Haw many shamans? [Archive]

shaman sun

02-25-2006, 08:15 AM

Yeah. I'm a neo-shamanic new-ager, post-evangelist christian missionary, pickin up the latest best sellers on all the shamanic rituals. Yeah. It's the in thing now. Pick and choose, pick up or loose. Insta-Shaman! Even Insta-Christian!

Well, at least the Christians have that whole fast-soul-food service: "Accept the Savior and be SAVED, INSTANTLY! No long lines, no tedious, life-long journeys. Do it in your office, do it on the phone, do it on the net!"

When you choose a path,
Know where you are walking.
When you are walking,
The journey itself is the lesson.
When learning the lesson,
live it.

To declare you are something means nothing. Roots run deep.

dd3stp233

02-25-2006, 11:16 AM

Hey, the Church of Subgenius offers instant salvation or triple your money back.

heron

02-25-2006, 05:43 PM

well said shaman sun, well said.

strawpuppy

03-10-2006, 11:22 PM

themnax

03-19-2006, 11:21 AM

well i don't presume to call myself anything, just an awairness that observes and trys to avoid deceiving myself. i'm not sure if anyone raised in the kind of doctoring traditions of their people would be comming here and announcing themselves.

people who see and learn real things arn't usualy too much for putting themselves forward like that among a mix of people who might not want to understand what their learning is about. an honored elder who has studied the 'medicine' of nature and his people, that would be someone to learn from, but you would have to be ready to dicipline yourself and really listen carefully, and then also go out in the woods and learn from what your spirit guides want to teach you too.

this much i know, even though i don't have that kind of teaching myself and don't know if i ever will. you know this kind of learning is not an instant gratification kind of thing, not like video games, or even community college. more like lifelong learning at the university level only getting part of it too, from the spirit beings out in the woods or whatever.

=^^=
.../\...

Cosmic Butterfly

03-20-2006, 06:05 AM

No one here is a Shaman.

heron

03-20-2006, 06:16 AM

No one here is a Shaman.

what makes you such an authority.

Not saying i disagree, but how do you know so surely.

Nimrod's Apprentice

03-22-2006, 06:31 PM

Well most likely a true shaman wouldn't be on the internet or even have a computer for that matter. Maybe the new age Terence Mckenna style shaman. But not the true shaman of third world cultures or ancient history. Anyone can dive into shamanism though, if your a success now thats another story for another time.

heron

03-23-2006, 01:58 AM

So, true christians shouldnt have computers and internet, because the christians of the old third world countries and ancient history walked around in sandles and fish all the time?

Archemetis

03-23-2006, 02:16 AM

you'd think a shaman would have better things to do than hang out on hip forums of all places.

to the origanal poster...theres a big difference between a shaman and one who is interested in or practises shamanism. calling yourself a shaman is a pretty bold statement.
shamanism is not a path one chooses to walk. it is a calling guided by the logos.
iv been told by the one shaman iv met in my life that it is also nessesary for an individual to have physically died in this lifetime to be shaman, which i didnt know and found interesting.

Nimrod's Apprentice

03-23-2006, 05:49 AM

True dat.

heron

03-23-2006, 02:04 PM

So shamans have no personallity or seek entertainment? they sit in caves everyday of their life?

Nice stereotyping everybody. I know native shamans that have emails and make newsletters, and all kind of shit.

Granted, like I said, chances are they arent "shamans" all running around on here, but you can use such a general brush in your argument as to why.

heron

03-23-2006, 05:40 PM

Archemetis

03-23-2006, 07:05 PM

i dont know much about this fellow, but i do know that he has indeed died, and he is indeed a powerful healer.

his background made me believe his story...as he came from siberia from a family with a history of shamanism, and underwent his first initiation at the age of 5.

there were a few things about his character though that could make me question his motives, ($$$)

r33f3r_m4dn3ss

03-23-2006, 10:19 PM

The shaman may appear to be a member of the culture, but hes broader, wider, deeper, and higher than the culture that created him. People go to shaman to seek advice, because he has a larger view of the culture, he understands more because he see's past the illusion.

Nimrod's Apprentice

03-23-2006, 11:56 PM

Archemetis, are you sure he didn't mean his ego died? You wouldn't be talking to a physically dead person.

Zoomie

03-24-2006, 12:05 AM

It's 6pm... do you know where your shaman is?

r33f3r_m4dn3ss

03-24-2006, 12:17 AM

iv been told by the one shaman iv met in my life that it is also nessesary for an individual to have physically died in this lifetime to be shaman, which i didnt know and found interesting.Well, thats someone what true. I've read people who got struck by lightning and lived, or someone who got sick to the point of death and fought back and returned are said to be great shaman. This could be because of their skills and experience with trance like states, and because they have a strong soul and will to live.

