jews/germans etc;

[WeeDMaN]

ya I wanted to discuss a bit about some shit thats been bothering me lately. I still hear alot of shit from stupid people/little kids when they argue calling germans Nazis cuz they killed jews. But at the same time Ukrainians say the same thing, but nobody ever looks towards palastine where kids are brought up to shoot jews and hate them.... I have a jewish friend that always brings up how Im german n all , haha so I tell him to stfu or I send him to a camp n he always thinks Im half serious lmfao. But seriously its been like 55 years since somebody figured that shit out you think people would actually shut the hell up about it and move to something else? Like Fidel Castro torturing American Soldiers or Irans involvement with nucleur engineering lately. Or how if you are caught with like any drug in thialand you could be executed....or how white people are hated half way across the world and it isnt even safe for them to walk threw fuckin jamaica anymore cuz you gotta watch yourself and where you wonder off too. Not to pick on one certain country cuz I personally think it would be a beautiful country to visit too. But anyways you know what im tryin to say right??

[harshhookah]

Yes Right On

But the whole Nazi/German/Jew thing is kinda insane. And dont forget 9/11. Everyone has their own twisted way of running something.

[SilverClover14]

I'm Jewish and don't have anything against Germans. An ex boyfriend of mine even had a grandfather who was in the Nazi army. People's heritage, while important, means nothing in terms of past events. You can't help who your family was or where they're from.

[Ole_Goat]

ya I wanted to discuss a bit about some shit thats been bothering me lately. I still hear alot of shit from stupid people/little kids when they argue calling germans Nazis cuz they killed jews. But at the same time Ukrainians say the same thing, but nobody ever looks towards palastine where kids are brought up to shoot jews and hate them.... I have a jewish friend that always brings up how Im german n all , haha so I tell him to stfu or I send him to a camp n he always thinks Im half serious lmfao. But seriously its been like 55 years since somebody figured that shit out you think people would actually shut the hell up about it and move to something else? Like Fidel Castro torturing American Soldiers or Irans involvement with nucleur engineering lately. Or how if you are caught with like any drug in thialand you could be executed....or how white people are hated half way across the world and it isnt even safe for them to walk threw fuckin jamaica anymore cuz you gotta watch yourself and where you wonder off too. Not to pick on one certain country cuz I personally think it would be a beautiful country to visit too. But anyways you know what im tryin to say right??

Well, its been a little over 60 years since the end of WWII, considering other conficts in Europe, 60 years isn't that long of time. The Protestants and Catholics have been killing each other for 300 years in Nothern Ireland, some in the Arab world still talk of the Crusades as if it ended only recently. I'm sure there are other localized irratations lasting over a thousand years.

Personally I tend to think when some groups of people have an agenda who never allow history to be place in its proper context (in the past). The agenda usually involves the control of power, or more to the point, the control of the treasurey. Other times the ancient wrongs is used to rally pulbic sentiment to their cause. By refering to the Crusades, some Arabs are trying to convince their populations the occupation of Iraq, Afaganistan, bases in Saudi Arabia (now removed) is the most recent invasion, attempting to destroy Islam by the Western world: the 4th Crusade.

It keeps them in power (or influencial) by designating a powerful enemy which must be defeated at all costs.

However these possibley flawed explanations doesn't seem to explain your Jewish friend. A more reasonable explanation is he's jerking your chain. Jerk back. Convince him he should buy a Volkswagen.

[weaselpop]

I agree with Clover... I mean, on one side of my family I have slave owners in Trinidad, and on the other I have a great uncle who was in a nazi labour camp for being a communist. And then there's the catholic english bit, and the protestant irish bit, and that seems like I've got it mixed up. The list goes on, consciencous objectors, people who died in WWII... well, I can't think of anymore but you get my drift.

Anyway, I don't hide any of this, good or bad, cause it's damn interesting, to me, and it does nothing to influence who I am. It's just history. Like this section of the forum.

As for the Germans, my gran spent six months there in 1938, and she'd get random people coming up to her, complaining about Hitler, because she was a foreigner and they were sure she wouldn't get them in trouble.

