Language fun!

[logicalway]

I love babelfish!


http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_ru&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hipforums.com%2fforums%2f

[Trickster]

It might sound mean, but there was this shit of a guy who used to insult us on our uni chat board. We started using babel to insult in in other languages. He was so annoyed that he couldn't understand, it's also fun to speak another language (kinda) with a friend, then figure out what they said :p



I love babelfish!


http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_ru&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hipforums.com%2fforums%2f

[junkyman420]

this reminds me of last friday when i ate mushrooms with some friends and practically devoted our trips to dismantling the structure of the english language. thas right, lil wodie.

[Trickster]

Some nationalities do that anyway when they speak ;) Joking, Joking


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this reminds me of last friday when i ate mushrooms with some friends and practically devoted our trips to dismantling the structure of the english language. thas right, lil wodie.

[SageDreamer]

Babelfish is endlessly entertaining. It's fun to take song lyrics or advertising messages and put them in one language and then into another and finally get all sorts of nonsense back. The phrase "give me a break" becomes "give me a rupture." The Kit Kat commercial came out something like:

Give me a rupture, give me a rupture
Break from me a piece of that bar of a kat of a kit

[lionface]

this reminds me of last friday when i ate mushrooms with some friends and practically devoted our trips to dismantling the structure of the english language. thas right, lil wodie.

Me and my mate got really philosophical like and dismantled the english language until we were left with I.

Heres how it went: i started off by saying that indescribable was an adjective. The beginning of the end! How can something be indescribable if you can describe it with indescribable. Following on from this we removed that along with the now redundant word describable. We thought then that we should hit the nail on the head by attacking illogical. We said that it was illogical not to have logic, and so illogical was illogical and therefore might as well not be there. Logic now followed describable into the realms of redundancy. But, we said, is it not logical to gather words together into a dictionary? There it was. The entire english language. Kapput. All gone except from I as that is entirely introspective and would be there even if there was no dictionary.

Thanks for listening to this remarkable theatrical reproduction of my most philosophical moment.

cheers
lionface

[Trickster]

In reference to you're, "there's no ordinary cup of tea" :eek:





Me and my mate got really philosophical like and dismantled the english language until we were left with I.

Heres how it went: i started off by saying that indescribable was an adjective. The beginning of the end! How can something be indescribable if you can describe it with indescribable. Following on from this we removed that along with the now redundant word describable. We thought then that we should hit the nail on the head by attacking illogical. We said that it was illogical not to have logic, and so illogical was illogical and therefore might as well not be there. Logic now followed describable into the realms of redundancy. But, we said, is it not logical to gather words together into a dictionary? There it was. The entire english language. Kapput. All gone except from I as that is entirely introspective and would be there even if there was no dictionary.

Thanks for listening to this remarkable theatrical reproduction of my most philosophical moment.

cheers
lionface

[all_rhodesian_reject]

ah yes russian......my friends russian :eek:

[TrippinBTM]

Me and my mate got really philosophical like and dismantled the english language until we were left with I.


I totally did that a week or so ago when I was stoned! I got to thinking how ANY sentence always comes back to subject, verb, object. And how third person implies second person (to talk about a third person, you need a second person to talk to), and how second person implies first person (to talk to someone else, you have to be there talking).

Any sentence, such as "I walk to the store" then, can be further sifted out, getting rid of the object or object phrase (a sort of second or third person element which implies the first person, the speaker). You get "I walk" but that's not it, because for me to do anything, I have to exist, it's the initial precondition. "I am". But perhaps it can go further. If "I am" perhaps "I am not" is an option. Still more sifting to do. You end up with "I".

Language boils down to hidden implications that all refer back to the self. Know the self, and you know all language can describe, and more.

I was stoned as hell on some primo weed, and I think I had an experience of satori. I can't describe it, because as you can see, I wasn't dealing in language's terms anymore at that point.

That's cool how we sorta came to the same conclusion. :)

[lionface]

We approached it in very different ways somehow though. My main emphasis was on eradicating words and yours was on the logical boiling down of language to the self. This is all very interesting. Thinking about it your method probably makes more sense ;)

[sandman]

le croque monsieur

[lionface]

In reference to you're, "there's no ordinary cup of tea" :eek:

Thats the topic me and my friend talked about and laughed histerically about for 5 hours on shrooms. Shroom tea you see. The best beverage on earth.

