Do men repress rape instincts?

[Keramptha]

well....? , i am wondering, with all the testosterone.

[hippiewise]

wow, heavy question. i was a rape counselor for more than 15 years. first off rape has nothing to do with sex, it is a control and abuse method used to dominate the victim. but i would love to hear some responses to this great question, very interesting. there is so much date rape here in california, especially in the college towns., i contribute that to too much alcohol and "date" rape drugs being used and the macho attitude at many of the fraternity parties.
hippiewise angel

[TheMadcapSyd]

I think I can safely say 95% or so of men don't need to repress any rape instincts.

[Keramptha]

Thanks for the replies, i wasnt nessercairly reffering to the control or victim / psychological aspect.. i was reffering to the sexual desire...

as in... 'i really want to fuck her..maybe i could use physical force...'

[toolmaggot]

I try to repress rape instincts.

[Keramptha]

yeah so do i. but im trying to find out if men do. ssshhh


hippie wise, rape counselor....eeek..... thats heavy.

[Alternative_Thinker]

I actually don't have any rape instincts. I don't believe in using physical force to have sex with somebody. I believe in the mutual enjoyment.

[Hawk]

Well i dont think i would call it rape but i do sometimes see a woman and think to myself i would love to just walk up to her and bend her over and have my way with her. not in a domanating kind of way but in a desire way. I just think that its natural to want something you cant have. i would never act on a thought like that and deep down i dont even think i could but the desire is there. i hope this didnt sound to mixed up its hard to explain it.

[dangermoose]

men repress the desire to just grab womens boobs, crotches, and asses perhaps but to jsut grab and fuck i don't think really needs repression. i think most men wanna fuck most women, but wouldnt want to fuck them if they didnt want to get fucked...most men want the women to want to fuck them
well...thats the way i see it....

[high_down_under]

I actually don't have any rape instincts. I don't believe in using physical force to have sex with somebody. I believe in the mutual enjoyment.
well said [applauds]...i think thats what every girl/woman wants to hear
how old r u anyway?

[Alternative_Thinker]

Thanks for applauding. *bows*

Well, I'm 29.

[Wicked Penetration]

well....? , i am wondering, with all the testosterone.
In a word - yes. I'm as nice a guy as you'll find, I'll never do that to a girl - EVER, but I've thought about it. Especially once when this one chick was being an absolute *BITCH* to me, I thought about it.

But the difference between this, same as murder or stealing, etc. is that people who are "right" in the head have a switch that tells them what's right and what's wrong. So the moment I thought about it, that switch turned on and said "Bad boy! Don't even think about that." while on a rapist/murderer/etc. they lack said switch.

[lakshen]

meh I've thought about it a few times, but can't even think of hurting a woman without feeling bad, I'm mostly just repressing killer instincts :D

[parnell]

well said [applauds]...i think thats what every girl/woman wants to hear
how old r u anyway? Exactly most women want to believe in bullshit...

When I bone a girl then she'll know all about it ... great sex , hot sex is athletic sex , occassionally forceful sex. The guy who said that he sometimes thinks of bending over a hot chic he sees and just laying into her without saying a word - spot on. I've done this many times in a relationship

To say that rape has nothing to do with sex is so stooopid ... it's not a black and white thing , it's abuse sure , but I've seen so many mammals basically rape each other being raised on a farm an' all - u ever see ducks fuck ? UNREAL!

To put a final spin on my comments I worked as a bouncer for 2 years , have been groped SHEDLOADS of times by women without consent (or mutual interest because last thing I want/need is a chic who'd do that) and am totally into making women scream in pleasure not pain (which is why I've no interest in anal)

My ex gf put it well , "I like the way you work me over"... needless to say we spent more time screwin that talkin.

[Biggen]

Hmmmm....sometime bouncer, steroid advocate, farm animal sex and a barely controlled rape instinct...and you're the worlds' greatest lover on top of all this.


You're all man Parnell, all man.

Something tells me you like NASCAR and Toby Kieth, as well.

[parnell]

Hmmmm....sometime bouncer, steroid advocate, farm animal sex and a barely controlled rape instinct...and you're the worlds' greatest lover on top of all this.


You're all man Parnell, all man.

Something tells me you like NASCAR and Toby Kieth, as well.
LMAO ... ur from Ohio and you're calling me a redneck ???

I live in Munich Germany for the last 3 years , born in Ireland ... got two degrees . I'm hardly a steroid ADVOCATE - I dabbled in the field ... that goes with playing college rugby.

I've never seen a NASCAR race but I'm sure you could tell me all about that huh Clarence ?

Nice piece of post stalking however...

[Biggen]

LMAO ... ur from Ohio and you're calling me a redneck ???

I live in Munich Germany for the last 3 years , born in Ireland ... got two degrees . I'm hardly a steroid ADVOCATE - I dabbled in the field ... that goes with playing college rugby.

I've never seen a NASCAR race but I'm sure you could tell me all about that huh Clarence ?

Nice piece of post stalking however...
Yeah...Ohio is known for it's redneck population.:rolleyes:

You've used roids...you made it a point to argue for them rather than against.

NASCAR is ignorant...I live in Ohio, not Tennessee. Ohio is not a southern state Mr. Geography.

I read various threads...why am I a stalker?

I'll win every pissing match you care to get into. Got any other dumbass points to make?

[parnell]

Yeah...Ohio is known for it's redneck population.:rolleyes:

You've used roids...you made it a point to argue for them rather than against.

NASCAR is ignorant...I live in Ohio, not Tennessee. Ohio is not a southern state Mr. Geography.

I read various threads...why am I a stalker?

I'll win every pissing match you care to get into. Got any other dumbass points to make?
Ohio:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/prez.main/index.html

Where did i argue FOR roids ? I said I'd used them and that I did not experience negative sexual effects as a result of that usage. That is an observation , not a position (which is grounds for advocacy). How far did you get in school?

