What's your favorite moment in history [Archive]

themnax

02-24-2006, 12:34 PM

my favorite political moment in history in my own life would have to be when j.f.k. won the nomination. i was quite young but i remember feeling a tremendous uplift when it was announced.

furthere back i would have to say ghandi winning india's independence from great brittan.

when the norther piutes at pyramid lake kicked the butts of the army of drunken bastards sent out to kill them, would be another certainly.

or when african colonies gained independence from their european empires, there was so much hope then.

or the end of aparthied in south africa.

when a train load of ordinance bound for viet nam blew up in the yard at roseville. i was working for the railroad at the time and got more overtime then i've ever seen in my pocket before or since. too bad the kind of computers we have now didn't exist then. that's what i would have bought with it. wanted to then, but even the first kits for 8 bit machines hadn't hit the market yet.

first man on the moon of course. the resignation to avoid impeachment of nixxon. the american withdrawal from saigon.

jimi carter's recognition of and refusal to slaughter the sandanistas.

oh there's a lot of em.

=^^=
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jay

03-01-2006, 06:35 PM

TheMadcapSyd

03-01-2006, 07:26 PM

That moment where a few cavemen figgured out how to start a fire with a couple of sticks.

Mert no.2

03-01-2006, 09:01 PM

Irish Drunkard

03-01-2006, 09:27 PM

Aristartle

03-01-2006, 11:02 PM

The founding of the US. The leading people disliked each other, disagreed about several important things (like slavery), but still managed to come together and get the new idea of the a whole country run without aristocracy to work.I have deduced that you are white. And it's terribly naive of you to believe it was the working class that came together and made a country absent of aristocracy.

revolution_time

03-02-2006, 02:56 AM

Julius Ceaser taking control of Rome. Definatley a major world event. Almost as important as the fall of Rome was.

r33f3r_m4dn3ss

03-16-2006, 06:51 AM

When the lost Pharoah of Egypt Ahkenaten was banished from Egypt because he wanted to become monotheistic, claiming the worship of the numerous deities (Annunaki, one of whom is Enlil also called Yahweh, Allah, and Osiris) was foolish and they should become monotheistic and worship the sun because it was reference to the all knowing God, the supreme, higher up then the lesser gods we still worship today. Then of course he taught Moses which led to the Exodus, but then after that the Babylonians took over and mingled in their LAWS and RULES and basically ruined everything Moses was trying to teach.

Maybe that explains why the world is so fucked up today.

hippiejessica

03-16-2006, 08:51 AM

The 1920s.
The 1960s
The Edwardian Era.
The Early 1970s.
World Wars I and II.
Renaissance.
Dark Ages.

themnax

03-17-2006, 09:14 AM

just remembered another one and don't know why i didn't think of it before.

when the nortern piutes kicked the buts of the army of drunks from verginia city that were going to rob them of pyramid lake.

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MikeJeffersBorn1953

03-20-2006, 07:08 AM

My favorite moment in history is the time when Samson was alive in Ancient Israel. The Spirit of G-d came over Samson and he did this. The Spirit of G-d came upon Samson and he did that. And he did these things mostly because he wanted the love of a good woman. Delilah the daughter of a Philistine. Like Romeo and Juliette but with enormous spiritual and physical strength. HIS power lent to a mere man.
MikeJeffersBorn1953
These things really happened. Documented history.

YankNBurn

03-22-2006, 12:13 AM

The Berlin Air Drops that the US did and most never heard about. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/peopleevents/pandeAMEX49.html

ledzeppelinlover

03-25-2006, 08:50 PM

i loved the 70's. movements, rights, fights, protests, and of course my favourite band ever Led Zeppelin in it's prime.

Flight From Ashiya

03-25-2006, 10:42 PM

The Post-war era: 1945-1975.

A mixture of good & bad but never dull & never disappointing!.

crummyrummy

03-26-2006, 09:58 AM

July 27, 2005

InfluentialHarmony

03-26-2006, 02:56 PM

dunno about favourite time, but subject is definately Mythology, Celt,Greek,Egyptian,Norse,Indian ect.. all of it!!

Island hopper

04-09-2006, 05:09 PM

That's a tough one. I'd like to go back to the time of the Inca empire, when it was at it's height. Most of it is under thick jungle now, hidden forever..

Yoseff

04-10-2006, 02:05 AM

i would have to say the defenistration of prauge

prodestants rushed into a building in prauge and threw the catholic ministers, (bishops i think) out of a 2nd story window

To defenistrate means to throw out of a winhdow, and even since i learnt about this it has become one of my favorit wordsAgreed! And the rest of the story is quite funny as well:

The Catholics landed unharmed. The Catholic's claim it was because Angels came down from heaven and protected them, while the Protestants claimed they landed in a huge pile of horse dung.

I'm gonna agree with the Protestants on this one.

Fav point in history:

Iberian Peninsula under Islamic rule. Fascinating how the three religions got along so well then, and can't now.

evsride

04-12-2006, 04:24 AM

Perhaps in ancient history when the Rocky mountain chain was formed beacause of all of the great times and inspiration I have found in that particular creation of mother earth.
Other than that I have recently had a lot of interest in the struggles of the Russian and Ukrainian people leading up to and during WWII. It is amazing to read of accounts where the Russians fought the Nazis tooth and nail to keep their homeland for themselves, even if it meant continuing living under the oppressive regime of Stalin. This has been influenced by the fact my stepmother is from Ukraine and I recently travelled extensively there. When I was in Ukraine as well as backpacking across continental Europe I read Stalin's biography and one book about the seige of Stalingrad....very surreal when you are travelling through the land where it all happened. These are sort of untold stories when it comes to what we hear in the US about the Allies. Mostly askewed towards the accompishments of the British and Americans and not showing the great sacrifices of the Soviet citizenry.

themnax

04-13-2006, 08:25 AM

probably any moment that did not favor increaced centralization. although it's not quite that simple either.

one, a relatively to me recent one, would be the second day after loma prieta when people DIDN'T riot and got along just fine being polite to each other dispite lack of coordination of centralized authority not having returned and the stop lights still not working.

the rather long 10,000year 'moment' in north america before it's being 'discouvered' by western europe.

the 'moment' during which the palace at knossoss was being built.

the moment when the goddess the second ruler of a consolodated nepal had tried to get a little too intimate with allowed him to retain his throne. there's a national holiday they have about that there. it's quite a story. all the more tragic what happened by contrast a few years ago, dollars to doughnuts at the instigation of america's cia.

when the space programs of russia and the u.s. sent up that joint space station.

the u.s.'s withdrawal from saigon, though not the unfortunate circumstances it took for that to happen.

and of course the rain hill early coalary steam competition.

the completion of construction of the sacramento norther inter urban.

both times i lived in the railroad company town of norden california on donner summet.
(all of the company housing and a lot of other things that were there long gone now).

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The Decay of Meaning

05-03-2006, 04:43 PM

Which moment in history do you find most interesting?
The various battles and the daily struggle of the guerillas in the Sierra Maestra.

HikerHauk

05-04-2006, 08:06 AM

the end of WW2

KshizZle

10-13-2006, 10:01 PM

My most favourite moment in History has to be the Civil Rights Movement. Ever since Year 9 I've always loved learning about Martin Luther King. It's amazing how he changed things. He inspired everyone and he's now a Historical figure that will never be forgotten. :]

Pepik

10-14-2006, 07:28 PM

The fall of the Berlin wall.

Lemongait

11-07-2006, 06:48 AM

My favourite moment in history?
The first moment I saw a certain girl this summer.

That, or the entire period from the crossing of the Berring straight until the Europeans showed up. Native American history, culture and mythology intruige me to no end.

branflakes

11-08-2006, 12:19 AM

Siddhartha Gautama obtaining enlightenment
Pericles' reign in ancient Greece
Augustus' rule of the Roman Empire
Newton finishes the Principia
Einstein tells about his theories of relativity
Albert Hoffman discovers LSD
Dark Side of the Moon is released

MollyThe Hippy

11-08-2006, 02:13 AM

leonardo da vinci building the pyramids

DQ Veg

11-08-2006, 02:33 AM

leonardo da vinci building the pyramids
:party: :jester: :lol: :spliff:

Razorofoccam

11-16-2006, 01:44 PM

The day Joseph Stalin died.

J0hn

11-16-2006, 02:57 PM

Channel tunnel being completed http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_12_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxmk570KMGB) Now this means I don't really have to do my shopping in England anymore. Once back in employment, i will consider going shopping in Calais. They have a supermarket and ciggerettes are very cheap. Also there is a euro terminal in Folkestone. I will look into it further.

That moment when French and English said hello to each other and shook hands for the first time in several years was the most heart filled moment of the 20th Century in terms of history.

themnax

11-16-2006, 04:44 PM

the day india became a nation is on my list.
the day hamarabi said "NO MORE THEN an eye for an eye"
the day the magna carta created the precident of habeas corpus

the day fox created dry land and coyote invented human people to live on it
(ok, so maybe the second was a mystake)

=^^=
.../\...

themysterytramp

11-16-2006, 08:27 PM

living in the shire before the ring to rule them all came back into the world

MollyThe Hippy

11-17-2006, 01:18 PM

when history ends

Any Color You Like

11-17-2006, 01:52 PM

the day india became a nation is on my list.The greatest peaceful victory.

MIIDAJ

11-18-2006, 01:14 AM

Jan 3rd, 2000. The day the Florida State Seminoles became the first wire to wire champions in ncaa football history.

Razorofoccam

11-18-2006, 01:16 PM

Also Einsteins 1905 paper on relativity
A 'mere' patent clerk redifines the human understanding of the universe.

