happened (hey, I love Jimmy Carter, but that was his WORST mistake ever) people started substituting crap ditch weed for the formerly good Mexican, Acolpulco (sp?)and Central American weed, and adding Dust to it for "strength." This was in the years when home growing was in it's infancy, and most people would just take some seeds, throw them in a pot, or in thier yard, and let the damn thing grow, male female, leaves, seeds, twigs and all went into the final product, AND Dust.

Horrible horrible stuff. Stopped smoking weed for quite a while after twice getting this crap, without my knowlege. Amazed me that ANYONE would take it intentionally. But a lot of the people I grew up with did. Broke up with my very first boyfriend, a kind, nice boy, because I couldn't stand his Dust love.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Thank God, Dust is not all that common anymore.

[grimjivey]

I'll have to agree with everyone who said meth. It's pretty damn gross.

I'll agree with mishie18

Meth sucks, and those who use it suck more. :mad:

[stoned immaculate]

meth

[SliceNDice]

Datura

[moka9x9]

Heroin + Cocaine Speed Ball Injections... Hiting like six points out of a 1ml/27mg'er would be deadly.. haha... whooooaa!

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Damn Maggie! I LOVE THE SHITT outta Dust! Fukkin incredible insights. I dig how everythings seperate and together, and how elce could I be in several places at once? Its the truest death. I could swear my pulse would stop for an hour or so while I spoke in toungs sometimes! I only read the last page. Did anyone say nikoteen? The nikoteen dispensed today in govt sanctioned cigarrettes causes more deaths than any drug mentioned in this thread. Hows that for a fukkt up dangerous drug, I didnt even have to read the whole thread and I already know that the answer to the question "Whats the most dangerous drug" is nikoteen. Im pretty shure that todays govt sancioned cigarrettes kill more folks than ALL the drugs mentioned in this thread put together. THATS pretty fukkin scarry! Dont buyem kids, they aint fukkin "cool". Theyr sold to ya by Bush and his friends who all profit on it. They make whores of all those who partake in THEYR pernicious ADDICTION. Just dont buyem. Just think bout it and youl see that rite now,today the most dangerous drug is cigarrettes. They kill more Folks than alla the other drugs in this thread kill put together. Throwem in the toilet.

[Chillin]

meth for sure that shit fucks you up

[zeppelin kid]

Heroin would have to be the worst.

[polymer]

reality shows and FOX news.
they turn you into a real idiot

[Tarantism]

there are many bad ones up there, but heroin *will* kill you. whoever voted LSD is a nutsack.

[jrod]

Heroin and oxycontin are the two id say are the worst, lethal drugs without a doubt.

Meth isnt that bad(at least short term, especially useless). Lets say you have two construction workers and one take heroin(or oxyC) he is useless and wont be productive for days. Now lets say the other guy smokes or snorts some meth, he will be wired and can work non-stop for days. At least meth has some positve aspects.

[fritz]

I think it's the people that are dangerous. The drug is picked up, it doesn't inject itself in your arm.
Imagine that, automatic snorting, & smoke that rushes into your lungs..:eek: *chuckle*
Sorry...Didn't sleep much last night. ;)

[Magical Mystery Girl]

For someone with mental health issues, LSD would be the most dangerous. For someone with a bad heart, stimulants like cocaine are the most dangerous.. etc etc.
Yes, precisely. An acquaintance of mine, for example, was heavily addicted to marijuana because he simply had a very addictive personality. Everything's different for every individual, depending on who you are as a person. I, for instance, would love to experience LSD... but I don't think I should even attempt it because I have several mild social disorders, and the last thing I need personally, is to go permanently batty. So yes... I can agree with that. :)

[dancingmaryjane]

i'd have to say heroin...meth is gettin pretty bad in the south though. you don't hear about to many smack junkies down here. least not w/ my people

[crummyrummy]

HipForums

[StingingPistol]

I voted meth.

[trippedelia]

HipForums
haha it is pretty addictive

[dudenamedrob]

I voted meth.............nasty horrible plague.

Fox News and Republicans are much worse though.

What is the big problem with Heroin?? I agree, it's extremely addictive.........but it's far from being the most dangerous.....and for the dude that posted that little analogy about the construction workers..................not everybody nods out on Opiates, I know if I do some Dilaudid or bump a little H, my house is never cleaner, lol

[rogercole]

Dude meth aint that bad i nkow neither is marryjane man heroin is i think because one needle will get you hooked but meth is like it take a couple time before youll hook


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[dudenamedrob]

not everybody boots H though...............I have been doing it sporatically for years, i've booted a couple times when I was younger (and stupider) but thankfully I never became an addict, nowadays I'll get a bundle, key it up, and when its gone its gone..........very rarely though, no more than twice a year, if that........however I prefer Dilaudid to H anyday. You gotta be careful though, thats for sure, I definitely don't recommend it to most people...........i'm just wierd like that.

[dudenamedrob]

...........Disclaimer for all the uninformed: You do not HAVE to boot (with a needle) in order to do Heroin. Most people snort it, a few people smoke it, you can even eat it (like mixing it in coffee) and it does not physically addict you with one high, thats D.A.R.E. nonsense..........however, it is still EXTREMELY addictive.....and continual use can put you on the junky train within a few days.........and you dont wanna be on that train, it just keeps ridin with no stops till ya jump off!

