"THC oil"

[PhRoZeN]

ive heard its like hash, but just an easy extraction from weed, anyone have any experience?

[callinghome]

Nah, but I've heard its amazing.
Relatively simple to make too.

[MikeTheMoonMan]

its not terribly hard to make you just have to let it sit in a liquid for a certain time...let it evaporate...couple of other things...then just drop a drop or two on a cigarette or somethin...

[SirTokesAlot]

its GEWWWWWWWWWDDDDNEZZZ

[PhRoZeN]

i know how, i got a guide, but instead of pure acetone from hardware store, could I use nailpolish remover?

[SirTokesAlot]

you can use whatever u want but all i knowz iz that shit iz gewwwwwwd

[PhRoZeN]

lol..seriously bro..i know your fucked up but i dont want to waste my weed. would nailpolish remover work as long as it has acetone in it?

[callinghome]

No do not use nail polish remover. It'll leave residue which is very unhealthy to smoke.
If you don't have acetone you can use 100% [or as close you can get to it] isopropyl alcohol.

[PhRoZeN]

ok thx bro, i have isopropyl alcohol, but its 70%. Honestly, would it be worth it with the 70%? will it still be real good?

[MikeTheMoonMan]

i heard you can use everclear....

[SirTokesAlot]

everclear = best idea ever

[MikeTheMoonMan]

yea my friends make it with that all the time its good shit...try it out if you got some buds to spare...

[StonerBill]

you can use any pure solvent for pure results.

you can use any-old-solvent for any-old-results

[StonerBill]

yea my friends make it with that all the time its good shit...try it out if you got some buds to spare...
assumedly it would only be worth the effort if you did indeed have many buds spare

[RickityRock]

ok thx bro, i have isopropyl alcohol, but its 70%. Honestly, would it be worth it with the 70%? will it still be real good?
yeah it will work good....just let it sit longer.

[2cesarewild]

Yea let it sit longer so garbage other than thc can be extracted, further dilluting the quality of your product.


I'd find a more pure solvent if I was into using solvents on something I am going to blaze.

[40oz and chronic]

then just drop a drop or two on a cigarette or somethin...why not a joint? or bowl?

[Grapefruity]

yeah it will work good....just let it sit longer.yes what an advice

its not black or green drops you want, whch means low potency or high solvent content, but chunks, if you want the stuff

yeah id like to try everclear but fuck nowhere to be found in canada...heard the yield is kinda less though, but worth that traces are 100% ok for human.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Naaa I think you got it rite origionally Brudda! I think everclear might leave a li'l bit of sugars that wont produce real good results if yer smokin it. I think sugars are a bit carcinogenic when ya burnem. If yer gonna eat your product tho it sounds pretty good :) ! Nothin beats the 2 min shake method with iso. 70% is great. Folks shouldnt get goofey bout the "hazzardous chem extraction" method with iso. Once you evap it off its gone! Your left with nothin but the melty trichs :) ! by the way- I dont know who but someone posted earlier that ISO has an alcohol additive or somethin and its bad for ya, well that aint so. What the poster was prolly referin to is denatured ethyl alcohol. Thats the kind ya cant use. Its called ethyl rubbin alcohol and its got some nasty shitt in it that wont evap out. Its usualy some kinda petrolium product put in there by the feds to foul the alcohol so drunks cant drink it. They figure ya cant sell ethyl alcohol in a drug store for rubbin at 99 cents for a 500 ml bottle while it costs alot more in a bar. annyhow -So they make the companys that manufacture ethyl alcohol for pharmacutical rubbin purposses put a "denaturer" in it. Thats there to keep you from consumin it. So Use ISO alcohol, not ethyl, unless its not denatured. Forget bout the everclear or any other solvents for makin your oil, ISO's the best. Other shitt leaves residues. Here ya go- I got a disclamer, I cant speak for BHO cause I never made it but ISO is the shitt for makin oil. 70% works great! Do zactly like Grapefruity specified in his oil makin thread and youl wind up with some really great oil :) ! -Its realy not that hard, chop it up like ya were gonna roll it,put it in yer jar, cover it with iso, shake it like a nut for 2 min, pour threw a paper coffee filter, catch in a plate, evap off scrape and press!

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

^^ Im in the wrong thread but its some good advice.

[buffoonman]

Used to buy oil in the UK it was £15 a gram. Heavy hitting used to send me to sleep. Method I used for smoking was :- scrape some onto a knife heat the other side of knife untill the oil starts to run then wipe it of with some tobacco, roll it up and smoke .If your anti tobacco wipe it off with some nice weed.
These days I find with all the good bud available not many people bother. But if you've never tried it give it a go.
To make oil you can crumble some hash in a test tube add you solvent ( see above for various solvents available in your country) leave it a while to disolve all the THC , then simple pour the liquid out leaving the hash residue in the test tube. Leave the liquid(solvent) to evaporate of, all that remains is the hash oil. To purify even more add more solvent to ther oil and repeat. The remaining hash residue is worthless as all the THC has been leached out. Good oil is a clear brown colour.

[buffoonman]

In the UK you can buy Acetone from the chemist people use it for cleaning there crack pipes. Or to set each other on fire. But making Hash oil with it is a better idea.

[cosmicdust]

The consensus on this thread seems to be for the use of ACETONE, or ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL, as preferred HASH OIL extraction solvents. Two excellant choices! I prefer ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL (91%, or 99%). 70% should work just as well, but may extract more water soluble compounds from the CANNABIS plant material, which may, or may not, be a good thing. Plus, take a slightly longer time to evaporate.

The chemistry of the CANNABIS plant is very complex and it's difficult to determine what solvent, or percentage of solvent works best, as the complex genetics of the CANNABIS plant varies widely, plus environmental growing factors. But whatever solvent is used (or percentage), you're still going to get an intense pot trip!

