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honeyhannah
05-12-2004, 12:53 AM
Have you always been non-religious?

If not what religion where you?

When did you become non-religious?

And what brought you to your current belief system?

beachbum7
05-12-2004, 01:31 AM
Pretty much, I've always been non-religious. The weird thing is most of family is religious, but my father has never been religious. I've never been a church goer, and I've never felt any need for organized religion. So, being non-religious started when I was young, and it's continued.

Ginge
05-12-2004, 04:00 AM
I'm pretty much the same as BeachBoy. My parents were raised Christian, but neither of them ever went to church once they got older. Therefore, I wasn't really raised with organizied religion. But I do believe in some form of Power(s) That Be.

veinglory
05-12-2004, 04:14 PM
I have alway been atheist, and was raised not as an atheist but simply in the absence of religion. I think my mother does actually believe in God, I have no idea whether my father does.


The way I see it I wouldn't go believing in god (or anything) without a reason, and I see no reason to.

POPthree13
05-12-2004, 06:10 PM
I simply sense a great mystery in life - in existence. Most religions seems to act like they have the answers, as if they have unravelled the great mystery. The more convinced they are of their correctness the more convinced I am of their ignorance.

I do think there is more to life than coincidence and accidents, but the major religions of the world seem to be the furthest from really understanding the magic that is taking place on this rock. I mean if you can't even accept the beauty of life evolved, how can you begin to appreciate the complex and amazing thing that is unfolding here?

Mui
05-12-2004, 06:27 PM
Q. Have you always been non-religious?
A. No

Q. If not what religion where you?
A. If calling yourself something makes you it, than I guess I was a lutheran up till about 8 years of age
Other than that, I studied buddhism fer a while and got myself calling me that too.

Q. When did you become non-religious?
A. Well, I've never believed in a god sense I was like 8, but if religious can mean buddhist and still atheist, than I guess I turned non religious later at about 16

Q. And what brought you to your current belief system?
A. My parents were never overbearing on me about religion. They were brought up more strictly with christianity... and they would tell me horror stories about the christian schools they used to go to... but they were hippies their lives... they studied a lot of supernatural things... my mom does rei-ki... my dad does past life regressions and can sense/communicate slightly with spirits... they told me to find my own spiritual path, and so I did.. I really think being christian is caused by being fed it your whole life and not being allowed to disprove of it... they believe in god, but they believe that god is in everything around us... the whole connected life force/energy flow thang...

My brothers also had a lot to do with my upbringing, they were pretty much the people I looked up to in my life and they are smart guys... they've taught me a lot about politics, history, and things like that... they are atheist communists too... "its a family thang, so dont even trip"

I found buddhism because of my friends at the time of my life... were mostly asian... (lots of thai and laos kids in my town) Always been interested in eastern philosophy... so i decided to learn a lot about it.... went to the buddhist headquarters in ny lol... that was cool! meditated every day for a few years...
But I found that enlightenment was the same placebo as Heaven was in a christian sense... To explain this...
you meditate every day, because you will achieve enlightenment someday... this ultimate sense
and you pray and believe in god, to go to a heaven

both are placebos... like sugar pills... you take them and they make you think your going to get better, but really whats making you feel better is yourself... not this spirituality... its just that meditation makes you feel well, and helps you learn about yourself...

There is no higher state of mind, there is no lower state of mind... there are no classes, no values...

thats what I came to

and thats where I stand
No gods, no saviors, just me and my surroundings and what I experience throughout life...

It is the ultimate bliss

Antimatter235
05-12-2004, 07:25 PM
My whole family is christian and i remember going countless times to church baptise here, communion there. I never bought into it, i thought it was insane (at the time i didn't know what is religion).
People talking about this God character, Jesus guy, putting a white disk in their mouth, putting their hand in dirty "holy" water, my mother telling me to do the sign of the cross, etc... I was raised like a christian but i never bought into it.
My parents are not pushy with their beliefs though.

matthew
05-16-2004, 06:48 PM
Its all a bit dull for me..we have been on this planet for a very long time and all we can come up with is some bloke 'built' it and we look a bit like him. oh and we may come back if we are good. I realise this only aplies to some religeons ..and there are multiple variations on the theme ...but like i said its all a bit dull for me.