Oh yeah, the Catholic/Protestant thing in Northern Ireland is a little more complicated than that.

[guy]

you know what - i have wondered exactly where hitler got his money from to build his war machine and concentration camps? does anyone know? does anyone know exactly which banks gave him this money? the results might teach us alot.

[stoney69]

but nobody ever looks towards palastine where kids are brought up to shoot jews and hate them right, tell me again ..who are the occupiers ? and i suppose palestinians also get the right to hate germans coz israel wouldnt have been created if not for the nazis!

[WeeDMaN]

right, tell me again ..who are the occupiers ? and i suppose palestinians also get the right to hate germans coz israel wouldnt have been created if not for the nazis!

yes, but again, I am not pointing a finger, it was an example dude. Im not racist and Ive never had a problem having a good conversation with other races including palestinian.

[stoney69]

i dont think i called you a racist

..and when you say what you've said about palestinians, it doesnt come off as an example unless you mention 'hypothetically speakin' coz it aint factual!

[drumminmama]

actually, the palestinian situation is the Brits' fault.
They trucked in Arabs from the region in an attempt to pressure Jews out of coming to Israel (then the Palestine) post WWII.
I'm all for a two state solution, with the neighboring nations also contributing land and infrastructure.

[demosthenes]

Guy....I think you know, and you just want people to find out for themselves.
It's plainly documented who funded Hitler. You know...but little tid-bits like that won't get people searching...you might just have to come out and say it.
And anyway, History is a crock, I'm gonna make my own post about it right now.

[guy]

hmm palestine... well i suppose before the brits got there very few people lived there, must have been devoid of any civillisation/ "terra nullis". you know this was the kind of excuse the brits had for australia, you know the rest. its difficult to have a discussion on the palestine "issue" because religion clouds it. my advice if you want to know about palestine and whats going on there - go there, first hand experience is invaluable, trust me.

[weaselpop]

ARRRGGGHHHH!! Not the palestine/isreal thing! My friend's dad is isreali, and she just can't get over the "poor jews" thing, and the fact that there are some (most?) israelis that are against the bad things israel does matter, whereas the fact that most palestinians don't agree with the bad stuff palestinians have done doest. And then she makes me feel anti-israeli, and pro-naughty-palestinians, and then I get confused, and I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!

A-hem

Yep.

[Flight From Ashiya]

The Historian David Irving has been jailed for 3 years in Austria for stating that the Holocaust did not take place.
The Austrians warned him that he would face prosecution if he returned to Austria to lecture.Even though I feel that the prison sentence is a little harsh, David Irving was given full warning beforehand,that Austria would not tolerate his falsification of historical facts.

[mr.morrison]

god, i hate it when people do that. "OH your german so you hate jews"

it wasnt the germans that killed the jews. it was the nazis. and there are plenty in america. so they could say "americans hate jews"\

fucking idiots doing that need to get their facts straight

[Megara]

um, the nazi's were overwhelmingly supported by the german people.

However, people born after ww2 did nothing wrong.

[mr.morrison]

but it still wasnt the germans that did it. some germans were part of the massacre. but it wasnt the german people. it was the nazi party

[Megara]

but it still wasnt the germans that did it. some germans were part of the massacre. but it wasnt the german people. it was the nazi party
that's foolish.

How about we reduce it even further "it wasn't the nazi party, it was the people who ran the concentration camps."

[mr.morrison]

no, all im saying is you cant group an entiore group of people into a catagory that most had nothing to do with. would you say "Middle easterns hate americans". if you did that would be dumb to say because only the minority of extremist terrorists hate us. they are just the loudest. if all the republicans all of a suddon went on a "lets kill buddhists" rampage and you were a democrat would you want people saying "americans hate buddhists"? no you wouldnt want people to say that because you are an american and know many americans that had nothing to do with it

[Triumph Hurricane]

no 1 mention that jews before the roman empire kick theyr ass = they had a king+army and they did invade ,kill and pillage villages and cities.

