Im gonna stop heroin cold turkey....

[Psylence]

So alot of you guys have made me want to re-evaluate my choice of drugs and the way I treat my body. I am gonna try to stop using, Its 7am Wednesday morning. I run my own bussiness doing custom marble work, so I am taking the next 3 days off plus the weekend for the holiday...I hope im not sick on x-mas day...
So its been about 8 hours since my last shot. Ive shot 6 bags in the last 24 hours, Im not getting any to taper down with...i just gonna do it,,,,wish me luck,,,,and I know I was being a dick in the other thread about this, but some of you have really made me do some thinking and I have ALOT to loose,It made me realize I have no reason to do Heroin, I have 2 beautifukl children, A totally hot fiance that I would die to make happy, My own house, I make very good money for my age (65k a year) I went in to my daughters room last night and kissed her on the cheek while she was sleeping and almost cried thinking about loosing her, so thanks and If I can quit i owe you guys (on some cosmic level i suppose:) )
thanks
Psy

[Twizz]

so thanks and If I can quit i owe you guys
No problem. You can send all your drugs via expresspost to me, and that should cover the due.

Just kidding. Good luck!

[IronGoth]

Sorry for being so nasty about trying to get you to stop, but I really am cheering for you.

Don't try doing this alone... you'll need support.

[TokeTrip]

Don't try doing this alone... you'll need support.
Ditto. You quit for your family, let them (at least your wife) know so she can help you too.

[IronGoth]

Ditto. You quit for your family, let them (at least your wife) know so she can help you too.
Dude, I don't do drugs. Psylence is the one kicking this.

[Trippin' Billies]

Dude, I don't do drugs. Psylence is the one kicking this.

toketrips post was directed to psylence...

but anyway, Good Luck Psy, glad you decided to quit

[hippiehillbilly]

yer gonna be one sick mother fucker x mas day.. or youll do a bag to make it thru..

i hope yer fiancee knows,, cause if yer bootin 6 bags a day an quittin cold turkey,, yer gonna be one fucked up sick fucker..

nice jesture tho,, i wish you well..

aint stuck a needle in my arm in almost 20 years..

the taste,, the thought of the rush,,it never gos away ya know??

luv n lite..

[IronGoth]

Screw off, smooth_e

HHB - my hat's off to ya for kicking that. I watched friends of mine go down with that stuff and never get out.

[Trippin' Billies]

Keep using the smack. I think you would be even more of a fucked up prick without it.
wow, is this guy serious?


wut a fuck :rolleyes:

[TokeTrip]

toketrips post was directed to psylence...

but anyway, Good Luck Psy, glad you decided to quit
Yeah. Sorry for the confusion :)

[IronGoth]

Smooth_E: Hope and pray you never see heroin turn one of your friends into a feral animal who'd kill you for $20.

[kris_p]

dude, if you're quittin old turkey, maaaaad fuckin props

you are gonna be in some rough fuckin shape, but keep remembering its for the best.....always keep thinking that, no matter what anyone says to try and deter you from kickin the habit

i wish you an awesome recovery man!!!

cheers :)

[Trippin' Billies]

dude, if you're quittin old turkey, maaaaad fuckin props
and thats for damn sure!

[Psylence]

I am getting sicker by the hour, my guy just came by and i told him no (hareder than i thought) i know this hasnt even started yet, its only been like 20 hours...

[oOflyeyesOo]

here, this was posted by kingsblend420 on another forum, he really knows what he is talking about and this will help alot.
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Narcotic withdrawal - a junkies guide for survival

You are waking from the warm fuzzy dream.. you're supply is depleted, your 'guy' is out of town, and it's a good 4 weeks before you can refill your script.. you're going to suffer from NARCOTIC WITHDRAWAL - So what can ya do about it?
Drag yourself to your local pharmacy with this for a shopping list -

1) Imodium AD - and get the SYRUP - you can also get the pills or gel-caps as they will come in handy later.. you can get the generic shit too, just make sure that the ONLY active drug is loperamide hcl .. get a big bottle, hell, get 3 or 4 .. and no, it doesn't have a "pleasant cherry taste" .. this brings us to the next item -


2) Fruit juice - carbonated beverages won't do ya a lot of good... I have done this many times, and I find some apple juice to be the drink of choice ..

3) Aleve (or generic - you want naproxen sodium) .. this will help with the muscle aches and pains ..

4) Sominex (or generic - you want diphenhydramine).. this is an OTC sleep aide that *WILL* knock you out! Now if you have benzos or some other type of tranqualizer, thats better as they have other properties that we desire - but still, pick some of this up because without it you will just toss and turn all night...

5) Soup - whatever you like, it taste the same comming up ..
Some people recomend DXM, but I don't think it does much good when one is going through withdrawal - it *CAN* help reduce ones tollerence to opiates/opioids - pick up a bottle, remember, you want DXM ONLY .. you can try this, but I found it never really did anything but make my feel 'trippy' in higher doses (NOT pleasureable when you're kicking) ..
Ok, first off, there is no magic cure for withdrawal that DOESN'T involve some type of narcotic - thats what withdrawal is - the condition resulting from the absence of opiate/opioids in your system... in other words, don't think you can go on a 3 month heroin binge and walk away like nothing happened - BUT - I have been through this many, many, many times before - and I can help you reduce the pain and suffering to *ALMOST* nothing ..
Now, how bad will it be? Well, that depends on a few things:
*) HOW MUCH were you taking?
Someone who mainlines a gram of heroin every 16 hours is going to have it a LOT worse then someone who pops a few Lortab every day..

*) HOW OFTEN were you taking the drugs? Again, if you made opiated bliss a full-time job, then you're going to have it a little harder then the occasional pill poper..