HASH OIL really is super easy to make! The "cold shake" method is the easiest and quickest extraction method to use. I used the "heating" method in a boiling flask, for about 1 hour. Either method will get you deliciously wasted on CANNABIS! Cold or hot extraction. On the "hot method" extraction, I got a powerful psychedelic-type high. How does it compare to the simplier cold extraction? I don't know. But either method does the job!

Before I was born, during WWII, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), wartime precurser to the CIA, used "acetate-THC" as a type of TD "Truth Drug", before they knew much about LSD. They used ACETONE to extract THC from marijuana leaves, but DIDN'T let it evaporate into an oil!

"To "administer" pot without a subject's knowing it, OSS scientists dissolve marijuana leaves in acetone, then heat the result into a clear, odorless, viscious liquid -- tetrahydrocannabinal acetate -- which can be "injected" into any type of food, such as mashed potatoes, butter, salad dressing, or in such things as candy."
SOURCE ARTICLE: Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy: Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent?, By Mark Riebling.
LINK: www.markriebling.com/leary.html (http://www.markriebling.com/leary.html)

Has your food been tasting like acetone lately? Would you trust eating in the CIA cafeteria? Anyway, the OSS/CIA prefer the heated/ACETONE THC-extraction method. I just prefer the heated/ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL THC-extraction method. "isopropyl-THC"? Grapefruity's cold/ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL THC-extraction method may work better. Who knows? We need some experimenting done.

Never use METHANOL ("Methyl Alcohol", or "Wood Alchohol") as it is very toxic stuff!!! It can cause blindness or death! ETHANOL ("Ethyl Alcohol", or' "Grain Alcohol") is the alcohol we drink. EVERCLEAR is a high percentage ETHANOL drink, and could be used for HASH OIL extraction, but may contain more "impurities". ISOPROPYL ALCHOHOL works great!

You can put weed into a high-alcohol-content liquor, like VODKA, carefully heat-extract, then strain into a greenish liquid called: GREEN DRAGON. You don't let it evaporate. You drink it like a fine MARIJUANA LIQUOR. I've never drank it, but I found out about it, while "internet surfing". However, you're combining an alcohol "buzz" to your pot high, and altering it.

HASH OIL extraction is simple. Preferably with ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL, which is dirt cheap, easy to get and relatively safe to use. The resulting product is quite powerful!

MR. WACKY-TOBACCY WIZARD
("Mr. Wizard" was an old 60's black and white tv show, which taught us hippies some science. We need an updated version: Mr. Wacky-Tobaccy WIZARD.)

Have a happy trip! Bon voyage!

[buffoonman]

Some good info there cosmicdust though I'm not to convinced Timothy Leary was CIA.
Can you use ordinary lighter fuel out of the tin or am I dreaming.

[cosmicdust]

buffoonman,

Mark Riebling (who wrote the article on Timothy Leary), wasn't convinced that Timothy Leary was a CIA agent, either. However, Timothy Leary did compose a personality test for the CIA, called THE LEARY, which they use till this day! When Timothy Leary was asked whether he was a CIA agent, he replied: "If I were, I didn't receive one dime!" I believe that he was at least "used" by the CIA, for some of their agendas, but was NOT a real agent.

Ken Kesey had some suspicions about Leary being CIA, but no absolute proof. Tim Leary definately had involvemnet with the CIA, but was not a commisioned agent.

I mentioned the Mark Riebling article for the part on "acetate-THC", and not really so much about Timothy Leary being CIA. I discuss that under the LSD TRIPS thread of: KESEY vs. LEARY.

The liquid lighter fluid in the can would work as a HASH OIL solvent, but would not be highly-desirable. It's more flammable than ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL, and thus more dangerous to use, plus smells and tastes bad. It may be more toxic, and less of a solvent to dissolve THC. I wouldn't use it.

Peace and brotherhood to all.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Just watch out for the ethyl rubbin alcohol you get in the drugstore, its marked "denatured". What that means is that the drinkable ethyl alcohol that they sell at the drugstore aint drinkable because they "denature" it by puttin a fouling "denaturer" in it. In other words they throw some poison in there so ya cant drink it. Dont use it, it wont evap out either.

[buffoonman]

All fascinating stuff will read your thread on KESEY VS LEARY. Have you ever read anything about Alister Crowley another interesting character by all accounts.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

I shure wouldnt never use no lighter fluid.

[KasabianRulesMan!]

mmmhhh the question here is more.... where can i find oil ?

[Grapefruity]

make it, only thing i can tell you, i dont know everyone where you live

[AstronomyDomine]

I have just found this thread while making my very own Hash Oil, in an experimental way.

I used trim from a few males I pulled. Please no bashing about it not working with males, I have done quite a bit of research and some claim it works, other do not. Therefor this is more of an experiment, this way I will know myself.

To break it all down, I mixed the trim (dried and almost a powder) with 100% acetone (97% Rubing Alcohol also works, but not as well). I then mixed the solution, let is sit, mix it some more, etc. After about 45 minutes I filtered out everything with a Chemical Filter (much like a coffee filter, which can also be used as an alternative to the Chemical Filter).

So far im waiting for the Acetone to evaporate, ill follow up with results if it was not a total failure.

Peace

[Kottonmouthking666]

How much weed did u use with how much actetone?

[AstronomyDomine]

Well I went out and bought a 250ML bottle, but I did not use all of it. As far as the herb I used, perhaps an ounce or so of trim.

The rule of thumb however for this method is to first put the herb into the jar, and than put enough acetone in so that all the herb is swimming in the acetone.

It has been around 3 days and the acetone has evaporated almost completely.