And all these peole that hug trees instead or as well as believe is some infalable entity...well...

FreakyJoeMan
05-17-2004, 03:52 AM
My parents raised us in a non-religious houshold, and for that I shall be ever greatful. Even from a very young age, I just thought the whole idea was silly. Also, my infatuation with dinosaurs probably helped, what with them being subconciously linked with evolution. I remember when I was in third grade, passionately arguing with another schoolkid that "YES! Humans DID evolve from monkeys!" and him saying we didn't, and also that God placed dinosaur bones on Earth to test the faith of "beleivers". Well, that just did it for me. "Dinosaurs were real, so God is unreal!" Off course, my grasp of evolution, philosophy and the world has certainly matured since i was a eight year old, but still, I'm an athiest. :)

WaitingForTheSun
05-18-2004, 06:39 AM
I used to just say I was Christian because I knew my parents were, but as a kid I always doubted all of it. It was strange, I was afraid to speak up because I didn't know I was aloud to think differently. Then when I was 11 I went through a few painful expieriences and lost all religion. By 8th grade, I was reading and studying about Atheism, The Big Band, evolution as well as the bible and Christianity. I decided to just be Atheist and believe in science instead. I suppose I'm rather Agnostic because I'm open to the view of a higher power out there, I just don't agree with any description of this entity in any of the present religions.

Razorofoccam
05-18-2004, 12:30 PM
Have you always been non-religious?

If not what religion where you?

When did you become non-religious?

And what brought you to your current belief system?Honeyhannah

1. Yes
2.As occam has never been religious
[that is , believed in a theory of god proposed by an organisation or single individual, that one takes for their own belief]
He might offer to you why he has never been religious..

It is because religion is words, about words and nothing more.
Human words.

Humans lie..

Occam trusts not the words of men to describe something they can offer NO existent support for.
Religion says god is this or that, and and supports its propositions with more human words. [from a book]
Religion is human acceptence of a story.
The story invariably comes from antiquity so none can question it without doubt.
For none alive today were there.
But. Sometimes it comes from more contemporary sources.. Like the mormons.
An individual, through charisma and the longing of the converts. Creates a new religion. [smith]

Not a single religion has ever shown one iota of existent evidence to support the descriptions of god and his domain of heaven and hell [and all the others]
The sole evidence is AGAIN. the words of humans.
And occam asks ANY to show one piece of verifiable evidence that their interpretation of a god that they describe it . exists.

Occam believes that a creator PROBABLY exists.
The evidence is not words in a book.
Or etherial feelings that such a god must be.
The evidence is the very organisation and complexity of the reality we live in.

If you understand, even peripherally, the MASSIVE complexity and organisation of reality..
You may. as occam has. call that evidence. [but not conclusive]

We are fools who think we understand that direction...Humans, generally, are adverse to the idea that they dont know whats going on.
THAT IS WHY THERE IS RELIGION.
Ego .
Religion exists because we are irrational enough to think we can understand
that which requires reason. Without using reason.

As monty python proposes. [a truely rational school of philosophy..hehe]

"I hope there's intelligent life out there. Cause theres bugger all here on earth"

Which is true...but only 1/2 [:)] true.
Because we made the statement of ignorance. We Thus take the first step towards understanding.

By such criteria...Socrates is the 'messiah' of man.
And who is to say he was not.