Meth is much much much much much much much much worse than Heroin could ever be, Meth is a scourge on this planet and the greedy bastards who sell it/turn people on/defend it/and make it are almost as bad as Fox News and the Republicans.

(sorry I know thats incredibly harsh........one of my best friends was murdered, shot 4x at close range with a 12ga over a meth deal)

Love and Light kids

r.i.p. Ty

[trippedelia]

whoa, fuck man.. sorry about your friend.. when people start being violent over certain drugs you know they arent too good for you

[enjoibaked]

Opiates all turn to morphine in your stomache.
I have always wanted to try heroin.
How much different is it from morphine?

[Bumble]

heroin because it completely changes who you are in a psychological and physilogical way. You stop loving everything and everyone in your life besides the smack. It is VERY hard for people to get off of this. Most people die. In my eyes this is the most dangerous drug.

[dudenamedrob]

Meth causes a much more drastic change psychologically and physically,

-your teeth fall out, bones break (brittle), hair falls out, people will murder for one more hit, makes people insanely violent, volatile........I can't begin to assign any of these attributes to heroin.

Heroin is extremely addictive and makes you comfortably numb and if you get really really bad it can end up in some serious weight loss.

Meth is even MORE addictive, makes you a danger to the public, wastes your body away from the inside out, makes you a danger to your children and family.....people on Meth are capable of ANYTHING.

[polymer]

mmmaann.. I don't know where you guys get your info (whether it be from Dateline 20/20 or limited experience and/or scope of psychoactive substances), but hahaha.

surely a "safer" alternative to methamphetamine (like Modafinil) would make the former obsolete, that way they would bump Meth to schedule I status, with all the other "dangerous" addictive drugs, right? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I'm inclined to agree with the more reasonable responses... the drug isn't dangerous, the user is; individual responses to the drug vary.

[psilojunkie]

ice and crank are definitely up there, whether or not they're the most dangerous i can't say, as i don't have experience with too many other hard drugs

[jbones23]

Meth no doubt.

[organic.psychonaut]

i think it depends on the person taking the drug, not the drug itself.

[Posthumous]

XTC is worse that most ppl realize. A normal dose damages serotonin receptors, whereas a million times the normal dose of LSD causes no damage despite it being a powerful serotonin anatogonist.

thus XTC leads to depression. Don't fuck with your brain chemistry.

[phx]

MDMA is the safest drug on the list. MDMA definetely does not lead to depression.. in fact, in most cases, it's the opposite.

[polymer]

MDMA is the safest drug on the list. MDMA definetely does not lead to depression.. in fact, in most cases, it's the opposite. don't know where you get your info from, but you're wrong.

MDMA isn't called a "neurotoxin" in the medical community for nothing; excessive use has been shown to erode neuronal axon sheaths surrounding 5HT1A receptors in humans, as well as depleted levels of 5-HIAA in the spine. If you find that hard to believe, pick up a copy of "The Biochemical Basis of Neuropharmacology" 8th Ed. (Bloom/Cooper/Roth) next time you're at the library. See chapter 10 (Serotonin)

and when's the last time you've talked to an "e-tard"? they're not exactly cheery people when they're not rolling.

[trippedelia]

ellis is the safest on the list i still dont know why someone voted for it.

[polymer]

i think it's one of those erroneous preconceived notions that "lsd can make you crazy"...


in that case, porn should be on the list too.

[phx]

don't know where you get your info from, but you're wrong.

MDMA isn't called a "neurotoxin" in the medical community for nothing; excessive use has been shown to erode neuronal axon sheaths surrounding 5HT1A receptors in humans, as well as depleted levels of 5-HIAA in the spine. If you find that hard to believe, pick up a copy of "The Biochemical Basis of Neuropharmacology" 8th Ed. (Bloom/Cooper/Roth) next time you're at the library. See chapter 10 (Serotonin)

and when's the last time you've talked to an "e-tard"? they're not exactly cheery people when they're not rolling.Those are insignficant and there are no long-term damages connected to the use of pure MDMA. And yes, MDMA has improved people's lives. I think we're talking about two different things here.. you're talking about the rave scene/using mdma recreationally while I typically base it on using it to improve ones life and in the medical scene.

[polymer]

and you're speculating on limited psychotherapeutic studies, which involve sub-recreational doses. not everyone is affected positively by MDMA "treatment", especially those lacking certain neurotransmitters to begin with.

no long term damage? on the contrary, there is. refer to the book, which was printed in 2003 no less), that I mentioned, there is even a nice pic of shredded human (not rats') dendrites; it's been proven in several cases; though sparse usage is probably no big deal, that doesn't change the fact that it's a known neurotoxin, which causes oxidative damage to axons.

in the neurochemical aspect, mdma is as damaging as cocaine. it's called "excitotoxicity".

feeling that good, has to come with a price.

[phx]

What? this?

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/images/archive/mdma_nida_brainscans1.gif

Check this link:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml

That study was EXTREMELY flawed and has since then been discredited as merely a 'government scare'

[phx]

I also suggest you watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt6PHhOZ32g&search=ecstasy%20rising

NBC Primetime special called "Ecstasy Rising".

