am i safe

[Fractual_]

URL deleted i want to order some 2ce, and it doesnt say i have to be 18, so am i safe doing a money order with this site under my name? if not where can i go to be safe??
help meeeeeeeee!

[twoseeeyes]

Please don't list sources. Especially a quality like at that.

[Fractual_]

Ermm... it is a LEGAL site.... now could someone please answer my question

[Jetblack]

u dont understand alex, listing sites is against the rulz regardless, it is for their own protection and ours

[twoseeeyes]

Ermm... it is a LEGAL site.... now could someone please answer my question
It's a legal loophole, the shit itself is not legal.

Perhaps you should've read the fine print. 21 and over.

[Fractual_]

ok something tells me ellis doesnt care because i just asked for sites like this, LEGAL fuckin sites on the main psychadelics board, doesnt make sense. i could understand not listing pot connections, but i am just doing research man.

anywho, someone just answer me and i will delete it all!lol

[twoseeeyes]

The more it's exposed the more chances it can get busted. The net is like real life, people who are busted with RCs get into major trouble. Obviously your 15 year old naive little ass doesn't get that.

And I already answered your question, read the fine print, 21 and OVER. I didn't even know (name deleted) accepted money orders, it was done by PayPal before a direct CC payment.

You aren't even fucking mature enough to take RCs if you spout out sources like it's fucking diaherra. Should've PMed a knowledgeable RC user this question. Damn.

[Jetblack]

sigh...i told alex ur gunna get chewed out if u post sources...

[EllisDTripp]

ok something tells me ellis doesnt care because i just asked for sites like this, LEGAL fuckin sites on the main psychadelics board, doesnt make sense.

Yes, I fucking well DO care, that's why I just edited your post. :(

Naming suppliers of such materials (technically legal or not) publically is BAD, for several reasons:

It draws unwanted attention to these substances, hastening their eventiual scheduling by the DEA.

It is free advertising for the sellers, many of whom are simply fast-buck artists who are looking to cash in during the short period of time between a chemical becoming known and becoming illegal.

Many of these chemical sellers are flat-out ripoffs. Allowing people to plug them here gives the impression that the owners and operators of this site endorse them.

[Fractual_]

Yes, I fucking well DO care, that's why I just edited your post. :(

Naming suppliers of such materials (technically legal or not) publically is BAD, for several reasons:

It draws unwanted attention to these substances, hastening their eventiual scheduling by the DEA.

It is free advertising for the sellers, many of whom are simply fast-buck artists who are looking to cash in during the short period of time between a chemical becoming known and becoming illegal.

Many of these chemical sellers are flat-out ripoffs. Allowing people to plug them here gives the impression that the owners and operators of this site endorse them.what do you mean they are flat-out ripoffs? seemed to me like they were cheap, and i could make some bills off of them

[EllisDTripp]

what do you mean they are flat-out ripoffs?

Many of these places take your money, and never send you ANYTHING. Others take MONTHS to send orders, or send wrong materials or incorrect quantities, etc.

seemed to me like they were cheap, and i could make some bills off of them

Oh, great, so you were intending to RESELL the chemicals you bought, compounding the problems leading to scheduling? Helping screw over RESPONSIBLE researchers, all to make a fast buck for yourself?

And we should help you...why?

:rolleyes:

[Fractual_]

Many of these places take your money, and never send you ANYTHING. Others take MONTHS to send orders, or send wrong materials or incorrect quantities, etc.



Oh, great, so you were intending to RESELL the chemicals you bought, compounding the problems leading to scheduling? Helping screw over RESPONSIBLE researchers, all to make a fast buck for yourself?

And we should help you...why?

:rolleyes:well i was also planning on taking some... and i wasn't planning on getting caught, or contributing to a chemical getting schedule, i don't deal with idiots, especially if i am going to sell a psychadlelic. so that , is why you should help me.

[twoseeeyes]

what do you mean they are flat-out ripoffs? seemed to me like they were cheap, and i could make some bills off of them
That is precisely why you aren't mature to even possess RCs let alone mature enough to take them. Once you are ready to take them for a valid reason, then ask.