Way to go albert...my hero

Occam

USA in decline

11-18-2006, 01:22 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&hl=en

themysterytramp

11-19-2006, 01:37 AM

The greatest peaceful victory.
peaceful??

MollyThe Hippy

11-19-2006, 09:55 PM

when albert einstein curved space

DQ Veg

11-20-2006, 08:37 AM

when albert einstein curved space:saucer: :1eye: :1eye: :saucer:

Razorofoccam

11-20-2006, 04:14 PM

:saucer: :1eye: :1eye: :saucer:
Woohoo..Lurch

The greatest actor on contemporary american film.
Especailly when he opened doors.

dirtydog

02-01-2007, 04:40 AM

My favorite moment in history was when I went all the way with my girl friend Sarah one night out at the architectural project grounds (1/2 mile NE of campus) and she kept going "Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you." It was terrific. I haven't forgotten her, and maybe she hasn't forgotten me, these forty years later.
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Other great moments: The Big Bang, or is that pre-history?
The dissolution of the Soviet Union (1 January 1992).

rambleON

02-02-2007, 01:31 AM

The last first contact. When in 1932 a group of whites discovered the last true isolated primitive peoples. These natives were completely unaware of anything outside their island and were baffled when they saw the "ghostly" whites and their gadgets.

When you think about this it truly leaves you in aw.

Razorofoccam

02-10-2007, 04:32 PM

when i was born

neponiatka

02-12-2007, 09:58 AM

when Hitler commited suicide depressed by the strength and courage of the russian army...:)

Razorofoccam

02-16-2007, 01:58 PM

when Hitler commited suicide depressed by the strength and courage of the russian army...:)

Nepo

WOW.. thats a real piece of historical conditioning.
Occam points out tha the soviet army gained it's strength in the forge of
battle with the german army. Before the germans attacked on 22 june 1941
the soviet army was a joke.
It cost the soviet peoples 10 milllion casualties to learn to fight 'well'.

ANd it won in the end, not because it's army was better. The germans
defeated soviet attacks right up to april 1945. But because it had 200
million people. and germany had 60 million.

Courage.? well. better to go forward with some hope than try to go backward. Going backward meant DEATH from the NKVD

Occam

themnax

02-17-2007, 12:12 PM

the moment that hasn't happend yet but inevitably will, when the cost/profit ratio becomes unprofitable to extract mineral fuels. i.e. "depletion".

=^^=
.../\...

BlackSheep77

02-22-2007, 12:01 AM

scratcho

02-22-2007, 12:20 AM

5:52 AM,May 3rd,1939.Me,in present form.

neponiatka

02-23-2007, 01:51 PM

themnax

02-23-2007, 05:37 PM

mine would have to be when the networks announced the nomination of john fitzgerald kennidy to run for president.

also watching the live feed as eagle sat down on the moon.

also i think when commie scare mccarthy was no longer in the sennate. though i'm entirely uncertain as to the actual date.

these are of course 'history' within my own life.

the 'fall' of saigon and the 'end of american' involvement in viet nam.

woodstock, desegrigation, the late 60s/early 70s in general.

the day my dad discouvered buckminster fuller.

the day i first read a poul anderson story in the onbase library at hill afb in utah.

before i was born, to add to what i've already mentioned. the tevitchic demo. the stocton and darlington motive power competition. the building of the nevada county narrow gauge railway between colfax and nevada city california.

perhapse the first stones being raised at stonhinge, aveburry and similar stone circles of their era.

the publication of agricola's in re mechanibus, or whatever it was called.

heroditus atmospheric engine.

verious and sundry odds and ends like that. mostly not exactly political headline stuff.

=^^=
.../\...

oncetwicepass

02-23-2007, 08:48 PM

when the greeks founded democracy..
alexander the great was pretty great..
stalingrad/pearl harbor...
thermopoly...
caesar and the non-roman emperors (basically the peak of rome)...
christopher columbus/vikings...
of course fire n the wheel!

oncetwicepass

02-23-2007, 08:55 PM

living in the shire before the ring to rule them all came back into the worldword

maryjanegirl_2005

05-03-2007, 07:06 PM

July 20th, 1969

Namaste

09-16-2007, 07:31 PM

The Stuart dynasty and the English Civil War.

Shamanic Steve

09-16-2007, 11:58 PM

14/05/1991

themnax

09-17-2007, 09:22 AM

the day the northern piutes won the battle of wadsworth.

=^^=
.../\...

elayne

09-17-2007, 02:05 PM

My favorite moment in history was when I went all the way with my girl friend Sarah one night out at the architectural project grounds (1/2 mile NE of campus) and she kept going "Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you." It was terrific. I haven't forgotten her, and maybe she hasn't forgotten me, these forty years later.
Love it - and of course she remembers you! :)

My favorite would be when Boudicca (or Boadicea), queen of the Iceni, kicked some Roman ass and took back her dignity!

dirtydog

09-20-2007, 03:39 AM

Nepo

WOW.. thats a real piece of historical conditioning.
Occam points out tha the soviet army gained it's strength in the forge of
battle with the german army. Before the germans attacked on 22 june 1941
the soviet army was a joke.
It cost the soviet peoples 10 milllion casualties to learn to fight 'well'.

ANd it won in the end, not because it's army was better. The germans
defeated soviet attacks right up to april 1945. But because it had 200
million people. and germany had 60 million.

Courage.? well. better to go forward with some hope than try to go backward. Going backward meant DEATH from the NKVD

OccamFor a detailed description of the mass murder and mass rape committed by the Soviet Army on the German people in 1945, see John Toland's book, "The Last 100 Days", Random House, New York, 1965, 631 pages. Of course, the Russian and related Soviet people were forced to fight to victory against German Fascism, or live as slaves. This does not forgive the atrocities they committed in achieving victory, which rival the atrocities committed by the Americans in defeating Japan.

Also, the consequences of imposing Stalinism on Eastern Europe for the following 44 years are well known.

dirtydog

09-20-2007, 04:03 AM

My favorite day in history is November 8, 1519—the day Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés encountered Aztec emperor Moctezuma for the first time, amid the majestic pyramids and palaces of Tenochtitlán.If Cortes meeting Moctezuma gives you good feelings, you must be ecstatic about the Manson girls meeting Sharon Tate.

The history of Spain in the Americas is a history of murder and enslavement, from Columbus right up to the time of the Bolivar revolutions of the early nineteenth century. Ask an Arawak Indian, if there are any left.

dirtydog

09-20-2007, 04:12 AM

Razorofoccam

09-29-2007, 01:59 PM

9/11

Razorofoccam

09-29-2007, 02:03 PM

For a detailed description of the mass murder and mass rape committed by the Soviet Army on the German people in 1945, see John Toland's book, "The Last 100 Days", Random House, New York, 1965, 631 pages. Of course, the Russian and related Soviet people were forced to fight to victory against German Fascism, or live as slaves. This does not forgive the atrocities they committed in achieving victory, which rival the atrocities committed by the Americans in defeating Japan.

Also, the consequences of imposing Stalinism on Eastern Europe for the following 44 years are well known.Dog..

Well said

Occam

Razorofoccam

09-29-2007, 02:08 PM

My second-most favorite moment in history (see above for my favorite) has to be the Big Bang, which occurred over a period of 10 to the minus 43 seconds or less, depending on which account you want to use. Of course the Big Bang did not end at any particular time. I also realize that strictly speaking this event, the creation of Creation, is not a historical event in the strict sense, but is only inferred from current physical data, observations and theories.Dog..

And is not likely to be the 1st such event.
OVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVER

Why do humans insist that ''they' are so important.?
That 'they' are the first?...ego crap.

Reality has ALWAYS EXISTED. [Creationism is rubbish,, and we all know it.]
It has no begining or end . EVER. and we a just a candle flame.
There are 2 absolutes. No more. no less.
Reality, and it's processing....change

Occam

lovelyxmalia

10-01-2007, 01:19 PM

My grandfather was awarded the most heroic man in his branch of the navy. I love learning about WW II for that reason.

Also, it was a terrible time, but I love learning about the holocaust. Not because of what happened during, but how it ended and everyone put the pieces back together.

dirtydog

10-02-2007, 09:42 PM

Dog..
And is not likely to be the 1st such event.
OVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVER
Why do humans insist that ''they' are so important.?
That 'they' are the first?...ego crap.
Reality has ALWAYS EXISTED. [Creationism is rubbish,, and we all know it.]
It has no begining or end . EVER. and we a just a candle flame.
There are 2 absolutes. No more. no less.
Reality, and it's processing....change
OccamOccam, when you use the term 'always existed', you are assuming the existence of time. The Big Bang is the creation of both space and time. Now when you say "It has no begining [sic]...", let's just say that you're saying so doesn't make it true.
When you say 'always', I believe you are referring to the set of all possible moments in time. Suppose there is a one to one correspondence between the set of all positive real numbers and the set of moments in time. The value zero is outside this set, and is in fact the greatest lower bound to the set. However, given any moment, there is a still earlier moment, greater than the zero value.
As for the 'over and over and over' bit, which Nietzsche liked, I don't see any current scientists supporting that argument. Maybe you can quote a reputable source?

dirtydog

10-02-2007, 09:51 PM

9/11Let me get this straight. You're saying that the premeditated murder of 2900 innocent civilians (excluding the Pentagon victims) who were burned alive or crushed to death is your favorite moment in history?

Razorofoccam

10-11-2007, 04:49 AM

However, given any moment, there is a still earlier moment, greater than the zero value.
Dog..

Who told u that lie? There IS no zero.

Like all transient beings. You cannot accept a thing without bounderies.
Reality has no beginning.
Or end.
Science cannot declaim such.
It knows very little on this issue.
It has NO IDEA, what existed before the bang.
So my ideas are as valid as theirs'
Occam says. reality has always existed. This removes so many questions.
Occams razor really works. If it does not fit in your head. that is a problem with your head. ...not reality.