*) WHAT were you taking? If you liked to take codeine every day, you will probably suffer a little less then someone whos drug of choice was black tar..
I will assume that our subject falls in the moderate to heavy use catagory - could be considered an 'addict', or 'independent self-medicator'..
Withdrawal can set in within hours, depending on the frequency of your opiate/opioid intake - an IV heroin user who would fix every 4 hours is going to feel the kick comming a lot sooner then someone who eats Vicodin after work each night ..
I wont get into the psychological aspects of narcotic withdrawal, as thats a book in itself...
IMODIUM AD - OTC METHADONE!

I can't say enough about Loperamide - this shit is truely amazing.. it is really like OTC methadone .. so I think I will say a little about it;
Back in the day, Jansen (pharmacuticals) was trying to tweak out the fentanyl molecule - loperamide and fentanyl have a lot in common in terms of their structure.. anyway, they came up with loperamide in hopes it would be some incredible opioid - sadly it wasn't... so it was placed in federall schedule V - then, for some unknown reason, it was knocked out of C-V and made an OTC drug - you know it as Imodium AD .. there were some studies done on morphine dependent monkeys, and loperamide halted the withdrawal with as much success as methadone - so hey, don't write it off as a "junkie trick"...
How to use it? Well, ideally you want to take it prior to the onset of physical withdrawal - hence the reason for the liquid - it is rapidly absorbed into yer system .. for a dose I recomend about 4mg-6mg - yes, more then recomended by the FDA .. this can almost totally halt with physical aspects of withdrawal - it does little for the mental cravings though .. you can 'maintain' yourself with the pills/gel's but the syrup is FAR better - still, I find it's easier to pop a few pills at work then to bust out with the economy size bottle of an anti-diarrhea medicine..
For a moderate user, loperamide will just about kill *all* the physical symptoms - but for the heavy user, or for a good portion of the moderate users, there is that one physical effect that persists - muscle aches .. enters the Aleve (naproxen) .. take 500mg every few hours ..
Ok, so you are now narcotic free, and maintained fairly well with the Imodium and Aleve - is it that easy? No, not really.. while the above can help, you will still suffer from SOME physicl effects - I will list them.. some, all, or none may apply to you:
1) Cold sweats
2) Nausea
3) Diarrhea
4) Vomiting
5) Muscle pain
6) Insomnia
7) Depression (I wont get into it)

The severity of the effects depends on how much of what you take and how often you did so..
How long does it last? Overall, the worst is over after about 3-5 days, and from there it's just a matter of dealing with some minor annoyances .. the first few days are the worst, and I don't advise doing any more then you have to - lay in bed, keep a trash can nearby, and have a good stock of toliet paper .. food is a good thing, but you might not be able to keep it down - but THIS IS IMPORTANT - diarrhea and vomitting cause you to lose a LOT of water, so you WILL dehydrate - hence, you MUST maintain a good intake of fluids... thirsty or not, drink a cup of something every hour or so ..
Sominex will help you sleep, and benzos are wonderfull!
Everything else is a matter of personal opinion - do what feels good.. some people find sex is a good way to make a bad situation good, I personally don't want to do anything sexual when I am going through withdrawal.. I like to be as clean as possible - it really makes me feel good to take a few hot showers a day, but others can't take the water - YMMV, find out what works and go with it!
Thats most of the general advice I have...
Prevention is really the best way to go - TAPER YOUR DOSE when you're running low (yeah right) .. a nice alternative is to keep some narcotics on hand that wont really fuck you up, but will keep the withdrawal under control - ie codeine - it wont make you warm and fuzzy, but it may enable you to avoid missing a few days of work/school ..

[IronGoth]

I'm not a heroin user, but this is intriguing advice.

Should I need to pass this on, what effects could one expect from chugging Imodium, or is this moot considering the fact that you see a laxative effect from stopping smack?

[Psylence]

Thanks alot for the info, I new about the loperamide, and i have some...I am pretty fucking drunk right now off some reaaly nice brandy i got of these ppl I did a custom shower for...yeah man im wasted, but still sick, the brandy helps alot that and chicken soup...I know tommorow is gonna suck alot...my guy is actually being cool about me quitting, ( i mean i have quit b4, so this is not new, but i never quit to quit, only to get my tolerance down) so i have never went w/o for more than 3 or 4 days...anyway im gonna go watch the history channel ( i love that shit)

AND TO THAT GUY WHO THINKS HE IS FUNNY...yeah man your pretty fucking "punk rock" over the net, talk that shit to me in the face bro...youll get a fucking tattoo with a baseball bat.. I AM NOT THE ONE!!! plus with me kicking dope, shit bro, ya might not breathe again...

[IronGoth]

Stay in touch with us. When you get depressed, cold, whatever, log on. Ping us. You're gonna feel low, and you'll need people pullin for ya.

[oOflyeyesOo]

I'm not a heroin user, but this is intriguing advice.

Should I need to pass this on, what effects could one expect from chugging Imodium, or is this moot considering the fact that you see a laxative effect from stopping smack?Yea pass it on. Quiting opiates will give you the shits like crazy and alot of intestine pain. It helps some of the other parts of the with draws too.

[SaintStephen]

Psy, if u ever feel like giving in to ur urges, look at your daughter again. Then ask yourself which is stronger, your love for heroin or your love for her.

Major props for quittin. Keep it up!!!

[Twizz]

I think that tapering off would be a better idea, then quit cold turkey from there. Like, take a half a hit every time you would take a full hit, and do it just as often as you used to. Then, you will have half as hard of a time coming off.(At least thats what I'm guessing)

[oOflyeyesOo]

A better thing to do would be to take a shot every so often just to cover the withdraws, not to get high at all, just so you dont go fucking nuts, do less and less each time.

