Beginner Questions

[boogans]

1. The main opiates available to me are Vicodin (hydrocodone) and Percocet (oxycodone). What amounts of these will do what?

2. Any generic precautions to take when using opiates?

3. Effects of opiates mixed with pot or alcohol?

4. How expensive are pills?

5. All I have right now is 1 pill of Vicodin. It says "Watson 349" on it. Does that mean something?

6. Best method of use? I've heard of something called a cold water extraction.

[moka9x9]

Stick to crack, opiates suck for harddrugs...

[steelegiraffe]

Watson 349 is 5mg Hydrocodone/500 acetametaphin
percocet is waaaay better than vicodin imho.since you only 5 mg vic, you probably wont feel anything.you should start off slow with opiates though, to test your reaction.id say 20mg would be a pretty safe amount but im not advising you to do that because of legal resean :p
mixing with alcohol is dangerous at high doses, smoke as much pot as ya want man.should not exede $5 for 1 10mg pill.cold water extraction is used to remove the acetametaphin,but if you dont feel like it you dont have to.just pay attention to how much acet. you are taking in.certain amounts can be lethal.i snort oxies and vics because i like the ritual,left over from my coke days :P
you can also eat or inject it, but just plain eating it would be the best way

[Lodog]

My best advice to you as a beginner is don't fucking get involved kid.

[boogans]

Watson 349 is 5mg Hydrocodone/500 acetametaphin
percocet is waaaay better than vicodin imho.since you only 5 mg vic, you probably wont feel anything.you should start off slow with opiates though, to test your reaction.id say 20mg would be a pretty safe amount but im not advising you to do that because of legal resean :p
mixing with alcohol is dangerous at high doses, smoke as much pot as ya want man.should not exede $5 for 1 10mg pill.cold water extraction is used to remove the acetametaphin,but if you dont feel like it you dont have to.just pay attention to how much acet. you are taking in.certain amounts can be lethal.i snort oxies and vics because i like the ritual,left over from my coke days :P
you can also eat or inject it, but just plain eating it would be the best wayI can dig it.

How did you know what Watson 349 was? Anyplace i can like, find out myself, or something?

When you "eat" it. Do you like, chew it, or do you just swallow normally? Is there a difference?

[steelegiraffe]

www.erowid.org (http://www.erowid.org)
the almighty drug database
www.muschealth.com/cds/CPDrugIdentifier.aspx (http://www.muschealth.com/cds/CPDrugIdentifier.aspx)
neat little pill identifier
both fantastics sites.

when i refer to eating vics or percs i mean swallowing them, but if you ever get your hands on oxycontin(which has a time release coating)you will have to either chew it and swallow or crush it and snort so the coating will be destroyed.

have fun with your opiates adventures

peace

[StonerBill]

When you "eat" it. Do you like, chew it, or do you just swallow normally? Is there a difference?
honestly, anyone asking this question should not be considering even what opiates are. why the hell would you want to get into them? i mean youre even asking if theres anything wrong with drinking alchohol along with opiates. do you WANT to kill yourself? because even if you dont drink alchohol, you will end up doing something retarded, with questions like these

[Tsubasa]

The fact of the matter is that if he's on here asking about opiates, and has a ready supply to hydrocodone and oxycodone, he'll probably try it. We don't achieve much but calling him retarded or questioning his suicidal thoughts.

Boogans, opiates are risky, dangerous drugs. They can be fun at first, but most people with experience have some story of their addictive power. I won't claim that any of the following information is all inclusive, because it most certainly will not be, but perhaps what I say will impress some necessity of caution on you.

1. Opiates vary widely in their effects on individuals. Tolerance builds up meaning that an entry level user will need much less for effects than a veteran pill popper. I know people who use hydrocodone every couple of months, and their dose can range from 10mg to 30mg. If you are determined to take opiates, always err on the side of a smaller dose. If you dose incorrectly, it's much better to feel less than you'd like than to wake up in the ER or not at all.

2. If you insist on taking pharmaceutical opiates, know your dose, be careful, don't mix with alcohol. Always err on the side of caution.

3. Opiates can be very dangerous when combined with alcohol. I would never do it myself. Weed and opiates are reported by most parties as an excellent experience, but never mix drugs if you are unfamiliar with either of them. Always know your dose.