Occam

Razorofoccam

10-11-2007, 04:55 AM

Let me get this straight. You're saying that the premeditated murder of 2900 innocent civilians (excluding the Pentagon victims) who were burned alive or crushed to death is your favorite moment in history?Dog

No. Im saying that the 9/11 event was the turnover from the
USSR being the 'bad guy' to osama being the bad guy
[even though he did nothing]
And that event was planed by the west. 'premeditated'
Read some history. No terrorists have EVER done such an event
It was organised within and without. And PS, the pentagon was hit by a missle. not a plane.

The US killed 50 thousand women and children in dresden feb '45. to show the ussr the power of the us airforce.
Don't EVER speak to me about the lilly white credentials of the west.
I will drown you in horror.

wake up

Occam

dirtydog

10-11-2007, 11:20 AM

Dog

No. Im saying that the 9/11 event was the turnover from the
USSR being the 'bad guy' to osama being the bad guy
[even though he did nothing]
And that event was planed by the west. 'premeditated'
Read some history. No terrorists have EVER done such an event
It was organised within and without. And PS, the pentagon was hit by a missle. not a plane.

The US killed 50 thousand women and children in dresden feb '45. to show the ussr the power of the us airforce.
Don't EVER speak to me about the lilly white credentials of the west.
I will drown you in horror.
wake up
OccamThanks, Occam, I am already awake.

I am well aware of the various atrocities committed by the United States and its allies in World War II and in Vietnam. I refused military service in the United States in 1971 and fled to Canada rather than do five years in jail. In fact I did three weeks in jail in pre-trial custody.

As to the 9/11 attacks being planned by the west, and the Pentagon being hit by a missile, not a plane, please state your sources. I think it's not too likely that all the media would mistake a missile for a plane. The history on that point is beyond dispute.

You had best take your own advice and read history, rather than make things up at the keyboard.

Razorofoccam

10-12-2007, 05:59 AM

I think it's not too likely that all the media would mistake a missile for a plane. The history on that point is beyond dispute.
You had best take your own advice and read history, rather than make things up at the keyboard.Dog

The media??? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA
would not know the tuth ..or care. it wants nothing but RATINGS

Flying horizontal...? at 500kmh +
no wrekage at impact point.
14 foot impact hole...?
Lump of steel pops out in courtyard. [thus it had to be flying horizontal.
or wrekage could not appear in central courtyard....duh. do the math]

sounds like a SRAM or a TLAM [goggle it if you dont know what a sram or tlam is.. and i think you dont.]

i dont make things up at keyboard.
You say you know what US and west has done... I think you dont know 98% of it.

Occam

Pepik

10-12-2007, 08:15 AM

A plane flying horizontal? That is so crazy! Who'd believe that?

dirtydog

10-12-2007, 05:39 PM

No wreckage at impact point? State your sources!

Razorofoccam

10-12-2007, 05:47 PM

No wreckage at impact point? State your sources!dog

Show me photo of said wreckage...?
I deny event.. it's up to you to prove event.
Basic science, show data..i try to disprove....show me some data
Surely photos must exist. Of such a profound event.
If you cannot. ergo. then wreckage never existed.
No plane fuselage or wings lying around?
funny that.

occam

dirtydog

10-13-2007, 05:47 AM

I trust the media to report matters such as the 11 September 2001 attack on the Pentagon accurately. Now don't take it personally Occam, but I'm not sufficiently interested in convincing you of the facts to research the subject on your behalf.

The link http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
has videos of the event as well as various eyewitness accounts. I haven't downloaded the videos because I have a low speed, dial-up modem which ties up my machine for long periods whenever I download a video.

Also, just because Flight 77's turbines didn't show up on the photographs taken from a distance doesn't mean they weren't found. And, if Flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon, just where did it touch down? What happened to its passengers and crew? Maybe you're going to tell me a UFO landed and took them away?

Razorofoccam

10-15-2007, 02:06 PM

Dog

You trust the media.????...Accept their total lack of evidence but for the government line, which provides no evidence....LOLOOLOLLOL

No more need be said. poor sad fellow. No 'plane' hit the pentagon....
Ever.

Occam

Pepik

10-15-2007, 10:42 PM

Why is it that people who don't trust "the media" have no problem believing things they find on the web?

Pressed_Rat

10-16-2007, 09:03 AM

Why is it that people who don't trust "the media" have no problem believing things they find on the web?Because what's put out by the media is always put out with an agenda, and that is to deceive people and keep them in the dark. The people who own the media don't want the public to know too much, so it's better to keep them distracted with tabloid fluff about Britney Spears or Tom Crusie. Any serious issues that are covered are never covered in any detail, so you're really only getting part of the story, and that always comes with some sort of political spin to polarize people.

That's not to say you should believe everything on the web, either, because a lot of that is also disinformation and put out with an agenda. It's up to intelligent people with discernment and knowledge of things to determine for themselves what to believe and what not to believe. When it comes to the media, you don't have a choice because it's all coming from the same source.

Zajko

10-22-2007, 02:02 AM

end of WW2
and Russia won,.. am i right
No, Japan won by surrendering unconditionally, laying down their arms, and putting their resources into taking over the world economically.

Razorofoccam

10-30-2007, 12:49 PM

Why is it that people who don't trust "the media" have no problem believing things they find on the web?Pepik

I 'believe NOTHING', without at least 5 independent sources of valilidation.

Thus i do not believe in the bible.
But DO believe in einsteinian time dilation. [time is plastic]

I believe 9/11 happened. But it was an agenda of the west, not islam.
Building 7 is irrefutable.
Peak oil my friend.. will change the world.

Occam

midgardsun

12-22-2007, 08:19 AM

When we started making fire and agriculture.

Tool Army2012

12-23-2007, 10:07 AM

My favorite time in the past is when we dropped the atom bombs. We now have a small part of the sun in our hands. My favorite part in the future will be when Bush gets booted out of office :D

Razorofoccam

12-27-2007, 04:35 AM

My favorite time in the past is when we dropped the atom bombs. We now have a small part of the sun in our hands. army

Thats sik// luv it. The west had ALL in their grip.. and did not waste the ussr.
thats ahistorical.. almost ethical.. MINE FUHRER. IT IS TIME..."Im too tired"

Occam

TheMadcapSyd

12-30-2007, 05:43 PM

My favorite time in the past is when we dropped the atom bombs. We now have a small part of the sun in our hands. My favorite part in the future will be when Bush gets booted out of office :D While I think using the bomb was a good idea, you do realise that near 100,000 people had to die when they were used right?

Beckner420

12-31-2007, 09:36 AM

My favorite part of history would be the look on the faces of the people who thought the earth was flat when they found out it wasnt.

existing

01-01-2008, 03:55 AM

July 4th 1776,

the day the greatest nation ever created was born.

also the event that transformed the French monarchy, in which there was a domino effect throughout Europe Eliminating most poverty and injustice and rise of the middle class.

Bonkai

01-14-2008, 06:43 PM

TheMadcapSyd

01-14-2008, 08:49 PM

WWII - I'm only 22 so of course I wasn't around then but everytime I look at WWII documents/videos I always feel that it was a war between good and evil. The best part is good won....Also it was the catalyst for America becoming the top world power.It's not as black and white as good winning over evil, the end of WW2 marked the start of 45 years of communism for eastern europe

Bonkai

01-15-2008, 04:26 AM

It's not as black and white as good winning over evil, the end of WW2 marked the start of 45 years of communism for eastern europeI'm sure that was way better than the Axis totally eliminating Russia and conquering Eastern Europe.

Razorofoccam

01-25-2008, 01:44 PM

I can talk about the geopolitical results of a german victory over the ussr for
days

come get some

occam

Asmodean

01-29-2008, 01:18 PM

WWII - I'm only 22 so of course I wasn't around then but everytime I look at WWII documents/videos I always feel that it was a war between good and evil.
Well, it really wasn't. Every country had it's own agenda and reason to get mixed up in this shit. Power and money were higher on it then just beating evil.

Razorofoccam

02-29-2008, 03:59 AM

My favorite part of history would be the look on the faces of the people who thought the earth was flat when they found out it wasnt.Bekner

Hahahahhahhhahhahahhahhhaaaaahahahaaaaa
LOL LO LOL LOL

I know hundreds of people like that.. cant wait.. some STILL think the earth is flat LOL

Occam

Razorofoccam

02-29-2008, 04:17 AM

WWII - I'm only 22 so of course I wasn't around then but everytime I look at WWII documents/videos I always feel that it was a war between good and evil. The best part is good won....Also it was the catalyst for America becoming the top world power.Bonkai

Well ;dog; went back to his kennel. Copped out.

Being 22 has no import.
You can learn all there is to know about ww2 in 5 years.
[datawise of course.. we were not there]

Good did not win.. the US and the USSR won.

And yes.. It MADE america. Americans should THANK GOD for hitler.
He forged their isolationist backwater intoa superpower.
hehehe' ;)

Could germany have won ww2?
Hmm.. based on a thousand feeds..and experience.. i'd give germany 1 to 5 odds. [it's the numbers u see.. and the psychosis]
The operational planers like manstein and guderian were second to none.
The best in the world at that time.
It's the leaders.. They were insane

Occam

eagle86100

03-01-2008, 08:15 PM

end of WW2
and Russia won,.. am i rightRussia won but so did America.
Germany lost. Japan lost. THE WORLD WON!
WWII ended. The Cold War started.
Russians lost. Americans won.
Yesterday is gone. Today is another day. Who knows about tomorrow.

eagle86100

03-01-2008, 11:26 PM

I have so many favorite moments in history, e.g.
(A) The fall of Berlin Wall
(B) Kosova Independence Day

El Generale

11-22-2008, 08:57 AM

The Berlin Air Drops that the US did and most never heard about. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/peopleevents/pandeAMEX49.html

Berlin Airlift an "American Operation" the airlift was begun by the British Royal Air Force and as with most things in the 1940's America came late to the party. The majority of the aircraft operating in to Berlin were British . There were also Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and South African aircrews involved.