Occam

weaselpop
05-27-2004, 01:02 PM
I've never been religious. I wasn't taught any kind of belief or none belief (in fact i wasn't properly concious of the fact that i was until i was abou ten when we had a debate on it). I was always aware and understanding of religions from a young age, so i had the opportunity to associated myself with one of these groups.
My lack of my belief isn't a conscious decision, and I wouldn't call it active in any way - I don't associate myself with the statement 'I do not believe in God' (though I don't) because what i feel isn't so solid as that. It's just not believing. It's hard to explain - I'm sure this last paragraph is just waffling to you :(

Razorofoccam
05-27-2004, 01:39 PM
I've never been religious. I wasn't taught any kind of belief or none belief (in fact i wasn't properly concious of the fact that i was until i was abou ten when we had a debate on it). I was always aware and understanding of religions from a young age, so i had the opportunity to associated myself with one of these groups.
My lack of my belief isn't a conscious decision, and I wouldn't call it active in any way - I don't associate myself with the statement 'I do not believe in God' (though I don't) because what i feel isn't so solid as that. It's just not believing. It's hard to explain - I'm sure this last paragraph is just waffling to you :(
weaselpop
Much as occam was raised...
Without much predjudice or dogma.

You sound like an open mind.
Never loose that.
It is the way to wisdom
Or so it seems.

Occam

weaselpop
05-27-2004, 02:10 PM
You sound like an open mind.

Oh, shucks. *blushes* My ego's going through the roof right now. :)

Razorofoccam
05-28-2004, 03:37 PM
Oh, shucks. *blushes* My ego's going through the roof right now. :)
Weaselpop

Why

What has ego to do with an open mind?

Occam

weaselpop
05-28-2004, 06:00 PM
Weaselpop

Why

What has ego to do with an open mind?

Occam
Because someone telling me i have an open mind makes me feel big a clever and, i don't like saying this, superior to those without.

Razorofoccam
05-29-2004, 05:00 PM
Because someone telling me i have an open mind makes me feel big a clever and, i don't like saying this, superior to those without.
WeaselPop

Good stuff.
To hear honesty is a refreshing thing.


Occam

nephthys
05-29-2004, 05:55 PM
Occam, you are making sweeping generalizations. Many religions don't require words and in fact distrust words. This is why you will often see the use of similes and parables; the purpose of the words is to evoke a message. Many of these religions were spoken in a language designed specifically for that religion; the sounds themselves teach, even when they are without meaning. Do not think that scriptures are always written in languages; sometimes the languages are written in the scriptures. The expression and energy of the teacher also transmits messages as does nature. Experience is always fundamental, my dear. How can you even begin to understand it if you are not willing to experience it just because they have words as a subtitle?

Razorofoccam
05-29-2004, 07:58 PM
Occam, you are making sweeping generalizations. Many religions don't require words and in fact distrust words. This is why you will often see the use of similes and parables; the purpose of the words is to evoke a message. Many of these religions were spoken in a language designed specifically for that religion; the sounds themselves teach, even when they are without meaning. Do not think that scriptures are always written in languages; sometimes the languages are written in the scriptures. The expression and energy of the teacher also transmits messages as does nature. Experience is always fundamental, my dear. How can you even begin to understand it if you are not willing to experience it just because they have words as a subtitle?
Nephthys

Quite correct.
Yes it was a sweeping statement... religion is more than words.
To those that accept it.
It can be a way of life..

Experience is always fundamental.
In occams 44 years . he has no experienced one speck of anything that supported the idea that a god described by the majority of human organsised religions..exists.
[he speaks here, specifically of the monotheism, adherents, 2 billion plus.]

If you are speaking of a personal spiritual understanding...that is one thing.
Occam was speaking of the actual existent status of the god described by human organised religion.

He will not say that an individuals belief in a god is false.
He will say that it is a subjective fact..Not an objective one.
The confusion is that many think that because they believe something..
It is a FACT. [verifiably existent]
Now facts are accurate descriptions of reality
If what the religious believe was fact.
The earth would be jamm packed with gods, demigods, deities, minor deities, minions of hell, spirits, ancestors, ghosts,valkyries, angels and 'god is reality'
Occam is no biggot :)
Each sounds just as reasonable to him as any other..

?

