0=1

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

If anyone is familiar with this Algebraic proof I suck at math and would like a laymans definition on how 1=2. It pisses me off, how can 1=2? This to my feeble math mind breaks the laws of everything. So now what is there to say 2+2 actually equals 4? Is math fake, seriously someone explain this to me.

a = x [a's and x's]
a+a = a+x [add a to both sides]
2a = a+x [a+a = 2a]
2a-2x = a+x-2x [subtract 2x from both sides]
2(a-x) = a+x-2x [2a-2x = 2(a-x)]
2(a-x) = a-x [x-2x = -x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by a-x]

[Natedog]

I know this is pretty absurd, is it not?? I mean, don't math buffs have ANYTHING BETTER to do with their time than cook up things like this??

I think the reason they do this is to make themselves look smart and others dumb, thus protecting themselves from discovery under the following famous observation:

Those who can, do
Those who can't, teach,
those who can't teach, teach teachers

Now, the breakdown of this algerbraic jibberish above is simply explained:

Assuming that A and X are the same number (say "2"), then you will see that on the last line:


2(a-x) = a-x [x-2x = -x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by a-x]


this calls for dividing both sides by "a-x". As A and X are the same, "a-x" would always be ZERO.

If you divide andy number by ZERO, the result is an indefinately huge number "infinity".

So any number or quanity, when divided by ZERO, is infinity, and so the terms of the equation can then be said, in theory, to be "the same".

Hope this helps. It took me a little whiole to ferret out how that works, because the proof does follow the laws.

[Tigerbeam]

I thought anything diveded by zero was invalid (impossible), not infinite?

[Natedog]

Yeah, that is basically true. In reality.

That is all that matters really. It is possible to explain "how" something divided by zero results in an infinitately large number, by looking at what happens when you divide a number by smaller and smaler amounts. the smaller the amount, the greater number of times it goes into the first number.

I know about this stuff, but I do not ever lose sight of REALITY either. There are more interesting things to find out asbout, believe me.

lol

[dd3stp233]

Isn't there some song that says "only in love does 2=1" ?

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

I sure hope not. Jk

[MikeE]

Yeah, that is basically true. In reality.

That is all that matters really. It is possible to explain "how" something divided by zero results in an infinitately large number, by looking at what happens when you divide a number by smaller and smaler amounts. the smaller the amount, the greater number of times it goes into the first number.

I know about this stuff, but I do not ever lose sight of REALITY either. There are more interesting things to find out asbout, believe me.

lol
NO!! In the math department, they drilled into the undergrads that you can never divide by zero. True statements like "1/x approaches infinity as x apporaches 0", get misinterpreted and misreported, but you never divide by zero.

Infinity is not a number, so it can not be the answer to a calculation.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

What does that mean. lol

Plus it doesn't have to be 0 it can be 1=2.
I thoguht it just proves how numberes really don't have a set value in reality, and its all relative.

[lucyinthesky]

Is math fake, seriously someone explain this to me.


lol...oh man, i'm crying.

[dd3stp233]

The simple reason is that the equation is done wrong, that is why you get the wrong answer.

[Natedog]

And so we see, there is no actual point or use to all this theory. The solution, of course, is to pop open a good beer and live life :)

[jo_k_er_man]

2+2=5

[MikeE]

Our jocular mocking of knowlege that we don't understand yet might explain the current political situation.

[yonosoymedico]

yes 1=0 because 0 is a perfect circle that never ends/infinite and so is the universe.. represented by the 1... so the universe is everything is 1.. which means its perfect, unending and cyclical represented by 0
1=0
one is perfect
1 = 0

[Natedog]

Thats deep, man ...


That's why I never made it in college ;)

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

So what about 1=2 though?

[MikeE]

If A=B then A+1=B+1. 0+1=1. 1+1=2.

QED

[Death]

If anyone is familiar with this Algebraic proof I suck at math and would like a laymans definition on how 1=2. It pisses me off, how can 1=2? This to my feeble math mind breaks the laws of everything. So now what is there to say 2+2 actually equals 4? Is math fake, seriously someone explain this to me.

a = x [a's and x's]
a+a = a+x [add a to both sides]
2a = a+x [a+a = 2a]
2a-2x = a+x-2x [subtract 2x from both sides]
2(a-x) = a+x-2x [2a-2x = 2(a-x)]
2(a-x) = a-x [x-2x = -x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by a-x]
a+a=2a

thats where it screws up. a+a might EQUAL 2a, but it dosent act like 2a. 2a is multiplication. you cant just switch the two around like that.