[wiggy]

I would get as much support as possible - its all fine saying you want to stop and things but not going back will be harder - if you have carried on with this try and get someone to check on you or be with you - your body can do wierd things while going 'cold turkey' - without the right legal drugs alot can happen. If you are doing it now - good luck. I hope things will look clearer in a few days xxx

[Blissful Thinking]

Little late to reply, but hey better late than never eh?

No doubt about it man, you got a good head on you shoulders, may have just taken awhile to get things through. That's fucking great that your stopping cold turkey. There is no better christmas present you could give yourself. No lie though, as you already know, your going to be sick off your ass for quite some time bro. But man, doing whats best for your family comes first right? Keep us posted, and don't give in.

[generic]

if your getting pains then maybe a little MJ will help ease that?

Also im not sure if this is a myth but i heard that a psychedelic tryptamine called ibogaine somehow resets your receptors in your brain to their natural state removing any chemical dependency(but not psychological). I know its not cheap-youll probably have to take a plane to some equatorial country(i cant remember exactly which one) and stay with the local shamans to get some but you seem wealthy enough to afford it. And it's also not something to be taken lightly, Imagine a more powerful ayahuasca trip that lasts for 72 hours (6x as long).

[timeoutofmind]

Also im not sure if this is hearsay but i heard that a psychedelic tryptamine called ibogaine somehow resets your receptors in your brain to their natural state removing any chemical dependency(but not psychological). I know its not cheap-youll probably have to take a plane to some equatorial country(i cant remember exactly which one) and stay with the local shamans to get some but you seem wealthy enough to afford it. And it's also not something to be taken lightly, Imagine a more powerful ayahuasca trip that lasts for 72 hours (6x as long).

ibogaine is actually quite dangerous and people have actually died from it. but suposely it can be extremly helpful with quitting your addictions.

[Twizz]

ibogaine is actually quite dangerous and people have actually died from it. but suposely it can be extremly helpful with quitting your addictions.I think that considering the dangers, he'd be better off to wait it off unless the cold turkey method doesn't work. I'd try ibogaine as a plan b, or a last resort.

[adrian nor]

I'd suggest you to have a big bag of weed... Eventually eat 10 grams of hash(or a little more of pot)... You wont be ABLE to do heroin :p

[adrian nor]

Keep using the smack. I think you would be even more of a fucked up prick without it. Errr... You, talking about pricks?! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/pissedoff.gif I don't know about this guy, but you seriously need to shut up.

From http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137034&page=2&pp=10
I think some of these sexual liberals could use their nuts cut off. I think the "smooth_e" you do have lowered your amount of serotonin and made you less empathic when you're sober...

So, stop taking e's and don't be an ass.




wow, is this guy serious?


wut a fuck :rolleyes:
Then we agreehttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/humm.gif

[cheshirecat]

[QUOTE=SaintStephen]Psy, if u ever feel like giving in to ur urges, look at your daughter again. Then ask yourself which is stronger, your love for heroin or your love for her.


That's not a good question when going thropugh withdrawal, especially heroin. You love it more than anyone. People will do and think irrational thoughts when kicking something so heavy.
Personally, and really professionally speaking,you need some Klonopin to help you through the fist 2 weeks for heroin,other opiates and alcohol. It has the longest half-life (in your body), and it ias the easiest to stop of all benzodiasepines. If you tell any doctor that this is your plan of withdrawal, they will give you the Klonopin. You are in danger of a heart attack after the heavy amount to nothing. It's generically called clonazepam. I wish you the best of luck. Please though, a doctor can help you, as during this time your heart will have irregular heartbeats, and you could have a seizure. The Klonopin will stave that off as well. Just think about different points in the day, goals top reach. waking without and sitting up, going until noon, etc. May sound sill and corny, but this is real and I know what I'mtalking about.

[Psylence]

So, i didnt give in, well maybe i did a bit , i took some percocet llike 70mgs, and all it did was make it so could eat...man this sucks so much. I have never felt like this ever...I was doing 6-15 bags a day, and maybe cold turkey was the worst way to go...so the percocet helped.
The biggest problem is that NOBODY knows I do this shit, the only person that does is my dealer and some of my old friends, but there is no support there. so my girl just thinks I have the flu...she is being so sweet and i feel so guilty....I hope this is over soon, i want to die

[IronGoth]

/me thinks now is the time to tell her.

[DXMsucks]

Yeah telling her would be a big help. Getting that shit off your shoulders so she can help you. Whoever said go to a doctor gave good advice. They can either get you methadone or some thing else to help. Much love from this way man, good luck.

[Twizz]

You should tell your girlfriend that you are trying to kick it, so she can help you. I think that telling her you are trying to get off it for your family and future will earn you a lot more kudos than when she finds out for herself someday, and accuses you of lying to her (even though you might not have, people tend to assume if they aren't told something, then they are being lied to.)

[cheshirecat]

[QUOTE=Psylence]So, i didnt give in, well maybe i did a bit , i took some percocet llike 70mgs, and all it did was make it so could eat...man this sucks so much. I have never felt like this ever...I was doing 6-15 bags a day, and maybe cold turkey was the worst way to go...so the percocet helped.
I am glad that you had some form of opiate inyour posseson rather than going freezing, puking turkey. I don't usually recommend to people trying to quit drugs, marijuana can be a life-saver when it comes to these types of things. Nobody get on me, as I really am trying to help him make it through without a seizure or another neuro emergency or heart arrithmias (irregualr heart beat). Please, at this moment, use what you have to ,not to get a buzz, but helps you eat and drink and go to the bathroom normally. You are doing great. You haven't chased the dragon. So, people don't know? You do have the flu, it is the flu season. It would help your withdrawal if those that loved you knew what you ae doing and how brave you are. It make s a HUGE amount of difference. Keep up the good work!!

[AT98BooBoo]

I'll be praying for ya tonight Psylence.

Here's a few quotes from the Good Book.

"A prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise them up."