Occam

squawkers7
06-14-2004, 03:23 PM
The one thing that we can really prove is that" we were born, we live, and then we die". Does it really matter where people came from or where we go after we are dead? Just concentrate on having a good life in the "right now". Don't act like "well it don't matter what I do now because some god will save me later and then I'll have a better life".

Glower Child
06-15-2004, 12:49 AM
When I was little I vaguely had the concept of there's some God and Heaven is in the clouds, because that's what I heard. My parents were made to go to church as kids, but they didn't believe in religion. They wanted me to come to my own conclusions. I thought of going to church once because that's what most people did, but then I realized that Sunday morning was when Ren and Stimpy was on, so I made my choice- the dumb cat and neurotic dog. YAY!

I'm assuming non-religious is meant here as a different thing from non-spiritual. I'm still trying to figure things out (half-assed of course, because I have many other things to worry about). But as far as dumping organized religion, I lost faith in it because I believed so hard in Santa Claus. It was like an encapsulated lesson in rationalization, which couldn't hold up forever. Nothing big or shocking happened to end it, like how a lot of other kids catch their parents putting out presents or something. I didn't ask for the answer, I wasn't told the answer, it just fizzled out on its own.

Razorofoccam
06-15-2004, 11:58 AM
When I was little I vaguely had the concept of there's some God and Heaven is in the clouds, because that's what I heard. My parents were made to go to church as kids, but they didn't believe in religion. They wanted me to come to my own conclusions. I thought of going to church once because that's what most people did, but then I realized that Sunday morning was when Ren and Stimpy was on, so I made my choice- the dumb cat and neurotic dog. YAY!

I'm assuming non-religious is meant here as a different thing from non-spiritual. I'm still trying to figure things out (half-assed of course, because I have many other things to worry about). But as far as dumping organized religion, I lost faith in it because I believed so hard in Santa Claus. It was like an encapsulated lesson in rationalization, which couldn't hold up forever. Nothing big or shocking happened to end it, like how a lot of other kids catch their parents putting out presents or something. I didn't ask for the answer, I wasn't told the answer, it just fizzled out on its own.
Glower child.

You exist.
This is a miracle of process.
That something so complex.
Exists.

Why do you exist?
Because a god described by human religion says you do.
Or that you exist, but do not yet know why. [agnosticism]

many call agnostics ...cop outs..failures and 'cant decides'.
But , by reason, the method that works. Agnostics are ALL WE CAN BE.

What fool says it is wrong..not to know.?
Not to know is the prerequisite to 'khow'

Every single human being starts with NO empirical knowledge.
We know NOTHING but instictive response.
How do we gain understanding?
By learning.
Religion is not about learning.
It is about accepting.


Occam

weaselpop
06-21-2004, 01:44 PM
many call agnostics ...cop outs..failures and 'cant decides'.
But , by reason, the method that works. Agnostics are ALL WE CAN BE.
I think agnostics are the best thing to be. I'm not, I generally fell that I'm somewhere between agnostisism and atheism, though closer to the latter, but people say that I can't be that. Mainly my agnostisism half is based on the fact that I know that I can never know, and I accept that I may be wrong. I just doubt it.

Razorofoccam
06-25-2004, 12:13 PM
I think agnostics are the best thing to be. I'm not, I generally fell that I'm somewhere between agnostisism and atheism, though closer to the latter, but people say that I can't be that. Mainly my agnostisism half is based on the fact that I know that I can never know, and I accept that I may be wrong. I just doubt it.
Weaselpop

If you are 'somewhere between agnosticism and athiesm'.

Then you are an agnostic.

If you do not know.
If the evidence that your method of thought sees. Cannot be called conclusive.
Then you are an agnostic.
Occam says that any who do not see conclusive 'proof'
Are agnostics.

An agnostic is by occams terms a rational person.
For no conclusive verification of the existence or non-existence of a god exists.

occam

PS
And as 'a god that exists' must have given us reason.
Then we would be fools to ignor it.
God would not give us tools like reason/logic. Tools that work.For no reason.
Nowhere in any religious text does it say that rational method is a false method.