THANK YOU ELLIS.

[twoseeeyes]

well i was also planning on taking some... and i wasn't planning on getting caught, or contributing to a chemical getting schedule, i don't deal with idiots, especially if i am going to sell a psychadlelic. so that , is why you should help me.Noone plans on getting caught for selling weed, meth or any other drug :rolleyes:

[Fractual_]

That is precisely why you aren't mature to even possess RCs let alone mature enough to take them. Once you are ready to take them for a valid reason, then ask.


THANK YOU ELLIS.
eh

well its too late for that now, i've got a number of psycahdelics under my belt already.


i asked for help, not shit. if someone would pm me a site that isn't a 'flatout ripoff' , it would be greatly appreciated.

[Dallas-321]

No offense little bro but your 15. Your body is going through profound hormonal changes that are a challenge to deal with. Introducing highly potent chemicals of which little is known about isnt wise.

[Fractual_]

well i imgaine its about as safe as acid, which is pretty safe.

[EllisDTripp]

well i imgaine its about as safe as acid, which is pretty safe.


Well then, you need to do some reading, dude. People can and have DIED fucking around with "Research Chemicals". Unlike LSD, next to NOTHING is known about the safety, pharmacology, or long-term effects of these substances. People just looking for a quick buzz would do well to steer clear of these. How about reading the Research Chemical FAQ at:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml

[Fractual_]

Well then, you need to do some reading, dude. People can and have DIED fucking around with "Research Chemicals". Unlike LSD, next to NOTHING is known about the safety, pharmacology, or long-term effects of these substances. People just looking for a quick buzz would do well to steer clear of these. How about reading the Research Chemical FAQ at:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml
i already knew about all that research chemical jazz...

but i'm sayin, anything that is that similar to acid or mushrooms etc. etc. can't be all that bad.

[twoseeeyes]

You are one flat-out ignorant kid.

If you think it's similar to LSD and shrooms, you obviously never experimented with many psychedelics. Hell if you even think shrooms and LSD are similar you are an idiot. Instead of acting like you know everything, READ.

[Fractual_]

You are one flat-out ignorant kid.

If you think it's similar to LSD and shrooms, you obviously never experimented with many psychedelics. Hell if you even think shrooms and LSD are similar you are an idiot. Instead of acting like you know everything, READ.
they definatley have their relations man... all i am sayin it it is probably as safe as them, as most psychadelics are, i asked for help man, not your bullshit

[twoseeeyes]

You ask for shit, you get shit.......got it? I'll be damned if some dumb shit kid like yourself shuts down a reliable source.

[EllisDTripp]

i already knew about all that research chemical jazz...

If you actually knew anything about these compounds, you wouldn't make ignorant statements like:

but i'm sayin, anything that is that similar to acid or mushrooms etc. etc. can't be all that bad.

And exactly how are the members of the 2C- family in ANY WAY similar to acid or mushrooms? The fact that they make you trip? :rolleyes:

The 2C- group are phenethylamines. The active ingredient in mushrooms is a tryptamine. LSD is an ergoline. 3 different chemical families here.

Chemically, the 2C- compounds would be most similar to MDMA or other amphetamines. Since you claim to know ALL about these drugs, I'm sure you know that lethal overdosages of amphetamine-class compounds are FAR more likely to occur than deaths due to LSD or psilocybin.

Again, people have DIED from overdoses of compounds in the 2C- family. Until you learn a bit of respect and caution for what you are doing, stick with smoking pot. At least you aren't likely to hurt yourself with that....

[sag aloo]

1st off it is not exactly legal to buy this stuff - many may b covered by the analog act - it is certainly illegal now you have admitted you r gonna sell it for human comsumption. & yeah some companies are rip offs & just within the last 2 weeks a company has been raided & shut down. It is said other companies have given over customer lists to the DEA wen pushed 2

your a stupid kid - if u wanna make $ bend over & let old men take ur ass

[Dallas-321]

LOL ... Damn man ... LOL

[Peace]

well i imgaine its about as safe as acid, which is pretty safe.
Chemicals aren't as safe as acid. You take 25 mg's of foxy to trip and people have Oded on 30 mg's where as it's a lot harder to do that on acid.