[missbeeton]

hello
I've been making oil now for a couple of months with my trim.
I use the butane extraction method, and it doesn't seem to have done me much harm. It's very important to use pure butane - a lot of butane has other things added. I find that the best way to use it is to soak tobacco in the oil while it is still warm, then put in an airtight pouch. It gives a really strong hit. about 28g of dry trim with 2 standard tins of lighter butane makes enough oil for a 12.5g pouch of tobacco.
thats enough to get a large party of people very very stuck to the sofa!

[Naturalhi]

its not terribly hard to make you just have to let it sit in a liquid for a certain time...let it evaporate...couple of other things...then just drop a drop or two on a cigarette or somethin...
Well that makes everything as clear as honey oil!http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Grapefruity]

*ALWAYS USe SoME KIND OF FULL FACe HELMET WHEN MAKING BUTANE HONEY OIL*

my new rule...

also miss beeton...with 28g you could use at least 4 bottles, if its good trim...i would use 5 bottles on same quantity and get 4-5 grams of oil

[Naturalhi]

Could someone explain this obsession humans have with combining tobac with MJ?

[missbeeton]

i usually use my motorbike helmet for facial and head protection and my old firefighting tunic for my body. I get quite freaked out with scary stuff and don't like to take any chances!
Do you mean then that if i used more than 2 cans of butane i would get a higher yeild?

The attraction of soaking the tobacco in oil is that it produces a substance that doesn't smell too wierd, look too weird and generaly looks legal!

[Grapefruity]

Do you mean then that if i used more than 2 cans of butane i would get a higher yeild?
!yes, well depending on your herb you probably have thc left after your 2 bottles...Try 4 bottles, im guessin it could double your yield almost without any potency change

5 bottles for an ounce is what I do

[sibannac]

Could someone explain this obsession humans have with combining tobac with MJ?
No, I can't. I don't get it either, why pollute fine weed with unpleasant chemicals and tastes? It doesn't make sense to me

[Naturalhi]

No, I can't. I don't get it either, why pollute fine weed with unpleasant chemicals and tastes? It doesn't make sense to me
Amen! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[medication_forusall]

does anyone know about sticking your piece as well as scraps of tinfoil, roachclips, other things with smokey resin, etc. in the jar with the alcohol and extracting that as well?

[Naturalhi]

does anyone know about sticking your piece as well as scraps of tinfoil, roachclips, other things with smokey resin, etc. in the jar with the alcohol and extracting that as well?
I've done that when ever we get down to stems n seeds as the saying goes, it works but tastes yucky!

[medication_forusall]

well im gonna go for it! its gonna be a blend of smoke resin, male plants, and regular mids all in the jar. a hash salad.

[Naturalhi]

There you go I've done that, works!

[mokie48116@yahoo.com]

I did 3 batchs of iso hash this weekend.
I grew a couple of plants outdoors last year, so I had a pile of trimmings from the 15 oz that those two plants produced. They were a strain that has been developed locally for pain control.
1st I stuffed a 1 qt glass jar with trim...then added 2 pints of iso alcohol to the jar...shook the jar madly for about 1 minute...poured the iso from the jar, through a paper coffee filter inserted into a gold permanent coffee filter...into a large glass baking pan...took the pan to the garage on a heating pad turned on high...had a fan blowing across the pan to evaporate the iso quicker...HAD THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN TO GET RID OF THE D A N G E R O U S FUMES...about three hours later the liquid was gone...scraped up the remainer with a razor blade and got a sticky ball of about 1 1/2 grams of goooeeey hash. It smokes up nice and bubbly. Use caution when doing this folks, cause it is dangerous to work with iso...VERY FLAMMABLE!!!

Peace...j.b.

[pfunk910]

Is it an absolute must to heat the ISO to evaporate it? Would you get similar results just waiting for it to evaporate naturally?

-Mike

[Grapefruity]

no you can let it evap in free air it takes like a day or 2 though

[Naturalhi]

"scraped up the remainer with a razor blade and got a sticky ball of about 1 1/2 grams of goooeeey hash" Goooeeey is why I like BHO method better, there is no GOOOEEEY!

[Grapefruity]

BHO is the best thing in the world, I do agree.

man do you think this work well...I always do 1 ounce at a time for bho. If I use say 20 grams of trim and mix it with 8 grams of dry sifted kif? Have you ever tried to potentiate your bho weed like that?

[pfunk910]

What other materials of plates are acceptable for evaporating this shite on? All I've heard is to use glass, but I don't think there are any glass plates in my apt. Would a plastic plate or ceramic work?

-Mike

[Grapefruity]

ceramic is good, make sure you can easily scrape the stuff sometimes the shape makes it hard

[pfunk910]

Wow.... it was like black tar. And I got reeal high. Wow. Good idea.

-Mike

[Grapefruity]

hehe yeah

the fun is that you can make it as strong as you want. it all matters on the time the weed is in contact with the alcohol

[pfunk910]

Yeah man, thanks to everyone for their help.

-Mike

[crummyrummy]

lol..seriously bro..i know your fucked up but i dont want to waste my weed. would nailpolish remover work as long as it has acetone in it?would you dip a cig or loint in nail polish remover and then smoke it after it dried? I would stick will the acetone.

[Naturalhi]

BHO is the best thing in the world, I do agree.

man do you think this work well...I always do 1 ounce at a time for bho. If I use say 20 grams of trim and mix it with 8 grams of dry sifted kif? Have you ever tried to potentiate your bho weed like that?
When using any solvent method DRY and crumbly are the key words, then make it powder in a coffee grinder, extract, let evap, and prepare for take off AAA!

The darker the extract the unwanted stuff there is in the mix, so how to get less yuck stuff? whether using BHO or ISO solvent should start dripping within 15 - 30 seconds, more and one starts getting chloraphyl and other unwanted oils. So adjust size of extraction container or amount of material so that it starts dripping sooner than later, we're looking for amber here not green or blackhttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Grapefruity]

yeah I know the quicker solven passes through the better.

im guessin if I add like 50% of kif to the pot to be extracted, it will give white bho lol...or maybe just more bho

Have done it once, the white bho, but it was really mad weed...