They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They will rise up like an eagle. They shall run and not be tired. They will walk and not be faint"

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me".

I'm not trying to preach but remember this. The Lord hasn't turned His back on you. He's waiting there with His hand stretched out to you,waiting for you to grab ahold so he can help you stand up.

[cheshirecat]

I'll be praying for ya tonight Psylence.

Here's a few quotes from the Good Book.

"A prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise them up."

They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They will rise up like an eagle. They shall run and not be tired. They will walk and not be faint"

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me".

I'm not trying to preach but remember this. The Lord hasn't turned His back on you. He's waiting there with His hand stretched out to you,waiting for you to grab ahold so he can help you stand up.
Trying not to preach? That's your whole post. I know you are trying to help, but this man needs help in the physical world right now. He is going through what in the next week or so will be a possibly life-threatening situation. You don't know what religion or if he is religious at all. I know you are helping in your own way, and obviuosly it's something you know a great deal about. As a therapist, I know withdrawal, and he is in the physical world right now, and the only way he wants to be in the spiritual world now is by dying, because he feels he is. I'm glad that at least you aren't putting him down for ever picking up the H.

[oOflyeyesOo]

Psylence, did you read my post, it has alot of information to help you. I think its a must in your situation.

[El Capitan]

wow, is this guy serious?


wut a fuck :rolleyes: dont forget is the internet.

[Trippin' Billies]

dont forget is the internet.
true

[AT98BooBoo]

Trying not to preach? That's your whole post. I know you are trying to help, but this man needs help in the physical world right now. He is going through what in the next week or so will be a possibly life-threatening situation. You don't know what religion or if he is religious at all. I know you are helping in your own way, and obviuosly it's something you know a great deal about. As a therapist, I know withdrawal, and he is in the physical world right now, and the only way he wants to be in the spiritual world now is by dying, because he feels he is. I'm glad that at least you aren't putting him down for ever picking up the H.Preaching would be downing him and telling him he's going to hell or that he's a bad person for using heroin.Cheshirecat, saying " I'm glad that at least you aren't putting him down for ever picking up the H" is a put down in and of itself. Not all Christians are self-righteous,judgemental,wacko, right-wing fundamentalist nut cases like Pat Robertson or the guy that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington D.C. If you had read any of my other posts or had met or known me in person like several folks(ie PeaceluvinhippieTaz,Personface,and MoonovertheMtn to name a few) on here have, you would know I'm nothing like those preachy,self righteous fundie types.

I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.



I know the spiritual world had the positive effect on the physical world of helping my full blown alcoholic older brother and me(a problem drinker ) gain the victory over alcohol.

Spiritual encouragement or help is not a solution in and of itself but is merely part of the greater whole.
Sometimes a few words of encouragement can make all the difference. Cheshirecat, I didn't jump all over you for your words of encouragement and advice nor did I put you down, so please show me the same respect.


I'm running up a white flag of truce before we get into an argument and am inviting everyone to join me in sending Psylence a great big cyber group hug.

Remember that life is a gift. Kudos to you Psylence for opening your gift.

[IronGoth]

It's interesting how often the vampires that pass for religious people in this country can't wait to exploit misery for the benefit of forwarding their own interpretation of religion.

RE: I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.

You know how the Thais do it?

They give them an emetic to drink and have them drink tons of water, vomiting over and over and over and over again until they completely collapse.

Then they take them to a place to lie down, chain them to posts, and leave em to contemplate the Long Dark Night of the Soul.

[IronGoth]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,835254,00.html

[cheshirecat]

I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.



I know the spiritual world had the positive effect on the physical world of helping my full blown alcoholic older brother and me(a problem drinker ) gain the victory over alcohol.

Spiritual encouragement or help is not a solution in and of itself but is merely part of the greater whole.
Sometimes a few words of encouragement can make all the difference. Cheshirecat, I didn't jump all over you for your words of encouragement and advice nor did I put you down, so please show me the same respect.


You are exactly right. All of these things,i.e. spiritual, physical, etc all play in together to help in any illlness,mental or physical. Andhumor has a HUGE amount of effect.
I was just trying to say that now, without his asking for some spiritual help, which they would ask you in the hospital, is not help RIGHT NOW. Later, as he grows stronger, it will be of use, whether it's opening his chakras or regualr psychotherapy, or New Testament prayer. But you are right about everything combined is a help in the long run.

Oh, IronGoth, I read the article, Ahhhh!! It sounds like a P.O.W. camp. But, if you read the article again,it says that the only time they are chained to a post is when they are a danger to themselves or others. I know, still sounds barbaric, but that isn't the normal course. Everthing else about it looks oddly unethical and UNSANITARY.
Cheshire Cat

[generic]

go on psylence you can do it. And reward yourself each step of the way with a big fat joint. Itll get you off the nasty shit

[WayfaringStranger]

congrats on day 3, or 4, i hope. this is something that you have to quit everyday for the rest of your life. but on the bright side, if you play your cards right, you only have to go throught the sickness once. focus on that. the sickness will dissapate after about 5 or 6 days, unless you go ahead and fuck up, then you have to go through it again. so which is worse, fighting the desire to do dope, or fighting the sickness time and time again.

[seancourt]

I think we're all missing the point of boo boo's posts, he is just sending his best to psylence who is obviously going through a hell of a time in his life

[TokeTrip]

Oh, IronGoth, I read the article, Ahhhh!! It sounds like a P.O.W. camp. But, if you read the article again,it says that the only time they are chained to a post is when they are a danger to themselves or others. I know, still sounds barbaric, but that isn't the normal course. Everthing else about it looks oddly unethical and UNSANITARY.
Cheshire Cat
Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

I'm not saying all heroin addicts are bad,b ut something that extreme seems to fit the problem.

Congrats to the OP on making it so far. Good luck.