[MikeE]

a+a=2a

thats where it screws up. a+a might EQUAL 2a, but it dosent act like 2a. 2a is multiplication. you cant just switch the two around like that.
Yes, you can. That's what "=" means.

[Dude]

OH MY GOD... THIS MUST MEAN THAT THERE IS NO GOD

NO LOL REALLY

You can't divide by zero
explanation
if a=x than a-x=O
so if you replace the a-x with 0 in your equation you get
2(a-x)=a-x you get
2*0=0
and dividing by zero is undifined you cannot get the answer
thank you thank you

[_chris_]

yes 1=0 because 0 is a perfect circle that never ends/infinite and so is the universe.. represented by the 1... so the universe is everything is 1.. which means its perfect, unending and cyclical represented by 0
1=0
one is perfect
1 = 0
please do shut up

[Dude]

OH MY GOD... THIS MUST MEAN THAT THERE IS NO GOD

NO LOL REALLY

You can't divide by zero
explanation
if a=x than a-x=O
so if you replace the a-x with 0 in your equation you get
2(a-x)=a-x you get
2*0=0
and dividing by zero is undifined you cannot get the answer
thank you thank you
admire me admire me

[Death]

Yes, you can. That's what "=" means.

nopwe. a * 2 still = a+a, but they fall different on the PEMDAS system

[MikeE]

What is the PEMDAS system?

[Death]

order of operations


parenthesis
exponents
multiply
divide
add
subtract.

thats the order in which you are to calculate.

[MikeE]

Equals is not an operation. It is an equivilance relationship. The PEMDAS system is a convention that was established so that each side of an equation could be substitiuted freely for the other side.

[Death]

a = x [a's and x's]
a+a = a+x [add a to both sides]
2a = a+x [a+a = 2a]
2a-2x = a+x-2x [subtract 2x from both sides]
2(a-x) = a+x-2x [2a-2x = 2(a-x)]
2(a-x) = a-x [x-2x = -x]
2 = 1 [divide both sides by a-x]

in between lines 2 and 3 of the equation, a+a mysteriously turns into 2a. you cannot do that

[Dude]

yes you can, man you know shit about math

lets make it simple

5+5=10

2*5=10

tada

and btw i posted the solution long ago so

THREAD CLOSED

[StonerBill]

death, theyre right, the system you are using is totally thrown out the window when you look at algebra past grade 10.

as for this question, its a tricky one, but you cant divide by 0. the correct term for 'infinity' is 'indefinable' which is exactly what dividing by 0 is. all things divided by 0 are infinite, and thus cannot be defined from eachother. thus they are indefinable, and THUS you cant put an equals sign in front of them.

[StonerBill]

I know this is pretty absurd, is it not?? I mean, don't math buffs have ANYTHING BETTER to do with their time than cook up things like this??

I think the reason they do this is to make themselves look smart and others dumb, thus protecting themselves from discovery under the following famous observation:

Those who can, do
Those who can't, teach,
those who can't teach, teach teachers

just because you dont find much worthwhile in mathematics doesnt mean that these sorts of issues havnt DEFINED THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN. mathematics is the only stable thing in the universe. this is because we have defined it AS stability. there are no recordable relationships that are not based on mathematical principles on their most fundamental level. whether YOU care about them or not has no value in determining how worthwhile their study is.

what exactly are you suggesting that mathematicians cannot do, but teach? maths is what they do. you cant do it on most levels. and you probably couldnt teach it either.

[MikeE]

Natedog,

To math buffs, there is nothing better than cooking up things like this.

[Dude]

as for this question, its a tricky one, but you cant divide by 0. the correct term for 'infinity' is 'indefinable' .
yes, i said undefinable...

[Death]

yes you can, man you know shit about math

lets make it simple

5+5=10

2*5=10

tada

and btw i posted the solution long ago so

THREAD CLOSED
i need to see some proof that you can just change operations whenever you want, just because they are equal.

[MikeE]

i need to see some proof that you can just change operations whenever you want, just because they are equal.
It can't be done.

Your desire for that certainty is understandable, but unattainable. The core of the problem is an axiom of symbolic logic.

What you are looking for is the Axiom Schema of replacement which says that
if A is a well formed formula (wff) with a free variable x, then the replacement of every instance of x with a wff B, in which x does not appear, is a wff.

