New World Order (Read Instructions Before Voting)

[Nalencer]

This poll is intended to gauge the general opinion of the New World Order ideas. I have recently found that there are a lot more people hip to this information than I had thought. I see a new face or two every day that agrees with me in general theme and important details, if not every detail. So, I wanted to see just how many people are into this information.

An explanation of the two levels cited in the poll:

Level 1 - The Human Conspiracy - The idea that the world is run in a pyramid structure of major organizations which are all controlled from the top by a small group of wealthy individuals. These people aim to create a global fascist empire, like Nazi Germany, or worse.

Level 2 - The Alien Connection - The idea that these "people" at the top of the pyramid are actually extraterrestrials of a primarily reptilian form, but can also take human form.

If you choose Level 2, it will be assumed you are also in agreement with Level 1. If I saw any way you could accept Level 2 and not Level 1, I wouldn't say this.

[Lying in a field]

Hmmmmm, maybe i should have put not sure.

I don't mind the new world order theory.

What i fucking detest is when hipforumers use it to justify their own mad condemnation of every fucking belief on the planet except for their own. When seeing this behaviour it makes me wonder whether the theories are simply an intellectually pragmatic tool for the close minded.

Nalancer i'm yet to gauge your attitude but i've found MOST people in your little (or perhaps big) tend to be quite reasonable...and i hope this is duly noted because i'm often accused of attacking people because "I don't like anyone who doesn't think like me", well thats half bullshit, its vice versa so pull your head out of your ass whoever wants to say such a ludicrous thing.

[Nalencer]

This is purely about the ideas, not how they're used. Some folks do take it to the extreme to comdemn other people. I like to think I'm rebutting their ideas, not condemning them. But it can get annoying when people don't consider, as I stated in another thread today. In my opinion it is removing the second step from Listen > Consider > Reply.

And your viewpoint is duly noted, ask asked :p

[Lying in a field]

Well good...of course its subjective, but if I feel a person is using any belief stance to conveniently promote a very limited mindset, then they will feel my wrath ;) But if you want to believe in the NWO because you feel the evidence weighs up and not because you need it to proliferate right wing bullshit then I respect you.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

I chose 2 only cuz i somewhat believe that in the end cuz it makes the most sense to me, but when it comes to arguments or talking to people i stick w level one just because you can prove that much more easily because its where the proof is.

[Nalencer]

Fair enough. I agree that Level 1 is much more provable.

[themnax]

a religeously sanctioned world government proposed in 1863, a concept that has since been hijacked. proposed by a reveraler of a religeon that fulfilled prophesies of ALL major religeons previously existing.

none of the other things mentioned that the term was hijacked by and for have/had diddly to do with it.

"the earth is one country and mankind it's citizens"
(i think you can see why soverignty fanatics would want to hijack and subvert the concept)

=^^=
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[TrippinBTM]

I voted one, though I don't buy ALL of the conspiracys. But clearly there are people working very hard for a NWO, there is a lot of concentrated power, and such things have happened before (perhaps not on the same scale though). The technology is so advanced now, the reach so global, that it is now possible for such a global sort of NWO.

I've never seen any credible evidence for alien overlords though, and it is so far from likely as to be absurd. I mean, sure, it's POSSIBLE, but be serious...

[SageDreamer]

The small group of wealthy individuals would have to be quite small. Otherwise, they are likely to have trouble working together. When there's so much power and there are so many goodies at stake, there would be more incentive to work for your own good rather than that small group.

[r33f3r_m4dn3ss]

Please refer to this post

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153935

[Nalencer]

The small group of wealthy individuals would have to be quite small. Otherwise, they are likely to have trouble working together. When there's so much power and there are so many goodies at stake, there would be more incentive to work for your own good rather than that small group.

This is true. I once heard the bloodline families compared to a group of bank robbers. They all agree on the plan but can't decide how to share the spoils. There is much infighting between the different factions of the Illuminati.

[Tigerbeam]

I beleive that level 1 is being attempted all the time, but it always fails.

[Nalencer]

Wow. So far the believers are in the majority. It wouldn't have thunk it. Then again, Pointbreak, matthew and Balbus sorta stalk my threads and make it seem like there's more of than there are.

[PLyTheMan]

I voted one, though I don't buy ALL of the conspiracys. But clearly there are people working very hard for a NWO, there is a lot of concentrated power, and such things have happened before (perhaps not on the same scale though). The technology is so advanced now, the reach so global, that it is now possible for such a global sort of NWO.

I've never seen any credible evidence for alien overlords though, and it is so far from likely as to be absurd. I mean, sure, it's POSSIBLE, but be serious...