4. Pill price depends on availability and how much the dealer thinks s/he can get from you.

5. Someone's already correctly identified Watson 349's as 5/500 Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen

6. Cold water extractions separate opiates from acetaminophen or aspirin. The problem is that while you can filter out a lot of the acetaminophen and aspirin (which are toxic and damage the liver in high levels), it is possible to lose some opiate in the extraction. The most common method of dose is ingestion, simply eating a crushed or whole pill. Some people will crush and insufflate these pills as well, but the binders in the pill along with the secondary ingredients make this potentially harmful to your nasal cavities and more often than not a very painful, burning experience. I have also heard very rare reports of people injecting these pills. I find this very unwise, because shooting opiates is more likely to lead to dependence. Also, the same binders and secondary drugs can prove very dangerous when injected.

There are no set doses for opiates. Everyone is different, and everyone will need different amounts to feel the same effects. There is no safe method for use of opiates; some methods of dosing are less dangerous than others, but all carry danger. Do your research and know exactly what you're getting into.

The most important advice I could give you would be to do your research, but don't stop when you've got the research that you wanted to hear. Find a wide range of research (it's all there) so you really know what you're going to be up to.
Erowid is a great place to start your research, as has been mentioned. Don't limit your research to Erowid however. Erowid is by no means all-inclusive. Erowid is an excellent site, but there is always more research to be found.

Be careful. Be cautious. If you can help it, don't use opiates.

[steelegiraffe]

nice post man props

[benr]

honestly, anyone asking this question should not be considering even what opiates are. why the hell would you want to get into them? i mean youre even asking if theres anything wrong with drinking alchohol along with opiates. do you WANT to kill yourself? because even if you dont drink alchohol, you will end up doing something retarded, with questions like these

you are a complete blowjob!

[StonerBill]

you cant assume everyone by default has common sense (and this often links to lack of self control, although sensible people can be addicted as well). if theyre asking these sorts of questions, they should of course be answered but in no way condoned

[boogans]

Dog, I mean, I have some ideas, but I'd rather open my mind first and not pretend that I'm sure about any of it. It's better just to accept that you are a beginner, and to let in information.

[Tsubasa]

We all, at some point, we all had absolutely no knowledge of drugs.:H


Let's be considerate of those who are in the same position that we have been. We've all got to admit that there are a lot of conflicting reports on drugs out there. Between reactionary and radical propoganda groups, it's hard to find the truth. It's completely understandable that most people who first come here have no real drug knowledge. Luckily, some of us have started to find the truth about drugs. It's up to us to share it. I don't condone anyone's drug use. (Except occasionally, my own. :p ) Are drugs safe? No. Are people going to use them? Yes. Should we react with condemnations or knowledge when someone comes before us? Well...that's up to each of us to decide.

We've all had "stupid" questions before. Props to Boogans for actually asking instead of charging forward without any idea of what lies ahead. Some may call people stupid if they sound uninformed. I call them wise for trying to educate themselves.

[boogans]

Thanks dude. :)


So uh...about those narcotics. Anyone else got some advice?

[steelegiraffe]

from personal experience, dont do on an empty stomach.

[boogans]

What would you recommend? Like, drink a glass of milk or something, or like, a meal?

(also, what happened to you on an empty stomach?)

[Tsubasa]

What would you recommend? Like, drink a glass of milk or something, or like, a meal?

(also, what happened to you on an empty stomach?)
On an empty stomach, you can get naseous. I usually drink a glass of milk about ten to thirty minutes after I pop my pills. Gives them some time to absorb from your empty stomach and then soothes a bit of nausea. Best bet..try things out, see what works for you. On too full a stomach you might get sick anyway.

[boogans]

That sounds like a really good plan of attack, actually.


Question:

What do you personally use opiates for?
What have people you have know used them for?

[BoozeJockey]

Also, the main way you die from opiate overdose is by depressed/arrested breathing...meaning you don't breath enough and you suffocate. If you are doing them, be sure to watch for having trouble breathing as this can be indicative of an overdose. DO NOT mix with alcohol as alcohol is another CNS depressant and in combination with opiates could cause increased respiratory (and all CNS) depression. Don't use opiates with any benzodiazapines such as vicodin, xanax, or lorazepam as they are all CNS depressants.

Dosage wise...I'd start out with either 10mg Hydrocodone or 10 mg Oxycodone just to get a good base and familiarity with them.

I wouldn't bother with a cold water extraction unless you have lots of spare time and feel ambitious...

And above all, BE SAFE.

