Why hash and not hash oil?

[Twizz]

I was wondering today why most people don't make hash oil instead of hash.

theres an average of about 2-8% (with as high as 20%) THC in hash, and hash oil is like 15-25% with as high as 50% or more THC.

I'm guessing it's that smoking hash oil is harder to do than smoke hash, since oil is kind of runny.

[_toker_]

hash has higher yields.... I guess that has something to do with it

[Grapefruity]

I make oil that's hard like candy, easy to break up and put back into a ball full of creamy colors.

Oil has higher yields. Bubblebags have never given me more than like 8% of the weight of trim in yield, when oil usually gives me 15% or more, if the shake is frosty.

And properly made, it blasts you into space. I don;t know why not much people smoke it. The taste is the only thing missing in oil, and the sweet smell.

[Twizz]

I think that adding some flavour drops would probably help the situation out

[nesta]

hash oil is NOT runny. its very, very viscous usually, even high quality stuff.

i've made and consumed oil with terrific results. however it didn't keep well for me and lost potency very rapidly. i suppose keeping it under cool, airtight conditions would help with that.

but the yield is low, its hard to work with, even easier to get ripped off on, and it isn't as "sturdy" as pot or hashish. also, it is still a liquid even if it's very thick, and its definitely very sticky. its not good for commercial purposes because a lot of it could potentially be lost to various things it touches and sticks to, little by little.

[Twizz]

Well even the people who buy weed and make their own hash from it, still only make hash most of the time. If I was in the situation where I could make a bunch of weed into hashish, oil would be my first idea.

Not to mention it's WAY easier to make.

[Grapefruity]

hash oil is NOT runny. its very, very viscous usually, even high quality stuff.
Very very high quality oil is sticky and all. It is yellow and transparent. But if you lower a bit the potency, it starts to have the texture of glass, plastic or hard candy. Very interesting tones of color and overwhelmning potency.Not sticky. Then if you still lower, comes the black and viscous oil you get sometimes on the street. This is too much plant nasties in it.

[2cesarewild]

Well you can make bomb hash using just water, so I wouldn't want to introduce chems into the extraction. This is my main reason for not being concerned with oil.

[Viruk]

I'm trying to make hash oil with weed and isopropyl alcohol. I powdered the weed and am currently soaking it in the alcohol, after 20 mins the alcohol was already really green, so I think its working. Im only using a gram of weed though, just as a test, I think I may try to thicken it with some cocoa powder... mmm chocolate hash

[Twizz]

DONT THICKEN IT WITH ANYTHING!

I smoked a joint with some chocolate sprinkled in it once and it just totally killed my throat and smelled and tasted like shit. It doesn't melt, it just burns.

[Grapefruity]

I'm trying to make hash oil with weed and isopropyl alcohol. I powdered the weed and am currently soaking it in the alcohol, after 20 mins the alcohol was already really green, so I think its working. Im only using a gram of weed though, just as a test, I think I may try to thicken it with some cocoa powder... mmm chocolate hashmy dear .....try this.....

Put your material in a mason jar, and add alcohol, then shake like a madman , for not more than 2 minutes! If you are using shitty stuff, 45 seconds will do the trick. Then you filter the liquid through a cofee filter or a bubblebag or whatever fine screen, so it drops on a plate. Then let evaporate in air, or use your mind to find a heat source which will facilitate evap! Be careful, iso alcohol is very volatile! Then when theres no more liquid, take the plate and scrape the thin film and put into a ball. You will be very interested by the results, i swear! People will call it hash though, it looks more like it, and its much easier to handle :p

I guarantee you a very good oil product, which can be golden and hard like candy. It's the stuff.

The thing is that shaking speeds the extraction and if you do it more than 2 minutes, vast part of the thc (what you want) has gone in the alcohol, and more shaking just gets nasty stuff you don't want, sugars, chlorophyle etc, that will make the oil black, sticky an yeah, oily :p. Bad bad, I tell yo!

At overgrow its one of the big oil techs along bho :p

*if you use cofee filter to separate alcohol from plant, try to get the less pot as possible in the filter with the alcohol!*

[MasterAdam]

so lets say you use 50 grams of pot. How much yield will you get out of this.

How potent is this. Is this called Hash? Sorry im new

Also can you use the leaves as well in order to get any remaining THC crystals off?

[Grapefruity]

This is very potent, more potent than any hash you can find on the streets, ....You know, your friends around that smoke weed a bit and hash, if they tell you theyve smoked better stuff, they are probably lying :p

It's not called hash though it looks like it...And you can use the leaves of course. Though you have to understand what you want is not the crystals, its the oil inside of them.

If you have lots of bud you can use...well 50 grams should give you about 10 grams. alot better than the yield with bubblehash.

If you use only trim, you can still get a very good product...for very frosty trim, 2 minutes is aright. For average frostiness , 1m30 of shaking, and for stuff that don't have lots of visible crystals, 1minute shake does the trick. See this pic shows good product. From overgrow.

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/ISOclose2.jpg

[Viruk]

Ya in the end I just scraped it up and put it on weed, it was pretty stiff stuff, and like a golden brown color.