So shamans have no personallity or seek entertainment? they sit in caves everyday of their life?

Nice stereotyping everybody. I know native shamans that have emails and make newsletters, and all kind of shit.

Granted, like I said, chances are they arent "shamans" all running around on here, but you can use such a general brush in your argument as to why.Well actually, true shaman live in their own hut on the brink of the village and are only called upon during crisis (such as death or illness) or politics because of his wide view and knowledge that goes beyond the clan/clans. He sits next to the headmaster during decision making and returns to his hut. He is part of the culture, but he transcends the culture that created him. That is the shaman's job. That's not to say there aren't people who study shamanism, but like you said, someone can just claim to be a shaman. They must have in depth knowledge of botanical substances as well as experience dealing with hyperdimension's that occur during these trances when under the influence of such substances as ayahuasca, DMT, and psylocibin in siberian regions as well as mexico with the mushroom cults. I'd like to meet these shaman using computers, they must be interesting intellectuals from the sound of it.

heron

03-24-2006, 01:52 AM

It is a death experience, or near death, not real death, and that depends on the tradition. It exists in a ritual form too, depending on the tradition.

Im sure the siberian guy was after money, as most are.

and r33f3r, that is retarded, the "they live in a hut on the edge of the villiage to be true"? Goddamit man, what is this 3000 bc?

Where do true witches live? gingerbread houses in the forest?

r33f3r_m4dn3ss

03-24-2006, 03:13 AM

Actually, shamanism goes back to even the South America's, which is stricken with poverty as I would think you know. I am citing from the work of Terrence Mckenna, who studies shamanism very well. And people still live like it was 3000 b.c.

What do all shaman's have to live in houses these days? Or do you gather advice from an elite shaman group who strictly live in houses and are part of modern day culture.

heron

03-24-2006, 06:19 AM

What do all shaman's have to live in houses these days? Or do you gather advice from an elite shaman group who strictly live in houses and are part of modern day culture.

No, i have yet to make such absolute comments as to where shamans live, it has been you and another making such assertions.

I say yes, shamans live in huts, some live in cabins, some in teepees, some live in trailers and some live in houses. Ones residence does not determine ones connection with nature and the spirit worlds.

yes, indigenous tribal shamans live in huts, etc, but the time period in which their culture has frozen does not make them more authentic than a 21st century shaman that might actually work by day at Wal-Mart. They are no more true, and the later no more false.

r33f3r_m4dn3ss

03-24-2006, 06:25 AM

i agree with you, residence doesnt determine it, but i was referring to the classic indigenous shaman and old style shamans, ones who familiar with substances and botanicals only available to the region in which they live, such as south america and siberian regions which is not necessarily somewhere with a wal-mart. unless of course your referring to native american shamans, then i agree that he probably works at a wal-mart and is still a shaman.

strawpuppy

05-06-2006, 11:00 PM

When a shaman reaches into your life and pulls your cords, you will know. Untill then you only "think you know"!

Zoomie

05-07-2006, 02:12 AM

I want to be a shaman. Someone please link me to the website where I can get my credentials.

heron

05-07-2006, 03:08 AM

www.youcanshamantoo.com

Zoomie

05-07-2006, 03:12 AM

Damn it, you got my hopes up.

Rev Van

05-07-2006, 03:52 AM

Hey Zoomie...........

I does kind of seen like God is no more than a kid with an ant farm,

and every so often he thinks it's a great laugh to shake the d*nm thins just
in order to watch us squirm.

Zoomie

05-07-2006, 04:49 PM

My home brother sees the light...

Space Coaster here.

smellyhairyhippie

05-22-2006, 03:02 AM

as it seems to have been established here that no one is a shaman, i would say hopefully correctly that i am a learning practicionar of shamanism, not a certified shaman, but one who believes in the ideas and rituals through which one might journey to other planes to seek advice from spirits of the natural world.

strawpuppy

06-15-2006, 09:37 PM

SLammon420

06-16-2006, 08:58 AM

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that some 17 year old kid on hipforums is practicing to become a shaman.

heron

06-16-2006, 04:46 PM

Shamans began training in childhood in the past, though i am not vouching for him, why do find it so hard to believe?

themnax

06-17-2006, 02:58 PM

you know, every time i see the title of this thread i keep thinking to myself something like how many shamins does it take to screw in a light bulb.

the training thing sounds right. every culture and society has its own ways of doing things, but whatever you want to call the knowledge and skills of 'shamining', it is just as much rigourous studying in its own way as like med school or engineering.

as for being certified, that's another thing. the only thing like that i've heard of is within a village or a tribal society, the way anyone is certified anything is that everyone calls on him on the baiss of their own trust in whatever indicates to them that he knows what he's doing, or at least everyone in the sub society of the 'doctoring' within that culture feels secure in considering that person 'graduated'.

again one or the other, depending on how things are done in that particular culture.