[Triumph Hurricane]

The Historian David Irving has been jailed for 3 years in Austria for stating that the Holocaust did not take place.
The Austrians warned him that he would face prosecution if he returned to Austria to lecture.Even though I feel that the prison sentence is a little harsh, David Irving was given full warning beforehand,that Austria would not tolerate his falsification of historical facts. i guess freedom of thoughts and ideas dont go well in austria <--just as bad as the nazis.

[sef]

mr mojorisin is on the right track.
while the war was against germany... it wasnt the germans that wanted what happened. they supported hitler for other reasons then the supposed final solution. once a man takes office he can do things he wants even if it makes his favor go down...( bush )
the nazis were the people that did the bad things. it could be directly compared to some newspaper articles from outside the US after the bush re-election saying that americans were stupid for re-electing him, not saying that only over a half voted for him...

i hate the 'poor- jewish people' argument too, (can i say) most jews who are in palestine are 'foreign'. any that i have met you can ask where they are from and the will say israel and if you ask before that they will tell you somewhere else. where as palestinians will say that they are from palestine..

very bad post sorry

[seancourt]

no, all im saying is you cant group an entiore group of people into a catagory that most had nothing to do with.What the fuck are you talking about? you know how many germans supported hitler? yea you can't mash all germans into the nazi catagory, but an assload of germans supported hitler, even though there lives were threatened if they didn't, there were still so many who supported him openly, you still always have a choice, and not supporting that piece of fucking garbage would be a better idea, fuck life, it's only temporary, look what happened as a result because they had noone else to turn to, almost an entire religion is exterminated. Millions of innocent people murdered. that is as evil as it can get.

[seancourt]

to the people who don't believe it ever happened, suck a fat fuckin dick you ignorant pieces of shit

[dd3stp233]

Most Germans, during WW2, didn't know what was going on in the camps. The U.S. had internment camps and imprisoned many Japanese people and ethnic Germans without committing any crimes. Most U.S. citizens didn't know about these camps. Of course the U.S. ones didn't have zyclon showers or anything but the point is they could have and hardly anyone would have known about it. The same went for Germany, most people there had no idea what was really going on.

The SS branch of the Nazi Party was primarily responsible for the war crimes associated with the camps. Which was a relatively small group of people. Also the camps were operated by a division of the SS. Out of 1 million members of the SS, only 50 thousand were brought up on charges after the war.

The bigger victoms of WW2 would be the Russian's with an est. 23 million people killed and China - 10 million killed. Let alone that of German concentration camp deaths, the jews were only half of all the people killed.

[seancourt]

only 50 thousand were brought up on charges after the war.

The bigger victoms of WW2 would be the Russian's with an est. 23 million people killed and China - 10 million killed. Let alone that of German concentration camp deaths, the jews were only half of all the people killed.
Lets just throw around, "only fifty thousand people were brought up for charges of murdering innocent people" the bigger victims? the russians were fighting the war, so really they weren't victims like the jews who were killed for no real legitimate reason except for some insane motherfuckers wacked out beliefs. Dude your a fucking idiot, the people of the concentration camps were the victims, millions of innocents killed. how the fuck can u even say they were bigger victims, they suffered more casualties, they were not bigger victims, get your shit straight

[dd3stp233]

The majority of those people in Russia and China were civilians. The Russians did not start the war against Germany and the Chinese did not start the war with Japan. How are civilians bombed and otherwise killed anyless of being a victom. The Japanese did horrific things to the Chinese much worse the Nazi's did to the jews. You should probably read some history rather then attack people based your beliefs rather then facts.

What about the other 5-11 million est. non-jews killed in the camps, why does anyone bring that up.

What I am saying is that most fo the German people didn't know about it. The Nazi's owned and controlled all the media/newspapers etc. too. The SS was mostly responsible for these crimes not the German people. In fact, people that spoke up or opposed the Nazi's in any way, were sent to the Camps.

Hilter wasn't even German, he was born and raised in Austria.