You have misrepresented various posts of mine (not made in this thread so presumably you looked for them - stalker) in you opening gambit. Where in my posts did I say I was the worlds' greatest lover or did you just pull that out of your ass as well.

[Megara]

oh god, as if red states have a monopoly on rednecks..there are plenty of fucking rednecks in blue states and other countries.

[Biggen]

Ohio:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/prez.main/index.html

Where did i argue FOR roids ? I said I'd used them and that I did not experience negative sexual effects as a result of that usage. That is an observation , not a position (which is grounds for advocacy). How far did you get in school?

You have misrepresented various posts of mine (not made in this thread so presumably you looked for them - stalker) in you opening gambit. Where in my posts did I say I was the worlds' greatest lover or did you just pull that out of your ass as well.
Ohio went for Bush...so did most states, genious. You have confused politics with geography, Mr. "I have two degrees". I'm guessing they're not in either of those fields.

You might want to read your own posts more closely. If you aren't pro steroids...then what are you? Get off the fence.

I'm on the same website as you...I'm bound to see your posts. If I was "stalking" you...I'd just PM you and bitch.

You're right, World's Greatest you are not...I was overly generous in my assessment., so I pulled it out of my ass.

[Biggen]

And...we are off topic.


Rape sucks. Enough said.

[parnell]

Ohio went for Bush...so did most states, genious. You have confused politics with geography, Mr. "I have two degrees". I'm guessing they're not in either of those fields.

You might want to read your own posts more closely. If you aren't pro steroids...then what are you? Get off the fence.

I'm on the same website as you...I'm bound to see your posts. If I was "stalking" you...I'd just PM you and bitch.

You're right, World's Greatest you are not...I was overly generous in my assessment., so I pulled it out of my ass.
Beautiful .... Pwned on a tangent you created and now you want out...

From a simple google search:
"Comin' 'Cross the Ohio River

There was a Kentucky redneck and an Ohio buckeye, fishing on their respective sides of the Ohio river. Just as soon as the redneck put his line in the water, he slung a fish onto the bank, and the buckeye was catching nothing, so he yelled across to the redneck, ''Buddy, I'd sure like to be on your side of the river!''

''Aight, tell ya whut, I'll shine my flashlight 'cross this river, and you can walk across this little beam of light!'' the redneck yelled back.

The buckeye replied, ''Hain't no way, buddy. I know you think I'm a fool! When I get halfway 'cross, you'll turn your flashlight off!''

On roids - is a smoker "pro-smoking" ? Not neccessarily - but I'm experienced - and no doubt more knowledgeable than you on the topic. Your failure to produce a single source to back up your "pro roid" or your "great lover" accusation demonstrates how laughable you are.

Rape is a terrible thing - of that there is no doubt - which is not the subject of this thread either - it's the existence of an INSTINCT to rape.

[Dudley Do Right]

I'm a big time NASCAR fan, (Rock on Tony Stewart a.k.a. Smoke) and that doesn't make me a redneck, I just have that need for speed, but you guys are way off base and the purpose of this thread, (dumb fucks). Healthy males always have the desire to fornicate, it’s in the jeans, oops the Genes and there’s always that hidden desire of conquest, no not rape, just to conquer….Yes, there is much rape in the animal kingdom, the lower species just get on with it, where we as humans have the control to quench that urge or desire….It’s the difference between right and wrong, if we were fortunate enough to have upright parents, we have been taught this from the cradle….Unfortunately, some are lacking this upbringing or lacking that internal switch, also found in the genes….These are the rapists, the child molesters and the fucking priests….We as normal males, know that there is a look, but don’t touch policy, unless there is mutual agreement.…I have never forced myself on any woman, No, Means, No!….Behind every woman, there’s a man checking out her ass and that’s healthy, the urge for procreation, we can’t help it, it’s primal, but to act or not to act that should be the question. :)

[Biggen]

Beautiful .... Pwned on a tangent you created and now you want out...

From a simple google search:
"Comin' 'Cross the Ohio River

There was a Kentucky redneck and an Ohio buckeye, fishing on their respective sides of the Ohio river. Just as soon as the redneck put his line in the water, he slung a fish onto the bank, and the buckeye was catching nothing, so he yelled across to the redneck, ''Buddy, I'd sure like to be on your side of the river!''

''Aight, tell ya whut, I'll shine my flashlight 'cross this river, and you can walk across this little beam of light!'' the redneck yelled back.

The buckeye replied, ''Hain't no way, buddy. I know you think I'm a fool! When I get halfway 'cross, you'll turn your flashlight off!''

On roids - is a smoker "pro-smoking" ? Not neccessarily - but I'm experienced - and no doubt more knowledgeable than you on the topic. Your failure to produce a single source to back up your "pro roid" or your "great lover" accusation demonstrates how laughable you are.

Rape is a terrible thing - of that there is no doubt - which is not the subject of this thread either - it's the existence of an INSTINCT to rape.
Oh...ZING!!

Keep it coming...I'm laughing my ass off.

[SillyBird]

This sure is stereotyping all men as aggresive rapists. The men that rape have something deep down inside them that has nothing to do with their penis.

[Dudley Do Right]

Tut, Tut, gentlemen, and I use that term lightly. The original question is, ”Do men repress rape instincts?” Why must we argue amongst our selves? We all know that we’re dogs. What more can I say?

[parnell]

This sure is stereotyping all men as aggresive rapists. The men that rape have something deep down inside them that has nothing to do with their penis.
That IS a stereotype .... rape i.e. intercourse without consent happens all the time ... I'd guess 95% is not the aggravated sexual assault that people imagine is rape - most of it happens with alcohol and other drugs too... I even read in "Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley" - Elvis was a rapist (former gf kinda had an Elvis thing).

[SillyBird]

Yeah, I'm an Elvis freak as well, so I've read about that.

