Islam, What is it?

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Islam, what is it? (http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=759)

Origin of the quran (http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1048)

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Arab conspiracy against islam;

http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html

islamic history;

http://www.salagram.net/VWH-Kaaba.html
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/india.html
http://www.geocities.com/akhandbharat1947/ISLAM.html
http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Dec-01/031201.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/dore/text3.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/548123/posts#comment
http://www.westerndefense.org/bulletins/June-02.htm
http://www.hillary.org/hc/Hillary_Clinton_Forum_775_chat1.cgi

http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/Commentary/IslamHistory0212.asp?option=print
http://www.hinduism-today.com/archives/1999/3/1999-3-14.shtml
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/negaind/ch2.htm
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/negaind/index.htm

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/books/howthekwasdestroyed/chapter_01.html


muslim women and islam;

http://wluml.org/english/
http://www.paktaste.com/womens_corner/interview.html
http://www.azadizan.com/english/index.htm
http://www.middleastwomen.org/
http://www.irandwr.org/english/
http://www.stopstoningnow.com/
http://debate.domini.org/newton/

Islam, quran and muhammad;

http://thespiritofislam.com/books/imk/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/islampencereleri3/querying_the_koran.htm
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99jan/koran.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/ulum_al_quran/index.htm
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/



http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html

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Does quran allow, condone and promote violence? (http://www.libertyunites.tv/ftopict-3446.html&sid=2d8c9d1c30ba90713595c5cdcad7e34c)

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Not if there is an attack against family, religion, or nation. As in other religions. That problem's origin is not Quran, its the uneducated people in the middle east.

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EXAMINING THE SOURCES BEHIND CREATION OF THE QURAN

The alleged revelational Sequence of the Quranic Suras ie the order in which Muhammad allegedly told his followers that he received this messages from his Allah. The compiled order of the quran is different from the allegedly revealed order. A question arises, why should one use two different orders for the content of the very same book? Is it not a recipe for confusion under the circumstances in which the quran was allegedly revealed?

The first 86 suras that were allegedly revealed to Muhammad in Makkah in first thirteen years of his mission are as follows.


1=Revelation order and 96=compilation order.

1) 96
2) 68
3) 73
4) 74
5) 1
6) 111
7) 81
8 ) 87
9) 92
10) 89
11) 93
12) 94
13) 103
14) 100
15) 108
16) 102
17) 107
18 ) 109
19) 105
20) 113
21) 114
22) 112
23) 53
24) 80
25) 97
26) 91
27) 85
28 ) 95
29) 106
30) 101
31) 75
32) 104
33) 77
34) 50
35) 90
36) 86
37) 54
38 ) 38
39) 7
40) 72
41) 36
42) 25
43) 35
44) 19
45) 20
46) 56
47) 26
48 ) 27
49) 28
50) 17
51) 10
52) 11
53) 12
54) 15
55) 6
56) 37
57) 31
58 ) 34
59) 39
60) 40
61) 41
62) 42
63) 43
64) 44
65) 45
66) 46
67) 51
68 ) 88
69) 18
70) 16
71) 71
72) 14
73) 21
74) 23
75) 32
76) 52
77) 67
78 ) 69
79) 70
80) 78
81) 79
82) 82
83) 84
84) 30
85) 29
86) 83

The rest 28 of the suras were revealed after Muhammad moved to Madina in the final ten years of his life.


1 or 87) 2
2 or 88 ) 8
3 or 89) 3
4 or 90) 33
5 or 91) 60
6 or 92) 4
7 or 93) 99
8 or 94) 57
9 or 95) 47
10 or 96) 13
11 or 97) 55
12 or 98 ) 76
13 or 99) 65
14 or 100) 98
15 or 101) 59
16 or 102) 24
17 or 103) 22
18 or 104) 63
19 or 105) 58
20 or 106) 49
21 or 107) 66
22 or 108 ) 64
23 or 109) 61
24 or 110) 62
25 or 111) 48
26 or 112) 5
27 or 113) 9
28 or 114) 110

The revelational sequence of quranic sura is given in almost all fundamental tafaseer books with quite a bit of variations. Showing clearly that the source of these revelations is not the same nor it has been preserved properly or there ought not to be any such variations contradicting each other.