[tabascohash]

I am sorry folks, but you people are a bunch of idiots if you use some of the methods talked about in this thread. Let me correct just a few of the more dangerous and obviously wrong idea's expressed here.

1. People, Isopropanol is not a good solvent. Isopropyl has a chemical added to it to make it dangerous to drink and some of it stays in the oil, noway to get rid of it all. True, small amount probably is not going to hurt you, but why use it at all? Why not use a pure form of alcohol?

2. Alcohol does not burn, the vapors do. If you heat it, it can not only vaporize and burn, it can explode.

3. Everclear IS much better to use then isopropyl alcohol. They (alcohols) are all made from sugars. It depends on where you get your sugar. Some get it from fruit, grain, potatoes and some get it from wood or fibrous materials. It is all sugar in different forms. Wood alcohol is very dangerous and is sometimes used in isopropyl. By the way, rubbing alcohol is just another name for isopropyl. Everclear leaves no harmful chemicals or sugars behind.

4. There are other chemicals out there that actually will leach out the THC and leave the other crap behind. I am not going to tell them to you because I think you people are a bunch of kids that should not be experimenting with any of this stuff. You are going to die and probably burn down your house, family, and the neighborhood. You do not know or have much more then a slight idea of what you are doing. A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing. Stick to smoking pot, make hash with ice and water. If you want oil for some reason, just add a couple of drops of vodka or everclear to the trics you get and/or wash out the resulting wax or strain it through a coffee filter. What is left after it evaps is oil.

5. No, you do not get a clear oil from anything you do. THC is an oil. It can not be crystallized or made clear. Cannabinoids are water soluble, can be crystallized, and can be made clear, but that is totally different then THC.

6. Adding weed or THC to tobacco is a European thing. Tobacco will work with the pot or THC and can increase the high one gets depending on the strain of weed you use. It can also be used to make wet pot burn. I personally do not use tobacco with my weed or ice hash.

7. ISO hash is not hash that was made with isopropyl alcohol. It was hash made by the Isomiser hash oil machine that was sold 20-30 years ago. The hash it made was not worth smoking and the oil it made was worthless as well, even if you used good weed. It cooked all the good stuff out, like a vaporizer does. Claims that canabanoids can be changed to ones that make you high when you cooked your plant material in the isomiser with no oxygen. This is also a farce. Once good thing the isomiser did do was it did make a darn nice small still and you could make some nice brandies in it. http://hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/peace.gif

[Naturalhi]

I am sorry folks, but you people are a bunch of idiots if you use some of the methods talked about in this thread. Let me correct just a few of the more dangerous and obviously wrong idea's expressed here.

1. People, Isopropanol is not a good solvent. Isopropyl has a chemical added to it to make it dangerous to drink and some of it stays in the oil, noway to get rid of it all. True, small amount probably is not going to hurt you, but why use it at all? Why not use a pure form of alcohol?

2. Alcohol does not burn, the vapors do. If you heat it, it can not only vaporize and burn, it can explode.

3. Everclear IS much better to use then isopropyl alcohol. They (alcohols) are all made from sugars. It depends on where you get your sugar. Some get it from fruit, grain, potatoes and some get it from wood or fibrous materials. It is all sugar in different forms. Wood alcohol is very dangerous and is sometimes used in isopropyl. By the way, rubbing alcohol is just another name for isopropyl. Everclear leaves no harmful chemicals or sugars behind.

4. There are other chemicals out there that actually will leach out the THC and leave the other crap behind. I am not going to tell them to you because I think you people are a bunch of kids that should not be experimenting with any of this stuff. You are going to die and probably burn down your house, family, and the neighborhood. You do not know or have much more then a slight idea of what you are doing. A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing. Stick to smoking pot, make hash with ice and water. If you want oil for some reason, just add a couple of drops of vodka or everclear to the trics you get and/or wash out the resulting wax or strain it through a coffee filter. What is left after it evaps is oil.

5. No, you do not get a clear oil from anything you do. THC is an oil. It can not be crystallized or made clear. Cannabinoids are water soluble, can be crystallized, and can be made clear, but that is totally different then THC.

6. Adding weed or THC to tobacco is a European thing. Tobacco will work with the pot or THC and can increase the high one gets depending on the strain of weed you use. It can also be used to make wet pot burn. I personally do not use tobacco with my weed or ice hash.

7. ISO hash is not hash that was made with isopropyl alcohol. It was hash made by the Isomiser hash oil machine that was sold 20-30 years ago. The hash it made was not worth smoking and the oil it made was worthless as well, even if you used good weed. It cooked all the good stuff out, like a vaporizer does. Claims that canabanoids can be changed to ones that make you high when you cooked your plant material in the isomiser with no oxygen. This is also a farce. Once good thing the isomiser did do was it did make a darn nice small still and you could make some nice brandies in it. http://hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/peace.gif
Hey Grouchy old man, why did you sign in if all you wish to do is flame?>\

Threads like this are created to help, not vent!

I noticed you didn't mention BHO extraction! Although in the years since I advocated BHO I have reconcidered and decided that Naturalhi is better than any of the upper petrolium or vegetable distilates!>)

[Tparkboy]

I don't find the high is like hash, you get more stoned

[krainaoz]

you can do it youself...i wouldnt buy it from a supplier it sounds dodgy...buy good quality weed and extract it by yourself:)

[CanniEvergrow]

I am sorry folks, but you people are a bunch of idiots if you use some of the methods talked about in this thread. Let me correct just a few of the more dangerous and obviously wrong idea's expressed here.