I'm a woman but I feel that we have too much power when it comes to this. Too many women have cried rape to have trust in our criminal system anymore. I know a girl who broke up with her boyfriend and cried rape because he moved on to another girl too quick. Rape is the unwilling insertion of a penis in a vagina not a way to get back at someone.

[Dudley Do Right]

This sure is stereotyping all men as aggresive rapists. The men that rape have something deep down inside them that has nothing to do with their penis.

Did you read my post? Aggressive rapists, I think not. Where did you come with that allegation, the posts I’ve read have nothing to do with stereotypes. I defiantly take offence to that!

[SillyBird]

This is not in anyway directed at you or anyone else on here. I feel just this whole post is stereotyping men. It is just directed at the first post that asked about men having to hold back rape instincts. It insinuates that all men have an inner rapist inside them. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.

[Dudley Do Right]

Yeah, I'm an Elvis freak as well, so I've read about that.

I'm a woman but I feel that we have too much power when it comes to this. Too many women have cried rape to have trust in our criminal system anymore. I know a girl who broke up with her boyfriend and cried rape because he moved on to another girl too quick. Rape is the unwilling insertion of a penis in a vagina not a way to get back at someone.
I must agree with you on that aspect, but on the other hand when a woman cries rape all too often she is ignored, i.e. "Oh, she's always been easy for other guys, I thought she would go along with it for me," Bullshit....Yes, many women do cry wolf, but there are those that are not heard or listened to. What happens to them? They must live with this invasion for the rest of there lives and the trust issue is never regained, what then?

[parnell]

This is not in anyway directed at you or anyone else on here. I feel just this whole post is stereotyping men. It is just directed at the first post that asked about men having to hold back rape instincts. It insinuates that all men have an inner rapist inside them. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. I understood that completely ... you seem like someone who believes in true equality - which favours neither men NOR women. Respect to you because of that.

[Dudley Do Right]

This is not in anyway directed at you or anyone else on here. I feel just this whole post is stereotyping men. It is just directed at the first post that asked about men having to hold back rape instincts. It insinuates that all men have an inner rapist inside them. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
No offence taken, I'm just saying that the primal urge is always there with we the male species. The only difference is, we as normal human males have a choice to act or not to act.:)

[SillyBird]

The women who cry rape give the real victims less credibility. I think it's really sad. My sister was kidnapped when she was 16 and the charges against the guy who dropped because she made it "seem" like she was open to going away with him only because he was a friend. The gun held to her head and the stalking that led to this event had nothing to do with. It goes many ways.

[Dudley Do Right]

This is not in anyway directed at you or anyone else on here. I feel just this whole post is stereotyping men. It is just directed at the first post that asked about men having to hold back rape instincts. It insinuates that all men have an inner rapist inside them. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
I sincerly believe that all men do have that urge or instinct. It's a matter of choice after that. Do you understand where I'm comming from?:)

[SillyBird]

Of course I do. You're a man and certainly know better than I do.

[Dudley Do Right]

The women who cry rape give the real victims less credibility. I think it's really sad. My sister was kidnapped when she was 16 and the charges against the guy who dropped because she made it "seem" like she was open to going away with him only because he was a friend. The gun held to her head and the stalking that led to this event had nothing to do with. It goes many ways.
You're correct again, much less credibility. I'm saddened to hear of your sister’s plight. If a person is scared enough, they will say anything, just to make the pain stop.:(

[Alternative_Thinker]

I sincerly believe that all men do have that urge or instinct. It's a matter of choice after that. Do you understand where I'm comming from?:)
And I sincerely believe NOT all men have such urges or instincts, because I for one don't.

[zendude]

i'm with A_T on this one, all men don't have the urge to rape. i've never felt the urge to do anything like that to any woman and can't see that changing no matter what comes about in my life. just a few twisted and tormented souls out that feel the need to dominate another person through sex.

[Green]

well....? , i am wondering, with all the testosterone.
GODDAMN FEMINIST BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

It is an insult to your intelligence and to humanity to assume that men have rape "instincts". An example of an instinct is "People look at the ground while walking" or "people put their harms out in front of them when they fall forward", those are INSTINCTS. How can you, shamelessly, assert that rape is an instinct? RAPE IS NOT AN INSTINCT! DOMINATION IS NOT AN INSTINCT! I agree that rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is an assertion of power, and it is not gender related, no matter how much you would like to believe.

Men have the urge to have sex with women, but men do not have the urge to "dominate" women. There are exceptions, and they need counselling, but it is not a trait of males in general.

Nature didn't intend anything more than for us to live like monkeys, but we were made too smart. The fact that in almost all cultures that developed around the word were patriachal is not a result of an "Instinct". I believe they delevoped that way for a few reasons

1. The gender roles set up by society, where in most cases the men went out and worked, and the women stayed back at the camp and did other work, like raising children, and whatnot.
2. The lack of women was a major contributor. Women made up about 35% of the worlds population during the time of the roman empire.
3. Women are physically different than men, and that led to opprotunistic sexism. I don't know why, but I'm sure there were many instances when it would have been profitable to fabricate allegorys of woman behavior and claim they show a instablity in some area of society.

I don't not have to supress "Rape Instincts". I know you may think its crazy, men don't spend every second of every day thinking of ways to get in a womans pants.

I can't believe all this propaganda.

I believe it will fade away as women enter into the workforce and men start to stay at home, it might take a hundred or twohundred years to happen, but after ages of gender roles that doesn't suprise me.

[Alternative_Thinker]

Well, it's funny how, in some species, the male is the dominating figure while, in others, the female has more power. When we look at our own species, I think "domination" is still an instinct in human males at least to a certain degree. It gets a little off-topic getting into this since it won't really have anything to do with "rape" then.