[polymer]

seen it. I don't particularly care for sensationalism.

and I mean this book http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Medicine/Neuroscience/?view=usa&ci=9780195140088#
no brain scan picture, but a real microscopic view on damaged sheaths. it's a genuine science textbook.

repercussions exist, it's quite obvious.

[fritz]

Originally posted by polymer
seen it. I don't particularly care for sensationalism.

and I mean this book http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/gener...=9780195140088# (http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Medicine/Neuroscience/?view=usa&ci=9780195140088#)
no brain scan picture, but a real microscopic view on damaged sheaths. it's a genuine science textbook.

repercussions exist, it's quite obvious.

Hey, polymer...
How many times you have to drop E before those repercussions come into effect full? Do they have any idea?
In the past, I rolled a few times, but probably won't ever touch it again..Got me curious? I can understand the attraction to the drug.
PM the answer if you like..

[the grobe]

meth heroin coke/crack they all are bad for ya just shouldnt touch thoses

[kcd1987]

this question could very easily be interpretted in many ways, with that being said i think that alcohol is the most damaging for out society, even though it is not the most physically harmful

[crummyrummy]

Stingray Barbs

[C123-473]

I LOVE THE SHITT outta Dust!
...
I only read the last page. Did anyone say nikoteen? The nikoteen dispensed today in govt sanctioned cigarrettes causes more deaths than any drug mentioned in this thread. Hows that for a fukkt up dangerous drug, I didnt even have to read the whole thread and I already know that the answer to the question "Whats the most dangerous drug" is nikoteen. Im pretty shure that todays govt sancioned cigarrettes kill more folks than ALL the drugs mentioned in this thread put together. THATS pretty fukkin scarry! Dont buyem kids, they aint fukkin "cool"... Just dont buyem. Just think bout it and youl see that rite now,today the most dangerous drug is cigarrettes. They kill more Folks than alla the other drugs in this thread kill put together. Throwem in the toilet.Well, that settles it. PCP without a doubt.

[opium_eyes]

it was a tough choice between meth and heroin. i think i picked heroin because i've actually seen how badly people can be when they need heroin. i've never seen anyone with a meth problem

[nobhdy]

i had to choose between meth and heroin, but i chose meth bacause i have seen firsthand what it can do to you.

[Go ask alice]

I voted PCP...ive seen prople messed up by that and its a sad, sad thing =.(

[clementinexo]

i'm going to have to go with meth... although heroin is pretty fucking whack too.

[kissya]

Any drug is dangerous.

[soaringeagle]

i'd hafta say theyre all quite dangerouse (except weeed) its hard though to say which is worse heroin or meth or alcahol...i was even tempted togo with pcp since i know people who've worked in menmtal hospitols, & have seen some incredibly fucked up things done by people on pcp
including 1 guy who plucked out his own eye..& ate it
that sounds pretty dangerouse to me

what i find the most dangerouse, is, right here on these forums..just yesterday a 16 year old kid was concidering trying datura or beledona..i forget which..& without knowing him or his experiences, several people just said yea go for it
there are some here who do try to educate about risks & give the infothey need to make informed descisions, but theres also far too mkuch encouraging young kids to experiment with dangerouse & even potentialy deadly combinations..
how manyof you bother getting contact info & checking up on these kids to make sure they survived the combo you encoyraged them to try?
these are mostly inexperienced kids looking for solid advice..& 1 guy actualy suggested he try huffing..well mustard gas..we knew it was a joke..& a deadly combo..& we know it was only posted because the kid was dumb enough to want to try a dangerouse combo...but what if he was dumb enough to try it..& gassed his whole family?
just saying, have a lil bit of responcibiity in what you say to kids whowant to try potentialy harmful or dangeroise drugs..even if you enjoyed them, ..explain the risks

[LuckyStripe]

I only read the poll and the first page... has it been said yet... that there is NO "most dangerous drug"?

Alcohol can be pretty damn dangerous- the worst for withdrawl in a life threating way...

however meth, crack, coke, heroin, all have their own dangers that are very diff. but just as bad or worse.

I dont think it is possible to pick a "worst drug"

[soaringeagle]

seen it. I don't particularly care for sensationalism.

and I mean this book http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Medicine/Neuroscience/?view=usa&ci=9780195140088#
no brain scan picture, but a real microscopic view on damaged sheaths. it's a genuine science textbook.

repercussions exist, it's quite obvious.
i've seen 1st hand how dangerouse prolounged use of E can be, a freind several years backwhen E first became piopular had a severe habbit, i sawher 8 years later, & shed completely forget everything from 1 second tothe next
even dressing herself, or tying her shoes was a chore that needed repeated instructions over & over before shed finaly accomplishit
she would get lost 5 feet from her front door & collapse intoa ball crying, not even rememberering her own name from 1 momment to another
yes thats the extreme (she was taking about $1600 worthof E a day? or week..ithink day..it was extreme..soher difficulties are exagerated, but it illustrated nicely just how dangerouse it can be..this was a really beautiful girl i sated awhile, very sweet..& was smart..now shes totaly mindless & hasnt gone outside without having someone take her by the hand & lead her..in about 18 years
dont foolyourself intothinking E is harmless..its not

[LuckyStripe]

E is not harm less but I doubt it is the most harmful.