Coming to the question regarding the sources of the quran. I think the quran borrows very much from the jewish and christian sources. In fact hadith and tafaseer books contain various stories regarding so called ISRAILIAATS ie hadith reports that are thought of as jewish forgeries or concoctions.

However the problem is that muslims accept that the quran does contain information like that of bible because the bible too was revealed by Allah but has been corrupted here and there. So where there is similarity between the two, there is no dispute but where there are differences, they are due to errors in the bible.

From my point of view, all allegedly divine books are manmade and the quran got at least some of its information from the jewish and christian sources eg idea of one god, satan, heaven, hell, stories of jewish prophets etc etc etc. I have this point of view because the existence of islamic or for that matter god of any allegedly heavenly appointed religion is impossible for its followers to prove. The need for proof on the other hand is absolute, for religion is not a theory nor an assumptuous philosophical concept but a heavenly revealed fact as for as followers of the religion is concerned.

It is also important to note that not only there was no fixed recorded chronological order of the quran but that there was never any fixed compilation order either. Hence we find in islamic sources information showing a great deal of variations and conflicts.

In books like AL-itqaan by Suyooty, several centuries back we find evidences wherein they clearly tell us that people used to have qurans with different sura and verse orders eg ibn masood, abu moosa, ubaee bin ka'b etc etc etc.

So later most muslims accepted the compilation order that was given to the quran as imposed by Uthman bin Afaan the forth caliph of islam after Muhammad. Uthman was also son in law of muhammad by virtue of marrying two of his daughters, one after the other. According to available evidences in sunni and shia books, he ordered destruction of all other variant copies of the quran in the then islamic kingdom or if you like islamic state. Though we still have some variations in the structure and the text of the quran that is explained by scholars in various way, none of which is sufficiently convincing. So now we have quranic copies with differences like different verse numberings etc ie some quranic copies divide the quran into 6666 verses the while other divide the same text to 6238 verses and yet others yet more differently. Not only that but the variation in actual texts are still around as recorded in the fundamental tafaseer books. Could I suggest following links that might be of some help.

http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_collection.htm (http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_collection.htm)
http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_alteration.htm (http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_alteration.htm)
http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_preserved.htm (http://www.quran.org.uk/ieb_quran_preserved.htm)
http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html (http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html)
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/ulum_al_quran/index.ht (http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/ulum_al_quran/index.ht) m
http://www.19.org/english/articles/asadi2.htm (http://www.19.org/english/articles/asadi2.htm)
http://www.geocities.com/khaiyam13/hadith/classification.htm (http://www.geocities.com/khaiyam13/hadith/classification.htm)
http://www.kr-hcy.com/shia/kufr.shtml (http://www.kr-hcy.com/shia/kufr.shtml)
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/books.asp?s=death&tl=0&view=o (http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/books.asp?s=death&tl=0&view=o)
http://www.islamic-paths.org/Articles/cat.asp?iCat=313&iChannel=1&am p;nCha (http://www.islamic-paths.org/Articles/cat.asp?iCat=313&iChannel=1&nCha) nnel=Articles
http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Quran/History/Old_Manuscript (http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Quran/History/Old_Manuscript) s.htm#The%20Codex%20of%20

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To further evidence what I have said, here is the commentary of Mawlana Maududi on revelational order of the quran. Please read it for yourself to see how perfect information we have on revelational order of the quranic suras and verses. So that you could become aware of how baseless is the claim of muslims that so and so has misinterpreted the quran ie out of its context, for suras and verses have their definite order and reason for their revelation and muslims have their perfect record eg click on link no 13), 14) or 15) etc below to see what I mean. If muslims themselves are confused and in conflict about it then how can they accuse others for misinterpreting the quran?

Please note carefully, that allaama modudi is not making up things himself rather he is quoting from original sources of islam.

1) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau96.html#S96 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau96.html#S96)
2) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau68.html#S68 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau68.html#S68)
3) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau73.html#S73 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau73.html#S73)
4) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau74.html#S74 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau74.html#S74)
5) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau1.html#S1 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau1.html#S1)
6) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau111.html#S111 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau111.html#S111)
7) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau81.html#S81 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau81.html#S81)
8 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau87.html#S87 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau87.html#S87)
9) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau92.html#S92 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau92.html#S92)
10) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau89.html#S89 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau89.html#S89)
11) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau93.html#S93 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau93.html#S93)
12) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau94.html#S94 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau94.html#S94)
13) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau103.html#S103 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau103.html#S103)
14) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau100.html#S100 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau100.html#S100)
15) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau108.html#S108 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau108.html#S108)
16) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau102.html#S102 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau102.html#S102)
17) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau107.html#S107 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau107.html#S107)
18 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau109.html#S109 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau109.html#S109)
19) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau105.html#S105 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau105.html#S105)
20) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau113.html#S113 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau113.html#S113)
21) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau114.html#S114 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau114.html#S114)
22) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau112.html#S112 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau112.html#S112)
23) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau53.html#S53 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau53.html#S53)
24) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau80.html#S80 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau80.html#S80)
25) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau97.html#S97 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau97.html#S97)
26) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau91.html#S91 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau91.html#S91)
27) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau85.html#S85 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau85.html#S85)
28 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau95.html#S95 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau95.html#S95)
29) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau106.html#S106 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau106.html#S106)
30) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau101.html#S101 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau101.html#S101)
31) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau75.html#S75 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau75.html#S75)
32) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau104.html#S104 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau104.html#S104)
33) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau77.html#S77 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau77.html#S77)
34) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau50.html#S50 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau50.html#S50)
35) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau90.html#S90 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau90.html#S90)
36) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau86.html#S86 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau86.html#S86)
37) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau54.html#S54 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau54.html#S54)
38 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau38.html#S38 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau38.html#S38)
39) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau7.html#S7 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau7.html#S7)
40) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau72.html#S72 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau72.html#S72)
41) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau36.html#S36 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau36.html#S36)
42) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau25.html#S25 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau25.html#S25)
43) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau35.html#S35 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau35.html#S35)
44) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau19.html#S19 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau19.html#S19)
45) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau20.html#S20 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau20.html#S20)
46) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau56.html#S56 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau56.html#S56)
47) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau26.html#S26 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau26.html#S26)
48 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau27.html#S27 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau27.html#S27)
49) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau28.html#S28 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau28.html#S28)
50) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau17.html#S17 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau17.html#S17)
51) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau10.html#S10 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau10.html#S10)
52) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau11.html#S11 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau11.html#S11)
53) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau12.html#S12 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau12.html#S12)
54) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau15.html#S15 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau15.html#S15)
55) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau6.html#S6 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau6.html#S6)
56) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau37.html#S37 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau37.html#S37)
57) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau31.html#S31 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau31.html#S31)
58 ) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau34.html#S34 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau34.html#S34)
59) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau39.html#S39 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau39.html#S39)
60) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau40.html#S40 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau40.html#S40)
61) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau41.html#S41 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau41.html#S41)
62) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau42.html#S42 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau42.html#S42)
63) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau43.html#S43 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau43.html#S43)
64) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau44.html#S44 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau44.html#S44)
65) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau45.html#S45 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau45.html#S45)
66) http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau46.html#S46 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau46.html#S46)
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All this is to disprove the muslim claim that they have perfect record about the origin of islam. One can see that the quran is the most important thing as far as muslims are concerned yet most if not all vitally important information about the quran is either missing or is unclear and disputed between muslims themselves.

[Mughal]

The purpose of looking at religious information in a critical way is merely to know the truth about it and not to discriminate against its followers in a way that we ourselves end up worse than them. By knowing truth we will save ourselves from falling victim to islamists as well as we will be better able to help our muslim friends to see islam for what it really is.

To continue what I was saying concerning the state of the quran, muslims also claim that they know the quran by heart by millions. You will find them saying, the quran has been preserved through being committed to memory right from the beginning of its revelation. We are told that the prophet himself got it copied through various scribes and kept it safe.