El Generale

11-22-2008, 09:24 AM

Ancient history is my bag. I love researching about Egypt, Rome. Also like to find out about my own country and it's diverse history. i think it important for people to know where they come from. You should probably start with researching you nations history, look right back to the earliest civilizations and bring right on up to modern day, you'll find it fasinating and the added bonus with researching your own nation to start with is that you can visit places and feel really connected.

Enjoy History, it makes us what we are. :cheers2:

dirtydog

11-25-2008, 02:56 PM

I can talk about the geopolitical results of a german victory over the ussr for days. Come get some. occam
Occam:
The Germans had a good chance to capture the Ukraine and possibly other parts of the Soviet Union, because the Ukraine was very fed up with the Soviet dictatorship, Khruschev, and forced famines and collectivization. Unfortunately the Germans acted like savage beasts wherever they went. Had they acted responsibly and given Ukrainian nationalists some rights and autonomy, Ukrainians would have embraced liberation from communism, as did Vlasov and his fellow soldiers.

Of course, the Germans were not responsible, otherwise they wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

questing400

11-28-2008, 04:45 AM

Just to reply to the title of this thread (I don't mean to derail it at all..)

The intentional ingestion of LSD by Dr. Albert Hoffman. Could have changed the world.

And I still think it will one day.

Katie1985

12-05-2008, 10:44 PM

I enjoy reading about America as it was in the early 20th century. History has always been my favorite subject in high school and college.

opel diamond

12-06-2008, 03:06 PM

El Generale

12-11-2008, 02:10 PM

my favourite periods to study, are the 2WW and most other wars, ancient egypt, jurrasic periods and the tudors. as for moments, jfk assasination and conspiracy theories in history are another of my favourite. :) also love natural history. history is great :D

Which other wars and why? Egypt is a masive period and fascinating have you read any of Graham Hancocks stuff about the pyramids? Also there is a French bloke can't remember his name right now but a lot of his books have been translated into english he is very knowledgeable, have you every visited?

I would love to do more research and gain a greater understanding of Anthropology. Currently studying Amazonian Indians and there relationships to each other and to Westerners and how we can learn and help each other.

*kushbaby*

12-11-2008, 02:11 PM

i dunno if this counts but this semester i took a class about the old testament. and wow. i've never learned so much.. i mean it's all pretty much history. just with religion in it.

but if you're talking like recent.. i'd most def have to say holocaust/WWII

veiled1

12-11-2008, 10:41 PM

What????????????????

TheMadcapSyd

12-11-2008, 11:09 PM

What????????????????

I think she meant in terms of it's value as being an interesting thing to study

veiled1

12-11-2008, 11:27 PM

wow I was worried there for a little while..My favorite part of history has to be when scientists discovered the oldest written book..The Epic of Gilgamesh..and it was about the authors fear of a God. That proves that we have long been a thinking, feeling,species way before anyone ever thought...

opel diamond

12-13-2008, 01:50 PM

Which other wars and why? Egypt is a masive period and fascinating have you read any of Graham Hancocks stuff about the pyramids? Also there is a French bloke can't remember his name right now but a lot of his books have been translated into english he is very knowledgeable, have you every visited?

Yeah, Fingerprints of the gods I have read and i've also read the mars mystery...i know thats got nothing to do with history as such but i really enjoyed his books. might read them again at some point. what did you make of them?

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 02:22 PM

Ancient history is my bag. I love researching about Egypt, Rome. :cheers2:

Generale

Then this should interest you.
I discovered why the north american rail system has a gauge of
1,435 mm.

It's the same as the wheel gage on roman chariots.

1.Chariot makes groves in roman road. 'Ruts'
2.Locals copy axle width to fit ruts.
3.Gigs made to standardise axles.
4.European gigs standardise to 1435mm
5.Trams invented. Tram axle use gigs for carts. 1435mm
6.Trains invented.Use gigs for trams.1435mm.
7.Transport system exported to north american with colonisation.
8. Pig headed americans stick with 1435 mm gauge just like they
stick with imperial feet and inches.
Arrogant yanks.

Occam

does2

12-13-2008, 02:30 PM

My favorite moment in history...?
Easy answer!

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200801/r219664_861848.jpg

does2

12-13-2008, 02:31 PM

Or seriously. It would have to be the invention of electricity.

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 02:54 PM

My favorite moment in history...?
Easy answer!

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200801/r219664_861848.jpg

what is this crap?
My pecks are bigger or .
I spend 99.9% of my time exercising my body , not my brain. And it shows.

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 02:55 PM

A moron can be an athlete.
A moron cannot understand a singularity.
A thinking being can be an athlete.
A thinking being can understand a singularity.
ergo
Be a thinking being. Not a moron.

Unfortunately statistics show that 9 out of 10
athletes do not know what a singularity 'could even be'

occam

Eric von Estangen

12-13-2008, 03:02 PM

When de Gaulle met his brother, Satan.

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 03:03 PM

When de Gaulle met his brother, Satan.

LOLOLOLLOLLOL

But what of petain?....sniker

El Generale

12-13-2008, 03:07 PM

Yeah, Fingerprints of the gods I have read and i've also read the mars mystery...i know thats got nothing to do with history as such but i really enjoyed his books. might read them again at some point. what did you make of them?

Fingerprints was fantastic, but found Mars a little more difficult to swallow. Not sure about the whole life on mars thing. But an interesting read. What started your interest?

opel diamond

12-13-2008, 03:26 PM

Fingerprints was fantastic, but found Mars a little more difficult to swallow. Not sure about the whole life on mars thing. But an interesting read. What started your interest?

yeah it was a very good read. i didnt know about the mars one either. i enjoyed reading it though. i dunno really what started my interest, i guess i have been fascinated with egypt since i first studied at school in primary. lol. its just been a subject that ive always been into. history in general. and natural history. :)

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Life on Mars.

Jesus wept. Why not look for life on the sun?
LIFE. Will be in OTHER solar systems... DUH.
You know.. the OTHER 400 billion stars that we can see.. DUH>

hmmmm

occam

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 03:36 PM

If you believe alien rectal probes and 2012 an life on mars.
Well
I wount accept it.. surely you have more brains than that.

occam

Ntjtzwyxgs

12-13-2008, 03:38 PM

do you want to know Chinese history

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 03:41 PM

A friend of mine TOLD me that area 51 exists.. .
I said
" i would be a complete fool to accept that something exists on the heresay of one person."

'heresay'? he said
exactly . said i.

Objective has no "friends"

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 03:43 PM

do you want to know Chinese history

No. and i dont think anyone else does either.

The chinese are insrutable.

The wiley chink.

occam
:0

odon

12-13-2008, 03:43 PM

what is this crap?

Sportsmanship.
Not Academia
Two different pursuits for happyness.

I guess when I was born, safely.

Ntjtzwyxgs

12-13-2008, 03:52 PM

i think china is a strange country for abroad friends

Asmodean

12-13-2008, 04:17 PM

Chinese history is pretty awesome. I find it at least as interesting as the history of ancient Egypt!

Ntjtzwyxgs

12-13-2008, 04:34 PM

emmmm
a little...
now i must go sleeping
11:30pm in china
so...have a good time

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 04:37 PM

Ah..
I think 'sportsmanship'
is another way of saying
'your an an asshole but i will smile while i say it.'

No?

Occam

Razorofoccam

12-13-2008, 04:38 PM

Respect...

odon

12-13-2008, 04:52 PM

Ah..
I think 'sportsmanship'
is another way of saying
'your an an asshole but i will smile while i say it.'

No?

Occam

No.
Many people gain a lot from sport.
They dedicate themselves to it infact.
The Aussie swimmer being one of them.
To call someone a moron for choosing sport over academia is not very smart of you - moronic would be pushing it...certainly slightly stupid.
Plus:
1: How do you know he does not know what a singularity is?
2: Doeas it really matter if he doesn't?
3: Saying: "The wiley chink." removes about 50 IQ points you may have had.:rolleyes:

trekker

12-14-2008, 10:22 AM

The day I was born. No, I don't have a big ego. :)

opel diamond

12-14-2008, 01:25 PM

also El Generale, i think the french chap may be christian jaq......??
i asked my hubby as he reads a lot on egypt and he said it would be him :)

El Generale

12-27-2008, 12:57 AM

also El Generale, i think the french chap may be christian jaq......??
i asked my hubby as he reads a lot on egypt and he said it would be him :)

Thanks Opel, that's the geezer.

Good books, hubby has taste and not just in his choice of lady ;)

:cheers2:

broony

12-27-2008, 03:12 AM

when my brother was born. i was 5 and i wont describe my feelings.

dirtydog

12-27-2008, 07:32 PM

I was going to say the day I died, but I'm a vampire and do not have the privilege of dying.

About that signature photo. I'm not saying Maximilian is a werewolf, but every time there's a full moon, at midnight he turns into a teenage boy, then he turns back into a dog at dawn. Very frightening.

SydFletcher

01-22-2009, 02:32 AM

My favorite moment in history is 15. september 1975. It's the day when Pink Floyd released Wish you were here.