Next topic....


:)

[blitz7341]

wow i read all 11 pages of the thread. i think its clear there isnt one most dongerous drug. but thats been discused here already. ive did E the first time about a year ago. i had about my 11th roll last weekend and im going to say that E has taken a toll on my brain. its such a beautifull drug makes me sad its so bad for you....gives you the world then leaves u with a hole inside of you....i wish there was nothing but pure molly or liquid in the world i hate greedy people who made this drug dirty.....sry bout my rant but anyway i think meth/coke/crack is the worst cuz people fiend/will cross there best friends for more.

[PsyGrunge]

Smack

[Aesthete]

I voted meth. I'm not anything close to a regular drug user, but I can see the appeal of drugs. I cannot, however, see why anyone would want to use meth.

[teh-horace]

well, even according to Nat'l Geographic, it's meth

Methamphetamine-or "meth" for short-is considered one of the hardest addictions to quit. Across the United States, its abuse is ravaging rural communities and cities alike and spreading its tentacles to major metropolitan areas and around the globe.




if you care to watch the program about it (because i certainly do)

World's Most Dangerous Drug [TV-14 L]
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, at 08P

[phoenix_indigo]

i think it's a toss between meth and heroin but i could only vote for one so i said meth

[soaringeagle]

i'm inclined to change my vote to dutura
every report about it is very very bad its highly toxic

very deadly

yet alotta 15 year olds still try it..even after being told over & over not to
not most widely dangerouse maybe..but certainly 1 that causes ppl to risk theyre lives knowing how bad it is..just to see for themselves if they can survive it

[Conformist2]

cocaine, crack, LSD, and MDMA
are all safe
little to no physical or mental damage happens
the bad things about cocaine and crack is they're very very addicting
cocaine and crack are the same thing just crack is freebase

[polymer]

well, even according to Nat'l Geographic, it's meth






if you care to watch the program about it (because i certainly do)

World's Most Dangerous Drug [TV-14 L]
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, at 08P sure.

and it changes every decade.

but hey, since it's on TV, it's gotta be true.

[RELAYER]

sure.

and it changes every decade.

but hey, since it's on TV, it's gotta be true.
Didn't Garfield used to sAY THAT????? Or one of the animals on that show?

[teh-horace]

sure.

and it changes every decade.

but hey, since it's on TV, it's gotta be true.yeah......okay?

[polymer]

yeah......okay? you'll see what I mean, the older you get.

I remember when MDMA and crack were the "most dangerous" drugs, circa 1985, 1986. before that, it was cocaine and heroin.
every decade, it's a new fad for sensationalist media.

keep in mind... Methamphetamine is category II (along with cocaine) scheduling, making it less controlled than marijuana, mdma, lsd, heroin, and mescaline.

You'd think that big brother would want to keep such a "dangerous" drug like meth under strict control, but since big brother gets paid by pharm companies who also manufacture "desoxyn" (not to mention, these same pharm companies fund political campaigns), and a huge industry has been built around crusade against street manufacture of meth, in the eyes of the law, you'll be considered more of a menace if you get busted with a sheet of acid than a few grams of meth.

no doubt, meth is nasty stuff; I'm no fan of it.
but there are much more dangerous drugs out there, several of them uncontrolled, soaringeagle named one of them.

[teh-horace]

text and the lack of emotion :rolleyes:

i just thought you were being sarcastic towards my reply to this thread, in which case i don't have my own opinion, as i've never had to really experience the dangers of any of these drugs, and i was just goin' with everyone else. and that, well, the natgeo channel had a special aptly titled "the most dangerous drug" and it being about meth, i just kinda went along with that.

i think i'm forum-paranoid sometimes

but it's all good

[polymer]

oh no, it wasn't sarcasm, per se, but the sad way it really is. a lot of people take what's on tv at face value, and that's the real dangerous drug (misinformation).

if it doesn't apply to you, my apologies; some kind words of advice: don't try it, it's not worth it.

[teh-horace]

ha, trust me, i think lately i've even given up on marijuana



but in all honesty, it's the National Geographic channel man, :tongue: i gotta be able to trust that!

:D

[baloon]

whoever said that it all depends on a personality said exactly what I did and will think. however, some drugs do not need to be tried, and in my opinion, those are the ones that will damage your brain in the first try. I say this because there's lots of em that will leave you clean many many times after you're off them.. like weed (but I think prolonged use can become a large waste of time.. depends where you want to lead your life)
also, don't laugh at the guy who said cigs are the most dangerous drug.. for they are the true model of addiction without any "gain". they taste gross to everyone who first tries them, and all they do is make you buy another pack if you get stuck with them.

[Bumble]

how the fuck is meth more dangerous than heroin?

[hippie_chick666]

Meth is evil. Stay away from it!

Peace and love

[Phen-research-vas]

Meth is bad in some users (most users) but I do know some people that can handle it if they smoke it and never shoot it up. I used to be a meth user but I can't handle it so I don't use it. Heroin is another drug many people can't use with out turning into junkies. Needle drugs are really the worst I think, and I have used needles before so I know what I talk about. But I think as far as DANGEROUS goes it is datura, snorted 2c-t-7 (only three deaths or so but I bet you anything if it gets more popular people will keep snorting alot of it and die), and fentanyl based shit is pretty dangerous.