It warps such by saying the devil will mislead you with cunning words.
Those cunnings words.
Are religions description of reason.

weaselpop
06-25-2004, 05:49 PM
I'm not an agnostic, cause i don't beleive in god, but i'm not completely atheist, cause I know i can't know, if you get my drift

Razorofoccam
06-26-2004, 11:31 AM
I'm not an agnostic, cause i don't beleive in god, but i'm not completely atheist, cause I know i can't know, if you get my drift
Weaselpop

Semantically correct.

a gnosticism .. is also

Those who have no belief in god.
But cannot prove a god does not exist.

But occam is the last person to suggest a fragmentation of agnosticism into sub sets.

Occam

LuciferSam
07-05-2004, 05:14 PM
I've been religionless since Day One, and I'm happy for it, since I didn't have to deal with having doctrine shoved down my throat. Both of my parents are atheist - my father is an extreme, staunch atheist who had an extremely Catholic upbringing; he believes the world will be better if religion goes by the wayside... so I'm kind of ingrained with a distrust of organized religion myself. I was an athiest throughout my childhood and up till sometime in high school. Then I shifted to agnostic-humanism, mainly to allow for the fact that you can't exactly prove the existence of God anymore than you can disprove it. So I figure it's something that we can't ever know, and isn't really worth worrying about. I pretty much just view religions at the most to be something that's interesting culturally and nothing more (and some have interesting philosophies here and there, esp. the Eastern ones, though I couldn't buy their package either), like how people regard Greek and Norse mythology today as just something cool to read about.

Kharakov
07-06-2004, 07:02 AM
I'm not an agnostic, cause i don't beleive in god, but i'm not completely atheist, cause I know i can't know, if you get my drift
I am a gnostic because I do know and I know I can know. Agnostics are just gnostics waiting to get the scoop.

Razorofoccam
07-06-2004, 02:04 PM
I am a gnostic because I do know and I know I can know. Agnostics are just gnostics waiting to get the scoop.
This is fine.

But you cannot 'show' to occam what you "do know".
You can only say it..

And yes. Agnostics are just gnostics waiting to get the scoop.
If there is a scoop.
When occam is scooped.
Then so be it .
untill then.

he is agnostic.
And no number of words without existent grounding, can cahnge that.

Just as you cannot know what RED is.
Untill you see it.....no?

Occam

squawkers7
07-06-2004, 02:45 PM
Seem to remember reading that when they tried to teach Helen Keller what red was they had her hold an apple & put her hand near fire & White was a hand full of cotton. Obviously none of us has seen GOD so we would all be as blind as her and nobody has been able to have me hold something in my hand and say ok, this is GOD....cuz it's impossible. Some people would tell me that he made all living things so if I held a flower, a cat, or one of my kids, or seen a sunset then that is all the proof I need. Well that just proves to me that a flower, a cat, my kids, & sunsets are real it doesn't prove that GOD put them there.

Kharakov
07-07-2004, 05:58 AM
Just as you cannot know what RED is.
Untill you see it.....no?

Occam
Your comment describes it very well. Hope your scoop is on its way.

Yoga16
07-07-2004, 10:34 PM
My parents raised me to believe what I wanted to believe. They never forced any thoughts of religion on me ever. I love them for that because now I am old enough to research different religions and have my own say on them. My parents are a lot like me in religion sense and I hope to raise my kids that way someday. I think religion should be your choice as an individual.

themnax
07-18-2004, 02:31 PM
oddly enough i don't consider myself "nonreligeous" at all
(i beleive there might very well be and probably are all kinds of things)
i just don't believe anything that imposes names and
deffinicians on the unknown knows its ass from a hole in the ground.

to quote the rubiyat: "when young i freequented doctor
and saint, yet ever more i left by the same door
at which i went in"

=^^=
.../\...

Razorofoccam
07-23-2004, 01:20 PM
Your comment describes it very well. Hope your scoop is on its way.Kharkov.

Hope?

What is that?