1. People, Isopropanol is not a good solvent. Isopropyl has a chemical added to it to make it dangerous to drink and some of it stays in the oil, noway to get rid of it all. True, small amount probably is not going to hurt you, but why use it at all? Why not use a pure form of alcohol?

2. Alcohol does not burn, the vapors do. If you heat it, it can not only vaporize and burn, it can explode.

3. Everclear IS much better to use then isopropyl alcohol. They (alcohols) are all made from sugars. It depends on where you get your sugar. Some get it from fruit, grain, potatoes and some get it from wood or fibrous materials. It is all sugar in different forms. Wood alcohol is very dangerous and is sometimes used in isopropyl. By the way, rubbing alcohol is just another name for isopropyl. Everclear leaves no harmful chemicals or sugars behind.

4. There are other chemicals out there that actually will leach out the THC and leave the other crap behind. I am not going to tell them to you because I think you people are a bunch of kids that should not be experimenting with any of this stuff. You are going to die and probably burn down your house, family, and the neighborhood. You do not know or have much more then a slight idea of what you are doing. A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing. Stick to smoking pot, make hash with ice and water. If you want oil for some reason, just add a couple of drops of vodka or everclear to the trics you get and/or wash out the resulting wax or strain it through a coffee filter. What is left after it evaps is oil.

5. No, you do not get a clear oil from anything you do. THC is an oil. It can not be crystallized or made clear. Cannabinoids are water soluble, can be crystallized, and can be made clear, but that is totally different then THC.

6. Adding weed or THC to tobacco is a European thing. Tobacco will work with the pot or THC and can increase the high one gets depending on the strain of weed you use. It can also be used to make wet pot burn. I personally do not use tobacco with my weed or ice hash.

7. ISO hash is not hash that was made with isopropyl alcohol. It was hash made by the Isomiser hash oil machine that was sold 20-30 years ago. The hash it made was not worth smoking and the oil it made was worthless as well, even if you used good weed. It cooked all the good stuff out, like a vaporizer does. Claims that canabanoids can be changed to ones that make you high when you cooked your plant material in the isomiser with no oxygen. This is also a farce. Once good thing the isomiser did do was it did make a darn nice small still and you could make some nice brandies in it. http://hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/peace.gif

Aye Carrumba, Oily Shitt!!!! I dont even know where to start! Jus bout the whole post was pure bullshitt! Im not shure if I remember reading ONE true statment in the entire post! This is like "the idiot calling the dummy stupid! Theres NOTHING bad about an isopropel alcohol extraction. Their is NO addatives in ISO. What the poster is mistakenly refering to is ethyl alcohol. Thats the other rubbin alcohol. Theres Isopropel and denatured ethyl. Its the denatured ethyl alcohol you cant use, thats because its basicly drinkin alcohol thats used for topical rubbin purposes. Its first treated with a denaturing agent to discorage drunks from drinkin it insted of usin it properly for rubbin purposes. Iso rubbin alcohol has no denaturing agent in it wich makes it perfict for Herb oil extractions. Theres nothing elce in it besides iso and it evaps off completely and is perfictly safe and healthy to use. Please disregard everything tabascohash posted. HEY tobascohash. Why dont ya go and google up somma the stuff I just posted so that youl know what yer talkin bout! Dont forget, "a little knowlege can be a dangerous thing". -And alot of MISINFORMATION can be even worst!

[Jacobin]

god i love hash oil

[Born25YearsTooLate]

Canni, I found one true thing that tabasco listed:

'Everclear leaves no harmful chemicals or sugars behind.'

Everclear, at least in the US, is USP grade (US Pharmecutical grade) Ethanol, with a 95.6% alcohol content, with the remaining 4.4% water. (the 190 proof varity)

It leaves 'nothing' behind as far as harmful chemicals.

It is illegal to sell the 190-proof variety in some states of the U.S., including California, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington. In some of these states, the 151-proof variety may be sold.

the 151 proof is 75.5% alcohol with the remaining 24.5% being again..water.

as I live where I can get the 190 proof, it's my solvent of choice. especially if you feel the need to 'dewater' it to get the alcohol up to 99% or higher, you can use dry, unscented bennonite clay (clay cat litter, the really cheap stuff) to absorb the water, and you can then filter through a coffee filter. me, I hardly bother with that step, as 95.6%'s more than high enough, and keeps me from using butane or anything else. expensive? a bit, but I figure it's quality work.

[CanniEvergrow]

From what I understand when everclear evaps off it leavs a small ammount of sugars. Thats great if your eatin your product but when sugars are burnt theyr slightly carcinogenic. I never tried it. I always used ISO when makin oil. I always used the Quick Wash Iso method. I forget who came up with it but I got it at OG. Thats where I got the everclear info also.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

I was curious, so I called one of my chemist friends, and he said 'the pollutants of everclear come to less than .1%. That's why it's USP, is that it contains only alcohol and water.' He said if it was a choice in something ingested, even after evaporation, it's what he'd choose. As he's working for his organic chemistry doctorate, I trust his opinion.

He said the 'sugars left behind' from the everclear evaporating was a new one on him, but what he thinks it is are dissolved plant sugars from the extraction process itself, which 'would happen with any alcohol based extraction process, regardless'.

That being said, as far as the ISO goes, it's 'gras' (generally regarded as safe), but it seems that it's all down to personal preference. You use ISO, I'll use everclear, and we'll both do fine, because so long as our ingredients are as pure as possible, our chances of getting anything nasty are going to be minimal. assuming the everclear product has a trace amount of sugars in it, I'm ok with that, as I'd rather risk the fumes from burning sugars than some of the other methods seen here, especially if it means I'm not going to worry about a static spark lighting up my day. :eek:

Just wanted to defend everclear for a while, but it's not a crusade or anything.