[Crazy_P]

Good to know that a 15-year-old kid can decide, based on what must be a huge amount of experience, who deserves to deal with a mind bending withdrawal while chained to a post. Kudos, sir, and a merry Christmas.

[IronGoth]

I've seen footage. It does work.

Unlike clinics here, where as soon as the withdrawal sets in they check emselves out.

[TokeTrip]

Good to know that a 15-year-old kid can decide, based on what must be a huge amount of experience, who deserves to deal with a mind bending withdrawal while chained to a post. Kudos, sir, and a merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas, and shut up. :) Seriously, you are three years older than me, and probably have more life experience too. This, however, does not give you the moral superiority you pretend to have. Basing your opinion solely on my age makes you a fool or someone who's insecure regarding their own knowledge. Que horrible, senor! By the way, neurotin is one of my new favorite drugs.

[WayfaringStranger]

i gotta stand up for toketrip, he seems to have all his wiring intact. i gotta say myself, after bein a hippie for well over a decade, that anyone who even tries somethin like heroin, well is doomed from the beggining, but some folks can pull out of it, and go on to be happy without it. so thats what i root for everytime i hear of someone on dope. and ive lost many of kids to dope, and i still on a very real personal base run into it often, i get offered it often, i get kids tryin to sneak it in too, it aint no game, its a form of slavery.

[JayBird]

Any word yet from Psylence? I hope he kicked it OK.

[cheshirecat]

[QUOTE=TokeTrip]Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

YOU'RE 15. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I hope you never find yourself on the wanting end of anything. You better pray that if you were in a deep abiss someone would even care, you judgemental, teenage moron. Cost efficient? You don't even know cost per ratio in rehabs. Those in Thailand were actually pretty expensive, especially for them.

Wait a few years and if you are even worthy,then you may give your insipid opinion. Did Mommy and Daddy make you come to that conclusion? Next week you'll be back in tenth grade, doing your Algebra,and you won't have time to judge people that are going through what you can't possibly even imgine.. You could still have empathy. You know what the definition of that is? Of course not. Look it up in your Encyclopedia Britannica collection that you got for graduating from middle school. Oh, get a little part time job, so when you learn to drive AHAHAHAHAH! you can get a little second hand. I can't even believe I am reponding to a CHILD!! You may think you are a man,but you are wrong. And your thought on heroin use and rehab show this point GLARINGLY WELL!! I can't wait for X-mas break to be over.

Cheshire Cat
P.S. Neurontin is NOT a cool, recreational drug, no matter how it makes you feel. It is for seizure activity, but has pretty much been in a lot of hot water as people in the past two years have commited suicide from taking it. You may think that you are somehow "cool" for taking a neuro emergency drug. I took Neurontin for years,and I CANNOT believe that it would be a an excellent party drug.. You are a CHILD. Why and who is giving you that drug? They are NOT your friend. And YOU had the nreve to bring into question another person's worth by their drug use. You know what I think? You keep going,like other teens who think prescription drugs are cool, and they will find you like Jimmi Hendrix and Jim Morrison, bloated and dead in your bathtub, your body abused and beaten by drug use. A beautiful picture. Just go to school, do your homework, get into a good college, and have a LIFE. But don't EVER call into question another person abiss into drug use when you think it's cool to take an anti-siezure drug. Idiot. I went off of it because I HATED the way it made me feel. I suppose an elephant tranquilizer would be a one of your fantasies. Do you even have parents that know you are own this drug? It's not that easy to hide. Well you can't drive yet anyway, hehehe, so you don't even have a frame of reference (look it up). Sad, Sad, Sad. If I knew your name and where you lived, I would keep a watch over the obits for your name. Yeah,you are the "man" hah, for taking Neurontin. You will be sorry you ever started.

[Thunder2002]

Good luck Psylence, let us know how you are. Even if your having trouble dont give up.

[cam95]

[QUOTE=cheshirecat][QUOTE=TokeTrip]Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

YOU'RE 15. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I hope you never find yourself on the wanting end of anything. You better pray that if you were in a deep abiss someone would even care, you judgemental, teenage moron. Cost efficient? You don't even know cost per ratio in rehabs. Those in Thailand were actually pretty expensive, especially for them.
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honestly, while toketrip does sound like an asshole for not supporting the guy, stfu cheshirecat. im sick of people thinking everything you know is based on your age. i know kids twice as smart as me who are younger than me, and twice as old as me who are dumb shits. age means nothing, except how old your body is.

anyway, i hope you kick it alright man. just hang on, take it step by step. it will end, and it will be worth it. Remeber how many people are rooting for you.

[seancourt]

honestly, while toketrip does sound like an asshole for not supporting the guy, stfu cheshirecat. im sick of people thinking everything you know is based on your age. i know kids twice as smart as me who are younger than me, and twice as old as me who are dumb shits. age means nothing, except how old your body is.

haha ok buddy, age means nothing? That could have been the most ignorant comment i've heard in a while. Even if some of the older people on here aren't the smartest in the world, they have one thing your childish ass doesn't have; experience. They've gone through alot more years then you have, and in a lot of situations, have been there, and done that so to speak. What the fuck do you know anyways, you're 14, people two times younger than you are smarter than you? Gee dude, that must say alot about you then huh? Probably why you posted such a dumbass comment like that. Im not too old myself, im only 18, but im old enough to know that i should be showing some sort of respect for those older than me with good advice and know what they're talking about. dumbfuck

[TokeTrip]

[QUOTE=cheshirecat][QUOTE=TokeTrip]Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

YOU'RE 15. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I hope you never find yourself on the wanting end of anything. You better pray that if you were in a deep abiss someone would even care, you judgemental, teenage moron. Cost efficient? You don't even know cost per ratio in rehabs. Those in Thailand were actually pretty expensive, especially for them.
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honestly, while toketrip does sound like an asshole for not supporting the guy, stfu cheshirecat. im sick of people thinking everything you know is based on your age. i know kids twice as smart as me who are younger than me, and twice as old as me who are dumb shits. age means nothing, except how old your body is.

anyway, i hope you kick it alright man. just hang on, take it step by step. it will end, and it will be worth it. Remeber how many people are rooting for you.
Just to be clear, I do support the guy. Quitting heroin usage is a difficult thing ( I would assume); but trying it, in most cases, is a choice. Continuing to use it is, in most cases, a choice.