[HardCa$H]

FRACTUAL..If you PM me I can sell some to you. I'm not a scammer, and if I should scam you go ahead and get a moderator to expose my IP address for everyone to hack me

You need a chem license to buy from that site I told you about. I'm lucky my friend is a chem major and can hook me up so I can..eh..do some research by myself ;)

So PM me if you are still interested. Or goodluck finding it otherwise.

I'vre heard these sites are scammers: (URL deleted) and another one I can't think of at the moment.

Later

[wandrnshaman]

Deleted? Those weren't sources, they were scammers!

I'm glad I didn't know guys like you all when I was 15. I would've died from sniffing gas. Some people are going to want to get high no matter what you say and we can either be positive or negative about it.
;)

Oh! and r chems, unlike lsd, are legal.

and
they're considered psychedelics.
just
like
lsd.

[EllisDTripp]

Deleted? Those weren't sources, they were scammers!

I don't know if they were or not. Either way, they don't get free advertising here.

I'm glad I didn't know guys like you all when I was 15. I would've died from sniffing gas.

Not if you posted about it here. The crowd around here is pretty down on inhalants....:)

Some people are going to want to get high no matter what you say and we can either be positive or negative about it.

Or, you can be NEITHER "positive" OR "negative" about it, and present unbiased FACTS, and leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind about it. Presenting information about the very real dangers of some recreational drugs isn't being "negative". It's being RESPONSIBLE.

Oh! and r chems, unlike lsd, are legal.

Until you buy, sell, or ingest them to get high. At that point, they become "controlled substance analogues", and they are as illegal as LSD.

[wandrnshaman]

I don't know if they were or not. Either way, they don't get free advertising here.
How is it advertising if we're warning people to stay away from that company?


Not if you posted about it here. The crowd around here is pretty down on inhalants....:)
But a 15 year old doesn't need visit here to ask where gasoline is, now does he?
and from what I've seen here, you guys are pretty much 'down' on about everything.




Or, you can be NEITHER "positive" OR "negative" about it, and present unbiased FACTS, and leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind about it. Presenting information about the very real dangers of some recreational drugs isn't being "negative". It's being RESPONSIBLE.
Were you being responsible by allowing the previous poster tell that kid 'your a stupid kid if you want to make $ bend over and let old men take your ass'
not really. :)




Until you buy, sell, or ingest them to get high. At that point, they become "controlled substance analogues", and they are as illegal as LSD.So you're saying all research chemicals are illegal to buy now? Maybe you just don't know where they are. I only know of 2 that are illegal. Mine come in from another state right to this one, no problem.

[EllisDTripp]

How is it advertising if we're warning people to stay away from that company?

And we would be trashing someone's business based on WHAT? The word of one anonymous poster? Can you say "potential libel suit"? :)

Much safer and easier to simply not allow ANY posting of URLs for these suppliers, good or bad. There are sites on the web dedicated to just this sort of info, so go elsewhere if you feel the need to be the "Consumer Reports" of the research chem scene. Or do it via PMs. Just DON'T DO IT PUBLICALLY IN THESE FORUMS.

But a 15 year old doesn't need visit here to ask where gasoline is, now does he?

And he/she doesn't NEED to visit here to find research chem suppliers, either. They are all over the web, afterall. But kids DO come here all the time asking about huffing aerosols and shit, and they generally get discouraged from doing so.

and from what I've seen here, you guys are pretty much 'down' on about everything.

The older folks around here tend to be a bit more cautious and circumspect about the advice they give, if that's what you mean. It's called "the voice of experience". It provides a good counterbalance to the reckless types who encourage kids to fuck around with drugs they don't fully understand or respect.

Were you being responsible by allowing the previous poster tell that kid 'your a stupid kid if you want to make $ bend over and let old men take your ass'
not really.

First off, I don't control the opinions of other posters here. Secondly, I think it was an effective (if crude) warning about what could happen if the original poster gets caught SELLING these chemicals as drugs, while trying to make a fast buck.