:cheers2:

Harpo

01-22-2009, 05:06 PM

1760 - A London instrument maker and inventor, Joseph Merlin, attended a masquerade party wearing one of his new inventions, metal-wheeled boots. Joseph desiring to make a grand entrance added the pizzazz of rolling in while playing the violin. Lining the huge ballroom was a very expensive wall-length mirror. The fiddling skater stood no chance and Merlin crashed solidly into the mirrored wall, as his roller skates crashed into society.

Kratos

01-26-2009, 04:13 AM

Houston, the eagle has landed!

I'll never forget it. I was five and watched it live on a 13" black and white TV.

meridianwest

02-14-2009, 12:39 AM

Napoleon's first Italian campaign.
Napoleon's escape from Elba and subsequent march to Paris.
Battle of Waterloo.

Battle of Alesia between Caesar and Vercingetorix.

Baldassare Cossa becoming a pope in 1410.

mozart_hippie

02-14-2009, 04:22 PM

Gettysburg address. Magna Carta. Discovery of wheel.

inky-moonshine

02-15-2009, 01:21 AM

Christmas 1914. Although what happened for the next 3 years after that wasn't so great.

waukegan

02-15-2009, 01:31 AM

are you talking about the halt in fighting in the trenches during ww1? that was great. too bad they all just able to continue celebrating and just go home.the generals didn't like it much though.

inky-moonshine

02-17-2009, 01:20 AM

are you talking about the halt in fighting in the trenches during ww1? that was great. too bad they all just able to continue celebrating and just go home.the generals didn't like it much though.

Yeah. I was talking about that. My great uncle was there, though sadly he didn't live long enough to be able to tell me about it. I wish it could have just made everyone see how wrong the fighting was, but sadly, wars don't work like that :(

noela

03-03-2009, 04:34 AM

the French revolution is amazing to learn about, with like Marie Antoinette and Louis ...
but nothing beats the 60s :)

Asmodean

03-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Eric von Estangen

05-31-2009, 07:20 PM

When Charles de Gaulle died and Satan forked his arse.

dirtydog

06-01-2009, 01:38 AM

Yeah. I was talking about that. My great uncle was there, though sadly he didn't live long enough to be able to tell me about it. I wish it could have just made everyone see how wrong the fighting was, but sadly, wars don't work like that :(
Are you trying to undermine my Ratheon and General Electric stocks?:mad:
(Just joking of course.)

dirtydog

06-01-2009, 01:45 AM

Oh yeah, the French revolution and other rapid consequences of the age of enlightenment are one of my favourite periods as well. I bet the sixties would be nothing special without the age of enlightenment :biggrin:
I was around in the sixties. We knew goddam well we weren't in any age of enlightenment. We were just trying to stay free and stay out of the reach of pig oppression. Some of us succeeded and some didn't. I was personally able to flee pig military enslavement by emigrating from the Amerikan state.

Back to Great Moments in History. How about 30 April, 1945? The day Adolf Hitler put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Too bad he didn't do that twelve years earlier...

caliente

06-01-2009, 03:43 AM

Eric von Estangen

06-01-2009, 03:46 AM

Sortez du Canada. Nous n'avons pas besoin de plus de lâches, vous cochon.

NotDeadYet

06-01-2009, 03:24 PM

1989, the fall of communism in eastern Europe and the first definitive steps toward collapse of the Soviet Union. I once thought I would never live to see it.

Asmodean

06-01-2009, 05:11 PM

I think my most favorite historical time was in North America before the Europeans arrived. I would love to be able to see the Pueblo villages in the Southwest before the Spaniards, or the Plains tribes before the pioneers started pushing westward.

These periods in North America seem great to me as well, especially the plain tribes appeal to me. Although when we're really talking about favourite moments or times in history I have to say the 20st century is roughly the most fascinating to me. Not in the least because of the developments in North America but also because of the involvement of the europeans in the whole world, from India til Africa (especially the middle-east and north Africa) and also how it shaped the present. Industrialisation and revolutions (especially in Europe) and so on. But yeah, I have been intrigued by the culture clash of white men and the indians (and chinese for that matter as well, although that realisation came later) since I was a child. Now that I think of it I didn't even picked sides. The cowboys and bountyhunters were immensly cool as well :cheers2:

caliente

06-02-2009, 12:37 AM

I have been intrigued by the culture clash of white men and the indians since I was a child.

Me too, but I have a hard time reading books and articles about the culture clash now because it makes me so angry. It also irritates me that many modern historians seem to have the idea that Native history began when the Europeans "discovered" them. Most Native groups have an extensive oral history and mythology that is largely ignored.

Personally, I've studied the Southwest tribes the most because that's where I live, and their oral traditions are incredibly fascinating. It's amazing to me that the Hopi oral history, for instance, is given less credence than the early chapters of the Old Testament, which is also based on oral traditions passed down for thousands of years. I realize that oral traditions can't always be relied upon to be factually accurate, but just to give one example, if the Hopi people adamantly insist that their ancestors did not cross into North America via the Bering land bridge, why can't the anthropological community believe them?

Hmm ... sorry to drift off-topic. As a favorite period in history, I think it's hard to beat Pre-Columbian North America.

dirtydog

06-03-2009, 05:59 PM

It also irritates me that many modern historians seem to have the idea that Native history began when the Europeans "discovered" them.
My understanding is that, as a farce, some American Indians (aka First Nations People) sailed east a few years back and 'discovered' Italy. A quick Google search I performed revealed no information about this, so I don't know if anyone really did this or not.

Most of us realize that from day one of their invasion, Spain set out to enslave every Arawak or other native they could lay their hands on. Columbus himself was shipped back to Spain in 1500, in chains, for gross incompetence and mismanagement of Hispaniola. It bothers me to see mountains, rivers, towns and an entire country named after this dirtbag.

According to Wikipedia, justice was served on the first expedition of Columbus.There is increasing modern scientific evidence that this voyage also brought syphilis back from the New World. Many of the crew members who served on this voyage later joined the army of King Charles VIII in his invasion of Italy in 1495 resulting in the spreading of the disease across Europe and as many as 5 million deaths. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoper_Columbus
Sorry, I made the mistake of trying to read through the above article start to finish, and I just can't go on right now.

caliente

06-03-2009, 11:56 PM

There is increasing modern scientific evidence that this voyage also brought syphilis back from the New World.

You're saying that syphilis originated in the New World? Wow, I never heard that.

hotwater

06-04-2009, 11:33 PM

caliente

06-05-2009, 12:05 AM

The greatest day in this countries history was the day O J Simpson was acquitted
in the death of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson :cheers2:

My friends and I partied well into the night, because for the first time in american history
white people were given a brief glimpse into the struggle for justice in America :eek:

Hotwater

Maybe so, but he still did it. The trial was more about the nincompoops in the LAPD and prosecutor's office than it was about guilt or innocence.

hotwater

06-05-2009, 03:23 AM

Maybe so, but he still did it. The trial was more about the nincompoops in the LAPD and prosecutor's office than it was about guilt or innocence.

Of course he gave nicole that colombian neck-tie; but the lesson the
trial offered reverberated throughout the civilized world http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Hotwater

waukegan

06-05-2009, 07:30 AM

the end of the 19 th century and beginning of the 20 th century to me was very interesting .music,sports,architecture,fashions,literature,the atre,film,dance ,photography etc all had greats creating lasting works.

dirtydog

06-05-2009, 04:07 PM

Of course he gave nicole that colombian neck-tie; but the lesson the
trial offered reverberated throughout the civilized world http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Hotwater
You seem to think the hideous murder of this woman was funny. You seem to think the release of this murderer by a black racist jury was some kind of joke. You seem to think that having a black skin is a license to kill.

You sound to me like a goddam black racist, like the black racists that acquitted Simpson. I don't have time to listen to this nonsense. Simpson finally got what was coming to him, but for a less serious offence. He also went to Florida to avoid paying the court ordered fine delivered by the civil suit.

Simpson will be cooling his heels in Indian Springs Prison, Nevada, for quite a few years. Good place for him.

hotwater

06-05-2009, 10:09 PM

You seem to think the hideous murder of this woman was funny. You seem to think the release of this murderer by a black racist jury was some kind of joke. You seem to think that having a black skin is a license to kill.

You sound to me like a goddam black racist, like the black racists that acquitted Simpson. I don't have time to listen to this nonsense. Simpson finally got what was coming to him, but for a less serious offence. He also went to Florida to avoid paying the court ordered fine delivered by the civil suit.

Simpson will be cooling his heels in Indian Springs Prison, Nevada, for quite a few years. Good place for him.

You could not possibly be more wrong :mad:

I think the death of nicole was tragic but not in vain, and while in my youthful enthusiasm I did indulged in celebration (as did african americans throughout the united states) I had an opportunity to reflect on johnny cochran’s plea to the jury, and he was right; it was more important to send a message to the american people on the state of race relations in
america than lock O J Simpson behind bars for life http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Hotwater

NotDeadYet

06-05-2009, 10:15 PM

it was more important to send a message to the american people on the state of race relations in america

What message do you think it sent? I saw this case only as a man accused of murdering his wife and another guy. I didn't give a damn if he was purple with green stripes. Either he did it, or he didn't.

hotwater

06-05-2009, 10:58 PM

What message do you think it sent?

That the state of race relations are in discourse when racist police officers like mark fuhrman
are tolerated on the LAPD, and even encouraged :mad:

Hotwater

caliente

06-05-2009, 11:09 PM

like the black racists that acquitted Simpson.

I disagree. First of all, the entire jury wasn't black, and anyway I don't think they had any choice, given the case that was presented to them. The way I saw it, this trial basically had two defendants, Simpson and the LAPD. It was patently obvious that Simpson committed the murders, but a jury can only convict on what's presented to them.

The LAPD (and by extension the prosecutor's office) screwed up everything they could have possibly screwed up. They were a textbook case of incompetence and how not to conduct an investigation and gather evidence.