That's pretty much my opinion. I dont know to what extent the NWO actually exists, if the Rothchilds and Co. are really running this country, etc etc. I think of the NWO more as a concept that we are slowly moving to, whether all the powers that be are working together to move it there or if the powers that be are just working in their own ways and happening to bring us there, but it is where we are heading.

As for aliens... that just starts to get a bit far fetched for me. Hell, I even believe that aliens can travel to our planet and maybe have even abducted people, but to be shape shifting lizards infiltrating our planet to harvest us as slaves in their war against the gray aliens, this is just getting to be a bit much. David Icke went to South America, did some crazy tribal drugs, and came back writing about aliens and conspiracies. It is pretty fun to read through, but I leave that at entertainment.

[Nalencer]

Actually, from what I can find, the greys ARE reptilians. Apparently it's a suit. I'm not positive though. Apparently in Africa sometimes tribespeople find them dead. Normally they're carried away, either by their own or by official looking people. But once in awhile they get one back to camp and havegotten the suit off of it, and found a pinkish reptilian being inside (dead of course). It's cool stuff, but read as entertainment it's a bit hard to grasp. You gotta be open to believing it before you can.

[Lying in a field]

I heard the greys were enemies of the reptilians.

Are there different factions working for different races? Who is helping the government develop its superior technology? And who are the men in black and why do they have mysterious properties?

I'm serious, i've read about this stuff and its really interesting. I thought the greys we're the good guys and the reptilians were bad and harvesting humans for meat.

[Nalencer]

The basic ideas about the greys are either that they're slaves of the reptilians or are reptilians in suits, as I said before. I myself can't say. They have been reported to have somewhat of a hive mentality, like ants. I would tend to lean toward the slave idea, but the other is not to be ruled out. So I'm not sure.

There are many races who have many different agendas for this planet. There are the negative-aligned reptilians, who at present have quite a bit of control here. However, there are others. I know there is a race of tall, blonde-haired, blue-eyed beings who are said to resonate light or something along those lines. I have read tales of these entities being positively and negatively aligned, so I'd say there are different factions within this race. And beyond that, I do not know. I could find out with some research, but I don't have as much time as I'd like for research. I do know there are many forces working for the benefit of this planet, as well as to it's detriment.

The superior technology I believe is that of the reptilians. I know they are a very advanced race, and what they have allowed into the public eye is but a tiny sampling of the technology they control on this planet and on others.

As for the men in black, it's hard to say. I've done little reading into their identity. I have read several stories of peoples experiences with them, but I would tend to think they may be negatively aligned members of the Noric race I mentioned earlier. Whatever they are, they are bad news.

And I can say without worry that the greys are not the good guys. As I said, they are on the side of the reptilians, whether they're slaves or actually are reptilians, I know not.

[Pressed_Rat]

I believe the Illuminati bloodlines are of an alien origin.

[Pressed_Rat]

Ever heard of Sherry Shriner, Nalencer?

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/

http://www.sherryshriner.com/

[Nalencer]

I too believe the bloodlines are of alien origin. And I'll check out those links, thanks.

[Art Delfo]

I voted level one

I don't think Aleins are to intrested in ruling us, mabye studying us

[Capn_Danger]

Awwww, I love the NWO! Randy Savage, Bret Hart and an EVIL Hulk Hogan? Kick-ass! NWO 4 life! Woooooooo!

Oh, wait a second, aliens? Uhhhh...nevermind :confused:

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

Sept.11,1991.

"What is at stake,is more than one small country.It is a big idea...A NEW WORLD ORDER.Where diverse nations,are drawn together in common cause,to achieve the universal asperations of mankind." -President George Bush Senior

The New World Order is here.

[Lying in a field]

You my friend are a gullible idiot.

[Nalencer]

You my friend are a gullible idiot.

Why?

[Lying in a field]

Because every time a world leader uses the phrase "new world order" it is hardly worth considering as evidence.

Its a cheap tactic.

[Nalencer]

True, but it is interesting when one known to be involved in such plans speaks of a new world order. I see signifigance in that coming from father Bush.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F8UPM2tNML4

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NZlt9JU8xqE

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a0dQCFrBtuk

The New World Order has BEEN here!

Whoever voted "it's bullshit" is full of it themselves.Wake up people!

[ChinaCatSunflower02]

this is CRAZY shit!

like, i've heard vaguely of the New World Order but i didn't know all this shit about aliens and crap! this stuff is soo interesting. i didn't even know the Men In Black were real and i had no idea that the movie had something to actually do with it.

does Sept. 11, 2001 have to do with the NWO?