2c-t7 really probably doesn't deserve to be on the list of most dangerous drugs but I think as far as research chemicals go it is one of the most dangerous of them.

[boek]

meth, it's so grody.

[crummyrummy]

said it before will say it again, Tobacco

[makno]

cigs and alcohol should be eliminated from the stores , and the gas station should sell dank bud n heroin ....

[Rainbow Starlite]

While Alcohol kills the most people, I picked Meth bc I have seen the effects

[get_up_stand_up]

Well I noticed a lot of you guys said meth, and I agree. But that got me thinking why on earth would doctors prescribe some adhd patients meth? I personally don't even think adhd is real.

[PurpleGel]

alcohol. then nicotine (if it were on the list). they cause more deaths than all illegal drugs combined. the withdrawal from alcohol and nicotine is worse than even heroin, believe it or not. do you want to experience delirium tremens? it can kill you. yes, meth is dangerous, but at least meth users don't kill innocents around them by drunkenly crashing their vehicles or by blowing cancer-causing smoke into the public air.

[ippi]

Meth thats the worst... It gives addiction very fastly... But remember childs every drug has it's own good use...

[Karma Angel]

Meth...hands down.

[Dr.Pepper]

Datura Hands Down!!

[RELAYER]

cigs and alcohol should be eliminated from the stores , and the gas station should sell dank bud n heroin ....
But I like to have all 4 as much as possible ;)

[vactom]

I said heroin, but IMO meth and heroin are just as hard and dangerous.

[*CHAMELEON*]

Meth is just about the worse thing you can use.I've never seen anything destroy a person so quickly.Stick to organic hallucinogens and cannabis and you'll be just fine.
Like mentioned before in this thread about the Fentanyl analogs and of course PMA. Some will just kill you and give you massive brain and nervous system damage.Alcohol is the downfall of western civilization in my opinion though.I'm really big on trichocereus pachanoi and cannabis myself . I am quite curious about DMT though.I've been wanting to try that for a long time.Sorry I went on and on like that in this post.
Peace

[djreindeer]

I have to go with alcohol from the point of view of number of people if affects and the fact that people think it's safe--most because it's legal.

Meth is a good one too but most people at least know it's dangerous.

[Skerb]

Tylenol.

[DirtyBongAlexa]

meth is scary good

[ultralight]

The question is a bit vague, but I think I know what you mean. I can say one thing. PCP changed my life in the seventies (I'm and OLD man now) but it allowed me to travel as no other drug I found (as many of you, I tried most) But PCP clocked me out pretty quick (Unconcious) and sent to places, and I love to reference Roy in blade runner "you peple wouldn't believe the things I have seen" :) it changed me so deeply, that I saw life in a completely different way. almost thirty years later, I still morn the loss of those journeys, and the tins I saw, the friends I made (few would believe it) I long to return, but I got married :(.
I'm not maried NOW, and the spark is kindled once again (guess I'm not as old as I thought that after all :) thank God for the internet ey?

As with anything in life, to much of anything "may" be bad for you. Mammals are addictive creatures. But I believe we go to extremes LOOKING for the soul, the trip, the place we knew once, and only want to return to. Few find it, I did. Others, I mourn, but know I will see again.

[Shocbomb]

There are more Deaths and OD's from Heroin in the us then anyother Drug.

[t_rich]

meth fuck you tweekers

[USA in decline]

What do you think is the most dangerous drug out there?
If is other please share your opinion.

Thanks. Goverment.

[uplink]

cocaine, crack, LSD, and MDMA
are all safe
little to no physical or mental damage happens
the bad things about cocaine and crack is they're very very addicting
cocaine and crack are the same thing just crack is freebasecocaine crack and MDMA are not safe. Physical damage and severe brain damage can and does occure. Not to mention many if not most MDMA tablets are laced with meth.

On LSD mental damage can happen (hppd etc).

and crack is fucking awful for your lungs.

[ConCat]

it's the pain killers cuz all them mutha fuckin 8th graders are taking it like they don't even know it's legal fucking heroin... probly tied with meth, alot of good people get tied up with meth.

[ConCat]

cocaine crack and MDMA are not safe. Physical damage and severe brain damage can and does occure. Not to mention many if not most MDMA tablets are laced with meth.

On LSD mental damage can happen (hppd etc).

and crack is fucking awful for your lungs. If you are talking about the government fucking study they did for MDMA, that shit was METH on brain damage... they released that info after they released it... never trust the government

MEH GUSTA LA KAVA y KAVA y KAVA

[Silverbackman]

I think the most hardest drugs goes as follow;

1. Nicotine (Tobacco)

2. Heroin

3. Meth

4. Alcohol

5. Cocaine

It's interesting how most hard drugs are either pure stimulants and depressants.