We're all friends here, and I respect your information Canni, but my 'trusted source' is giving me something different. So I must agree to disagree. :D

[CanniEvergrow]

I was curious, so I called one of my chemist friends, and he said 'the pollutants of everclear come to less than .1%. That's why it's USP, is that it contains only alcohol and water.' He said if it was a choice in something ingested, even after evaporation, it's what he'd choose. As he's working for his organic chemistry doctorate, I trust his opinion.

He said the 'sugars left behind' from the everclear evaporating was a new one on him, but what he thinks it is are dissolved plant sugars from the extraction process itself, which 'would happen with any alcohol based extraction process, regardless'.

That being said, as far as the ISO goes, it's 'gras' (generally regarded as safe), but it seems that it's all down to personal preference. You use ISO, I'll use everclear, and we'll both do fine, because so long as our ingredients are as pure as possible, our chances of getting anything nasty are going to be minimal. assuming the everclear product has a trace amount of sugars in it, I'm ok with that, as I'd rather risk the fumes from burning sugars than some of the other methods seen here, especially if it means I'm not going to worry about a static spark lighting up my day. :eek:

Just wanted to defend everclear for a while, but it's not a crusade or anything.

We're all friends here, and I respect your information Canni, but my 'trusted source' is giving me something different. So I must agree to disagree. :D That bein said, mabey Il give everclear a try. I got my info off the Quick Wash ISO Extraction thread at OG. Who knows for shure bout how much sugars are left after evap. I guess we could send some oil to a lab for testin or something but WTF.<<(snicker snicker) Your sorce sounds prety respectable to me. Blessins on ya my Brudda! -Just an afterthought... Could you ask your sorce if ISO comes from plants like everclear? I never studied it or nothin but I thought it was cracked offa petro.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

If you're using isopropyl alcohol, it's an alcohol made from combining water and propylene, which propylene (or propene) is found in coal gas, and is a leftover from cracking petroleum or can be made by dehydrogenating propane. It's an intermediate in the manufacture of acetone and polypropolyne plastics.

it comes from plants...from a few million years ago.

if ingested, the liver metabolizes it into acetone, and gloves are recommended in the use of, as it can be toxic from ingestion, inhalation, or absorption.

Isopropyl alcohol is about twice as toxic as ethanol, comparatively.

his comments are 'not the worst thing one could use, but I'd want to make sure the end product was exceptionally dry, and that it didn't oxidize into acetone at any point along the way.'

if you're talking about 'rubbing' alcohol, that's watered down (usually about 30%) ethanol, with some denaturants in it. bad mojo to use, as the denaturants don't evaporate out, and are likely to bond to the thc instead.

In the United States, rubbing alcohol, USP and all preparations coming under the classification of Rubbing Alcohols must be manufactured in accordance with the requirements of the US Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, using Formula 23-H (8 parts by volume of acetone, 1.5 parts by volume of methyl isobutyl ketone, and 100 parts by volume of ethyl alcohol). It contains 68.5-71.5% by volume of absolute ethyl alcohol, the remainder consisting of water and the denaturants, with or without colour additives, and perfume oils.

[CanniEvergrow]

Is he talkin bout iso rubbin alcohol? Thats what Im talkin bout. The stuff at the drugstore for $2. Hes not sayin that you need gloves to use rubbin alcohol is he? I mean the 70 to 97% kind. Definatly NOT the denatured ethyl like you said. Its just like you said with the foulin agent in it. Its drinkin alcohol with a petro based fouling agent in it to keep you from drinkin it. Thats the stuff that, like you said would leave a petro based foul in the oil. I mean use the iso rubbin alcohl. Definantly not the Ethyl rubbin alcohol. Ya gotta watch when yo buy it, theyr usually next to each other.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

iso alcohol is what most people get when they ask for 'rubbing' alcohol. in large amounts, yes, it is hazardous and should be handled with gloves and ventilation.

rubbing alcohol, in the US follows a specific formula, which is the stuff with the denaturant.

Iso alcohol is intended mostly for sterilization of equipment and electronics cleaning.

There are two different things, no identical at all, with the names being used interchangeably, and I think that's part of the confusion.

rubbing alcohol - denatured drinking stuff
Isopropyl alcohol - mixture of water and petroleum crackings

either way, I think I'm going to stick with everclear. Neither one of those sounds attractive to smoke with my 'oil'.

for what it's worth, the rubbing alcohol is usually denatured with acetone or a bit of methanol (wood alcohol, usually used for paint thinner) so using one or the other would be just about as bad, as they're both likely to contain hydrocarbons (acetone and like compounds).

:eek:

[CanniEvergrow]

As far as I know iso evaps away clean. Why elce would ya wanna clean electrics with it? Iso rubbin alcohol dont have any denaturin agents in it. It dont need to be denatured you cant drink it. I was aware you could clean electronics with it but I always thought of it as rubbin alcohol. Smater o fact I even bathed in it a couple times when I was real sore from work. 16 oz to a tub o water. Makes a great Oil too. But anyhow, if your buddy says the ammount of sugar left is negligable mabey its alrite. But I gotta tell ya that its not to appelin to me to have to find everclear and then pay for it to melt my trichs with, only to have it leave sugars in my product when I know iso evaps away clean. Mabey if you were gonna cook with the everclear oil it wouldnt mater cause the sugars are only carcinogenic when burnt. Thing is iso is just as good for cookin purposes and a fraction of the price. As far as I know iso evaps away clean and has no detrimental effects on a body when using an Oil product made with it. It cant have a detrimental effect because its not in the product any more. It evaps out. Ya know, the more I think bout it, I dont want sugar in my oil. Im just gonna stikk to iso Oil. The whole idea behind Oil is to get nothin but the melted glands. I dont want nothin elce in there. Il tell ya what. Its cool if ya like your Oil with everclear. I think Im just gonna stikk to iso Oil. I really like ice Hash alot more anyhow. Sory for disagrein with ya Brudda. But far as I know what Im sayins true.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

yeah, I'm more for ice extraction anyhow, but as i said earlier, we're capable of agreeing to disagree over this.