So you're saying all research chemicals are illegal to buy now?

Where did I say that, smartass? They are illegal to buy, sell, or posess WITH INTENT TO USE THEM AS DRUGS. Hence, the "research purposes only/not for human consumption" disclaimers on the sites that sell them. As soon as somebody represents one of these chemicals as being a replacement for/similar to an illegal drug, the previously legal chemical becomes ILLEGAL. Fucked up, Orwellian, and a generally asinine piece of legislation, but it is the FUCKING LAW here in the USA. Do some reading for yourself:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/analog/analog.shtml

Maybe you just don't know where they are.

I know exactly where to get just about any chemical I want, or the precursors to make it. And a quick Google search (and some common sense) will find them for anyone else, too.

I only know of 2 that are illegal.

Lets see...AET, 2C-B, 2-C-T7, DOET, PMA, AMT, 5-MeO-DIPT, etc... Should I go on?

At one time, you could buy pure mescaline and MDMA from chemical suppliers. Then the fast-buck assholes moved in and ruined it for everybody. Same thing with GHB, ketamine, and soon, Salvia.

Mine come in from another state right to this one, no problem.

Again, as long as you are buying them for "research use", no problem (for now). But if you are buying them for use as DRUGS, you are BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW, and using the US mail to do it across state lines. NOT a smart thing to admit in a public forum....:)

[wandrnshaman]

Ok, I think undestand now. Thanks for sharing! :)

[twoseeeyes]

h) Temporary scheduling to avoid imminent hazards to public safety

(1) If the Attorney General finds that the scheduling of a substance in schedule I on a temporary basis is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety, he may, by order and without regard to the requirements of subsection (b) of this section relating to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, schedule such substance in schedule I if the substance is not listed in any other schedule in section 812 (http://www.dea.gov/pubs/csa/812.htm) of this title or if no exemption or approval is in effect for the substance under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355). Such an order may not be issued before the expiration of thirty days from -

(A) the date of the publication by the Attorney General of a notice in the Federal Register of the intention to issue such order and the grounds upon which such order is to be issued, and

(B) the date the Attorney General has transmitted the notice required by paragraph (4).

(2) The scheduling of a substance under this subsection shall expire at the end of one year from the date of the issuance of the order scheduling such substance, except that the Attorney General may, during the pendency of proceedings under subsection (a)(1) of this section with respect to the substance, extend the temporary scheduling for up to six months.

(3) When issuing an order under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall be required to consider, with respect to the finding of an imminent hazard to the public safety, only those factors set forth in paragraphs (4), (5), and (6) of subsection (c) of this section, including actual abuse, diversion from legitimate channels, and clandestine importation, manufacture, or distribution.

(4) The Attorney General shall transmit notice of an order proposed to be issued under paragraph (1) to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. In issuing an order under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall take into consideration any comments submitted by the Secretary in response to a notice transmitted pursuant to this paragraph.

(5) An order issued under paragraph (1) with respect to a substance shall be vacated upon the conclusion of a subsequent rulemaking proceeding initiated under subsection (a) of this section with respect to such substance.

(6) An order issued under paragraph (1) is not subject to judicial review.

[EllisDTripp]

And you called me a smartass? Stand by for a pm you fucking prick.


What? Not enough balls to post your flames publicly?

Enjoy your vacation....:(

[Fractual_]

booooo

he was a pretty cool dude, ellis.... can't we all just get along

[EllisDTripp]

He's got 30 days to cool off. If I really wanted to be an asshole, I would have dumped him permanently, but he didn't deserve that.

[Fractual_]

LOL! 30 days??? what is that, like cyber space prison?

[penguam]

Hi,
Im a researcher for Penguam Industries, however we are currently having a bit of a problem. We are in the midst of testing the physiological effects of 5-Methoxy-N,N-methylisopropyltryptamine on small mammals, but our primary chemical supplier has been shut down by the DEA (according to the front page anyway). If any of you could contact me (i have an email, icq, and both aol and yahoo's messaging systems) with information on where i could obtain this substance I'd be very appreciative.