[Megara]

wtf? Russia didnt start the war? HELLO THEY INVADED POLAND WITH HITLER!

i am now firmly convinced you do not know what you're talking about.

[WeeDMaN]

hmm palestine... well i suppose before the brits got there very few people lived there, must have been devoid of any civillisation/ "terra nullis". you know this was the kind of excuse the brits had for australia, you know the rest. its difficult to have a discussion on the palestine "issue" because religion clouds it. my advice if you want to know about palestine and whats going on there - go there, first hand experience is invaluable, trust me.ya, I feel somewhat sorry for them, but on the other hand Im kinda pissed, although sticking to thier own beliefs is ok, Its sad when you see a kid on television holding an Ak-47 saying "I have to go kill the jews". That kid needs to be going to school and doing kids what do, not killing for thier religion. Im sure none of you have seen what it looks like when someone gets brutaly filled with AK rounds. Kids seeing that and gaining all that trauma wont be mentally healthy in the future, when they think back about what they used to have to do to another race. and worse, another fellow human.

Id never ever go down there lol. White boy scared to go there.

[Aristartle]

Me too, Megara.

[WeeDMaN]

ARRRGGGHHHH!! Not the palestine/isreal thing! My friend's dad is isreali, and she just can't get over the "poor jews" thing, and the fact that there are some (most?) israelis that are against the bad things israel does matter, whereas the fact that most palestinians don't agree with the bad stuff palestinians have done doest. And then she makes me feel anti-israeli, and pro-naughty-palestinians, and then I get confused, and I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!

A-hem

Yep.One day nobodys gonna give 2 shits about religion, and thats when we'll achiebe peace, kinda makes me wonder if religions where just made for us to argue over.

[seancourt]

wtf? Russia didnt start the war? HELLO THEY INVADED POLAND WITH HITLER!

i am now firmly convinced you do not know what you're talking about.I agree with you

[Triumph Hurricane]

Stalin = starve millions before the war even broke out with the germans . also it was Stalin and Hitler that decided to invade poland , stalin keep killing after WW2 was over.

[dd3stp233]

What I meant was that Russia didn't start the war against Germany.

FYI - Japan started world war 2, 2 years prior to the invasion of Poland (1939), with the invasion of China (1937). Some historians mark the begining with Italy's attack on Ethiopia in 1935-1936.

In the war, the Chinese lost approximately 3.22 million soldiers. 9.13 million civilians died in the crossfire, and another 8.4 million as non-military casualties.

[Ole_Goat]

wtf? Russia didnt start the war? HELLO THEY INVADED POLAND WITH HITLER!


FYI - Japan started world war 2, 2 years prior to the invasion of Poland (1939), with the invasion of China (1937). What I meant was that Russia didn't start the war with Germany.
If I remember my history somewhat correctly, Hitler invaded Poland about a month after he signed an Non-Aggression tready with Stalin. In the agreement, they would carve up Poland between themselves. This arrangement lasted until Hitler broke the treaty in 1941 and took the rest of Poland, continueing on to almost to Moscow.

Japan, however, was involved in China prior to 1937. Again, if I remember my history correctly, Japan bombed Nanking China in 1937 (The Rape of Nanking). Depending on the account, between several hundred thousands to a million Chinese civilians died during the assault and occupation.
Japan invaded Manchuria about 1931. Can't recalled the details at the moment, but it had to do with some sort of incident at a railroad.
In other words, Japan had been at war a full 10 years by the time they bomb Pearl Harbor.

[Triumph Hurricane]

IM glad some 1 alse bother to read history here = thank you Ole Goat.

[sef]

the white rose??

[Megara]

and japan took control of korea even before invading manchuria.

It is called a world war because so many countries were involved simultaneously. That started with the invasion of poland and the declaration by the UK and the other allies on germany, not some war that involved 2 countries

[yovo]

One day nobodys gonna give 2 shits about religion, and thats when we'll achiebe peace, kinda makes me wonder if religions where just made for us to argue over.I found it interesting that you made this comment. Your initial beef was that because your cultural background was German that by proxy and others ignorance you were viewed as a nazi.