=^^=
.../\...

smellyhairyhippie

06-20-2006, 07:25 PM

maybe i mislead you, im not training to become a certified shaman or shamanizes for others, i use it for personal means of expression, relaxation and self-recognition, while still maintaining the beliefs, though not actually trying to become and certified shaman, though that would be quite interesting...

malakala

06-21-2006, 09:19 PM

So, true christians shouldnt have computers and internet, because the christians of the old third world countries and ancient history walked around in sandles and fish all the time?
Heron, playing devil's advocate, here's a quote from you in another thread dated June 7th..."somtimes, analogies are cop out explainations for something otherwise unjustifiable."...and yet, here you are a month earlier with...an analogy. LOL!

malakala

06-21-2006, 09:29 PM

Do Shamans have to have licenses to drive before they can proclaim themselves Shamans? LoL to all the young "Shamans" here...to the original poster...Based on your other post about you beginning your Rasta journey, am I to believe that you're going to be a Rasta Shaman?!?! You need to lay off all of your self-labeling & grasping at self identity. Let go completely of your ego and THEN you'll be on your way to some real self discovery...

heron

06-21-2006, 11:03 PM

Well said malakala!

heron

06-21-2006, 11:04 PM

Heron, playing devil's advocate, here's a quote from you in another thread dated June 7th..."somtimes, analogies are cop out explainations for something otherwise unjustifiable."...and yet, here you are a month earlier with...an analogy. LOL!

actually, i love analogies.

Technically, that wasnt an analogy though, more like an example.

And notice in your quote, i said sometimes..

malakala

06-22-2006, 03:55 AM

actually, i love analogies.

Technically, that wasnt an analogy though, more like an example.

And notice in your quote, i said sometimes..
LOL!:) As you've gathered, I love analogies too. I find 'em very useful in illustrating otherwise quasi-abstract concepts. I'm also guilty of sometimes excessive comma use, to the degree that in college my peers nicknamed me "commakaze"!!!

italianhippie750

09-04-2006, 06:59 PM

hahahaha the only thing worth reading in this entire thread, was the word "commakaze"

Chodpa

09-11-2006, 11:15 PM

I don't claim much since I'm a student. But look up the meaning of my nick on the net and that should tell you something.

tikoo

09-12-2006, 12:34 AM

how many shamans does it take to enlighten a bulb ....

Treadge

10-04-2006, 12:38 PM

how many shamans does it take to enlighten a bulb ....
1 to invent it,
22 to manufacture the bulb,
2 to load it,
1 to deliver it,
2 to unload it,
3 to stock it on the shelf,
1 to buy it and take it home,
1 tall one to screw it in,
and 1 to flip the switch.

34

I dont know bout all this shaman stuff, youre all just a bunch of humans,
you can call yerself a christian, buddhist, shaman, lawyer, banker, mother, father, son, daughter, teacher, student, whatever, but in the end,
youre just a silly human bean

we are all human

heron

10-04-2006, 04:26 PM

Thank you for the dose of humanity.....but what an obvious retort....no one denied the fact that we are all human....but..above being all human, we are all Children of Earth.....puts us in the same place as the plants, animals, oceans and forests....

Why take it to the "human" degree of seperation? Call yourself a human...and buddhist...a hippy....a tree....we are all the Earths Children..

Treadge

10-05-2006, 02:23 PM

Why stop on the planetary level and degree of seperation?

All things have a spirit, the trees, rocks, plants and animals, all spirits can communicate with each other.imaginean infinite ocean which consists of everything, it expands into infinity in all directions, never ending. Since everything makes up this ocean, no thing is ever seperate from it.
All things are just drops in the ocean, so they are the ocean, they are what makes up the "cosmic" ocean, though each drop is different, unique, individual, all are on big ocean, theres drop 1, drop 2, drop 3 and 4 and etc. etc. but the ocean the drops came from is zero, the drops themselves make up zero, all the drops are really all ones, even if you are counting drops, you are just counting one, I, II, III, IIII, IIIII, same as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but now you see all the ones involved, the fifth drop would be the 5th "One"!
0=ocean, 1=drop, 1=0

heron

10-05-2006, 02:55 PM

Cant argue too much with that man....