[WeeDMaN]

I read somewhere how to make budder out of ISO hash oil, you know the stuff from vancouver supposadly tested %99.7 THC. It looks kinda like penut butter and from what I hear it simply is ISO hash oil with every last bit of ISO boiled out of it.

after smoking oil for a day I ussually feel like a retard.

[TokeTrip]

hash lasts longer for me, and tastes/smells way better. I like oil, but i prefer hash

[TokeTrip]

I read somewhere how to make budder out of ISO hash oil, you know the stuff from vancouver supposadly tested %99.7 THC. It looks kinda like penut butter and from what I hear it simply is ISO hash oil with every last bit of ISO boiled out of it.

after smoking oil for a day I ussually feel like a retard.
The problem with it being 99.7% is that there are other chems that are isopropanol soluble, with a percentage being much larger than 99.7%.

[Grapefruity]

There's nothing you can get that's 99.7%. You would have to purify a less potent product and you would lose so much with a complicated chemical process..

I always budder my iso oil or else it tastes liek shit! But budder isnt more potent, its just a more smoker friendly texture and better taste. I think theorically, it will be less potent, cuz buddering makes microscopic air bubbles in your shit.

[WeeDMaN]

I see, ya I jus read somewhere that it has been tested in its %90 somewhere. But from what I hear BHO has a better effect than budder does anyways. I hear budder is too much of a heady high and no body high .

[yazzer]

It just tastes shitty is all. Normal hash is alot more pleasant to smoke.

[yazzer]

I've come across alot of hash but have never seen anything like this before. Is this even hash man!?



This is very potent, more potent than any hash you can find on the streets, ....You know, your friends around that smoke weed a bit and hash, if they tell you theyve smoked better stuff, they are probably lying :p

It's not called hash though it looks like it...And you can use the leaves of course. Though you have to understand what you want is not the crystals, its the oil inside of them.

If you have lots of bud you can use...well 50 grams should give you about 10 grams. alot better than the yield with bubblehash.

If you use only trim, you can still get a very good product...for very frosty trim, 2 minutes is aright. For average frostiness , 1m30 of shaking, and for stuff that don't have lots of visible crystals, 1minute shake does the trick. See this pic shows good product. From overgrow.

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/ISOclose2.jpg

[Grapefruity]

This is oil, not hash.

Come in my basement we'll have some fun with some :p

[WeeDMaN]

This is oil, not hash.

Come in my basement we'll have some fun with some :p

Your basements dark and scary...... and it smells like you locked someone down there a decade or 2 ago lol.

[WhisperingWoods]

What kind of alcohol do you use making the stuff?

[maxxon]

What kind of alcohol do you use making the stuff?I would assume 99% isopropyl. someone correct me if im wrong

and grapefruity. how are you supposed to smoke the end result? do you just put it into a bowl and smoke it on its own? are you supposed to put it ontop of weed?

[Grapefruity]

The bigger the percentage of alcohol, the more yield, but the quality goes down. You will get the best quality with 50% iso, though it is long to evaporate.

I use 70%, sometimes adding a bit of water to be able to make 4 batches with one 500ml bottle. Its kinda good yield, 15 grams of trim or so (i estimate by eye), 1/4 of a bottle plus a little water and you get about a gram of hashoil. It is the best yielding method yet, maybe with dry sift.

Ok and i have to mantion that you only neesd enough liquid to cover the plant material completely, going a few centimeters higher than the height of your stuff is just wasting alcohol.

Maxxon, I always bong it. But you can easily mold them into little snakes that you can roll in joints, very convenient. You can have fun making sculptures and stuff too :p

You just need a little practice. After a few try or even the first one, you will get oil that doesnt stick everywhere and blows your mind up ;p , thats the goal. When you scrape youll see parts can be pink, orange, red, gold hmm...Just dry it well...after the double boiling evap, let it sit in air for a few hours until you put your hand and it isnt sticky and seems liek a hard crust.

Cmon some, try your hand at it and post tips or results :p

[cosmicdust]

I made HASH OIL once in the 70's. My high school friend gave me some pot to turn into hash oil. I placed the pot into a round PYREX boiling flask and added 99% isopropyl alcohol (or at least 90%). I put a rubber cork on top, with a bent glass pipe out, to condense the alcohol vapor, to help reduce the risk of fire, and/or an explosion. I then placed this glass boiling flask into a pan of boiling water (the "double-boiling" method). Again to reduce the risk of fire, and/or explosion from alcohol fumes.

I slowly boiled this mixture, for about an hour, until it turned into a greenish-brown mixture. I let then used a coffee filter to extract the liquid and placed it in an aluminum pie pan to evaporte. Stainless steel, or glass pie pans may be better. I placed it outside (in the hot summer sun) to evaporate. Eventually, all that was left were rivers of golden-brownhash oil. I scraped out the hash oil and placed it on a microscope-glass slide.