If the idiots doing the investigation had half a brain, Simpson would have been on death row within two weeks.

I could also add that Cochran and his gang must be the world's largest consumers of Sominex. How else would they be able to sleep after getting Simpson off for something this atrocious?

That the state of race relations are in discourse when racist police officers like mark fuhrman are tolerated on the LAPD, and even encouraged

That's an entirely separate issue, and it's not what got Simpson off. And surely you don't think that's what Cochran was going for. Cochran was trying to keep his guy from getting the needle, and the case was basically handed to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was point out the screw-ups of Furhman and all the others.

dirtydog

06-05-2009, 11:21 PM

You could not possibly be more wrong :mad:

I think the death of nicole was tragic but not in vain, and while in my youthful enthusiasm I did indulged in celebration (as did african americans throughout the united states) I had an opportunity to reflect on johnny cochran’s plea to the jury, and he was right; it was more important to send a message to the american people on the state of race relations in
america than lock O J Simpson behind bars for life http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Hotwater
It seems to me Simpson was sending "a message to the american people on the state of race relations in America" when he hacked Brown and Goldman to death with a knife. And you say you're happy that he walked free. The message I get is that you're happy about hacking white people to death with knives. You were happy then, and you're happy now. There was a black extremist group some years back called Zebra, an offshoot of Elijah Muhammad's group, that was doing just this in the Bay area (California) for a while. Fortunately they were off the street before too long. I don't suppose you heard of them?

hotwater

06-05-2009, 11:41 PM

It seems to me Simpson was sending "a message to the american people on the state of race relations in America" when he hacked Brown and Goldman to death with a knife. And you say you're happy that he walked free. The message I get is that you're happy about hacking white people to death with knives. You were happy then, and you're happy now. There was a black extremist group some years back called Zebra, an offshoot of Elijah Muhammad's group, that was doing just this in the Bay area (California) for a while. Fortunately they were off the street before too long. I don't suppose you heard of them?

Come on now you’re just being argumentative :mad:

You know exactly what I’m saying; this case had wider implications than merely the death of two innocents.

While I grieve the death of ron and nicole, you have to learn to grasp the big picture http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/images/icons/icon14.gif

btw: I've never heard of Zebra

Hotwater

hotwater

06-06-2009, 12:02 AM

That's an entirely separate issue, and it's not what got Simpson off. And surely you don't think that's what Cochran was going for. Cochran was trying to keep his guy from getting the needle, and the case was basically handed to him on a silver platter. All he had to do was point out the screw-ups of Furhman and all the others.

CBS News took a national poll just hours before the verdict was reached, 75% of whites thought O J Simpson was guilty, while 75% of blacks thought him innocent.

While that is telling and given the makeup of the jury which consisted of 9 blacks, 2 whites, and one hispanic/asian (the foreperson of the jury being black) Johnny Cochran’s plea to the jury which was thoughtful and moving had a profound effect on the jurors.

In plain english he was telling them to acquit O J Simpson, and to send a message from coast to coast that “we’re not going to take it anymore” :cheers2:

Hotwater

waukegan

06-06-2009, 12:27 AM

i've never been to jail or court.and if i was i would tell the truth and not try to wiggle my way out.perhaps this is part of the reason i've avoided the court system altogether.if i was on trial i certainly wouldn't want a jury sending any kind of message.their job was to find quilty or not quilty.that's what i thought anyway but like i said i haven't had much experience in that department.the thought of celebrating a verdict,in my opinion does seem somewhat....i don't really know what the word would be and besides everyone has their own occassions for celebration.mine would probably seem boring to alot of people.birthdays,annivarsaries and so on.....ii should edit this though too.i didn't follow that court case too closely.i actually found better things to do with my time.celebrity court cases don't really interest me.besides i was working alot and didn't have much time.

dirtydog

06-06-2009, 12:54 AM

hotwater

06-06-2009, 01:18 AM

Hotwater:
Gee, I must have missed something. I thought Orenthal Simpson was being tried for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. Period. Where did I go wrong? How come I don't grasp the big picture?

For the Zebra killings in which 16 white people were murdered by black extremists (but O.J. did his best even if he only got two), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_killings

It started out that way; then somewhere along the way the trial became bigger than either
ron or nicole and ultimately even bigger than O J Simpson

It became referendum on the LAPD; and with their long storied history of violence and intimidation of blacks beginning with nazi brown shirts like daryl gates at the helm;
they were tried by a predominantly black jury and were found guilty :cheers2:

Hotwater

dirtydog

06-06-2009, 01:26 AM

There you have it. The jury found the police guilty (of what?) and let a murderer go.

I only have one more comment. I'll say it only once, and I'll say it nice and slow so that even you can understand it.
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/we_dont_call_911.jpg

waukegan

06-06-2009, 01:33 AM

i don't understand it.sorry.

hotwater

06-06-2009, 01:50 AM

i don't understand it.sorry.

Daryl Gates, The Rodney King Trial, The LA Riots,...etc. and the prosecution had the nerve,
they had the mitigated gall to dredge up mark fuhrman from the wastelands of
humanity to testify at the trial :mad:

The same mark fuhrman who said “whenever I see a black man and a white woman
together in a car I pull them over” and “I’d like to gather them all up in pile and
set them ablaze” :eek:

Hotwater

waukegan

06-06-2009, 02:00 AM

oh o.k. you know i'm interested in history especially u.s. history. the good the bad.racial issues have been a part throughout it's history.....like i said the simpson trial didn't interest me all that much.maybe there was more of a landmark case to it than i was aware.it just didn't seem to me it should have been and i don't want to diminish anyone's opinion on it.i respect everyone's views.i didn't understand the t-shirt logo about 911.that's ok...i gotta go watch wrestling with my grandson..i'll be back later.

waukegan

06-06-2009, 04:32 AM

in 1903 driver horatio nelson and mechanic sewall crocker become the first to drive across the u.s. . the trip from san francisco to new york city takes 63 days....later that same year the wright brothers make their first flight in north carolina.

dirtydog

06-06-2009, 05:14 PM

26 December 1991.
Following a lengthy procedure led by Boris Yeltsin, the Soviet Union by vote of its Supreme Soviet declared it no longer existed, and was replaced by the Russian Federation and fourteen other republics. The best day since the Wall came down two years earlier in Berlin. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union#Reforms_of_Gorbachev_and_collapse_of_ the_Soviet_Union

"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to." -- Vladimir Lenin

NotDeadYet

06-06-2009, 06:12 PM

In plain english he was telling them to acquit O J Simpson, and to send a message from coast to coast that “we’re not going to take it anymore”

It is not legal or constitutional for a jury to decide to use a criminal case to send a larger message. If you are right, then they essentially set themselves up as a fourth branch of government, temporarily. They were given a specific job to do, and they chose to do something different. That is nothing to celebrate.

waukegan

06-06-2009, 08:09 PM

i suppose it is a tactic used by lawyers sometimes to sway a jury however.i think i hear you though hotwater. there have been many cases of injustice in this country....in 1920 in duluth,mn. three men were lyched by a mob before they could stand trial on rape charges.a nineteen year old woman had told authorities that she had been raped by circus workers.the doctor who examined her could find no evidence of rape however.there was a trial for the leaders of the mob that lynched the men but noone was ever convicted.i learned of this case awhile back when i was reading the lyrics to dylan's desolation row..."they're selling postcards of the hanging..."....another famous athlete, heavyweight boxer jack johnson's problems with the law .he was the subject of the play and film "the great white hope".pretty good film by the way.it was a long time ago that i saw it but i remember being impressed with the cinematography....there've probably been many bad court trials for all races but my views on the simpson case are still the same.i can respect what others views might be though too......i would add also about the great white hope that both jane alexander and james earle jones were great in the roles they had reprised from the broadway show.

hotwater

06-06-2009, 08:12 PM

It is not legal or constitutional for a jury to decide to use a criminal case to send a larger message. If you are right, then they essentially set themselves up as a fourth branch of government, temporarily. They were given a specific job to do, and they chose to do something different. That is nothing to celebrate.

It’s called Jury Nullification :cheers2:

Hotwater

waukegan

06-10-2009, 02:44 AM

mine would be lunch time.in the old days,100 years ago or so most saloons had free lunches as long as you bought something to drink with it.at lunch time you could get over to the saloon and have some food and beer before heading back to work.if you were broke you could find,beg,borrow or steal enough to get yourself something to eat.i imagine the food was pretty salty to make you thirsty for more beer.

Asmodean

06-10-2009, 01:13 PM

Hehe, if this thread was about favourite places in history I'd add the saloons for sure as well! :biggrin:

http://gallery4collectors.com/images/LeeDubin-WesternSaloon.jpg

waukegan

06-10-2009, 02:32 PM

i wonder where that saloon was.perhaps a hotel of sorts upstairs.

Asmodean

06-10-2009, 02:34 PM

It could be a fictional one. It looks slightly romanticized.

Evolving_N

06-10-2009, 10:50 PM

There are so many... currently I'm particularly interested in the consistently corrupt and self-serving attitudes of powerful nations when it comes to economics and international relations from 1815 onwards. And, for some reason, the social and religious make-up of the Byzantine Empire up to the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

I'm a total nerd.

caliente

06-10-2009, 11:13 PM

Hehe, if this thread was about favourite places in history I'd add the saloons for sure as well! :biggrin:

http://gallery4collectors.com/images/LeeDubin-WesternSaloon.jpg

I'm that chick in the middle, sneaking a peek at the cards.

caliente

06-10-2009, 11:14 PM

I'm a total nerd.