I am a christian, and a stong follower of Native American wisdom and medicine. Simply put religion plays a large role in my life, in that it helps me to see the way in which I can live my life in peace with my self, and the world around me, and when that isn't possible it gives me the strenght to have faith for things beyond my controll, and ability. That being said, and seeing as the same is true for billions of poeple around the globe, it is wrong of you to place blame for our collective woes on Religion. Just as the Germans were manipulated by virtue of thier race to prop up the Nazi regime, Religion is often manipulated by a select few for what is almost always an entirely political agenda. So is relgion inherintly evil? Certainly no more than Germans. Evil simply manifiests in the institutions we have created (religion, government, etc) because it is a part of our nature. Evil can't, however, completely hijack those insitutions, it may rear it's ugly head from time to time but in the end the sum of these istitutions is greater than thier parts.

If your going to denounce Relgion you might as well go ahead and denounce all culture. It is true, religion places between peoples lines of distinction, as does language, dress, social customs morality, and many other factors which derive from culture. Culture is a solution to a particular set of problems, all culture essentially derives from the fact that the geography of this planet is so diverse, and so as a result are it's people. We are all equal but to think we are all the same is rediculous.

The problem is not that we are different, it is that we are ignorant of these differences, you yourself, though not intending to do so, proved this truth. Your reference to the hardline drug laws in Thailand for example, those laws are derivitive and reflective of that culture and it could be said it's not even for us to say whether they are just or not. What is more essential is we accept the fact that in some cultures, as a matter of circumstance, stability is placed in higher priority over personal liberties, or in other places people are so numerous and conditions so dire that life is said to be cheap. We can offer our assistance and perspective if it is asked for, and usually if one shows understanding and respect it is asked for, but we can't forcefully impose our cultural solutions on others, one size DOES NOT fit all.

You were quick to point out that your statement on palistinians was not racist, even when no one made the accusation. In reality it was, because you are a racist...but wait, hear me out, because we're all racists, me, you, everyone. Whether or not we chose to accept it we are all to a large degree, a product of our culture, we see the world through the lens of our culture. We iterperit other cultures through that lens, and more often then not the vision ends up distorted and overly simplified, much is lost in translation.

The solution isn't to cast away our cultural differences, but to embrace them, the good and bad, understand thier history, thier context, and thier impact on us. Rather than becoming blindly influenced by cultural factors we need to empower ourselves with them, take ownership of our history and identity. By embracing and understanding my culture and roots I have found it has given me the ability to see the roots of other cultures more clearly and objectively. I try not to pass judgement, or make comparisons but instead make an effort to understand why things are the way they. I'm constantly critical of myself, and aware of the fact that it is not just possible, but inevitable that I will from time to time go through a train of thaught which is, in it's nature, racist. Like they say, the truth will set you free, when we acknowledge our racist tendencies it makes it difficult for them to manifest. It's when you supress this reality that it becomes violently explosive.

We must not put to rest the discussion of difference or mis-understanding(say for example others misunderstanding of your german heritage), but keep the discussion healthy and moderated by unconditional respect. The Haulocost will never be a closed subject, as a collective we have still yet to actually learn the lessons this tragic history offers. Really we just copped out by demonising nazis, and Hitler instead of trying to understand the entierly human dynamic which made it possible for those events to come to pass and collectivly accept the blame. As a result thsoe events have come to pass again (Rewanda)and here and now in the 21st century we've barely even learned to tolerate one another, let alone understand each other.