"Domination" and "rape" can be two completely different things, and ARE in essense. To the male of many species, domination is simply a way of life. The female accepts that, and let's the male "dominate" over her. To the female, it's the way things are, too. That's how they've kept their species alive. Human males can also "dominate" without actually cause any harm. The whole BDSM thing is an example. Most people who are into that stuff actually are very careful as to not hurt their partners. And the rule, according to someone who is actually into it, is that the both parties be willing to participate, and that no purposely harming anyone involved.

"Rape" is a different territory. It involves unwillingness and physical, and/or emotional harm on the part of the receiving end. This isn't quite the display of "domination" as in the above-stated format, but is often a display of "sadism". A "sadist" finds joy in seeing pain and suffering in the expressions of others. That's what a sadist craves, and that's what he needs to get himself off. You can see it gets way more serious and alarming than some friendly rough sex sessions.

So we essentially wouldn't and/or shouldn't have any rape "instincts", unless one instinctively wants to hurt others on the regular basis... In which case, it would be a good idea for one to get professional counselling.

[Dudley Do Right]

I have to disagree with both Alternative Thinker and Zendude….I don't think that there is a man out there that hasn't mentally undressed a woman or fantasized about how they would "Make Love" to them at some point in their life….You noticed that I said "Make Love," not just "Fuck" them….This is defiantly a form of "Mental Rape," but in a normal male, it just isn’t acted upon….If you say that you haven’t then you’re in total denial….It stems from the XY chromosome inherited from early man, when men took women by force out of pure lust….However, this gene through Eons of natural selection, has been repressed except in a few men where it becomes a dominant factor, let’s call it the "Bad Gene."…Most of us have been raised with a certain code of morality, that society just doesn’t except behavior like this or there will be consequences to face if this boundary is over-stepped….Think about it, nobody is a Saint. "Just for the record, I have not, nor will I ever, force myself upon any woman at anytime."

P.S.
Look at what happens in war, so many atrocities occur, i.e. "Legal Sanctioned
Murder, Pillaging and yes, Rape," that normal males would never act upon if in other circumstances….I’m not saying all normal males commit these wrong doings, but when one faces death, a certain other than normal thinking takes over, let’s call it the, "Primal Will To Survive." If you haven’t been there, don’t be too quick to judge, because you’re not qualified.

[Alternative_Thinker]

Umm, DDR... What you're saying reminds me so much of "thought crime". What you're referring to as "mental rape" still sounds perfectly consensual, especially since you're talking about "making love", if you ask me.

If you're talking fantasies, I'm sure you'll recognize the difference between the natures of "mental rape"(as you put it) and "erotic/romantic" fantasies. In a rape fantasy, someone is still getting raped, if inside the head of whoever is doing the fantasizing exclusively. Whoever's fantasizing this is seeing inside his/her head the pained expression in the face of their "victim", so to speak. There is no mutual enjoyment there even when everything is taking place within somebody's head. It doesn't even come close to fantasizing about a romantic night by the fire with someone you're attracted to. In this kind of fantasy, mutual enjoyment is one of the emphasized points since your theoretical partner would also be willing.

Think about it this way... If what you're saying is true, then we male posters here are all "mental rapists", mentally raping all these wonderful ladies who come to Hip Forums. And we are also victims because people may fantasizing about us, too. I'm sorry, but that theory doesn't sound sensible at all. It sounds to me like you're taking the otherwise totally harmless(meaning "NON-rape", if you will) things and totally twisting and distorting them, and linking the ruined, disgraced admirations with something negative. Am I the only one who find it to be too big a leap?

As for the mention of war times, I'll say this because it's what seems to me... If one had to rape somebody during those times because one's life was at stake, then one was also a victim of rape. Whoever one raped may not have wanted it, but neither did the party who did the raping in such a case since one was also forced. Only, one wasn't raped by the second party, but by the third who did the ordering.

[ihmurria]

….You noticed that I said "Make Love," not just "Fuck" them….This is defiantly a form of "Mental Rape," ...



well, damn, then I've mentally raped an awful lot of people. Fantasizing is not mentally raping someone, it's just fantasizing.


as for instincts n such, well, a lot of us keep ourselves in check. I don't hit customers because they piss me off, I don't maul a guy just because I find him attractive. I wouldn't go so far as to call any of that rape instincts, just urges... big difference. And assuming that cave men used to do women purely from lust and whether they wanted or not is a huge assumption - there is no archaeological evidence to suggest that, just our assumptions about the past, completely ungrounded in fact (I forget who said that, just there is NO evidence to suggest that prehistoric men raped women willynilly)

[Dudley Do Right]

You just don't get, move on you can be assured that I am.

[hippypaul]

As has been said above rape is a crime of violence not a sex crime. The patients who I have taken care of who were rapists (in for the 30 day court exam) both hated and feared women. As a male, I look at many women and imagine how it would to be in bed with them. However, I think that is very different from rape. Also according to the women I have talked to, they do the same sort of thing. I do not believe any normal male has a "rape instinct"
However, I think a lot of men carry around a lot of mental bullshit about how they are better than women are and that this can lead to some coercive behavior. "Hell I just spent 50 bucks; you had better give me some." But I think that kind of shit is a matter of nurture not nature.

[Keramptha]

very interesting stuff here..mainly from the older men,..who seem more realistic about primal stuff. i was especially interested in the coercive behaviour from nuturing. I'm not at all categorising men as rapists! I know i have difficulty with sexual desire..and i was just wondering what its like to be a man in that arena.

[Hippievixen]

i think most men wanna fuck most women, but wouldnt want to fuck them if they didnt want to get fucked...most men want the women to want to fuck them
well...thats the way i see it....
*gigggles*

wow, i'm confused :p

[cbrmale]

I think older men are more in tune with their masculinity. And masculinity is nothing to be ashamed of. It is a good thing, we like it and many women like men who are real men.