Cheshire: I think being chained to a post is significantly cheaper than methadone + doctor fee's.

[TokeTrip]

haha ok buddy, age means nothing? That could have been the most ignorant comment i've heard in a while. Even if some of the older people on here aren't the smartest in the world, they have one thing your childish ass doesn't have; experience. They've gone through alot more years then you have, and in a lot of situations, have been there, and done that so to speak. What the fuck do you know anyways, you're 14, people two times younger than you are smarter than you? Gee dude, that must say alot about you then huh? Probably why you posted such a dumbass comment like that. Im not too old myself, im only 18, but im old enough to know that i should be showing some sort of respect for those older than me with good advice and know what they're talking about. dumbfuck
Good job; you can't spell, nor make a complete sentence. I'm not much on personal attacks, but I really feel the need to respond.

Age, alone, does not matter. Experience does. While older people tend to have more experience, that isn't always the case. Also, older people tend to be more engrained (sp?) in their opinions.

You shouldn't respect someone based on age alone, just as you wouldn't respect someone based on race or sexual orientation, alone. They don't always know what they're talking about; for instance, George Bush. He often doesn't know what he's talking about, yet he's almost 60.

I respect the OP because he's decided to do one of the more difficult things in life; quit the king of the opiates. Him caring what I think is doubtful, and unlikely.

I'll go out on a limb here and say there's probably 14 year olds smarter than you or me.

[seancourt]

Good job; you can't spell, nor make a complete sentence. I'm not much on personal attacks, but I really feel the need to respond.

Age, alone, does not matter. Experience does. While older people tend to have more experience, that isn't always the case. Also, older people tend to be more engrained (sp?) in their opinions.

You shouldn't respect someone based on age alone, just as you wouldn't respect someone based on race or sexual orientation, alone. They don't always know what they're talking about; for instance, George Bush. He often doesn't know what he's talking about, yet he's almost 60.

I respect the OP because he's decided to do one of the more difficult things in life; quit the king of the opiates. Him caring what I think is doubtful, and unlikely.

I'll go out on a limb here and say there's probably 14 year olds smarter than you or me.I can't spell? ok.. i really don't see a spelling mistake in there but thats not the point. You're probably just another one of those smart ass little 15 year olds, which it seems to be after reading some of your posts in this thread, so i don't think you should be pointing the finger. All im saying is that younger people these days have no respect for older people it seems. Cheshire cat is trying to help and you have some 14 year old dumbfuck saying age has nothing to do with anything. Well it does, so quit trying to say it doesn't. Heroin addicts deserve it? yea seems like you really care after a dumb comment like that. Quit being a dumbass. I never said older people were smarter necesarrily, i said they have more experience if you actually read my post.

[TokeTrip]

I can't spell? ok.. i really don't see a spelling mistake in there but thats not the point. You're probably just another one of those smart ass little 15 year olds, which it seems to be after reading some of your posts in this thread, so i don't think you should be pointing the finger. All im saying is that younger people these days have no respect for older people it seems. Cheshire cat is trying to help and you have some 14 year old dumbfuck saying age has nothing to do with anything. Well it does, so quit trying to say it doesn't. Heroin addicts deserve it? yea seems like you really care after a dumb comment like that. Quit being a dumbass. I never said older people were smarter necesarrily, i said they have more experience if you actually read my post. I think I addressed the whole experience thing. Also, I at least make an effort to write something readable. Perhaps you should do the same?

[peacelovebarefeet]

Wow... you guys are all SO PITIFUL.

Some guy comes on the internet to reach out and seek help for his heroin addiction. And you all decide to FIGHT ABOUT AGE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS THREAD. That's shitty. I mean, come on... who really cares about the age of someone!!? On the internet, ANYONE can reply to ANYTHING and it really fucking doesn't matter. It's a free motha fucking country, guys... sorry you didn't get the memo. It shows how self-absorbed you all are to begin FIGHTING in the middle of a poor guy trying to get some help.

And to the guy: Hey.. I know many a persons that struggled with heroin, and it's gonna be fucking tough. I'm sure you already know that. But hey, just know that afterwards, you aren't gonna be at the mercy of some stupid drug. You're gonna feel 8754654 times more better than you did, and you'll be so much more healthy. Hell, smoke a couple of bongloads to get you though--it's okay.

Come back and tell us how you fared. Some people, I'm sure, will care.

[seancourt]

Wow... you guys are all SO PITIFUL.

Some guy comes on the internet to reach out and seek help for his heroin addiction. And you all decide to FIGHT ABOUT AGE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS THREAD. That's shitty. I mean, come on... who really cares about the age of someone!!? On the internet, ANYONE can reply to ANYTHING and it really fucking doesn't matter. It's a free motha fucking country, guys... sorry you didn't get the memo. It shows how self-absorbed you all are to begin FIGHTING in the middle of a poor guy trying to get some help.

And to the guy: Hey.. I know many a persons that struggled with heroin, and it's gonna be fucking tough. I'm sure you already know that. But hey, just know that afterwards, you aren't gonna be at the mercy of some stupid drug. You're gonna feel 8754654 times more better than you did, and you'll be so much more healthy. Hell, smoke a couple of bongloads to get you though--it's okay.