[EwokUtopia]

What you have to understand is that given the right circumstances, we may all be good and we may all be evil. We may all suffer, and we may all cause suffering. There is no such thing as an evil race or culture of people, but there is also no such thing as an intransicly good one either. We are all human, be we Jew or German, White or Black, Israeli or Palestinian, Tutsi or Hutu. The German people can offer the world Bach, Beethoven, Goethe, and an entire slew of great enlightenment cultural achievements. They may also offer the world Hitler and Mengele. Verily, the Jews may be the people in the concentration camps, starving and oppressed, horrified and degrated, but they may also become the oppressor and cause an innocent people to be forced from their homes and starve in smaller and more desolate regions of their homeland.
We have to remember that no race has the right to kill, and no race deserves to be killed. This is because no race is comprised of solely good or evil people. Likewise, no race is comprised solely of sufferers or oppressors. There were good Germans who fought Hitler in his reich, and there were bad Jews who for whatever reason collaberated with Hitler. As long as one remembers that they could be in the situation of the poor, the oppressed, the suffering, one is not likely to become an oppressor. But it is also easy to forget such oppression, and as unfortunate as it is, the adherants of Zionism do not put themselves into the shoes of the Arabs they oppress, nor do they see the irony in the fact that Arabs in their country are forced to have a specially coloured liscence plate when the jews were forced to wear the patch 50 years ago.

History repeats itself because people with power dont care that it repeats itself. all they want is more power.

[Triumph Hurricane]

That rounds it up . not much can be added to the truth.

[evsride]

you know what - i have wondered exactly where hitler got his money from to build his war machine and concentration camps? does anyone know? does anyone know exactly which banks gave him this money? the results might teach us alot.You might be interested to know that one such family that supported the Hitler war machine was that of Prescott Bush...our president's grandfather. He owned a few different corporate interests that dealt with the Nazis up until maybe 1942 when the government passed legislation dubbed the Trading with the Enemy Act. Here is a link to more info: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
There is a very powerful elite holding a majority of the worlds wealth in the palms of their oily blood soaked hands who pit nations against nations, race against race, and religion against religion; solely in the pursuit of more money and power. It is a system of a down that could leave regular citizens of the world in complete war and destruction and the power elite hunkered down in their nice climate controlled bunkers.
I guess I dont qualify as an optimist.....but I swear that I really do live for the positive things in life and try not to dwell on the bad too often. There is simply a fight between good and evil...natural and unnatural that we all should try to recognize and figure out which side we want to be on....

[freedom for all]

the whole thing about racism against jews and stuff has been going on for a long time... its nothing new. if your german, then of corse you will still get shit and crappy jokes from it all. you cant really change the history of the world, so dont even bother about it. if you want to change history, you haev to change the future. just be friendly to everyone, and dont be seen as racist no matter what color your skin is, or where your from. if someone says a racist comment, just tell them it isnt funny, and shouldnt be joked about.

[Weissdorn]

As an American living in Germany, I get a lot of this hype all of the time in other forums. In fact, because I defend the view point that the modern Germans today have, for the majority, nothing to do with the events that took place in the middle of the last century; that it is time for them to "move on" and leave this disparging dark epic of history behind them. It seems to me that this drama will be continued to be kept afloat for the next five generations or longer, so that the great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of the criminals will continue to make financial ammends to the great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of the victims. This of course will never atone for the sins of the criminals, but it will help Israel pay her bills. At the moment, it should be reminded that 5 generations have past in Germany since the holocaust ocurred.


In other words, I think it's high time to stop kicking around the Germans and declaring the Germans alive today the bad guys of the world. The more people learn about this epic in history, the more it becomes evident that anti-Semitism was common form of mass insanity that engulfed a large part of Europe, and not just Germany. It seems though that no other country in Europe really wants to open their can of anti-Semitism worms; particularly, France, Austria, Spain and Italy.

One has to ask themselves, why are old stereo-types still being fed and nutured? In any given science fiction film, the "evil" regime whom which the "good guys" battle against have a striking resemblance to the Wehrmacht soldiers, don't they? It would seem that this image of the German Nazis is so ingrained on the wide-stream public in America, that it's no wonder that evey once in a while some teenager will ask in a German culture forum a question like, "Is Hitler still your president?"

As for your friend that apparently is prejudice against Germans, you can report to him that there are 300,000 Jews living in the Federal Republic of Germany today, and they are all citizens of this Republic. Then you can ask him the question, "Are they Jews or are they Germans?" Of course, they're both, but I bet your foolish friend wouldn't agree that one could be both. It's about as ridiculous as asking "Are they Christians or Americans?" or "Are they Republicans or Americans?"