Komokwa

10-20-2006, 12:09 AM

I got a funny story about shamans

every year I go on a canoe journey in the Northwest coast, I go with my first nation tribe from village to village. last year I met a wise old man who gathered a bunch of youth together and made a challenge for some of us to accept. the challenge was to go back to our villages and collect data on traditional plants and what uses they had in medicine. he wanted both drawing and writing about these different plants. me being both an artist and a scientist i accepted the challenge.

so this year I went back and talked to him because I never got mine finished and he told me that it did not matter if I never had it done because I have my whole lifetime to learn how to be a shaman and that this was just one of the first steps of becoming one. I was surpised because he never mentioned any of this at the start. I have no idea if I will ever finish this but maybe one day.

Tamapoulialamafoa

05-08-2007, 01:27 PM

there's a catch to everything, that is, calling yourself a shaman might be benificial or not, commenting on one that does also. But what it actually means is that you have no way to understand one another appropiately. For what is to defend? And what is to be?

Americunt

09-18-2008, 12:44 PM

I am not a shaman, however I AM a student of shamanism. It is my hope that one day the shamans that teach me will take me on as an apprentice, but it will probably take quite a few years to accomplish even that.

windy

09-19-2008, 06:45 PM

Devin...doesn't matter if you are a shaman or not, you have a good heart. Checked out your profile, nice to see you want to be a healer. ( alot of kids out there in the world wanna be a gangsta ). The Earth needs healers. Ever checked out the website "Path of the Feather" I found it interesting....

PsyGrunge

09-21-2008, 08:48 PM

I am not a Shaman, but I once spent a week in a teepee.

RunningMan

09-21-2008, 11:07 PM

Im a shaman, i bought my certificate on the internet that says so.

You know what makes me laugh most of all. Your all f&$king kids who know nowt about nowt, you hav'nt lived yet, If the lad wants to declare himself a shaman does it really matter if his roots aint in it. Everyone has to start somewhere, let the lad discover for himself without having to slag off and bitch.

If your not Shaman or interested in what it has to offer then why the f*ck are you on this page.

PsyGrunge

09-22-2008, 09:07 AM

I am EXTREMELY interested in Shamanic practices.
I find Shamans fascinating and admit to wishing I knew more.

PsyGrunge

09-22-2008, 09:10 AM

However, after 2 years of practising, I wouldn't called myself a Shaman. I'd refer to myself as a person undergoing shamanic self training. Until I was firmly rooted into Shamanism itself, if I had an ounce of dignity and self respect I wouldn't claim to BE an actual SHAMAN with the bare minimal of training. From what I comprehend, it's a long ongoing process. Fair enough if I'd been at it for ten-15 years, you know? But I'd say no self respecting Shaman would claim to be one after just two years. That's a fairly shallow statement for any Shaman.

windy

09-27-2008, 03:15 AM

Well said, RunningMan.

huronsky

11-09-2008, 04:37 AM

Shamans and traditional healing are not as unlikely as some might think:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs134/en/:)

Thekarthika

09-27-2009, 06:54 AM

I went to an Inipi ceremony today. A local Shaman by my house hosted it, and I must say, I was really impressed. And sweaty. Lol.

SamanthaHazelEyes

10-12-2009, 02:52 AM

I've been studying Shamanism for quiet some time now. It's a huge topic of interest for me.
My Melungeon gggreat grandmother was descended from a long line of shamans and healers. She was branded a witch and ridiculed by neighbors for her lineage and "strange ways". Learning about this side of my family tree has put me in touch with my own healing abilities. I hope to learn about the intimate nuances of Shamanism with an actual medicine woman or man someday. That would be an amazing experience.

Holy Ancient Megumi

10-12-2009, 05:48 AM

well my roomates call me a shaman , i have been studing since i was 15 , i see spirits and i can feel things . tho i have had teachers along the way i am still learning , so even tho i am learning i am also a teacher in some reagards . i would not nessarly call my self a shaman , but i have been dubed by most of my friends the ones that are open as the negiboorhood shaman . it is one thing to study the books it is another to take it to the next step even if it is doing a simple low magic protection spell to help some one , or to let that person know that some one has sent bad medince there way .

Thekarthika

10-13-2009, 12:12 PM

I'm not trying to say you're lying, any of you, but to be a Shaman you must be at complete unison with Mother, and be able to heal. There are many aspects you must be able to do. Shamanism is a gift, not a learned practice.
It goes deep.

Holy Ancient Megumi

10-13-2009, 06:20 PM

i am not exsactly a shaman , but to learn to become one u must study and share , that is what a shaman from mississippi told me , other than that my medience man friend i am such and that he found that i am much further on the path then he would have thought yes it is a comeplete thing but , u have to also find the goddess in all things to u may think some are lying but at the same time it take a lot of curage to even walk the medince path . healing is something i dont tell ppl becuae most wouldnt get it so i do it more on a one on one basiss