Nerds can be sexy, too.

waukegan

06-10-2009, 11:21 PM

a few days back i thought about but didn't write about 1812. with napoleon invadeing russia and the british army and navy in the united states.it would appear there was a world war of sorts but my understanding is that the two events had little to do with each other but i wonder if these events would cause the economic and international relations you spoke of.1815 was the year the war of 1812 ended with the battle of new orleans.it's kind of strange this battle was fought 2 weeks after the treaty to end the war had been signed but it took weeks for news to reach from europe to north america.

caliente

06-10-2009, 11:26 PM

it's kind of strange this battle was fought 2 weeks after the treaty to end the war had been signed but it took weeks for news to reach from europe to north america.

I guess the satellite delay to CNN was really bad back then.

waukegan

06-10-2009, 11:35 PM

here's a thought of a moment in time from raintree county by ross lockridge jr....."hard roads and wide will run through raintree county,you will hunt it on the map and it won't be there. for raintree county is not the country of the perishable fact. it is in the country of the enduring fiction. the clock in the courthouse tower on page 5 of the raintree county atlas is always fixed at nine o'clock,and it is summer and the days are long."

waukegan

06-10-2009, 11:41 PM

well you know cnn was just starting up as was satelite communications...they were still working the kinks out of the system.

waukegan

06-11-2009, 02:17 PM

i went and looked at fossils from the ordivician period.hundreds of million years old.braciopods,little cheerio shaped bones,little tree like animals.and trilobites.crab like animals.cepholpods i think are in the same group as squids.

Evolving_N

06-12-2009, 10:37 AM

I was around in the sixties. We knew goddam well we weren't in any age of enlightenment. We were just trying to stay free and stay out of the reach of pig oppression. Some of us succeeded and some didn't. I was personally able to flee pig military enslavement by emigrating from the Amerikan state.

Back to Great Moments in History. How about 30 April, 1945? The day Adolf Hitler put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Too bad he didn't do that twelve years earlier...

What would have been better still would have been a unified workers movement in the Austro-Hungarian and Russian Empires. Were such a movement succesful, WWI would possibly not have happened (although a local war may have been probable).

I know this doesn;t help anything, but ... um... sorry.

I'm gonna make a new vodka and "other liquid" thingy.

waukegan

06-13-2009, 02:57 PM

it seems the spanish-american war in 1898 was the beginning of the foreign affairs the u.s. still has.the events leading up to it.the invasion from tampa,fl. to cuba .the aftermaths and it's beginning of it's foreign interests.some great old moving pictures of troops in cuba and popular re-enactments by the edison company and other newpapers films survive.i have viewed them on the library of congress web site.it sounds like there was quite a national furor in this country but there were also notable writers such as mark twain and edgar lee masters urgeing restraint.about 25 years ago i had the oppurtunity to talk to one of the last survivors of that war.he was over 100 at the time.

caliente

06-13-2009, 03:01 PM

it seems the spanish-american war in 1898 was the beginning of the foreign affairs the u.s. still has.

One of the "forgotten" wars.

waukegan

06-14-2009, 08:29 PM

in 1898 outside the small town of kensington,mn. a runestone was discovered by farmer olof ohman in the roots of a tree he was digging out.the runes would suggest the vikings had been in the interior of north america 1n 1362.the authenticity of the stone has been debated for 110 years.i've read one book on the subject by historian theodore blegen and he concluded the stone to be a fake.i took a trip to see the discovery site in west central minnesota and the stone itself in a museum in the nearby town of alexandria,mn.it is nice country out in minnesota.although the runes may be a fake i found the story surrounding it worth a trip.and their football team's name is dependant on it being real.that the vikings were already on the eastern part of canada at this time it seems possible using waterways they could have reached the interior of the continent.

waukegan

06-15-2009, 01:43 PM

the popularity of art deco and streamline in designs from the 1930's.

waukegan

06-23-2009, 03:46 PM

zombiewolf

06-23-2009, 10:24 PM

http://www.desertusa.com/mag99/july/papr/kumeyaay.html

"When Father Junipero Serra entered the San Diego area in 1769 to build the first California mission, he encountered a thriving population of peaceful and hospitable Native Americans living in the area. "They are fine in stature and carriage, affable and gay. They brought fish and mollusks to us, going out in their canoes just to fish for our benefit. They have danced their native dances for our entertainment," he wrote in his journal...

After conscripting these local Indians to build Mission San Diego de Alcalá, the Spanish, consistent with their habit of naming Indian groups after the mission whose jurisdiction they were under, called these 25,000 to 30,000 natives the Diegueño.
The term Kumeyaay was coined by native people and F. Shipek in the 1970s and is all inclusive of Diegueño and Kamia, the Yuman-speaking Indians of Imperial County over the mountains east of San Diego County.

...In spite of the efforts of Spanish missionaries to convert the San Diego-area Kumeyaay to Christianity and the use of presidio soldiers to subdue them, many bands resented the European intrusion and the Kumeyaay remained the most resistant of all California Indians to subjugation, revolting on several occasions.

This tenuous relationship between the Kumeyaay and the Spanish continued until Mexican independence in 1821. Nonetheless, by the time of mission secularization, the Kumeyaay population had dwindled to about 3,000 due to disease, loss of ancestral lands and various other causes. Freed of mission control, most Kumeyaay fled to the mountains where they could not be forced to work for the Mexican settlers or the army, and the population started to rebuild."

ZW

waukegan

06-23-2009, 11:17 PM

dirtydog

06-24-2009, 01:59 AM

the pancho villa ordered raid on columbus,nm. and the attempt by the u.s. army's so called punitive expedition.the 10,000 man force led by general john pershing into mexico to find and capture villa in 1916-17 was unsucessful.
What's so great about a deadly raid that accomplished nothing but burning a town and stealing some mules? Here's Wikipedia's summary:On 9 March 1916, General Villa ordered nearly 500 Mexican members of his revolutionary group to make a cross-border attack against Columbus, New Mexico. The raid was conducted because of the U.S. government's official recognition of the Carranza regime and for the loss of lives in battle due to defective bullets purchased from the United States. They attacked a detachment of the 13th Cavalry Regiment (United States), seizing 100 horses and mules, and setting part of the town on fire. 18 Americans and about 80 Villistas were killed.
Would the dead and wounded of either side consider this to be a great event? I imagine it hurts like hell to get shot to death.

waukegan

06-24-2009, 02:31 AM

well geeze dirty dog,you're right.the funny part of it is i was thinking i should edit my post to make sure people don't mistake what i think of as favorite as compared to interesting for me.my intent wasn't to come across as a violent war monger or anything.for some reason though there are periods in history i find interesting.that i noted villa's forces killed innocent townspeople and destroyed property and the army never caught up with him does not mean i condone the actions.i think it has more to do with my interests of that era.it was a terrible time in history.war was on in europe and the u.s. was about to enter the fray.thanks for bringing that to my attention .i didn't want it to sound like i was happy.i think part of it i wanted to summerize the event and it didn't come through the right way.

zombiewolf

06-24-2009, 02:33 AM

interesting. it inspired me to further reading .thank you.the mission building it seems remains there....the presidio would be an interesting archeology study....most interesting though is the land and the people that inhabited it.

Of all the natives of the southwest, I wish I could have been Kumeyaay.
They were said to be almost childlike in disposition, laughing and playing most of the time, when they weren't taking naps! So efficient were their hunting and gathering skills that they were left with much more free time than modern man, some anthropologists posit.

I think they had the original SoCal "Spicoli" 'tude...("All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.") :cool:

Of coarse, I would want to have been born way before the Spanish ever showed up! :D

ZW

caliente

06-24-2009, 02:41 AM

So efficient were their hunting and gathering skills that they were left with much more free time than modern man, some anthropologists posit.

That was true in general of hunter-gatherers, although we really should say "gatherer-hunters". Something like 70% of their calories came from the gathering side, which of course was mostly done by women.

zombiewolf

06-24-2009, 03:04 AM

That was true in general of hunter-gatherers, although we really should say "gatherer-hunters". Something like 70% of their calories came from the gathering side, which of course was mostly done by women.

Ha ha yeah I'm imagining a conversation between two Kumeyaay men who are supposed to be hunting...

"Dude, were supposed to be hunting"

"Yeah, I know... fuck it, I'm pretty sure the ol' lady's got a big pile of those roots by now.
let's just burn another bowl and take a nap. I think we already spooked the game anyway...(giggle)"

"Yea, Cool (more giggling)"

ZW :D

waukegan

06-24-2009, 03:13 AM

aw nothing it wasn't that funny.i was gonna ask if you think your wife was going to make any pies or cookies today.....what kind of snacks did people eat in those days?baking etc.....i've tasted some really good fried bread.

zombiewolf

06-24-2009, 03:35 AM

aw nothing it wasn't that funny.i was gonna ask if you think your wife was going to make any pies or cookies today.....what kind of snacks did people eat in those days?baking etc.

Shit man, anything sugary had to be pretty rare...
I imagine the only sweets they may have gotten were wild honey or maybe "Pitaya Dulce" from organ pipe cactus.

ZW

waukegan

06-24-2009, 01:54 PM

getting back to the use of the word great in historical terms.the great war etc...i want to learn from the past so i'll often try to put myself into the tough spots.feel what they felt best i can.i think it would be interesting to see what columbus,nm looks like today and to see where these terrible events happened.i take two history trips a year.summer i head north.in the fall i head south.columbus is pretty far for me though.there's other places closer i'd just as soon see.....and i was thinking of galveston ,tx. in 1900 the hurricane that came through.i've read it was worse than katrina.in 1900 how could they effectively communicate .by ships out in the gulf.but it just wasn't like todays standards.

caliente

06-25-2009, 01:45 AM

Ha ha yeah I'm imagining a conversation between two Kumeyaay men who are supposed to be hunting...