[JahRed24]

Well i would say the most dangerous drug in the sense of being "instant" danger to it then i would say Crack Cocaine is the most dangerous drug. But Heroin will fuck with ur head for the rest of ur life even after you get off it, just the general depression and what not after quitting an opiate addiction. ,But i hear the depression goes away after about 6 months and gets better day by day. but crack, especially when addicted and currently using the drug, you can become very dangerous to yourself and others and just do completley stoopid ass shit while under the influence of crack, crack is one of the drugs i would never try not even once. Meth is the same way as crack to an extent in being dangerous as crack. ight opiates rule (when ur on them, just don't get addicted, use NO MORE then once every 10-12 days if u want to remain a normal. And bud is the most undangerous substance, hell it isn't even a fucking DRUG! its a damn natural plant, how can u outlaw a plant!? oh well Bud is always good and its the Healing Herb, there are many good uses for it; relax, create music/writing/movie idea/ect., playing video games, raiding the fridge ; ), and a lot more stuff that u can enjoy much more while under the influence of cannbis sativa. : )

[-beatnick]

in most, and notice most, cases, things that havent been messed with or are still straight from the earth are less dangerous than things that say, we would be able to make with the things we can find under our kitchen sinks.

datura and the likes are exceptions, but even then, ignorance is the most dangerous.

[JahRed24]

well technically heroin comes from the earth. Morphine is a naturally occuring alkaloid in the poppy plant and the morphine is extracted and converted to heroin (diacetylmorphine). Actually if u have a steady supply of opiates u can live just like a normal person. I read this study about this 84 year old docotor that had been addicted to morphine for 60years and was just as healthy as his opiate-naive counter-part. thought it was kinda interesting,

[Greengirl]

well heroin scares me...thats a fucked up shit

[crummyrummy]

Hip Hop Music

[Greengirl]

Hip Hop MusicTrue!

[crummyrummy]

well technically heroin comes from the earth. Morphine is a naturally occuring alkaloid in the poppy plant and the morphine is extracted and converted to heroin (diacetylmorphine). Actually if u have a steady supply of opiates u can live just like a normal person. I read this study about this 84 year old docotor that had been addicted to morphine for 60years and was just as healthy as his opiate-naive counter-part. thought it was kinda interesting,Technically everything comes from the earth. No drugs made from moon rocks yet.
Technically every drug comes from space, since the earth is the product of billions of years of suns exploding.
EVERYTHING IS ORGANIC PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

[RazzorX]

I voted LSD, if your dead your dead, But it only takes one really bad trip to have a permanent adverse effect on your mental health, something you have to live with for the rest of your life

[i_like_acid]

heroin

[The_Man_On_The_Hill]

Heroin, no doubt!! My friend in High School OD and died the first time he shot up........ It's such a shame http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

[StayLoose1011]

It blows my mind how many people are so ignorant about the whole "natural" vs. "man-made" thing. Why talk about the chemicals under the kitchen sink (some of which are quite natural btw)? Why not talk about the billions of man-made chemicals that are perfectly harmless or beneficial? On the flip side, why talk about all of the wonderful herbs out there, why not talk about the countless poisonous mushrooms which will kill you dead on the spot? Why not talk about snake venom or LEAD (lead is about as natural as it gets, how would you like to much on some lead?)? I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's just total ignorance. Look at the big picture. There is no such thing as "natural" vs. "man made" in the grand scheme of things. Everything is made up of atoms, period.

As for the original question, I've got to go with either fentanyl or meth. LSD gets an honorable mention for obvious reasons.

[Geneity]

I'd say PCP in terms of physical damage.

[ClandestineSaint]

Alcohol is pretty dangerous, and what's even more dangerous is that most people are ignorant to its danger.Alcoholics Anonymous anyone? Any drug (you would be suprised how many people don't think it's a drug) that spurs the creation of a self-help group, and the subsequent creation of hundreds of related self-help groups is going to get my attention...

[trippedelia]

yeah alco is fucked, i turn into a dif person when im hungover except i dont relaise, i get so much more shallow when i drink more often

[poopzilla33]

meth for sure

ive been addicted to heroin and while its pretty devastating its reversable, though harder than anyone whose never tried can imagine. meth seems even more impossible to get out of

[JahRed24]

Well i've never tried the meth, crack or H. First off i HATE stimulants, but i have doen adderall numerous times for studying or taking a test...but even just 10mg adderall gets me wired all day and i HAVE to have some xanax, bud, or some OC to come down at night and sleep. But the most 'dangerous' drug would probably be some kind of inhalant like 'huffin' paint' or 'computer duster' shit like that does all kinds of physical damage on top of mental... WEED IS NOT A DRUG, its the healing herb of da nation !

[VOLKO]

I thing meth, and crack too
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue/MethResources/faces/index.html

[maddhatter]

alcohol. it's killed a bunch of people in my family. next would probably be meth just cause it can be easily overdosed
i only say alcohol cause it's legal, if it was illegal i'm sure people wouldn't abuse it like they do now. coke and meth are far more dangerous, but only a small percentage of the population take these drugs, so i wouldn't consider them such a threat.

[burning_neverland]

I put heroin just because i have more friends that i have died from opiates than any other drug. And Fentanyl of course.

[Distant Lover]

I have read that meth causes permanent brain damage.