Come back and tell us how you fared. Some people, I'm sure, will care.Im self absorbed? my fucking cousin just died of a heroin overdose, and you're calling me self absorbed? fuck you

[seancourt]

All i was trying to lay across the field was that in my own experience noone seems to respect older people as much these days, thats all i was fucking saying, had to turn into a pissing contest though

[generic]

worryingly psylence hasnt posted since day 3 of going cold turkey. Can the withdrawals make you so ill you can't/won't want to go online?

[seancourt]

Can the withdrawals make you so ill you can't/won't want to go online?Dude, heroin withdrawal will make u not want to live lol, i've never been through it cause i've never fucked around with H, but i wouldn't expect psylence to come online during such a hard phase of his life. You gotta give the dude some time

[2cesarewild]

worryingly psylence hasnt posted since day 3 of going cold turkey. Can the withdrawals make you so ill you can't/won't want to go online?The withdrawals are so bad that you can't really do much of anything besides fiend for heroin. They could kill you, but risk is very low, especially since psylence i think (seems from his posts) is pretty healthy for an addict. He definitely FEELS like he is going to die from the sickness though. No joke, why you think junkies ain't afraid to rob liquor stores with their finger pointed like a gun, or rob a kid for his bike in hopes of selling it to get a couple ten bags. The junkies used to be pretty bad here, but still kinda are. There was a guy who robbed a couple dunkin donuts.. his weapon: a used syringe infected with AIDS. He got caught. That was like almost a year ago maybe less. Turns out last week like seven stores got robbed by these two dudes... they catch the dudes, one of them is the AIDS guy. Un-fucking-believable.

[greengoddess]

wow that's awsome to hear.. Good Luck!!

[WeeDMaN]

Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

I'm not saying all heroin addicts are bad,b ut something that extreme seems to fit the problem.

Congrats to the OP on making it so far. Good luck.
When a family members of your is found one morning slumped over dead you may think different.


anyways
Hope ya make it buddy, jus keep remembering that an addiction cant last forever.

[concrete-chaos]

Yes unfortunately, for opiates, I guess because of how they work, and function throughout your body the addiction does last forever. Not the physical obviously, but mentally, somehow it still got in again. I had done heroin when i was between 18 / 19 and stopped cold turkey and stayed clean (absolutely clean from H. i smoked pot almost constantly) for 2 years.

the reason i need to smoke, is that i enjoy it, and i can't really sleep well or long enough if i'm not knocked out, so H is like awsome but i can't stand the consequences anymore. Not to mention the depression and not really knowing myself.

Kudos to this psylence guy, man i have tried many times so far to quit, cold, with codeine tablets, still i'm always going back. I have family support, but since they can't totally understand this i can't blame them for certain things, and besides i can't bring myself to spill this whole bag of shit over them all over again.

I'm broke, absolutely so i can't purchase the needed pills again, i'm hoping the detox centre will help me out but the Dr. will be there on friday's and monday's only, and i don't have nor can i make an appointment so quickly. i'm just gonna show up and hope they can help with some more pills, i really don't want to take methdone, although i dont know how much the pills will help. I'm pretty much very tolerant of the drug, meaning i need a lot to get like wasted on it, and i need like a pack (i dunno about bags im from a diff country, heh but we deal in packs here as a minimum) to feel normal 2 or 3 packs to not worry about running out for the next 20 hrs or so.

I managed to score last night from my guy, who i promised I'd pay soon, in a couple of days. it will wear off very soon, and i also have a full-time job which im at right now, so i really can't work if i'm doing withdrawl cold turkey. I don't really need advice per say although those tips on what stuff you should shop for when trying to quit was very useful, so hopefully i can try to get some cash maybe from my sis, to at least get the pills.

smoking pot helps a whole lot, specially if you take a couple of codeine pills, which of course you'll have to also quit gradually since they're also addictive. I wish i wasn't in such a vicious cycle - i don't regret every doing H, i just regret that my life has gotten so out of hand, and i have som much stuff i want to change and deal with that using just keeps my mind from going overboard with so much thought. i instantly feel this deep seated panic grip me. plus i know that my view of things is distorted because of it, so i still feel like i won't quit.

hopefully i'll have something more productive to say tomorrow

[teh-horace]

is the original poster still doing good?
i'm kinda curious and worried

[TheLizardKingMike]

Good luck man. It's not going to be easy or fun, but you can do it. I wish you all the best, stay strong bud.

[Psylence]

so, as you know i was tring to kick heroin,,,,and i did it, but the way sucked...I checked into probation on dec 23rd and go piss tested and got popped...they took me to county jail...i went thru withdraw over x-mas in a fucking 5x10 cell....NEVER AGAIN....i missed christmas with my kids...my girl almost left me...i lost my job...
I got out yesterday and i am going to a pretty posh rehab tommorow...6mo....I really need this cuz i have already done 3 roxi 30's (not shooting them tho)...so i hope to have web access there and will keep you guys updated

Heroin= Jail or death..its only a matter of time...you do not want to kick it in jail...no compassion whatsoever....take care..much love, thanks for the support..love you guys :)

[Psylence]

is the original poster still doing good?
i'm kinda curious and worried
read the above ,thanks for the concern, and may you never find that demon

[IronGoth]

PSylence - keep us posted and stay strong.

[Maggie Sugar]

Wow, we were worried about you. Kicking in jail, they didn't even get a doctor to help you out? Isn't that abusive?

Good luck in rehab, I hope you staty strong and clean. Blessings, my man.

[2cesarewild]

Yea kicking in a jail must be *really* shitty, a friend's mom did it once, but she was kibbying so hard that the prison doctor gave her some methadone.

[white ginger]

WHOOOO Woooo woo WHOOOOO!! Psylence you rock dude
--for doing something for yourself, and for people you love

[JayBird]

I didn't think they just left people to cold turkey in jail, that's barbaric. Anyway, good luck Psylence, try and keep us posted.