Not a problem brah

[CanniEvergrow]

100% my Friend!

[Born25YearsTooLate]

Canni, just an update, I caught my friend and pegged him with the sugars question. His comment was 'any alcoholic extraction of plant matter's going to leave trace sugars. It's not a question of how clean the solvent evaporates off, it's that alcohol as a solvent also is a solvent to sugars, so using alcohol to take anything else out of plant materials, you're going to get some sugar pollution anyway. BUT...even with some of them being carcinogenic when burned, the amounts are going to be so trace that you really have nothing to worry about it. If you've smoked cigs, or cooked outside, you've breathed more carcinogens in a couple lungfuls than you will off the trace amounts you're going to get this way. And you owe me some hash for all the %$#^ questions.'

So it looks like, either way, everclear or iso, we're good. Rubbing is questionable, because of the denaturant, and butane is...well..butane.

We weren't really either one wrong, but nor were we either one fully right it seems.

[CanniEvergrow]

Yea. It seems to be a mater of preferance my Friend. wWWHHhheee Doggy. Im bout 5.5 weeks away from first harvest. That Hash'l come soon after! I dont think the petro based products leave sugars tho. But I have read in one post about iso molecularly bondin a negledgable ammount of somkinda undesirable stuff to the canibinoids. I dunno. Either way, iso or ethyl, it seems theres some info on somekinda crapp in there we dont want in there. I guess it all just a mater of deciden wich crap ya like least. Im just gonna stik to the iso when I want oil and evap it away real real good! Ya know what I been seein on the WeedTracker alot? Lotsa Folks are goin for bho. In shurly stikkin to ice Hash. Nothin in there but Trichomes!

[Born25YearsTooLate]

Ice hash is surely the way to go, as the oil question's pretty academic to me since I've had ice extracted...I got spoiled....lol

[LSDMIKE]

ive heard its like hash, but just an easy extraction from weed, anyone have any experience?

Honey oil?

just look up> supercritical hash oil extraction

[CanniEvergrow]

ive heard its like hash, but just an easy extraction from weed, anyone have any experience?

Honey oil?

just look up> supercritical hash oil extraction Yea. BHO is simple. I only made it a couple times. I dont like it cause its just damn inconvinient to handle. Its real simple to make tho. From what I see, lotsa Med clubs are offerin Buds diped in BHO. I think its kinda silly to first take the oil outta the Herb only to dip the Herb into the Oil. Its almost kinda like first takin the oil out and then puttin it back in. I like consumin my xtracts by thenselves. It seems that some Folks like takin the materials they xtracted from theyr Herb and puttin it back into theyr Herb. I think its kinda silly. I like just straight up xtracts. Gimme a nice .2 gram squigle of ice hash and me and my wife are fine! I wouldnt think of dropin it on a bowl.

[raoul duke420]

Making some bho:D

[raoul duke420]

Gotta love the honey

[raoul duke420]

Get your scrape on.

[CanniEvergrow]

Hey Howdy Raoul! What kinda weight dija wind up with?

[raoul duke420]

Howdy Evergrow, Made a little stoner mistake and forgot to weigh the dish before filling it with honey,Oh well, I'm thinking its about an oz. maybe a little more, I'll be sure to weigh the dish and find out for sure when I'm done with all this oil, probably like 6 months from now:D!!!!

[raoul duke420]

Weight, including dish.

[CanniEvergrow]

Well thats a mighty fine dish of Oil ya got there! Do ya ever make iso Oil or ice Hash?

[LSDMIKE]

wow only 6 months i made 3g smoking 3 to 5 times a day on a foil spoon
for like 60 days:) the weight i got was>40g bud 3g oil.

canniE is ice Hash what you scrap off your fingers when harvesting?

[CanniEvergrow]

wow only 6 months i made 3g smoking 3 to 5 times a day on a foil spoon
for like 60 days:) the weight i got was>40g bud 3g oil.

canniE is ice Hash what you scrap off your fingers when harvesting?

Ice Hash is what ya get when ya get the trichs real freezin cold and snapem off by agatatinem. Check out the "Simple Hash Makin Principals" thread for a better description of ice Hash. Blessins on Ya!

[st3wy]

i have experience and it's easier then any of you will think

[CanniEvergrow]

Alla this stuff is easy. Problem is, most folks dont have the attention span to pay tension while you tellem how to do it. Its between that and their misconceived notions on the subject. --Iv found that most folks dont like takin instruction from anyone but themselves. Especially from a humble man. Its too bad really, the humble man's usually the smartest guy around. It just works out that way, Folks with humility have a greater capacity for learnin, and therefore make the best teachers. ----I am Cain. I can help you.

[raoul duke420]

Hey evergrow, , yea ive also got the 5 gal , 8 bag bubble bag setup. Love that bubble hash but takes forever to make it, i like doing the slow stir method with a wood spoon when I make that tough for some real top notch bubble hash. Never made iso before.