[the anarchist]

The Germans lost the war, so the fact that they have been demonized should not be a surprise. Still, we must remember that Germans for the most part did not agree with the racial sentiments of Hitler and the Nazis, although they often did not oppose Nazi policies when they had the opportunity to do so. Certainly modern Germans (overall a noble people) should not be blamed for what happened 65 years ago.

White people are overwhelmingly opposed to Nazi ideology, no matter what country they are from. It was largely White people (specifically from the U.S., Britain, France, Russia, Scandinavia, and other countries) who defeated the Nazis. Nazi ideology goes against the individualism inherent in Western man. The idea that White Nationalism will succeed, despite millennia of wars between European states and regions, is like the idea that Marxism (also opposed to human nature) can also succeed. This is why it's laughable to see neo-Nazis talk about how "unnatural" other ideologies are. That they are so sorely out of place and for the most part have to hide behind anonymous accounts -- even in predominantly White countries -- speaks volumes about how impractical their ideas are.

Neo-Nazis cannot accept that Whites are naturally individualistic. So they blame the Jews for corrupting the minds of Whites, as if Whites cannot think for themselves. To be sure, Jews are a very influential minority group, but to blame Jews for brainwashing Whites is a way to deflect attention away from the fact that Nazis have never been able to win the hearts and minds of White people. In fact, neo-Nazis often change the subject or come up with tortuous excuses when the liberalism of European countries with small or virtually nonexistent Jewish minorities is brought up.

The Nazis came to power largely because of the economic problems and fears over a looming communist threat, not because most Germans believed in the racial ideas of Hitler (which were very crude).

Overall, as a non-German I consider Germans to be a very beautiful and civilized people. I don't believe Germans will ever again revert to Nazism, although it remains a possibility should Germany experience another economic depression (which would bring plenty of suffering for ordinary Germans).

[Noctifer]

The Nazis came to power largely because of the economic problems and fears over a looming communist threat, not because most Germans believed in the racial ideas of Hitler (which were very crude).


Well, didn't most Germans find it hard to believe they had lost WW1, as they hadn't been beaten on the battlefields, and there was no fighting in Germany, so believed the army had been "stabbed in the back" by pacifists, Jews etc?Therefore they heaped blame upon the Jews. Hitler promised to make Germany strong again, to get rid of the humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles and its War Guilt Clause. German textbooks of the time demonise the Jews as the "bad guys" of history, so children were brought up to believe that Jews were nasty people.
Im not suggesting at all that all Germans were 110% behind Hitler's racial policys, but the Nazi party and its policies were originally voted in, and the German people went along with it, cheering in the right places.

[mr.morrison]

thats what hitler told people.

[slangshot1]

i feel for him, do u no how much innocent people were freakin burned in a fernace for no damn reason, fuk nazis

[White Scorpion]

but nobody ever looks towards palastine where kids are brought up to shoot jews and hate them....Maybe if someone invaded your country and shoved all its population into an infested ghetto, you might learn what 'hate' means and teach it to your children, too.

[Megara]

Maybe if someone invaded your country and shoved all its population into an infested ghetto, you might learn what 'hate' means and teach it to your children, too.
don't justify that shit

[White Scorpion]

don't justify that shitIf a person is racist towards Muslims, then I suppose it doesn't.

[Nimrod's Apprentice]

Tomorrow is Hitlers Birthday4/20. Which thousands of stoners will celebrate as a weed holiday. lol I always get a kick out of that.



is like the idea that Marxism (also opposed to human nature)
Marxisn is for human nature. They beleive god doesn't exist, and all things are a result of violence in situations. Beleived in Darwinism as their major breakthrough. THey beleive human nature, is chaotic and animalistic, and violent, and that obedience is the only method of running a civilization.