Sexual desire? Well, the day after having sex, I feel this low level background noise, something in my psyche reminding me that is been a whole day... The second day after sex, and the noise is louder, my thoughts are drifting, I notice girls in the street more, I feel an urge. Day three, and the tension is like a rubber band that is wound too tight. You feel it, it dominates you and your mood. You need sex. And then, when you do, it feels like a ten-tonne weight has been lifted from your shoulder. In the arms of your lover, everything is right with the world. You are at peace and nothing can spoil it. Until tomorrow, and the cycle starts all over again...

I have sex with my wife every two or (at the most) three days. And every day on weekends and holidays. It keeps me calm, it keeps me sane, it keeps me happy. Makes my wife happy too!


very interesting stuff here..mainly from the older men,..who seem more realistic about primal stuff. i was especially interested in the coercive behaviour from nuturing. I'm not at all categorising men as rapists! I know i have difficulty with sexual desire..and i was just wondering what its like to be a man in that arena.

[ArmOutsideIn]

violence has nothing to do with sex
and when it does, it's in the mind of a mentally ill person
Some people like violent sex...
It doesn't mean they're mentally ill, it's just a matter of preference.

[rg paddler]

RAPE IS NOT AN INSTINCT! DOMINATION IS NOT AN INSTINCT! I agree that rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is an assertion of power, and it is not gender related, no matter how much you would like to believe.

This guy is talking sense.It is,however I think,part of man's instinct to be ruthless.Like has there ever been a time in history when there WASN't a war going on somwhere? But I've come to the conclusion thats it's wrong to think that violence is all down to men,because it is almost like the mans roll to protect his wife/family - and thats just the way it is.I've found out along the way that if you don't fight back sometimes you will just get walked over - so yeah it's good - if you find other morally acceptable ways to express anger - I don't know through sport or music or anything that doesn't actually harm anyone else,but still be able to defend yourself.So for example you can be ruthless say,in finance - getting a deal but when you find your girlfriend in bed with another guy - you don't ACTUALLY go apeshit and kill somebody - you control your anger,and learn to think 'ok - I'm better than that.I don't need her'.I think rape is committed by people who are mentally ill - who don't know how to control their own thoughts and emotions,or lust.I used to live with a mother of two,who had strange sexual habits - she often wanted me to be quite rough with her which I found sometimes 'unnatural'.Later on,she told me that she had been sexually abused by her father as a child.There was a connection there somwhere but to be honest,it was too complex for me - though I did try and understand.Anyway - may the force be with you!

[BoozeJockey]

To be honest, yes i believe i do have a "rape instinct" if you can call it that. Actually i don't know if it's a rape instinct. What happens is i will see/think about/whatever a hot girl and i'll want to do her so bad, and i just think "i want to rip her clothes off and fuck her right now whether she wants it or not." Every guy that i've been close enough to ask has confirmed that they too do feel this instinct.

As others have said though, the thing is that i know better than to actually do that. I have never used force or strength to make a girl do anything sexual(anything at all actually). As a matter of fact, i do know of a guy who used force (he's a 275 lb guy) to make girls have sex with him, and it completely disturbs, disgusts, and downright angers me. When i found out about this guy using force it actually ruined my whole night, i was that angry about it.

I don't care what you guys say about me, call me messed up or whatever else you probably will, but i'm just sharing the honest truth. Also "green" or whatever your name is, you can't really comment on this subject becase you are only 15...I don't believe this instinct really came out in me until i was more physically mature (19-20 years old). There is probably a reason that the instinct didn't come out till then - at 19-20 i was starting to hit my physical prime. It only makes sense that instinct would wait until we are in our physical prime to tell us to use our physical force/prowess to obtain whatever we can.

Just my view on the subject, hope i added something.

[hummblebee]

coming across this conversation reminded me of a destubing talk I had with a guy I once knew... he had worked with my bf a little, and we invited him over to hang out one evening. Somehow, our conversation turned political, and on to the subject of gay rights. this guy just kept harping on the fact that he was "uncomfortable" around gay people, he didn't want them around his kids, he didn't want them in his locker room. It was the locker room thing that bugged me. basically, his view of the whole thing was that if a gay guy saw any man naked, all bets were off and the gay guy, being and uncontrolable pervert (i guess this was how he saw things) would not be able to resist.

When he told me this view on things, I turned it around on him. I said "You're straight. You're a married man who obviously likes women. are you telling me that if you found any woman attractive, and you were given the chance to do it, you would have sex with her - even against her will?"

His answer? "of course! I'm a man!"

At this point in the conversation, I flipped out, kicked him out of the house and never saw him again. My boyfriend totally backed me up, told the guy he was a creep and we didn't trust him. For all I know he's a serial rapist.

But let me be clear. I do not think this guy is "normal" at all. I think most men, even ones who enjoy domination, want the woman they'e with to enjoy it. Hell, on the occasions my love and I indulge in "kinky" stuff that some people might consider violent, he can't help asking if I'm okay and telling me he loves me about a million times.

[hippypaul]

coming across this conversation reminded me of a destubing talk I had with a guy I once knew... he had worked with my bf a little, and we invited him over to hang out one evening. Somehow, our conversation turned political, and on to the subject of gay rights. this guy just kept harping on the fact that he was "uncomfortable" around gay people, he didn't want them around his kids, he didn't want them in his locker room. It was the locker room thing that bugged me. basically, his view of the whole thing was that if a gay guy saw any man naked, all bets were off and the gay guy, being and uncontrolable pervert (i guess this was how he saw things) would not be able to resist.

When he told me this view on things, I turned it around on him. I said "You're straight. You're a married man who obviously likes women. are you telling me that if you found any woman attractive, and you were given the chance to do it, you would have sex with her - even against her will?"

His answer? "of course! I'm a man!"

At this point in the conversation, I flipped out, kicked him out of the house and never saw him again. My boyfriend totally backed me up, told the guy he was a creep and we didn't trust him. For all I know he's a serial rapist.