[Psylence]

I havent gone to rehab yet...I havent shot any dope either...I have snorted a few roxicet's and done dome percs....i really just need to stay oiff the needle....if anyone loves in a town with a good program for ppl in my situation..I dont have any money to spare with kids and all...so i need a practicly free place to do residential tratmnet..i will move if i its what it takes......

[TokeTrip]

I havent gone to rehab yet...I havent shot any dope either...I have snorted a few roxicet's and done dome percs....i really just need to stay oiff the needle....if anyone loves in a town with a good program for ppl in my situation..I dont have any money to spare with kids and all...so i need a practicly free place to do residential tratmnet..i will move if i its what it takes......
Although I sounded like an asshole earlier, It's just because I don't understand what would drive someone to use heroin frequently. I've used it twice, once IV and once nasally, and both times I felt amazing. But I knew that once I started, I wouldnt' be able to stop. What causes someone to disregard the addiction they know will come?

In regards to your post... try just going with your current pills, and reduce them slightly every day, until your off them completely.

[Psylence]

Although I sounded like an asshole earlier, It's just because I don't understand what would drive someone to use heroin frequently. I've used it twice, once IV and once nasally, and both times I felt amazing. But I knew that once I started, I wouldnt' be able to stop. What causes someone to disregard the addiction they know will come?

In regards to your post... try just going with your current pills, and reduce them slightly every day, until your off them completely.
You convince yourself you are not like "the other dumb drug addicts" and that you are "smarter then that"....or you just think you wont ever run out...
I got to the point i couldnt start my day with out it...

its been 47 days since i have shot up...so im doing good..still snorting roxis and eating percs....

[IronGoth]

psylence - stay with us, man. If you get that urge get onto this site and PM someone, anyone to talk ya out of it.

[the anarchist]

Hard as I try I can sympathize but not empathize. I just could never picture myself shooting up and disregarding family, especially kids, for a high.

Psylence, this is your test and once you overcome this you will overcome anything. You are only 24 man, just quit that shit and get a life. I am not saying this to be mean and maybe I am coming off insensitive, but you have to think about your kids when you are doing this. I applaud you for your progress in dealing with this addiction.

The thought of the needle... yeesh.

[sef]

you should get help who ever said dont do it alone listen. my sister is currently at a place in arizona... she was in seattle, and we got her to go to this place cause seh wanted help. you will really need help. we had her go into detox place but after seven days she was free to go and used again, she said she couldnt resist... so now shes down south... good luck

[the anarchist]

Whatever happened to Psylence? Did he screw up and fall under the spell of heroin once again? Is he in treatment? Maybe someone here knows what happened to him.

[seancourt]

I pmed him a while back, im pretty sure he's in treatment, but it's been awhile

[i'm_not_beethoven420]

This is a very difficult & lonely road. At one point in my life i had come to terms with the fact that i was going to die a herione addict. I went cold turky several times, tried a hospital detox, tried a 30 day detox, tried a 6 month detox, went on mantenence, and in new york city, "Mantience" means you are on methodone for the rest of your life. I had to move to kentucky to be able to detox freom methodone, it took about 2 years till i felt normal again, it had been hell being on that drug, there are so many side effects. I have been clean since 98, and have had no interest in opiates at all & have refused them from doctors over time since. I had never heard of an Oxy". till i was long clean & liveing in another place, it was upsetting tho ,to see that the addiction had become avaiable in a easy pill form, in rural america now. While being in the major throws of withdrawal, i had thought of the many addicts of the past in history, before there were treatment programs.

It is Hell, no human should have to experience opiate addiction withdrawal, it is the worst experience possible.

[trippedelia]

good on you man, good on you that took a lot of willpower beyond what most of us can imagine, and you did it.

[white ginger]

Wow. I admire what you did, imnotBeethoven.

[Rearden Metal]

All this needless suffering really bothers me.
Look, I was addicted to oxys and my detox was a breeze. A little nauseous the first day, but no big deal at all. Why? I used buprenorphine.

Every opiate user needs to educate his/her self about bupe. It has already completely replaced methadone in France. If you look around here:

http://www.naabt.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=11

...you'll see how hundreds of people have been able to detox off monster habits, while barely feeling sick at all! Suboxone detox is usually so smooth, many patients don't even miss a day of work.

Now I'm not saying everybody who detoxes with bupe has a great experience, but it's by far the best method I've ever come across, and something more people need to know about.

[satirul]

i wish you the best of luck.

you've done a very important thing for me.you have driven me away from opiates for good,better than any film,flyer or anti-drug campaign;nothing impressed me so much.i thank you for this and hope your story will be a happy one.

[Soberbeah]

hope we hear some news soon

[peacelovebarefeet]

Hey, hope everything is going okay, Psy. Haven't heard from you in a while, and I realized this thread was bumped up, so I thought I would reply. Good luck. PM me if you need to talk to anything.

[Rearden Metal]

i havent read this whole thread but if yer kickin smack, getcha some goddamn methadone. :eek:


...although some say thats harder to kick...:rolleyes:...ahah but if you only use it when it gets too bad and dont keep doing it you should be alright...
Getting on methadone to kick heroin, is like getting on Islam to kick Buddhism.

'done is THE HARDEST habit to break, bar none. It's outdated and obsolete.
Methadone is the cassette playing walkman, while buprenorphine is the iPod.
Get my drift?

[Psylence]

Update.....I went to rehab and completed the program...I am clean now and have been for 6 months. I moved out to Las Vegas and got away from all my old friends..doing good...thanks for all the love
BTW in case you are wondering..I am the original poster on this thread...I looked back at what I wrote then...I dont even know that person...its scary. my life is so much better without that shit...I got a new girl(see the pics in my profile) and i look alot more healthy....

[RELAYER]

LOL I forgot all about this thread ;)