This is an axiom and, hence, unprovable.

[StonerBill]

the core of the problem is notunderstanding what '+' and 'x' mean.

it is a fundamental rule that 2a = a + a, 5a = a+a+a+a+a

just like a^2 = a x a , a^5 = a x a x a x a x a

this is what the symbols were invented for, so that each article in subject does not have to be rewritten

[StonerBill]

yes, i said undefinable...
good work?

?

[Dude]

?

[Death]

It can't be done.

Your desire for that certainty is understandable, but unattainable. The core of the problem is an axiom of symbolic logic.

What you are looking for is the Axiom Schema of replacement which says that
if A is a well formed formula (wff) with a free variable x, then the replacement of every instance of x with a wff B, in which x does not appear, is a wff.

This is an axiom and, hence, unprovable.
then i cant believe you.

its like the one thing. "This sentence is a lie."

[Dude]

then i cant believe you.

its like the one thing. "This sentence is a lie."
Holy shit i can't believe this

[MikeE]

It seems that Death does not understand that axioms and definitions are unprovable. If he is serious, he will follow the same path that Hilbert, Cantor, and Russell did.

[Death]

im not a math genious. i just do not belive you guys. i need a "facts guy". i dont know how to prove you wrong, but im sure someone can dig up some facts to back me up.

SOMEONE HELP ME OUT PLEASE!!!

[natural23]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Apprentice
Is math fake, seriously someone explain this to me.


Lucy, I'm with you. POWERFUL ROFLMAOWPIMP, tears streaming down my cheeks. Wonderful comment ! Nimrod you are beautiful.




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[Dude]

ok death

here's proof

take a candy
ok?
now take another one
ok?
good

so now you have 2

it means that you had 1+1 and got2

so candy+candy= 2 candies a + a = 2a

could it be anymore simple???

if you're still not satisfied
than just forget about it

[Death]

the operations may be equal, but they dont act the same,

aah, fuckit

[natural23]

1vegetable + 1meat = 0rock

1vegetable + 1meat = 2food

1rock <> 0rock




.

[MoonMaiden]

I was going to explain why it doesn't work but it seems everyone has beaten me too it! My maths teacher showed me this last year sometime.

[Dude]

yes they do act the same, what do you even mean by act???? if two thing are equal then you can replace them and shift them as you wish because it makes no difference

[StonerBill]

yes they do act the same, what do you even mean by act???? if two thing are equal then you can replace them and shift them as you wish because it makes no difference
yes and this forms the basis to a hell of a lot of higher mathematical principles

[natureslaze]

I thought anything diveded by zero was invalid (impossible), not infinite?true, my friend came up with a very similar proof then proved himself wrong i was the only one to catch it, even his dad who is good at math dident catch it. by the way im a total dumb ass when it comes to math.

either way we asked our physics teacher to see if she would catch it, she dident even look past step 2 and was like it will never be posible and that was that.

[StonerBill]

i want to tell you a story

infinite = unusable number = invalid number

same thing, just words referring to different aspects of the value. infinite actually refers to set of numbers, and the number of components within is indefinable. infinite implies that it is impossible because it no longer has any relative value.

if you imagine a block of wood 10 metres long, and cut sections 5 metres long, the number of block you would have is 10/5 = 2.
the smaller the section is, the more pieces you can get out of the block. but there will always be a certain number, which you can determine by dividing 10 by the length of block that you will cut out. therefor if you keep getting smaller pieces, you will yield more blocks, but with any value you put, you will get ana nswer unless you put 0 as teh length of block because then there is theoretically no limit to the amount of lbocks you can cut since 10 - 0 = 10. 10 - 0*k = 10 (where k is any value), there will always be more block to cut these theoretical sections, but as we can see, there is no actual way to cut the segments into a length of 0, thus the segment length is invalid (impossible), and hence the number of segments is also invalid/impossible in this real world sense.

10/0 = 100/0 = 74,938/0 = .5/0 = 1/0 = an invalid value = infinite quantity/measure = cannot be split into finite parts (since taking away parts of value 0 yields no change in total value) = indefinable value

theyre all the same

blocks

[Gh0sTiNnyc]

Is math fake, seriously someone explain this to me.


you figured it out... fake all along

[dd3stp233]

This link explains it through a very similar equation.


http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/55792.html