Nothing can explain the conflict between the Jews and the German Nazis but their symbols. Both esoteric symbols from the same origin. They were a catalyst to launch Israel into the mideast like the British Empire had wanted, and a jumpstart for white people to unite against enemies.

Both sides were triggered by the same people. The Zion ideal for the jews, the ARyan myth for the Germans. The predator prey relationship. The Jews became the prey. Suffered greatly yet got an extremely detrimental position for world politics and the future of the Jewish religion.

[guy]

has anyone ever heard of "greater israel"? i was once told of it from the horses mouth as it were.

[sugrmag]

I'm German and my best friend is Jewish. For some reason, people feel the need to joke about how I have an uncontrollable desire to kill her...

Also, my Opa(grandfather) was 17 when he got drafted (for lack of a better term) into WW2. I saw a photo of him in his Nazi uniform-he looked so tiny-it was about 4 sizes to big. Anyway, somehow his family paid someone off so he wouldn't have to fight. They were very much against the Nazi party but couldn't be open about it-or else they neighbors would turn them in and they would have been killed. He never would talk about those times-except to say that he was ashamed to be German during that time.

Also, my grandmother's neighborhood got destroyed by allied bombings...So, yeah, my grandparents were born before ww2, but in no way were they guilty, responsible, etc. for anything that went on. Whoever said that needs to get their head out of their ass...

[pieholepanties]

i feel for him, do u no how much innocent people were freakin burned in a fernace for no damn reason, fuk nazis
they were burned for a reason.. well in the german's eyes. think about why they were burned before u say fuck nazi's

[Minimalist]

they were burned for a reason.. well in the german's eyes. think about why they were burned before u say fuck nazi's

the german's eyes?

[pieholepanties]

as in their view.. u know the expression 'their eyes' yeh .. well that

[zeppelin kid]

The whole anti-semetism in todays world is the fact that all of the major money makers in the world are Jewish. Period. So the people who don't have that much money pick Jews as scapegoats because the world is literally run be rich Jews. Its a fact that people need to get over and realize you don't need to be Jewish to make money.

[Ole_Goat]

The whole anti-semetism in todays world is the fact that all of the major money makers in the world are Jewish. Period. So the people who don't have that much money pick Jews as scapegoats because the world is literally run be rich Jews. Its a fact that people need to get over and realize you don't need to be Jewish to make money.
Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will be surprised to discover they are both Jewish. But then again, so what? So were the Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges, I still enjoy their films.

[fistermister]

you know what - i have wondered exactly where hitler got his money from to build his war machine and concentration camps? does anyone know? does anyone know exactly which banks gave him this money? the results might teach us alot.Hitler got all his money from killing the Jews. He killed them, took all their money and assets to fund his war machine. The german jews had alot of money and did own lots of businesses. The Jews wealth, combined with traditional anti-semitism made them the perfect target for Hitler (they had lots of money and they were hated enough to be gotten rid of).

If Hitler didn't persecute the Jews the second world war would not have lasted nearly as long.

[zeppelin kid]

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will be surprised to discover they are both Jewish. But then again, so what? So were the Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges, I still enjoy their films.I should have said the majority are Jewish or have some Jewish descent.

[Duncan]

... But anyways you know what im [sic] tryin [sic] to say right??
I have no idea what you're trying to say. It was total babble. In addition I'm offended at your lack of capitalization.

[polecat]

Why did people support Hitler.... I think it's ironic that if Hitler had died in 1939 he would have been remembered as one of the greatest German statesmen of all times. He brought Germany out of a depression, made it a world power, and gave German's pride in their county again. It's easy to say now that you never would have supported Hitler knowing what we know now, but the Germans in the 1930's had no idea.

[nirvana563]

actually, the palestinian situation is the Brits' fault.
They trucked in Arabs from the region in an attempt to pressure Jews out of coming to Israel (then the Palestine) post WWII.
I'm all for a two state solution, with the neighboring nations also contributing land and infrastructure.The palestinian thing is 3 groups fault, Nazi's, Jews, ands Brits'.
Brits' fucked up the government. Nazi's caused jews to want the holy land once again.