[Ayzcrava]

Well someone I kind of knew (a friend of my ex) used heroin and within half a year he went unrecognisable, he lost his job, house and car, asked people gifts he once gave them back to be able to afford heroin, not to mention he also lost most of his friends and there was just basically nothing left of the guy.
So.. I voted heroin. That wasn't nice to see. I never tried any of those listed except for LSD and obviously alcohol and I think LSD isn't dangerous if you're not already a schizophrenic and alcohol isn't that dangerous if you limit your use, and quite a lot of people seem to be able tod ot hat fine, but with heroin it seems to be a lot different.

I couldn't vote meth because its not common in my country, people who use amphetamines here usually use speed, with is a less strong form. Appearantly both are more harmful tot he body then heroin, but I think addiction is pretty harmful aswell so my vote remains with heroin.

[robspace2]

Its a toss up between heroin or cocaine-I have been strung out on both and while coke costs much more money to stay hooked on' it's usually the heroin that kills people the quickest. In the 60s and 70s the grade of heroin was not nearly as strong as the stuff out there today. Black tar is killing people everyday with accidental overdoses here where I live-I have lost friends from both drugs. The number one drug killing people is alcohol. And despite what the AA members claim' alcohol is a drug-it's listed as a drug and used as such for antistetic purposes as well as boozing-but don't tell that to AA!-

[salmon4me]

More die from Heroin than any other drug on the list (not counting alcohol).

[the grobe]

i think the biggest problem is caffeine and nicotine but for your list meth crack heroin, mdma isnt bad unless its extasy pill not pure mdma because most pills are really dirty

[robspace2]

Here in Washington and over in Oregon' 80% of the people in in-patient treatment centers are there for one reason-METH!-but even though it's the bigggest drug currently destroying sight' hearing.teeth'brain cells and all other body functions and hearts and lungs 'I survived it-3 times! lol-
Yea-sometimes it takes us old guys with the really bad' long term addictions a tad longer to get over it' we can and do-The meth crisis is really big' more then any other nasty critter out there but heroin is the one that kills it's users more them any other-
The correct answer is heroin-by far-not even close-

[Shatarag]

Meth by far....Cost my mom everything....
Chemicals are no good..
natural....!!!!! If you have to mix it or stomp it..
It doesnt matter what gods (or Goddess you) believe in dont take things unnatural. You know if it comes from the siol or not..

[Shocbomb]

Right now in America its Meth in the late 80's and 90's it was Crack. But over all the Drug other then Tobacco that kills the most is Alchool.

[salmon4me]

Crack doesn't kill anyone. Might make ya rob someone but your not gonna die unless you make some dumb ass decision.

Most dangerous illicit drug:
1. Heroin
2. Meth

Most dangerous legal or illicit drug:
1. Tobacco
2. Alcohol
3. Heroin
4. Meth
5. Coke / crack (danger primarily lies in shooting coke)

[Shocbomb]

Salmon4me dude you can overdose from smoking crack have you ever heard of Len Bias the basketball player who took one hit of crack and died, The footbal player Avery Atkins also died from a Crack cocaine Over dose. Shit you can die from a line of coke its rare but you can ! I have seen two people overdose from sniffing coke real heavy over a few day period bolth times.Thank God they bolth lived. 99% most OD's from coke and Crack happen when you up for a few days on a hug run and smoking or sniffing alot. you are right Shooting coke is the most dangerous and easist way to OD buy Far.

[NorCaliGreenFiend]

who the fuck voted for LSD??!! you my friend are misinformed, as it is probably the safest psychedelic, and one of the safest drugs EVER.

[CSP101]

Datura is pretty fucking dangerous if I do say so myself though not quite as bad as some others. IE. Meth, Heroin

[C123-473]

Yes, alcohol poisoning is possible, but pretty rare except for those who are being really stupid. Excessive use of any drug can destroy you, but Otis Campbell was the town drunk for years and years, and he lived a good long time.

Have you seen what meth can do to people in a year?
Google meth before and after.

[salmon4me]

Being a heavy drinker will kill you almost as fast. And that's not even counting alcohol related accidents.

[Edd.tokes.to.much.]

meth.

[KnCC]

Most dangerous drug- Life)

[Azog 150]

I chose Heroin, but have no experiance of Meth or Heroin. But (correct me if Im wrong) I dont think Meth is anywhere near as popular here as it is in the US, so I voted heroin.

[OlderWaterBrother]

I voted crack. Here’s why, my nephew. He tried cocaine and crack at 15 and for 25 years he has been addicted. For the last 5 years he basically has lived in a garage (no windows so they can’t be seen) with his “friends” smoking crack. Not even knowing if it’s day or night. He now has congestive heart failure and has no memory of anything that has happened the last 25 years except for smoking crack. That would include the death of my sister, his mother last year. I asked him if he wanted to go see her, he went once and slept though the visit and after that he was too "busy" to go see her. In the last 3 months he has been in the hospital 3 times for his congestive heart failure and they have a hard time getting his oxygen levels up. Now here’s a kid 20 years my junior, who when I visited him in the hospital confessed he didn’t want to die because he still had things he wanted to do with his life, and yet he may not live to see his next birthday. He’ll never get back those wasted 25 years and is left with a body of a 70 year old. That’s why I voted crack. But I’m sure that most of the older ones here could relate similar stories about heroin, meth and the other drugs but I know this story personally. When I read the one post that said that cocaine and crack were basically harmless I had to say; NO they are NOT harmless! In fact no drug is harmless even aspirin can cause stomach problems and Tylenol can cause liver damage. So no drug should be taken lightly and all drugs can be dangerous!