[ChinaCatSunflower02]

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:nMS8K4d7HBMJ:educate-yourself.org/nwo/+new+world+order&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

this shit is fucking disturbing. and it's probably true too. i heard that the hippies were given pot by the cia so they would relax and not revolt against the government. what if i'm one of people being mind controlled?

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

watch the 3rd video I posted.

[Nalencer]

Yes, 9/11 had much to do with the NWO. So did the London bombings. It's a classic tactic. They were perpetrated by the government in order to create fear and therefore lower resistance to their plans signifigantly. See the Patriot Act for what kind of plans I mean.

And of course, in the London subway, a few months after the bombings, the police held a Brazilian man to the ground and shot him seven times in the head. None of them have been charged. Shows what a few "terrorist" attacks can do to the public psyche.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

a religeously sanctioned world government proposed in 1863, a concept that has since been hijacked. proposed by a reveraler of a religeon that fulfilled prophesies of ALL major religeons previously existing.

none of the other things mentioned that the term was hijacked by and for have/had diddly to do with it.

"the earth is one country and mankind it's citizens"
(i think you can see why soverignty fanatics would want to hijack and subvert the concept)

=^^=
.../\...
Sovereignty Fanatics??!! Oh i guess I am a fanatic because i think that people's cultures and original homelands belong to them? Because I feel that people, although we should live together in harmony, should be separated by country and culture? That makes more sense to me than a world government and a world as one state.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

I don't think that the CIA gave hippies pot to relax them and not fight them, pot has opened my mind up even more to all this stuff and im more involved now then i was before i smoked pot...acid may have been the drug given to the hippies by the CIA being that they did massive tests with it, making plans to give it to enemy leaders during speeches to make them look bad and embarrass themselves...but i still take acid and i think it helps a lot to expand your mind to stuff that you can't think of before.

[ChinaCatSunflower02]

Sovereignty Fanatics??!! Oh i guess I am a fanatic because i think that people's cultures and original homelands belong to them? Because I feel that people, although we should live together in harmony, should be separated by country and culture? That makes more sense to me than a world government and a world as one state.
i agree with you there. i mean, you can never lean too far to one side. we need equality in this world but we need to understand people's personal beliefs and accept people's cultures. diversity enriches this world. it makes people look at life from a different viewpoint. i mean if we lived as one giant state it would end up like a life out of The Giver or something.

[Nalencer]

Well, in truth, people's differences are mere illusion. We're all the One, Infinite Consciousness, in different illusory forms. I have no problem with abolishing nations, but not for the reasons the Illuminati wants it done. It could only be done well when people wake up enough to not allow anyone to seize control of said planet once it was integrated. And people are waking up. Some day it will come when there is no religion, countries, etc. Just Oneness in awareness of itself. Of course, the world will still be an illusion, but if we rewrite the program, it can be a good illusion.

[Lying in a field]

this is CRAZY shit!

like, i've heard vaguely of the New World Order but i didn't know all this shit about aliens and crap! this stuff is soo interesting. i didn't even know the Men In Black were real and i had no idea that the movie had something to actually do with it.

does Sept. 11, 2001 have to do with the NWO?
This must be how it starts. :(

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Actually 9/11 conspiracies are a large step away from any men in black, alien type conspiracies...9/11 is not an entertaining conspiracy you can chuckle over...that is serious stuff and no matter what you say the majority of people are starting to wake up to the fact that the only people who have to gain, and have the power to cover it up is the United States Government, Specificlly the executive branch.

[~MorningManiacMusic~]

the men in black are REAL

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

Um...I guess if you're talking about certain agents of the CIA and FBI, DIA, NSA...they all wear black and act all mysterious and intimidating...it's nothing to really laugh about though, they are some of the key players to coverups and keeping peoples mouths shut by way of intimidation and coersian. Why don't you stop talking about men in black and aliens and start to look at the real issues, those are side issues that hinder people who study conspiracy by making them look like cooks...9/11, JFK, RFK, MLK, London Bombings...those are issues where there is a real conspiracy involving people from high positions of government. If you wanna study the NWO that's where you start.

[Nalencer]

And you progress to the aliens, etc, after filling up on the human side of it. They are every bit as important as 9/11.

[Angel_Headed_Hipster]

I suppose so...that stuff is interesting but you can go through your whole life studying the NWO without going into aliens, that stuff involves way too much speculation...i have read the truth shall st you free, the biggest secret, and many other david icke books and I think the research he does on aliens and stuff like that is interesting, but it's more important to expose these criminals on the human frequency...like Bush, the rothschilds, rumsfeld cheney, the PNAC, etc. that is way more important to me.

[Nalencer]

Yes, but if the human component is removed, the control matrix remains. It will come up with more and more ways to control people until it is removed from existence.