But let me be clear. I do not think this guy is "normal" at all. I think most men, even ones who enjoy domination, want the woman they'e with to enjoy it. Hell, on the occasions my love and I indulge in "kinky" stuff that some people might consider violent, he can't help asking if I'm okay and telling me he loves me about a million times.
There is nothing normal about one person having sex when two or more people are there. It is a form of public masturbation at its best and a complete denial of another person as a human being at its worst.

[MaryJane69]

Hmm.. quite the loaded question.

Natural instincts would be to take as many women as you can and spread your seed.

It'd be nice to think we were more civilized than that, but it is doubtful.

I think men do have instincts to dominate and overpower, but whether or not these instincts ever come to mind is another thing. I am not a man, I have no idea.

I have had experience with men who would get a girl drunk just to fuck her, or do things equally as terrible. So yes, I think many men do have this desire to rape.

But.... men who are doing this have mental problems. Decent men want a women to have sex with them because they want to. Not because they were forced to. Anyone with who rapes is mentally ill.

And having violent sex or rape play is not the same thing. Two consenting adults who are having consensual sex is a whole other ballgame. I get turned on by it, but only in a safe situation with my longtime love.

I will be the first female to admit this: Sometimes I'll see a gorgeous guy and just think 'wow, i'd love for him to take me right now and have his way with me'. And yes, it turns me on. Big time. So I can see how men have this same desire. BUT MOST MEN HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO KNOW IT IS A FANTASY!! And never act it out.;

[liguana]

I fantasize about rape, on both ends, cum to think of it, I rape my partner every time he goes down on me...hmmmm, damn good thing I'm not a man :)

[De Sade]

I have quite a taste for RAPE!

Ravinous Ass & Pussy Eating! :X

[beenbogs]

faggots

[BoozeJockey]

Some of you are right and wrong at the same time....

Yes, guys do want the girls they do it with to enjoy it too....This is the learned, socially acceptable layer.

But, deep down eventually you just want to do a girl whether she wants it or not and just have no association with her other than doing her...That's the primal instinct layer that IS there, whether guys will admit it or not.

There's some Freudian terminology that can be thrown in there, i think the primal instinct layer is called the "Id" but i'm not totally sure, psychology is not my area of expertise.

[whereami]

That's right,I'm resurrecting this mutherfucker!!! :P

I think an important point that should be brought up is how many women on this forum alone have admitted having a rape fantasy & gotten themselves off on it.

[misterrain]

This whole argument transcends the most militant feminism and enters the realm of ugly bitterness. If someone actually cares about someone else, then they don't feel any urges to rape them... but I suppose a lot of it depends on how much respect there is in the relationship.

[zeppelin kid]

Well i dont think i would call it rape but i do sometimes see a woman and think to myself i would love to just walk up to her and bend her over and have my way with her. not in a domanating kind of way but in a desire way. I just think that its natural to want something you cant have. i would never act on a thought like that and deep down i dont even think i could but the desire is there. i hope this didnt sound to mixed up its hard to explain it.Thats awesome, finally a guy is telling the truth. Come on now, men always had that instinct but common sense and a conscious will stop those thoughts.

[STON3R]

Yes, as a young boy i had fantisies of going up 2 random women and havin sex with them. I cant really explain what i was thinking, I was just a horny 13 yr old. I never have any of those fantasies anymore. I stoped thinking like that along timeago. i think it happened when i started having sexual experiences with girls my age, i started looking at girls in different ways. Not just one person receiving pleasure but the idea of the two people pleasureing eachother is somthing that gets me off now

[His Eden]

If you take any person, be it man or woman, and change their environment drastically, what is "instinctual" will change. Ex; If you deprive an avid none hunter of food for long enough but leave a gun and field of deer for him to watch he will eventually kill his own food. People will do pretty much anything to survive, and procreation is a means of survival.

Basically what I am trying to say is that most men in todays society have no desire to rape, but if you made his environment extreme enough it becomes a possibilty.

[Libertine]

Although most women would NOT want such an experience in reality, many of them have rape fantasies.

I've never really fantasized about raping someone, but I have fantasized about some forbidden act, such as someone's wife giving themselves up, naked for my cock, and ravaging them.

[MaccaByrd]

Sometimes it's hard not to assume that every other guy is a potential rapist. It is such a common crime. It happens so often and is carried out by the most normal of men. I don't think that all men secretly feel the desire to rape a woman (although, based on a couple of the responses here so far, I do worry) but I wonder how many can truly understand what the fear of such a thing feels like. I think that perhaps the men who work to stop rape and feel vehemently against it are fueled by anger that someone of their 'species' (so to speak) abused their power and hurt someone these guys feel like they're supposed to protect.

They obviously know it's wrong but by the way some serial rapists describe their actions, it's seen more comparable to robbery than something that will haunt a person forever, as though a quick apology will make it all better. Sometimes after I see a movie in which a rape occurs, I am completely turned off the idea of sex for a while - men are so lucky that sex can't be a scary experience for them... obviously there are men who were sexually abused as a child and that will stay with them for life but look who commits most of those crimes.

Would there be even more rapes if it wasn't for it being labeled as 'wrong'? Can the men who would never commit such an atrocity still sympathize with those who have? I am not a man-hater in the least but I do ponder a lot of things and since I am not a man, nor will I ever be one, I'm often curious of how the mindsets of both sexes differ. I am cautious when I am out and about, like everyone should be, but I think I can safely say that most of the men I know are not capable of rape. I think this is an interesting discussion and I hope no one's offended by it. It's up to us all to enlighten the rest as to what goes on inside the heads of regular people.

[Malapascua]

I think an important point that should be brought up is how many women on this forum alone have admitted having a rape fantasy & gotten themselves off on it.Great question, but I'm not sure it belongs in this thread.

And a rape fantacy is just that, a fantasy.
Sort of like asking straight guy if he ever had a gay fantacy and got off?
Again, just a fantacy.