[boogans]

Far out, I was planning on doing 10 mg Hydrocodone. What a coincedince. :)


So say I take 10mg at like, 4:00 PM.

How long should I expect the experience to last?
How will smoking pot affect the experience? Will the normal duration of the pot high be affected?


By the way, thanks a lot for the help, this means a lot. :)

[moka9x9]

The fact of the matter is that if he's on here asking about opiates, and has a ready supply to hydrocodone and oxycodone, he'll probably try it. We don't achieve much but calling him retarded or questioning his suicidal thoughts.
Well to start off, its fun to mock people, discourage their drug use (so theres a most wide source of drugs for Dr. Bill (stonnerbill), and myself of course), calling them retarted is a secret way to make ourselfs feel big and strong, due to years of prior shool yard abuse.

Opiates arnt for kids and youth.. they should be given to thoose who need them, and the elderly should be given them freely, just because there cool like that.

[BoozeJockey]

I'd say if you take 10mg Hydrocodone orally, the peak should come maybe about an hour later and last about an hour maybe an hour and a half, then come down for an hour or more.

Your first time i'd recommend just doing the Hydrocodone alone so you can learn to detect it's effects. If you smoke weed with it it'll mix with the effects of weed and you won't be able to pick out the effects from the Hydrocodone as well. But hey, it's up to you.

[StonerBill]

We all, at some point, we all had absolutely no knowledge of drugs.:H


and at that point, were we taking opiates?

were we seriously considering them and planning to take them?

well you might have been, and so would many kids, but that doesnt make it right.

[JayBird]

I've mixed Hydro's with alcohol many times. It really kicks it off. But be sure to take the pills first and then drink. That way, you lessen the chances of OD'ing. It helps prevent nausea if you eat some crackers, chips or maybe a couple slices of bread beforehand, but nothing heavy. If you start to feel nauseous anyway, eat some saltine crackers.

[RELAYER]

from personal experience, dont do on an empty stomach.

I like to take 8 of the 10's and eat pizza and drink 2 red bulls. Who cares about feeling sick, eating is awesome on opiates. Also, taking a shower on those pills, is the shit, after a red bull or two, and some cigs.

[boogans]

I'd say if you take 10mg Hydrocodone orally, the peak should come maybe about an hour later and last about an hour maybe an hour and a half, then come down for an hour or more.

Your first time i'd recommend just doing the Hydrocodone alone so you can learn to detect it's effects. If you smoke weed with it it'll mix with the effects of weed and you won't be able to pick out the effects from the Hydrocodone as well. But hey, it's up to you. Hmm. That seems like a good idea. Maybe I'll do it seperately. =/

Question: Is this drug a drug to use around people, or does it not matter? Is it more of a personal thing? I mean, pot is exponentially better with people around, what is it like for opiates?

[adrian nor]

Stick to crack, opiates suck for harddrugs...
Err.. No! Crack is SHIT! Do NOT fuck with it!! As with opiates. Take TOOOONS of care and precautions. Don't get hooked!

[adrian nor]

Hmm. That seems like a good idea. Maybe I'll do it seperately. =/

Question: Is this drug a drug to use around people, or does it not matter? Is it more of a personal thing? I mean, pot is exponentially better with people around, what is it like for opiates?
I'd prefer to be around people! I get all open and shit by it! All I want to do when I'm on it is to... grin!!! And eventually have some chill chit-chat!

[adrian nor]

I like to take 8 of the 10's and eat pizza and drink 2 red bulls. Who cares about feeling sick, eating is awesome on opiates. Also, taking a shower on those pills, is the shit, after a red bull or two, and some cigs.
Yeah, caffeine is good on opiates!

[boogans]

Posting three times in a row is tech. :)

So I did 10 mg. It was basically awesome. It seemed to kick in about 20 minutes later, and then lasted about an hour, and then I spent an hour coming down. It was pretty awesome. I just talked with people, and I was okay with what they were doing. It was tight.

[DXMsucks]

Man I wish 10 mgs of hydro would hit me like that still:)!!

Just don't be stupid with your use. Set guidelines and don't break them. Mine are don't use opiates more than twice a week, no more than 30 mgs oxycodone and no more than 45 mgs of hydrocodone for a dose(there are others that I do but since you only have those 2 I will stick to them). No alchohol or benzos, but plenty of pot:p. I only snort the brand name or generic Oxycontin b/c they have less fillers/binders an no asprine or APAP.

Also gingeral can work fucking wonders for the nausea opiates can cause.