The next day, my friend picked me up in his VW Beetle Bug. At nighttime, parked along a country road, we smoked the hash oil. Maybe not the best place to do this at. I was sitting on the front seat, passenger side of his car, when I hit off of the pipe, with the hash oil in it. I got really high, really quickly. I thought that my seat belt was a big snake!!! But I wasn't scared! Minutes later, I was disorientated and didn't know exactly where I was, while my friend was trying to drive back to my house.

I was temporarily too high to give my find proper directions, so he took a wrong turn and we went in the opposite direction but not alot out of our way. We drove by a resturant, so we decided to grab a bite to eat. I came down to more plesant and sane levels, which was more enjoyable. We made it to my house all right, safe and soiund. That was some powerful stuff!!!

Hash oil can be smoked in a small "hash" pipe, a bubble-glass pipe or a pipe with a fine screen. It can be smoked all by itself, on top of weed, or top of tobacco. A bong or water-pipe can work, too. It's your choice!

Isopropyl alcohol is a good solvent, because it is low in toxicity. ETHANOL (Ethyl Alcohol, or "grain alcohol") is the alcohol that we drink, and would make a really good solvent, if you can get ahold of it. METHANOL (Methyl Alcohol, or "wood alcholol") is very toxic, so don't use this! ACETONE works, too, but I'm not familar on its toxicity.

How does the high differ, between a HOT-type and COLD-type extractions? Anybody? Both seem to work. You could "eat" or "drop" it, but it may be too powerful that way, and a waste, if you passed out quickly.

That's my experience with hash oil. Potent stuff!!!

Peace out. Smoke up.

[cosmicdust]

If you read my post #31, in the "Kesey vs. Leary" thread (under LSD-Acid Trips), awhile ago. I mentioned "Acetate-THC", made by the OSS (later CIA), as a "Truth Drug", before they got involved in their LSD experiments, on the Baby-Boomer generation. Haight-Ashbury was one LSD-test site experiment. This social-experiment failed, as we went toward love, peace, understanding, mind-expansion and spiritual enlightnment.

Anyway, here is the OSS/CIA recipe for "ACETATE-THC" oil:

"Office of Strategic Services (OSS), wartime precursor to CIA, "Begins searching for a drug that will force subjects of interrogation, such as captured Nazi U-boat crews, to reveal secrets."
"To "administer" pot without a subject's knowing it, OSS scientists dissolve marijuana leaves in acetone, then heat the result into a clear, odorless, viscious liquid -- tetrahydrocannabinal acetate -- which can be "injected" into any type of food, such as mashed potatoes, butter, salad dressing, or in such things as candy."
"THC acetate is tested on an unknowing subject ..."
"Henceforth, OSS refers to the THC acetate simply as "TD", a cryptonym for "Truth Drug".

Has your food been tasting like acetone lately? No. This was pre- and during WWII. I wasn't born, yet.

I used isopropyl alcohol, as a solvent for my batch of hash oil, so I guess I made: "isopropyl-THC"? If you boil marijuana leaves in VODKA, then strain, but DON"T let it evaporate, butb use it as an alcohol drink, it's called: GREEN DRAGON. Not quite like ELECTRIC KOOL-AIDE, but close enough. Care for a glass?

ARTICLE: Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy: Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent?, By Mark Riebling LINK: www.markriebling.com/leary.html (http://www.markriebling.com/leary.html)

THIS IS YOUR GOVERNMENT ON DRUGS!!! DON'T DO DRUGS! HYPOCRITES!

"Turn on, tune in and take over!" - Timothy Leary's later version

Peace out. Smoke up.

[TerrapinHigher]

just found out oil blown with pvc tubes contains lead. metal tubes seem to be the safest way i guess.

[Grapefruity]

bah I use small shampoo bottles it works great.

hehe Cosmicdust had you smoked one?

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Hey Grapefruity :) ! Waddaya think of ISOing fresh frosty harvest trim thats still a bit wet? Waddaya thinka that? I make ice water hash mostly but sometimes I make some ISO too and I love it. Yours looks great too! I never made it with still wet trim tho and I was wonderin if you got any insight into this. :)

[Grapefruity]

Still a bit wet...Yeah it would work for sure but it would take longer of shaking than with dry stuff...You pretty much choose the quality youll be makin after a first try with your material, so id say use preferably 91% or 99% , and shake a good 90 secs and see the results...

Youll see if its really frosty , still kinda wet leaves will give you an awesome product. And if you are already makin iso with the method I posted here, dont add more alchohol than usual for the quantity. Wet leaves take more volume but you dont need a bigger volume of alc. Just check the weight I guess...my rule is half a 500ml bottle for each 20 grams.

[LuMpYtRiChOmEy]

Thanks Grapefruity! Lemme go see if I got any ISO left, if not Il go out to the drug store. Im prety shure all they got there is 70% but thats what I usually use :) . Yea! I always use the 2 min shake like a madman method as described by HashMasterKut from the old Overgrow, works great! You got a great thread here that was badly needed! It really is this simple! Mabey Folks just didnt know how simple it is :) ! Thank you Brudda!

[Grapefruity]

no prob!

Yeah it is an awesome method, turning trash to stash!