[Rybear]

Wow, deconstructing language...here's one. I live in germany. I can speak +some+ german. On mushrooms, that ability becomes distorted. (I normally eat the mexicans). A friend of mine has a generally keen intellect but is my greatest victim on mushrooms. The next time you trip, start making tons of irrelevant or illogical statements and tie them together with whatever comes to mind, you cna prove yourself right by pointing out that non living things have never died or some such bull. It's entertaining to watch a fellow ex colleague in intelligence work suddenly become redused to the philospophical standards of a six year old.
have fun. ry

[lionface]

Cheers for the tip man ill have to try that verry soon;)

[TrippinBTM]

We approached it in very different ways somehow though. My main emphasis was on eradicating words and yours was on the logical boiling down of language to the self. This is all very interesting. Thinking about it your method probably makes more sense ;)
Yet we still ended up in the same place. Which stands to reason, if all this is true, that no matter way you tackle it, you end up in the same place. Frikkin deep, man...

[lionface]

Really deep. I like this conversation. I need to do shrooms again.

[lionface]

TrippinBTM did you draw that pic in your sig yourself. It's f*cking good. I wouldn't mind having that as a tattoo.

[TrippinBTM]

no, i found it online, here: www.yavanna.co.uk

[BraveSirRubin]

That is one of the worst translators online. (All of them are shit.. but this one takes the pot).

[Trickster]

For 5 hours? I thought you only talked about cricket for that long :p



Thats the topic me and my friend talked about and laughed histerically about for 5 hours on shrooms. Shroom tea you see. The best beverage on earth.

[lionface]

Cheers for the link trippinbtm.

Trickster we made shroom tea and then drank the shroom tea. 20 mins later we were in his room and getting ready for bed (where we stayed for 5 hours!) and all we could manage to say was: "that was no oorrdinary cup of tea" and the only other thing we did was laugh. Hope that makes it clearer for you;).

cheers,
lionface

[Trickster]

3 cheers for the smartie pants then



Cheers for the link trippinbtm.

Trickster we made shroom tea and then drank the shroom tea. 20 mins later we were in his room and getting ready for bed (where we stayed for 5 hours!) and all we could manage to say was: "that was no oorrdinary cup of tea" and the only other thing we did was laugh. Hope that makes it clearer for you;).

cheers,
lionface

[StonerBill]

i dunno bout you guys but i think language is made out to be more than it is. words are replacable, any word can be described with a number of other words. if it couldnt... then what would it be? if you cant describe a word using other words then what does the word mean?

I = me = the person who is not everybody else, etc.

i was thinkning earlier.. how do you describe the word 'celebrate'? you could describe it with ways you can celebrate.. but how do you.. actually define the word?

the dictionary just gives examples of celebrations. now we all know when we use the word what we are referring to.. but celebrate is a word that cant be minimised any further. the dictionary says:

mark with festivities (thats one way to celebrate)
perform publicly and duty (another)
officiate at (another sue of the word)
engage in festivities usually after a special event (another way of saying 'mark with festivities')


so as you can see, the word celebrate is one of many (well i dont know how many, maybew its not heaps) words that cannot be described in any simpler terms or even by another word that means the same thing.

what does this mean? well it just shows what words are. tags for thoughts. all they are are a tool to communicate what we think to other people. theres nothing magical or even philosophically metaphysical about language, imo. theyre just aural symbols. and since our world is sop stuck up on language, thoughts that arent turned into language often confuse people and give false impressions as to what thought actually is, what the differnc ebetween man and animal is, and what instincts mean

[Trickster]

Semantics

Your boys better win on wednesday mate. I'm a VIC and hate the Maroons, do me proud. Orford better be picked at half-back as well, bloody Kimmorley :p


i dunno bout you guys but i think language is made out to be more than it is. words are replacable, any word can be described with a number of other words. if it couldnt... then what would it be? if you cant describe a word using other words then what does the word mean?

I = me = the person who is not everybody else, etc.

i was thinkning earlier.. how do you describe the word 'celebrate'? you could describe it with ways you can celebrate.. but how do you.. actually define the word?

the dictionary just gives examples of celebrations. now we all know when we use the word what we are referring to.. but celebrate is a word that cant be minimised any further. the dictionary says:

mark with festivities (thats one way to celebrate)
perform publicly and duty (another)
officiate at (another sue of the word)
engage in festivities usually after a special event (another way of saying 'mark with festivities')


so as you can see, the word celebrate is one of many (well i dont know how many, maybew its not heaps) words that cannot be described in any simpler terms or even by another word that means the same thing.

what does this mean? well it just shows what words are. tags for thoughts. all they are are a tool to communicate what we think to other people. theres nothing magical or even philosophically metaphysical about language, imo. theyre just aural symbols. and since our world is sop stuck up on language, thoughts that arent turned into language often confuse people and give false impressions as to what thought actually is, what the differnc ebetween man and animal is, and what instincts mean

[Sax_Machine]

First of all, I and me are NOT the same. There's a very good reason for having both words in the language.