[Shatarag]

I cant honestly put my finger on what one is more dangurous?
Ive seen so many people close to me completly fall apart over meth..
Including one parent and one boyfriend...
I ran a rental lot in the hood in Jackson,Mississippi..
So many honest hard working people that will still a water heater for a piece of rock..
Crack knows no race. From 60 year old men to 15 year old girls. Theyll sale what ever they have for it..
Its devastating.
Ive seen people who have homes, good jobs, great family, what most people dream for..
Within 6months a year there sleeping under an over pass.
Its all terrible..
I dont know what one is worse..
So heart breaking......

[Shatarag]

Believe it or not. Theres a part of this country where its cooked right in there garages..
Its quickly becoming the modern day moonshine..
Most oftenly cooked by middle to lower class white people..
Its not quiet as wide spread, but its becoming more and more accessable..
As a parent its terrifying.I chose Heroin, but have no experience of Meth or Heroin. But (correct me if Im wrong) I dont think Meth is anywhere near as popular here as it is in the US, so I voted heroin.

[sam&ella]

Most dangerous drug? A tie between tobacco and scopolomine. Since I'm a smoker, scopolomine wins.

[haggoluc]

cigarettes are the worse and most dangerous drug in my book

[polymer]

probably mentioned it before...fentanyl analogues, like china white. unknowledgable junkies make their own deathbed with the stuff; easier to od on than any other drug on the street.
if that's not dangerous, I don't know what is. maybe I need to reconsider the meaning of the word.

[Gormur]

I guess it'd have to be belladonna, if that counts as a drug. It's basically pure poison. What could be more dangerous?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/belladonna/belladonna.shtml

[somenerdyfreak]

alcohol. seen many people go from that. besides, if u combine all illegal/prescription drugs they dont hold a candle to the amt. of deaths alcohol causes.

[Distant Lover]

I smoked marijuana for ten years. Now I drink beer and wine. What I have experienced, observed, and read tells me that alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. Twice I tried PCP. The first time was relaxing. The second time was scary, but not really terrifying. I have never tried meth, heroin, or cocain. I do not know anyone who has. Therefore, I do not have an expert opinion. I have read that they are very pleasurable and very addictive. For both reasons I am reluctant to legalize them. Many people would try them, like them, and become addicted. I do not think that possession for personal consumption should be punished with incarceration, however. I would like to move in the direction of legalizing marijuana.

[brokenteethxx]

I voted Meth.

I think Herion and Meth are though fersure

I have melted and shot opit. and smoked thy crystlys but I do not let it get me.

I have seen what that shit does to you, my cousin in fact does this shit and shes fucked man straight up, real nice girl but shit shses gotta cool it

[elover]

It's easily heroin and meth. Both make you lose weight, and one eventually makes you go crazy, and the other will have you vomiting from withdrawals.

[krainaoz]

meth together with heroin - both are so destructive...

[codemeister3]

I hate how meth has such a bad wrap! FUCK that. stimulants are mostly the same till u fuck with them too much. it just so happens meth can make u more fucked up before u die... so everyone needs to stop watchin fuckin commercials and grow a brain of your own. look up DESOXYN! GOD PLEASE GIVE ME PATIENCE

[junglejack]

methamphetamine- - not to popular on the east coast -(I don't think, I don't read much about it)
Never tried it- -it seems absolutely frightening. -

& Im an ex-heroin addict on methadone

[dubsmiley420]

peyote. wonderful experience, but extremely powerful. handle with extreme caution.

i voted heroin just because i've seen hard users and their withdrawls...it's just not for me.

hey, everyone's different, and the effect of a drug variates from user to user, it's all what you want it to be.

[PsyGrunge]

There's a new psychedelic to add to the table; allegedly killed users in sweden; although cause is not known (i.e. possibly mixed with other substances).
It's called Bromo-DragonFLY and from what I've heard and researched, the potency is much higher than LSD.

[WalkingContradiction]

Meth is by far the most dangerous. Just as addictive as Heroin and it does so much more to ruin your body and brain than Heroin.

If you can detox from Heroin and stay sober the long term affects are not nearly as bad as a long time Meth user.

[Skeetastic]

I would say meth, but since they prescribe in for obesity and severe ADHD, no. I'd go with crack. Between the fillers, the damage to the lungs, and addictive potential, it's one helluva substance

[PsyGrunge]

Meth is just skatty though. You'd have to of hit rock bottom plus a raping to want to go there.

Sad but true. Something must posess people to take the stuff. I mean, anything originally made with battery acid and filtered through a nappy is the devil's piss if you ask me.

[Feelings Of U4ia]

Alcohol. Alcohol poisoning is not uncommon. Although, it's not how much you drink that you have to worry about, it's what you DO while you are drunk. Like driving.

[5-MeO-AcF]

Overall Alcohol is definatly the most dangerous drug, due to causing the most deaths, and dangerous to mix with half of everything on the poll.

next to that i'de say Heroine, than meth.