However, if we read what Mawlana modudi states in his tafseer as in the links provided, one cannot fail to realise that if the quran had been so preserved as muslims claim then such discrepancies as are clear to see would not be possible. The failure of preservation of order of revelation and the order of compilation clearly show neither memorising nor writing down of the quran has helped muslims preserve it perfectly or that such means were not employed at all at the time but may have been introduced much later on. If people forgot and so confused the order of the suras and verses then who knows what we have today is original quran that muhammad left behind or was it the reconstruction by his earlier followers? If the prophet left the quran in tact with his followers then what was it that Abubakar did to the quran and if it was originally assembled by Abubakar the first caliph then what was it that uthman did to the quran? Moreover, why did uthman order the burning of all the rest of the quranic copies that differed with the ones that were prepared by his order?

This also shows that all hadith records are also unreliable to say the least. For example, one will find false hadith reports in al-bukhari as well as al-kafi etc- if this is how the best authors of these best hadith books have been collecting hadith reports then what chance is there that people before them took any better care whatsoever as regard preserving hadith reports? Thus all hadith collections by anyone are suspect or are of suspicious nature, so it would seem that islam has no real basis whatsoever.


To add insult to injury, who knows the narrators of ahadith were reliable or not and those who think they were or that they were not how reliable they themselves were? Do we have perfect records of all people from time of muhammad to date who have been talking about each other to prove their reliability? That is what is really needed if one could realise what I am saying.

Let say that my grandson says something about my great grandfather to a friend and he asks him to prove it that what he is saying is true, how can he prove it to him beyond any reasonable doubt? If he says my father's grandfather was very reliable person so he said it, does that prove it? No, because the chain of narrators has to be reliable through and through not just a couple of links of it. Remember, a chain is as strong as its weakest link. So my grandfather was a reliable person according to my grandson means absolutely nothing till we are told who says that my grand father was really a reliable person. It does not stop there rather we need to know the reliability of this person also who says my grandfather was a reliable person. Now we also need to know who says that this person himself was reliable person who is talking about reliability of my grandfather. Can you see what I am getting at? This is what I mean ie we end up with unending chains of narrators of chains of narrators, of narators and so on. This is practically impossible situation for proving a claim. This is why there is no possibility of anyone ever being able to prove anything about islam or any other allegedly divine religion. It is because if you cannot prove the reliability of original sources of islam then you cannot trust anything that is attributed to these sources.

Another point to note is the so called miraculous nature of the quranic text. The disputes that arose during the collection of the quran clearly show that one could not know just from the text that it is the quranic text or not. This is why people could not distinguish what was the quran and what was not the quran. The burning of the variant qurans by uthman is proof of the fact that the quranic text is not miraculous because if it was such unique, such messing up would not and could not have occurred. If something is said to be unique then it would stand out automatically leaving no room for being mixed up. If we have a situation whereby a shining diamond is mixed up in the pebbles, we would have no problem in picking it out, would we?

Since the problems arose regarding the quranic text during its collection is a proof indeed that the quran is not the word of god. Moreover, if a muslim scholar does not know the quran by heart and we give him two verses, one from the quran and other recontructed, he would not be able to tell the difference. This is why when a hafiz of the quran recites the quran from his memory during traweeh(=extra part of night prayer during the month of ramadhan) and gets stuck somewhere in his recitation and there is no other hafiz(=the person who has comitted the whole quran to his memory) around but only ulema(=muslim scholars) they cannot correct him. It is just muslim imagination that the quran is miraculous and it is not their own fault but so they are indoctrinated by their ulema and mushaaikh=religious teachers.

Thus my critical examination of islamic sources leads me to conclude that islam has no basis whatsoever as a religion appointed by an almighty God.

[Alvy007]

Islam means peace.

Are u a Muslim or not.If u r how could u ask this silly questions.

[Mughal]

http://www.itshappening.com/showthread.php?t=69220&page=1

[SpliffVortex]

Islam means peace.

Are u a Muslim or not.If u r how could u ask this silly questions.Billy Joel Lyrics (http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/billyjoellyrics/index.html)



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Saturday night and you're still hangin' around
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Like to find a little hole in the ground
For a while

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It's just like some pornographic magazine
And you smile

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Your sister's gone out. She's on a date
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For that call

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After all

But Captain Jack will get you high tonight
And take you to your special island
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Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
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They've just found your father in the swimming pool
And you guess you won't be going back to school
Anymore...

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And take you to your special island
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Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
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And that's too long...

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And take you to your special island
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Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
Yeah, Captain Jack will get you by tonight
Yeah, Captain Jack will get you by tonight