Secondly, as far as celebrate is concerned, people describe it all the time. Just go up to someone on a saturday or sunday and ask them what they did the night before. They should be able to tell you a lot (or a little depending on how much they had) without using the word celebrate. Actually I think the simple verb to party covers the intransitive side of celebrate. The transitive part is much easier as you have plenty of verbs such as commemorate, mark, enjoy, etc.

[Trickster]

I and Me are the same in that you are talking about yourself. The difference comes, when you're talking about context. For instance, saying "you and i" is said to be proper english,rather than "you and me"



First of all, I and me are NOT the same. There's a very good reason for having both words in the language.

Secondly, as far as celebrate is concerned, people describe it all the time. Just go up to someone on a saturday or sunday and ask them what they did the night before. They should be able to tell you a lot (or a little depending on how much they had) without using the word celebrate. Actually I think the simple verb to party covers the intransitive side of celebrate. The transitive part is much easier as you have plenty of verbs such as commemorate, mark, enjoy, etc.

[Sax_Machine]

not quite. There are plenty of occasions where "you and me" is more correct than "you and I". It has to do with the subject and object. I and me represent the same noun, as it were, but they represent it in different ways, and so they do not mean the same thing.

You can't say "he will come and meet you and I tomorrow." It's not correct. You would say "he will come and meet you and me tomorrow." Therefore I and me are not the same.

[Trickster]

Yes they represent in different ways. Like i said, it depends on the context.



not quite. There are plenty of occasions where "you and me" is more correct than "you and I". It has to do with the subject and object. I and me represent the same noun, as it were, but they represent it in different ways, and so they do not mean the same thing.

You can't say "he will come and meet you and I tomorrow." It's not correct. You would say "he will come and meet you and me tomorrow." Therefore I and me are not the same.

[Sax_Machine]

By the way. It's AS I said, not like. ;)

[Trickster]

Oohh right, game on buddy :X

"Like" as in "similar" to what i said. But yes, you can say it your way as well :p


By the way. It's AS I said, not like. ;)

[Sax_Machine]

Like I said is just wrong. Sorry. You CAN say Like what I was saying.

[Trickster]

I'm reminded of a saying "i realise that i may not always be right, but i am never wrong" ;)

and, the POMS suck at cricket :D Had to, sorry.


Like I said is just wrong. Sorry. You CAN say Like what I was saying.

[Sax_Machine]

I'm not bothered about Cricket. Then again I'm more Irish than English, especially at heart.

So I'm not too bothered about the world cup final either. That Johnny Wilkinson kick doesn't mean anything like as much to me as losing quarter final against the fucking frogs. If Shane Horgan hadn't dropped that ball over the try-line against your mob in the group stage, things would have been very different.


oh and how the fuck did the sheepshaggers win the grand slam?

I learnt an important lesson in life from an Aussie in Barcelona last week, the head of the company whose UK distributors I work for. He told us, "You don't have a relationshp with someone until you can tell them to get fucked!". I'll never forget those words. Git facked!

[Trickster]

HA HA HA you're making me laugh, i'd love to hear you say that Aussie talk in person to see what you sound like.


As for the Kiwis winning, obviously a total fluke. You know, they were so sure of making the world cup final that they kept 2 hours spare during some sports awards. Boo Hoo, we kicked their arse in that semi, never knock an Aussie.

The only reason England won that final was for Wilko. Robinson scored your only try i think in that game. If Wilko had been injured you wouldn't have made it half way through that comp.

The Frogs are eye gauging bastards. They tried that against us in the final years ago. How satisfied were we to cream them.

Bed time for me :)

[Sax_Machine]

Do you use skype? If so, it can be arranged. I can tell you to Git Facked all night long.

Of course I love talking about international rugby but since most of my non-working life is taken up by following my football team, I just don't have the time to get into the domestic side of it in my own country, never mind other countries. Although I hear that in New Zealand, local news is Rugby, national news is Rugby and international news is Australian Rugby.

And am I right in thinking when you say football in Australia, you mean Rugby, not Aussie Rules, but when you say footie it IS Aussie Rules? Football, Footie, it's all the same here. Except we don't call it soccer like the yanks and yourselves do. That's a silly name. :) Not quite as silly as yank sports though.

[Trickster]

Well Pom, depending on the state you're from, footy can mean either AFL or Rugby League. I'm a VIC so, Footy is AFL, League is Rugby League and Union is obvious. So that said, Soccer has to be Soccer, we have too many Football codes.



