Iqbal Sacranie[sp?]:

[SelfControl]

Read this first if you haven't already:

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/01/010406ukMuslim.htm

Heard on the news that police are investigating this. Without wishing to advocate homophobia, I heard the interview when it was broadcast, and the guy was asked for his views on homosexuality, and to me, it seems like a needless red rag to those who use freedom of expression as a defense for homophobia to get the law involved.

What do you guys think?

[KewlDewd66]

No one would challenge your view that Sir Iqbal made outrageously homophobic statements in the broadcast. I guess, even he himself would not be having any probem agreeing with us here.

Yet, Sir Iqbal sees himself as a community leader whose legitimacy is based upon the religious principles that hold his community together. In other words, once he signed his name on the dotted line and became a Muslim community leader, he also practically gave up his right to freely think and freely express his thoughts. Indeed, his 'freedom' to do so is severely limited by the laws, principles and traditions of the religion and the community, he chose to represent and stand for.

The aforementioned would apply with hardly any limitation to most religions and ideologies. All those are based upon the singular claim that the one at hand is the only true one, which in turn automatically excludes all the others as being based upon the false premises and in the last instance not acceptable as such.

The fact that we live in moderately tolerant societies has much to do with the secular nature of our governments and virtually hundreds of wars fought mostly in Europe in order to establish whose 'claim to truth' was greater and mighter among many that have been entering this contest since the times immemorial.

Another aspect of the problem is presented by the 'Outrage'.

"OutRage! recognizes the shared humanity of all people everywhere. We endorse the Muslim Council of Britain's concern about the abuse of Muslims in Palestine, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq and in Britain. But our solidarity with Muslims has been repaid with only hostility and prejudice from the MCB."

Very rightly so, they recognized 'the shared humanity of all people everywhere'. Naively so, they were hopeful that their solidarity with Muslims would be repaid in anything else but in 'hostility and prejudice'.

The obvious truth is that neither Muslims nor most of the religious Catholics, Orthodox, etc. could not help it, no matter how much they wanted to do so. They are stirictly confined to the boundaries of their ideologies as they see their own personal identities existant only within the limits of such ideologies.

If you define yourself first and foremost as a Muslim, Christian, Archconservative, etc., you will either have to change your own aforementioned identity or embrace the homophobic and discriminatory views such ideologies and theologies abound with.

KD

[jonny2mad]

I think its perfectly fair to ask hard questions the problem is that generally these questions are never asked of islamic leaders , there is a bias in the media against asking these questions .


Iqbal Sacranie has been knighted what for I have no idea, he was a driving force during the rushdie affair he said at the time

death perhaps is too easy for him...his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life

In 1996 Iqbal Sacranie who was then a spokesman for the U.K. Committee on Islamic Affairs pushed for the entry of Bin Laden and other terrorists into the UK on the grounds that "they were Muslim scholars"

In 1996 Sacranie was head of the U.K. Action Committee on Islamic Affairs, the precursor of the MCB, (much like the IAP spawned CAIR), and advocated for the right of Al Muhajiroun to hold a 'Rally for Revival

he says There is no such thing as an Islamic terrorist. This is deeply offensive."

he wants a law which would make calling someone a muslim terrorist even if he is illegal

he has defended Hizb ut-Tahrir a jihadi group when there were calls to ban them after the london bombings , they are already banned in lots of countrys

mcb the group he represents have particularly strong links to Jamaat-e-Islami a extreamist pakistani group founded by Syed Abul Ala Maududi.

who said that non-Muslims have "absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines." If they do, "the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life."

Sacranie is a trustee (together with several members of the MCB) of Yusuf Islam's Al Qaeda funding 'charity' front called Muslim Aid, which was on a list of 10 organisations which Spanish police accused of funding Al Qaeda Mujahideen fighters in Bosnia.

I could go on

apart from Sacranie another person I would like to see asked hard questions about his homophobia is the dali lama who has come out with some amazing stuff .

ps al Muhajiroun are mohammed Bakri's bunch

[SelfControl]

No one would challenge your view that Sir Iqbal made outrageously homophobic statements in the broadcast. I guess, even he himself would not be having any probem agreeing with us here.

Just to clarify: while I'd agree that they were homophobic, that wasn't particularly my view. It's a common view, and I can't really argue with it, but in a perverse way I feel that he has been unfairly attacked for expressing his personal views when asked for them.

[jonny2mad]

why is it unfair and it isnt just a personal view islam is a political system hes head of the biggest islamic organisation in the country.

Ive talked to lots of british muslims who plan on killing homosexuals in the future, do we know what sir Sacranie plan is to deal with as he calls immoral and that promotes the spread of disease.

He says homosexuality " is something we would certainly not, in any form, encourage the community to be involved in"

so what does he plan to do when muslims gain enough power in the uk .


look at what cat stevens says about rushdie, he says he should be put to death in the uk, but at present he has to abide by kufr law, but his and Sacranie whole life is based on trying to spread islamic power in the uk, to bring islamic law that would kill rushdie to the uk .

read the writing on the wall .......the person interviewing him should have asked him whether he wanted islamic religous law in the uk in the future and whether that would mean lets say the death penalty for homosexuals .


would you feel it was unfair if the person being questioned was a nazi that hated jews .

isnt it better for his hatred of homosexuals to come out in the open so that people can ask why this man was knighted, and what trouble we have with the muslim community in britain if hes the best we can find as a "moderate" .