[GermanLoveMachine]

I think you allways have to look at the two sides of the medal ! I dont want to support people who rape women and I personally would NEVER do it. But there are some girls that run around and talk and act and look like really prostitutes, butwhen you try to talk to them they just grin at you and show you their middlefinger ! And then leave you alone with a boner in your pants and even your balls hurt for the rest of the day when you think of them !!! Even in such a situation I would NOT rape a woman, but I think its easy to imagine why other people would !

[RabC]

I actually don't have any rape instincts. I don't believe in using physical force to have sex with somebody. I believe in the mutual enjoyment.
I think you´re failing to differentiate between instinct and belief. You CAN´T control an instinct, the impulse I mean. But one can control one´s actions.

I´d say it´s instinctive for us (men AND women) to want sex. However, I believe it´s instinctive for a man to want to sleep with as many women as he can, to spread his seed. For a woman, it´s instinctive to look for a man with certain, desirable traits - what these are is debatable, and also to make herself look alluring to attract a man.

To answer the question, I have never, EVER felt the urge to rape. I think about sex all the time, every woman I meet I instantly assess. Some I find desirable and fantasise about, others not. But in a relationship ultimately, the woman´s the boss because her libido is lower than mine, and woman can seem to switch off their sex drive. Whilst with guys (certainly me) that´s impossible, but as I say I have never considered forcing myself - so I´m not sure it´s an instinct inherent in men.

[GermanLoveMachine]

well....? , i am wondering, with all the testosterone.
Sounds to me as if you think of testosterone as something negative - if this is true, you should consider that testosterone is not only the thing that makes us fight, but also the thing that makes us THINK ! Bigger balls, bigger brains ! Without testosterone we might still all be sitting at the fire in some cave....

[MaccaByrd]

I think you allways have to look at the two sides of the medal ! I dont want to support people who rape women and I personally would NEVER do it. But there are some girls that run around and talk and act and look like really prostitutes, butwhen you try to talk to them they just grin at you and show you their middlefinger ! And then leave you alone with a boner in your pants and even your balls hurt for the rest of the day when you think of them !!! Even in such a situation I would NOT rape a woman, but I think its easy to imagine why other people would !I'm sorry you feel this way but it's something I've thought about - how men get angry with women for 'teasing' them.

Well, we're sorry, but you have to remember that in a general sense men and women don't see sex in the exact same way simply because their bodies don't react to it in the same way. Women can get sexually frustrated after some time, but clearly not on the scale that some men do. If something leading up to sex is stopped in it's tracks, women are probably more able to bounce back whereas men, I hear, can actually find it painful.

So, in conclusion, I don't think most women mean to frustrate you and even if she did because it made her feel good, no woman is asking to be raped. So please try to remember that perspective makes all the difference and that men and women may not realize the motives of one another or what is running through the other's mind. It is just sad when one party has to pay the price for not knowing.

[GermanLoveMachine]

I'm sorry you feel this way but it's something I've thought about - how men get angry with women for 'teasing' them.

Well, we're sorry, but you have to remember that in a general sense men and women don't see sex in the exact same way simply because their bodies don't react to it in the same way. Women can get sexually frustrated after some time, but clearly not on the scale that some men do. If something leading up to sex is stopped in it's tracks, women are probably more able to bounce back whereas men, I hear, can actually find it painful.


Well, you heard right.... And in my opinion its not some sort of misunderstanding on the part of the girls, they just WANT to be evil (NOT speaking about you !)

[erzebet1961]

Not all women who are raped HAD IT COMING , or TEASED ....some were honestly RAPED and had no choice in the matter..I am pleased to hear you say you wouldnt do such a thing MR. GERMANLOVEMACHINE..

[GermanLoveMachine]

Not all women who are raped HAD IT COMING , or TEASED ....some were honestly RAPED and had no choice in the matter..I am pleased to hear you say you wouldnt do such a thing MR. GERMANLOVEMACHINE..
When talking about teasing I wasnt refering to you or any other woman on the forum, sorry if you understood it that way, and I do know that are woman that are raped without provoking their attacker in any way. But I know from my own experience that there definitely ARE women out there that act exactly as I described !

[erzebet1961]

Its cool, germanlovemachine, I knew you werent speaking about me..and I am sorry if you have run accross such ladies..but there are verry good ones in the world also...
find one of them

[GermanLoveMachine]

I DO know that there are good ones... Id even say most girls from the school where I went, although there were a few of the other sort there as well.... One girl who is studying Physics together with me... Unfortunately, beeing "good" offers no evolutionary advantage, so as a man you are attracted to bitches that show off their thongs and whoppers at every opportunity, even if you know very well that they have the character of a lavatory and the IQ of a housefly.... What Im gonna do about it, piss on Mr. Charles Darwins grave ? :(

[MaccaByrd]

NO woman 'has it coming' no matter what she does, but sure, there are some who are nasty people and want to hurt others.
Women want to be desired. I'm trying to be a psychologist here, but I think it may make them feel like they have some kind of power. Men have physical power so women may want to feel like they have some kind of emotional control in order to balance the scales with men. That's why, if you look at all these new music videos and ads, the men are talking and singing about having lots of women while the women are talking and singing about being desirable. Sometimes wanting to be wanted backfires, though.
It's just a theory.


When talking about teasing I wasnt refering to you or any other woman on the forum, sorry if you understood it that way, and I do know that are woman that are raped without provoking their attacker in any way. But I know from my own experience that there definitely ARE women out there that act exactly as I described !