I love sport, maybe you can tell and which is a surprise to blokes.
Ah yes the Yanks. They think they're so tough but wear all that tight, girly lookin' leotard crap and all that protection. They wouldn't last playing our kinda Rugby :p

[Sax_Machine]

What do you mean our kind? There's only one kind. ok, there're two but the yanks don't play either of them.

I've ranted about yankball on many occasions.

All that armour they wear makes them think they're invincible so they go in harder for much more stupid tackles, most of them ridiculously high. Also the armour does even more damage to the other player than it prevents. The rules are ridiculous. You hoof the ball the full length of the pitch to someone already over the try line who just has to drop it, while the other team try to tackle players off the ball, but are handed off by the team-mates of the player with the ball. i mean, how lazy is that - you get your team-mates to do the handing off for you. What a joke! Then there's all the substitutions and intervals arranged for the tv-companies to get more adverts in. Apparantly they wanted to play 3 30 minute periods in the 94 world cup for the same reason. muppets! Oh and players or managers can shout "time out" up to three times during a game and get play suspended there and then. very handy if you're about to concede during a tight match I'd have thought.

[Trickster]

I'm not surprised by the yanks.

Look at the superbowl, it's about the "spectacle" rather than the game. More people watch that, than care about who wins or plays well. Americans play baseball, gridiron and basketball. They think they are the best sporting nation in the world but that's crap. They equate excellence with popularity. Bullshit. They're not the world's best in basketball even though they may have one of the best comps, they're not the world champions in baseball i don't think, we could beat them in a game of rugby/gridiron.

Australia rules sport :D

[Sax_Machine]

Joe Yank: Sure, but we win the world series every year!


*snigger*


Yep, let them keep inventing unique sports that no-one else wants to play so they can be world champions at them.

It's basically Netball, Rounders and Rugby without rules.

[Trickster]

Rounders, jesus does that remind me of primary school :eek: Playing tee ball as well. Yeah bugger the yanks, they have big mouths not ability.
Now i reeeeeeeeeeeeally have to go to bed. I have to get up early to study for exams on monday/tuesday then we have a month off. Can't wait :cool:

[Sax_Machine]

Well I was going to say I felt very bad for keeping you up late, especially over something as trivial as yankball.

Exams you say? Are you not 24 then? Or does that mean you're going for some great big fuckoff posh medical qualification? Anyway, good luck!

[Trickster]

I always am up late so don't feel bad about that.
I'm at uni, it's first semester exam time. I'm doing a year of a Bachelor of Arts/Bachelor of Science combined degree to get me into a double degree of Bachelor of Criminal Psychology/Bachelor of Forensic Science. The uni's for this type of discipline are very hard to get into so i'm doing all i can. I was doing a Sociology/Biomedical double major but i changed my mind.

You mentioned your type of work, is it rewarding?


Well I was going to say I felt very bad for keeping you up late, especially over something as trivial as yankball.

Exams you say? Are you not 24 then? Or does that mean you're going for some great big fuckoff posh medical qualification? Anyway, good luck!

[Sax_Machine]

Certainly is. I'm on a placement year before I do my fibnal year at uni, on a course in music and sound recording. At the moment I'm working for the UK distributor of an Australian company, Fairlight who make kit used in tv/film post-production. I help with sales, demos, services, and even building the stuff. Last week they took me out to Barcelona for the Audio Engineering Society trade show. Good stuff!

[Trickster]

Aussie company eh? How do you find that compared with working with poms?



Certainly is. I'm on a placement year before I do my fibnal year at uni, on a course in music and sound recording. At the moment I'm working for the UK distributor of an Australian company, Fairlight who make kit used in tv/film post-production. I help with sales, demos, services, and even building the stuff. Last week they took me out to Barcelona for the Audio Engineering Society trade show. Good stuff!

[Sax_Machine]

Well I do work with poms all the time. We communicate with Sydney HQ via email, but last week was the first time I'd met any of the Oz contingent, and one of them was a yank.

[Trickster]

ah yanks. Did ya run mile? It's good you like your industry. Sydney hey or Snydney as i call it. Can't stand the place, people think it's the only place in Oz :rolleyes:



Well I do work with poms all the time. We communicate with Sydney HQ via email, but last week was the first time I'd met any of the Oz contingent, and one of them was a yank.

[Sax_Machine]

Well to us pomms there are only about 3 cities in Oz and we don't really know the difference and I've never been anywhere near any of them. I've got relatives in Melbourne though.