"Dude, were supposed to be hunting"

"Yeah, I know... fuck it, I'm pretty sure the ol' lady's got a big pile of those roots by now.
let's just burn another bowl and take a nap. I think we already spooked the game anyway...(giggle)"

"Yea, Cool (more giggling)"

ZW :D

Meanwhile, the women are saying ... "damn that ol' man ... rabbit again???"

neonspectraltoast

06-25-2009, 02:09 AM

Franz Ferdinand getting shot. I know it's not a good moment, but a dramatic one. Right now, anyway. Pearl Harbor may be a tie.

waukegan

06-25-2009, 02:48 AM

that was something.i've read alittle about it.photos.would the war still happen.i guess but still........somewhat related.in 1901 at the world's fair in buffalo,ny.president wm mckinley shot and killed.roosevelt becomes president for next 7 years.i've watched films of mckiley at the fair...one clip is filming the crowd outside waiting to see the president.when the shots go out you see the crowd trying to see what has happened inside the hall.films of the funeral also.the library of congress web site has lots of old film to warch.

zombiewolf

06-25-2009, 03:37 AM

Meanwhile, the women are saying ... "damn that ol' man ... rabbit again???"

He he, exactly :D

Seriously, I think some SW native women even today, get the shitty end of the stick all in the name of "tradition"
I remember this one account where this anthropologist saw a Hopi family walking down the road, sometime in the 1970's. The woman was carrying everything, child on her back, a large bag over her shoulder, and pulling a cart. The man (husband) was walking completely unencumbered. When asked, replied simply "It's traditionally women's work... ":rolleyes:

You've come a long way, baby...? :o

ZW

waukegan

06-26-2009, 10:28 PM

i was reading about places in hawaii where people slid down hillsides on sleds.what they did was build a level course with rocks .packed sand on top of that and covered that with grass and leaves to make it slippery.the best preserved course and the largest is called the keauhou holua slide on the island of hawaii.

dirtydog

06-27-2009, 03:56 AM

Franz Ferdinand getting shot. I know it's not a good moment, but a dramatic one. Right now, anyway. Pearl Harbor may be a tie.
It's widely considered that Ferdinand's assassination triggered WWI. A cartoon I particularly like shows a newspaper dated 12 November 1918, with a headline --
ARCHDUKE FOUND ALIVE.

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/ferdinand.jpg

caliente

06-27-2009, 08:46 PM

waukegan

06-28-2009, 06:57 AM

i read up some on the assasination of archduke ferdinand.the events of that day 95 years ago today.the timeline of events and so on.and the stories of the conspiracy to kill him.they were determined to kill him....i read up on the treaty of versailles.that's interesting also.i had read about those events long ago so it was good to refresh my memory.

waukegan

06-28-2009, 11:00 PM

in sports...i was watching a track and field meet on t.v. yesterday and i thought back to the 64 olympics and watching the close 10,000 meter race.i've read it's considered one of the biggest upsets in olympic history but the contestants themselves may not feel that way.

Didymus Doppelgänger

06-28-2009, 11:13 PM

Idk. My favorite was when "Freedom of Religion" was written into the First Ammendment. My Least favorite was when i realized they should of written "Freedom FROM Religion".

caliente

06-29-2009, 09:23 PM

Idk. My favorite was when "Freedom of Religion" was written into the First Ammendment. My Least favorite was when i realized they should of written "Freedom FROM Religion".

Too bad they forgot to add "Freedom from whining."

NotDeadYet

06-29-2009, 09:54 PM

Something like 70% of their calories came from the gathering side, which of course was mostly done by women.

Did they learn that from the lions, or were the guys just smarter than average? ;)

caliente

06-30-2009, 12:24 AM

Did they learn that from the lions, or were the guys just smarter than average? ;)

:p

raz5

06-30-2009, 12:26 AM

mine is wwII

waukegan

06-30-2009, 03:32 AM

everything about those war years is interesting.the war itself.very few places in the world escaped being affected by it.....then there was the music,dances,fashions.of course the people .i think they earned the name the greatest generation.

waukegan

06-30-2009, 10:47 PM

the ragtime era and the vaudeville era in entertainment.i guess they happened about the same time.

Mr Kite

07-01-2009, 01:32 PM

Not EXACTLY my fav as such,but John Lennon saying ,truefully,in 1966,that The Beatles are more popular than christ.

waukegan

07-01-2009, 02:21 PM

yes i remember that. it caused quite an uproar at the time.i remember when the fab four came to my hometown in the mid 60's.two of my sisters went to the concert.we were just talking recently about it and they said they were surprised my folks let them go.fun times.

Asmodean

07-01-2009, 02:26 PM

It's widely considered that Ferdinand's assassination triggered WWI.

The breaking out of WWI is now considered to have been inevitable and the triggering of it started already in 1870/1871 and indeed came to an outburst with the assassination of Frans Ferdinand.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Battle-Mars-Le-Tour-large.jpg/800px-Battle-Mars-Le-Tour-large.jpg

psychedelic goddess

07-01-2009, 06:28 PM

too many moments to list here, but the one that tends to stand out in my mind this time of year is the storming of the Bastille - vive la revolution!!! :D

vasik

07-01-2009, 06:43 PM

When I was born.

Asmodean

07-02-2009, 12:50 PM

too many moments to list here, but the one that tends to stand out in my mind this time of year is the storming of the Bastille - vive la revolution!!! :D

What about the dutch revolt against the spanish empire! :cool:

Asmodean

07-02-2009, 03:03 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Spanish_Armada.jpg

Painting of the defeat of the Spanish armada by the english :D. Overly romanticized pic by the way, but yeah, it looks cool :)

etherea

07-02-2009, 03:14 PM

The Berlin wall coming down. democracy is alive and well even though it doesn't always appear that way

waukegan

07-03-2009, 08:38 PM

it was about time they tore that wall down....i was reading about the painting of the spanish armada above.i read who it is by but i forgot already.short term memory.anyway it's such a dramatic painting and it is fun looking at it.the choppy water,the fire,the clouds and everything.....anyway i'll relate a trip i took a couple years ago .first i went to st. joseph,mo. the house jesse james was killed in.the house has been moved a few blocks from it's original location.it's right next to an old hotel from the 1850's .the hotel also housed the business offices of the pony express.the barn and work area are a couple blocks away.anyway the james house was a good museum to see.then down to kearney,mo.to see where james was born and called home.then down by liberty to see the bank that launched his robbery career.then back to kearney to see the cemetery the james family is buried at.then up to northfield,mn. where they hit a snag with the failed bank robbery in that town.about 40 miles from there in madelia,mn. where some of the gang was captured in some swampy land on the edge of town.interesting sites and many movies have been made about these events. so it was nice seeing what these locales really were like.

neonspectraltoast

07-03-2009, 08:43 PM

That painting is great. Love it.

waukegan

07-07-2009, 05:42 PM

seeing a one room schoolhouse is an interesting experience.maybe some of us even attended one.in sudbury,ma. is the redstone school.about 100 years ago it was moved from nearby sterling.in 1817 mary sawyer's pet lamb followed her to school.i've never been there but it is furnished with school equipment of that era.

waukegan

07-09-2009, 06:28 PM

the great crush collision of 1896. railroad agent wm. crush staged a collision of two trains near waco,texas. composer scott joplin wrote the great crush collision march to commemerate the event attended by over 30,000 people.the site of the collision has a historic marker there now.....casey jones crashed near vaughn,mississippi in 1900....the first known train robbery occured near seymour,indiana in 1866....buffalo bill's wild west show travelled extensively by rail.the logistics of putting that big of a show out on the road in those days must have been quite an undertaking.

caliente

07-10-2009, 04:40 AM

buffalo bill's wild west show travelled extensively by rail.the logistics of putting that big of a show out on the road in those days must have been quite an undertaking.

I remember reading that when Buffalo Bill saw the first motion picture, he figured the days of his show were numbered, and began planning to get out of the business. I'm not so sure that was totally true at the time; circuses still did quite well, after all.

It may not be true now, either. He could incorporate it into rodeos or something.

waukegan

07-13-2009, 02:05 AM

going through a ghost town.seeing what remains in that vicinity is a favorite moment in history travel.

psychedelic goddess

07-13-2009, 07:51 PM

i used to tour many ghost towns while i was growing up - they are so cool, so otherworldly....like a cross between a museum and a cemetery - i love it!

waukegan

07-14-2009, 02:20 AM

on the outskirts of some towns are historic villages.structures collected from all over the county.schools,stores,houses,depots,churches,etc.p robably sometimes they are from nearby ghost towns.it's an interesting subject.

waukegan

07-15-2009, 03:29 AM

i don't suppose too many of you know that i am a ghostwriter from casper,wyoming....in 1932 the international peace garden was begun on the border of north dakota,u.s.a. and manitoba,canada. the garden is a very nice place to visit.acres of gardens in both countries.it is a pledge of good will between the two countries.pledging never to go to war with each other.if a war is declared it shall be determined by the outcome of a hockey game.

Didymus Doppelgänger

07-15-2009, 03:31 AM

My favorite moment was when i came out of my moms vagina.

themnax

07-15-2009, 09:41 AM

some of my favorite moments in history haven't happened yet, but sprague's invention of multiple unit railway operation is probably one of them.

waukegan

07-19-2009, 03:06 PM

space exploration.there are many historic sites around the world associated with space exploration....in 1903 the french film a trip to the moon is made.in 1969 the first landing on the moon occurs.but the films made of the moon landings are very similar to the 1903 film leading some to believe that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax.....march 22 2228 captain james t. kirk was born in riverside,iowa.........in 1926 on what is now a golf course in auburn,massachusetts dr robert goddard launches the first liquid propelled rocket.