Occam

PS
A definition of 'hope' that sounds correct
"hope is the confusion between what is desired, and what is probable"

You hope occam will be 'scooped' . This is meaningless unless a 'scooping' is possible.
It may be.
And occam looks forward to being scooped by the god of religion.
based on its foundation in reality
Just as much as he looks forward to seeing elvis alive in the flesh.

Both show just as much likelyhood of happening.

If elvis showed up however, it would be no big thing.
If the monotheistic god did..With it;s hell and redemption.
Occam might blow his brains out. For reality would all of a sudden.
Have become unsane

themnax
08-02-2004, 01:44 PM
my concern and my fear is tyranny
we have tyranny because people refuse to connect the dots
not because of one idiology
or all idiolgies except one
not because of one economic theory
or all economic theories except one
not because of one belief
or all beliefs except one
but because people refuse to connect the dots
there my very well be all manor of nontangable forces and beings
and probably are
they have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it
niether does what anyone does or does not believe about them
we have tyranny because people refuse to connect the dots

=^^-
.../\...

green_thumb
08-05-2004, 02:36 PM
I've always been non-religious. My parents never attended church, so I was never forced to go like so many people. I may adopt a faith someday, but right now, I don't know of a religion that suits me.

gEo_tehaD_returns
08-15-2004, 06:05 AM
"and him saying we didn't, and also that God placed dinosaur bones on Earth to test the faith of "beleivers".


hahahahahahaha, thats possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

I was born to catholic, republican parents. I grew up believing all the shit they told me. When I got into seventh grade, my punk phase began. Though I was only into it because my friends were, it did make me challenge much of my thinking. I think I was 13 or 14, and it just hit me. Religion is complete bullshit. I never told my parents about this revelation, and even continued going to church. I know my brother had tried telling them he was atheist, and they just became more adamant about making him attend mass. Lately they have just stopped telling me to go, they know I won't go when they dont' tell me to, and I work most saturdays and sundays anyway.

Shane99X
08-31-2004, 07:03 PM
Have you always been non-religious?
Nope.

If not what religion where you?
Pentacostal/Charismatic/Evangical Christian

When did you become non-religious?
age of 17, I went to a church camp.
Looked around all my friends speaking in tounges and "feeling the spirit".
I realized that i didn't feel anything.
I don't mean just spiritually, but emotionally and intellectually as well.
Started to look into other religions to see if I could convince myself of any of them.


And what brought you to your current belief system?
Eventually the idea came to my head "hey, maybe i'm already all that i need to be, and any futher growing will come out of natural life not supernatural life."

I started reading about age of reason and finally (through steps) realized i was an athiest.

openmind
08-31-2004, 07:16 PM
studying the bible makes me dispise god and see him for what he realy was
studying the ancient scriptures
telling that the gods plural came from the stars the heavens above
and placed man on this planet to serve him
hense the different religions have different gods
but the good news is there all dead and we dont have to serve any of them now
but we sould serve mankind and act in away considerate of others and this planet

Showtime/Redneck-Bud
08-31-2004, 08:33 PM
Have you always been non-religious?

Pretty much...

If not what religion where you?

I was raised christian...

When did you become non-religious?

I don't remember, it was too long ago... i think i was 8...

And what brought you to your current belief system?

Well, after i officially dropped outta christianity, i became a Buddhist... through Buddhism i realised that I would never be happy unless i got rid of religion completely... so i became an atheist...

KozmicBlue
09-04-2004, 05:01 PM
Well... My parents are Lutherans and I was baptized when I was born, but it was just a tradition. Most people in Finland are Lutherans and most babies are baptized, but at least to my family... it doesn't really mean much, except the fact that in the baptism the baby is given his/her name.