[Trickster]

It's just annoying how all yank shows that feature Oz, are set in sydney, they go to sydney, follow a bad guy to sydney. The worst is when folks try to do an Aussie accent. NEWSFLASH. No-one can except us, maybe the kiwis. All people do is end up sounding cockney. Remember the Aussie Simpsons episode? At least use Aussie actors please :$ How about that character in Jag that was Aussie. They names him Mick Brumby. Mick (as in Dundee) Brumby (a wild horse that runs wild and free down here) Oh give me strength.
Enough of my rant Saxxy.

Where abouts are your folks in VIC, i'm from there originally. I'm still one i should say :)


Well to us pomms there are only about 3 cities in Oz and we don't really know the difference and I've never been anywhere near any of them. I've got relatives in Melbourne though.

[Sax_Machine]

No idea. All I ever hear is Melbourne. There are plenty of pomms who can do ozzies. I've been immitating the head of Fairlight and his "Git facked" remarks all week :). And if we should give the yanks some credit, at least they've found a way to do cockney, even if it wasn't what they meant. After Dick Van Dyke, I'd never have thought it possible.

[Trickster]

Tell me you don't like Mary Poppins. I'll lose all respect for ya otherwise :p

[Sax_Machine]

Well my main problem with Mary Poppins, other than the Dick Van Dyke catastrophe is that with the possible exception of the police constable, every male character in the film is made to look stupid at some point. What sort of message can that be sending to young children? It's probably why English men have grown up to be such pansies. Too scared of being called a sexist and letting women (starting with their mothers) boss them around their whole life. Well excepting of course the complete cunts you get around the place.

[Trickster]

oooohh, the one word i can't stand hearing :) Yeash i guess a lot of poms are a bit uh girly? Shit you know what i mean. Weaklings. And white as chalk.
Sorry, but you can usually tell a pom in the crowd but at least that;s the good thing about many of you coming down here. The sun :-)

So tell me, are you one of those with a hard on for Neighbours and Home and Away? Would you ever come and do a bus tour of Ramsay St :p I have a pen pal who i used to write to, she lives in Hatfield. She always asked me what was happening.

Well my main problem with Mary Poppins, other than the Dick Van Dyke catastrophe is that with the possible exception of the police constable, every male character in the film is made to look stupid at some point. What sort of message can that be sending to young children? It's probably why English men have grown up to be such pansies. Too scared of being called a sexist and letting women (starting with their mothers) boss them around their whole life. Well excepting of course the complete cunts you get around the place.

[Sax_Machine]

Hatfield! I work just a few miles away from there!

I watched neighbours during my school days when I would come home and turm the telly on. Stopped watching Home and Away whilst still at primary school. I've not seen an episode of either for many years now. My sister on the other hand, she started neighbours soc at Oxford university in her first year. Just an excuse to get together with her mates at lunch time and watch it. Don't think she kept it up though.

Oh and tell me something. What was it your great-great-granddad did to get deported? A lot of Aussies seem to be quite proud of it.

[Trickster]

Funny coincidence :)
Yep, a lot of people get weird over neighboure especially when Kylie was still in it. Do you watch Kath and Kim? Apparently it's going great over there.

Maybe i'm tired, but you'll have to explain the last comment. Who was deported?


Hatfield! I work just a few miles away from there!

I watched neighbours during my school days when I would come home and turm the telly on. Stopped watching Home and Away whilst still at primary school. I've not seen an episode of either for many years now. My sister on the other hand, she started neighbours soc at Oxford university in her first year. Just an excuse to get together with her mates at lunch time and watch it. Don't think she kept it up though.

Oh and tell me something. What was it your great-great-granddad did to get deported? A lot of Aussies seem to be quite proud of it.

[Sax_Machine]

I don't watch a lot of telly at the moment. Well I do, but it's old telly that has been made available as digitial video files on filesharing networks. Perfectly fair game if you've paid your license fee as far as I'm concerned. Heard vaguely of Kath and Kim, but not even enough to know it's Australian.

Oh and the deporting thing, well isn't that how Australia got colonised? Every Aussie who isn't an Aborigine surely descended from deported convicts, or did they?

[Trickster]

There were Free Settlers. People who chose to go to Australia to make a new, better life. For instance, Adelaide was home to many free settlers, not convicts.
My ancestors are english/irish (don't tell anyone) ;)



I don't watch a lot of telly at the moment. Well I do, but it's old telly that has been made available as digitial video files on filesharing networks. Perfectly fair game if you've paid your license fee as far as I'm concerned. Heard vaguely of Kath and Kim, but not even enough to know it's Australian.

Oh and the deporting thing, well isn't that how Australia got colonised? Every Aussie who isn't an Aborigine surely descended from deported convicts, or did they?