[CanniEvergrow]

Far Out Raoul! I dont mess with iso or bho much at all but I turn all my trim and popcorn into ice Hash. It dose take a long time. Takes all day smatter o fact! I dont mind so much tho, I just do it between doin other stuff. I aint got bags but I get prety good results with a 5 gallon paint strainer bag and a permenent coffee filter. I do all my work in a 5 gallon bukkit. I get it ice cold and add ice before I put my materials in and mix. I refreeze it in the freezer till it gets a crust of ice on top and then I do it again. I mix for ten minits at a time. I do it about 3 or four times and freeze the bukkit till theres a crust of ice on top in between mixes. Then I pour it into another bukkit threw the 5 gallon paint strainin bag. Then I let it float around in there and agatate it a while with a paint stirer till I figure all the trichs fell threw. I guess you can tell I usta be a painter. Then I pour it threw the perminent coffee filter into another 5. I let this settle and syphon it down with a piece of airline hose till I got just a bit of liquid in the bottom and alot of trichs. Then I pour it into a pyrex lasagnia pan and let it settle till I can scrape some trichs away for a spot to syphon over so I dont sukk up any trichs. I syphon it down real good till theres almost no water left and then I evaporate the rest off. When its dry enoughf I scrape it up and press it with my fingers. Its alotta work like this but I just love that Hash! Mabey someday Il get me some bags.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

bubblebag system 275$ US
DIY silkscreen bags 120$ US
Canni's system < 20$ Us

Learning how to make Ice Hash
F'ing priceless.

[CanniEvergrow]

:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:-------------------------- Yea it is alot cheaper aint it B25YTL!?! I really do gotta get me some bags tho. Its kinda funny what ya can do with just what ya got layin round. I mix my materials with a screwgun with a paint mixer on it, I strain my work with a 5 gallon paint strainen bag, and I stir my finished work around with a paint stirin stikk. Onna these days Im prolly gonna get me some bags tho.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

hell, if it ain't busted, why 'fix it'? if your'e getting perfectly good hash with what youv'e got, why ruin a perfectly good system with 'improvements'? That's half the reason humanity's in the mess it's in, in that we can't leave well enough alone.

:D

I apologize if I sound cranky or pissed off...it's just been one of those $#%%$^#$%@#$@$%# days.

[CanniEvergrow]

Hey Howdy Brudda! I hear ya! Yea, sometime it gets crazy. :smash::banghead::sifone: It would be prety cool to get a couple sizes tho and see what it would do. I like what happens just with the permanent coffee filter so Im wonderin what would happen if I was able to strain the bigger heads like the Shack makes with a micron size bag with the mesh size of a permanent coffee filter,and strain some of the finer crystals threw a smaller mesh. Maby like 2 bags I guess. I guess I could get a bag with whatever mesh a permanent coffee filter is. I like what that dose whatever micron it is. Then I could get something a bit finer that mite strain somma the finer crystals that bust up. Pluss, it would be alot easier pourin the bukkit threw the bag insteda the coffee filter. I dunno. Mabey if things pick up we'l get a couple bags. Resistance is futile! We will assimilate!:eek:

[CanniEvergrow]

Hey Raoul! Howdy! Which bags do you use mostly? Whats a good micron size for fat trichs? Could you recomend me a couple sizes I mite like?

[Born25YearsTooLate]

Canni, try 73-75 microns for the fat trichs
20-25 for the smaller stuff
and what you're doing siphoning for the really really small stuff.

[CanniEvergrow]

Sounds good to me B25YTL! Mabey after our 2nd or third harvest we'l look into it and gettem. Mabey I autta get normal and start makin Hash like normal Folks. Aint that crazy? I get my finished product from the bottom of the bukkit. Mabey I autta just get a set of 3 bags and work it like a normal person.

[Born25YearsTooLate]

hell no it's not crazy, but after seeing your results, I'm about ready to swap systems, as it's easier to justify having the pieces around, which is great for stealth.

[CanniEvergrow]

Yea Brudda! I like twizzlin a piece between my fingers and then flatenen it out into a tape and then rollin the tape up into a Hash rose. I can get it so fine you can just bout see threw it. Damn Breth! I cant wait to get back into a routeen again. I really do gotta get a camera goin on. I got 2 sets of 4 clones in my flower room now and I get to put 4 more in tomorow. I been puttenem in every other week and I get to put my 3rd set in tomorow. So 4 weeks from tomorow I get to harvest 4 Flowers, and 4 Flowers every other week from theron. Im lookin forward to makin Hash just as much as I am to harvesting!

[FlyingTIGER]

ahh dude that shit is awesome. I want to learn how to make that stuff.

[elric40]

You can get 99% isopropyl at most hardware stores.....alternately, you can use denatured or "wood" alcohol. It is poison to drink, but so is isopropyl....ALWAYS make sure the alcohol is evaporated thoroughly before using........

The simplest way is to take good stuff, freeze it and stick the alcohol in the freezer too to get everything real cold (so you don't wash out the chlorphyll too)......when you wash the stuff, just do it like you are making coffee with a stainless steel collander and use a cotton handkerchief to strain over a square corningware dish. Don't overdo it, or you will wash out the yukky chloropyll and it'll be green.
After straining a few times, you'll have a gold mixture in bowl....place this bowl inside another, larger bowl 1/2 full of water and on ELECTRIC stove (NOT GAS!!!!) cook slowly. This is like a double boiler and will get rid of the alcohol fairly quickly (IN A WELL VENTILATED ROOM!!!!!!!) and leave you with honey oil.

Everclear is ok, but still 10% water etc and expensive........
DO NOT USE NAIL POILISH REMOVER!!!!!!!!!!

[Stoned Philosopher]

use 100%, might aswell spend the extra what, 10$ to make sure your bud doesnt go to waste

[LSDMIKE]

isopropyl IMO is a good way but it can be done with ethanol 2
But in saying that the best way IMO is > raoul duke way..it just the best for me

[RiversClearwater]

For anyone whose made BHO or any oil for that matter from trim, did you guys "cure" your trim at all, or is it alright to just let it dry for a few days and use it fresh so to say (though dried thoroughly), or would curing it like bud for a while make the oil better? Also, I've seen mixed methods that range from results of gooey, oil oil, and some yield amber chunks that seen to be hard like candy or glass? what's up with that? Thanks for help.