Even though my parents are Lutherans, they're not at all religious. When I was little we never went to church or anything like that. I did go to the confirmation camp when I was 14, just like most kids, and back then... I even felt the need to believe. It just wasn't "my thing" I guess, coz I was never able to "find God", or however you want to put it. I've thought about these things so much... I've read all kinds of books... I've learned about other religions... And it's just not my thing. I'm fascinated by the oriental religions, especially Buddhism, but I really don't see them as religions, they're more like philosophies to me.
I don't deny the possibility of the existance of some kind of a god/goddess/gods/godly creatures/etc... I just don't have the need to be a part of any religion or believe in anything religious for that matter.

phybre
09-04-2004, 06:48 PM
Have you always been non-religious?

If not what religion where you?

When did you become non-religious?

And what brought you to your current belief system?
I was put in a Roman Catholic school from K-3, at which point my family could no longer afford the tuition, because the school kept raising it. The transition made me happy, because all I ever learned there was that people who believe in Jesus Christ don't respond constructively to reason. I got a lot of grief there, and more than one teacher threatened to beat me. Luckily this was in the late 80s, and it was already long illegal.

We were forced to go to the adjoining church every friday, where we were put through your standard sit, stand, sit, kneel, stand, sit, stand, kneel, sit, stand, sit (just kidding, kneel!) ordeal, and the audience participation call-and-response crap that inevitably ended with "thanks be to god". Even as a child in the 3rd grade it was completely obvious to me that most of what the priest was saying was totally meaningless to nearly everyone in the church, including himself. I only ever saw his interest manifest as the collection plates started going out right after he doused the first 4 rows with putrid smelling incense, and the organs were turned up so that nobody would leave their seats to avoid the plate, since a hymn could erupt at any moment.

There was a time, during those 4 years, that I actually believed what they were telling me. I suppose that lasted for about 1 year. By 3rd grade, I had shifted priorities from caring about the religion classwork to caring about the literature classwork. At this point I was sent to the 4th graders classroom for reading class, since I had surpassed my own class. In retrospect it was obvious that this would happen, since way back in 1st grade, on orientation day, when everyone else was asking questions about the fastest way to get to the church doors from the classroom, and where the cross was as you enter the room, my first question was "when are we going to learn how to read and write?"

Since I consistently failed the religion portion of the classwork I was consistently considered to have an "attitude problem" and my mom would yell at me for not doing the work, since that resulted in her having to come in for frequent principal-parent-teacher-conferences.

Skipping ahead, I remember those days with fondness, if only because I was a child. I don't regret having been forced to go there. The school is an empty building now, although the church half is still in use. I remained friends with several of the kids from that place, even after I left and they stayed. I met many of them in the local high school, after not seeing them for years and years. They seemed to have gotten through the other 5 years of that school without being permanently brainwashed, so in general I consider it fortunate that their curriculum was so half-assed. Otherwise we may have a geometrically larger number of soldiers for the Army of God today.

Skipping more ahead, I'm a Taoist now and have been for many years, although that's more of a life philosophy than a religion. Except for the nutcases who think that the secrets of immortality are in the Tao Te Ching. In the interim time, I have experimented with all sorts of strange beliefs, including Qaballah, Buddhism, Voodoo, and Sufism. Sufis are neat, but I don't live that kind of life. Voodoo is neat, too. They don't have any problem whatsoever with inventing new gods and throwing away old ones. Hell, I think pantheism is generally more sensible than monotheism. What better thing to worship than everything as a whole?

Liberation
09-05-2004, 06:54 AM
Have you always been non-religious?

If not what religion where you?

When did you become non-religious?

And what brought you to your current belief system?
We were christian
I dont know
Wisdom

atropine
09-29-2004, 05:08 AM
i was baptised anglican, when i was about 8 i was sent to a christian school.. im not sure on this but i think its catholic.. was forced to go through it for 4years and at times i did believe in something.. but in the end the way they went about things has left me to quite despise the idea of being religious.. i now seem to call myself atheist, but after reading a bit here im more related to agnostic i guess.. would say agnostic atheist but some people fight the idea of that being possible.. more reading to do..

Sera Michele
09-29-2004, 04:49 PM
I put in 12 years at a baptist school, so I definitely feel your pain :P