[Sininabin]

i didn't read throught the whole thing, but i've talked about this before in true confessions

i knew it, that i wasn't the only one (note that the thread is in my past and so are most of the thoughts)

see it seems only logical that men have thoughts like that maybe some women to

i stated before that all men have those thoughts it is just a matter of self control, to whether or not anything happens

but to answer your question, i have been plaugued by those thoughts and i have repressed them, if you're interested what other thought about it go to true confessions(it should be in the top ten for most post/views), because there was a time when it was very close to my heart

[MaccaByrd]

By all means, tell the truth. But you're scaring me...



i didn't read throught the whole thing, but i've talked about this before in true confessions

i knew it, that i wasn't the only one (note that the thread is in my past and so are most of the thoughts)

see it seems only logical that men have thoughts like that maybe some women to

i stated before that all men have those thoughts it is just a matter of self control, to whether or not anything happens

but to answer your question, i have been plaugued by those thoughts and i have repressed them, if you're interested what other thought about it go to true confessions(it should be in the top ten for most post/views), because there was a time when it was very close to my heart

[Sininabin]

By all means, tell the truth. But you're scaring me...i don't really see what that scary, we all have inpulses that we ignore every day

people think of murder, theif, and rarely act on it. Knowing what other are thinking could be kind of unnerving, but the struggle goes on day by day, even if they choose not to acknowledge it

[MaccaByrd]

Actually, I've never considered murder. Surprise!


Thievery, well, I have fantastised about pulling off a victimless crime because, well, who doesn't want money? But it never reached the 'consideration' part of my brain, so I wouldn't say I had to repress anything. I don't have the guts or the resources.

Maybe we all repress horrible things. Maybe I'm just in denial. ;)


i don't really see what that scary, we all have inpulses that we ignore every day

people think of murder, theif, and rarely act on it. Knowing what other are thinking could be kind of unnerving, but the struggle goes on day by day, even if they choose not to acknowledge it

[Foxes_Den]

Thought is different from repression. Repressing is where you truly desire to act but are prevented by society and/or the thought of getting caught. No one can control their thoughts to that point.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to respond as this deserves at this moment, but I'll post a follow-up later.

[Beyond-the-Clouds]

I'd rather get raped.

[Cerebus]

Is mental torture as bad as physical? I'd say that it can be, for me Rape is just a label, it's just as easy (and probably happens more..) for a woman to rape a man's mind as it is for a man to physically rape a woman. You can make your minds up as to what is worse, both are appalling things to do. Although raping the mind is a lot easier to get away with.

Just for the record, i have never had to repress a rape instinct, cos i've never felt one. So i don't agree with the thread title.

[Sininabin]

Actually, I've never considered murder. Surprise!


Thievery, well, I have fantastised about pulling off a victimless crime because, well, who doesn't want money? But it never reached the 'consideration' part of my brain, so I wouldn't say I had to repress anything. I don't have the guts or the resources.

Maybe we all repress horrible things. Maybe I'm just in denial. ;) in afterthoughts i really realize that almost entirely those thoughts are behind me, and in large part becasue i guess when you've been intimate with someone, you think less about your personal pleasures, and more about the pleasure of pleasing other

you seem like a fine lady, and i wouldn't want you to meet good guys with the lurking idea of rape. Trust me, it is a long and winding path to drastic crimes like that so when it happens, note the pain that been had on both sides of the lines, rape i can't say cause i don't know all the cases, is extreme brought on by extreme conditions, similar to suicide (a long and dakr paths)

but from pic you look like someone who doesn't think horrible things http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Imagine11]

Mine aren't very strong, if at all. I have been asked to act it out with a g/f... but that is totally different, and completely fine in my opinion. I have myriad sexual thoughts, day in and day out. Rape is just not something I am interested in. If I could, for example, "get away with it", I still wouldn't be interested. I think it would be a *very* dark path to go down, and have karmic consequences into the next two or three lifetimes. Anyway, it just doesn't turn me on. The notion that all men have them is absurd. It's a justification used by men who have them.

Role playing is a blast though. I'd be into my woman pretending to control and force me, too. I like when she grabs my hair and pushes my face up against her during oral sex. I love it.

[underplay]

Forcing my gf and fucking her while she is mad and fighting me is insanely hot. However i would never rape somebody cause that is just fucked up.

[Sininabin]

Forcing my gf and fucking her while she is mad and fighting me is insanely hot. However i would never rape somebody cause that is just fucked up.raping someone in fantasy or gettting off on the idea means that you have rape related desires, the things that seems to stop people who fantasy, or act it out in safe enviroments is because you don't want to get in trouble, so then

Would rape a women if you wouldn't get in trouble?, or if she never remebers it? or both cases?

[underplay]

Thats not really true for everyone, but im sure its true for a small majority.

I think the male instincts carry a natural desire to force woman to have sex(we are civilized animals after all). However doing it with someone you don't even know(raping and hurting them, which is very fucked up) compared to a girlfriend who is ok with it and seeks the same desires, is completely different and doesn't really mean that just because you have rough sex you would ever rape someone.

But would i ever "rape" a woman if i were to not get in trouble? If it was my gf, yes(hell even if i was to get in trouble :) ) if it was someone else, never in a million years.

[MaccaByrd]

You would rape your girlfriend? If she wants you to do it, it's not rape. And in the animal kingdom, the female has to accept the male first.



Thats not really true for everyone, but im sure its true for a small majority.

I think the male instincts carry a natural desire to force woman to have sex(we are civilized animals after all). However doing it with someone you don't even know(raping and hurting them, which is very fucked up) compared to a girlfriend who is ok with it and seeks the same desires, is completely different and doesn't really mean that just because you have rough sex you would ever rape someone.

But would i ever "rape" a woman if i were to not get in trouble? If it was my gf, yes(hell even if i was to get in trouble :) ) if it was someone else, never in a million years.

[MaccaByrd]

That's right. I'm more of a sunshine and happy little elves kind of person. :p

but from pic you look like someone who doesn't think horrible things http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[underplay]

I'm going to fuck her whether she wants to or not, and not all animals wait for the female to accept the male. There are some that will force the female.

[mushroomherb]

when its forced its rape stupid! get that into your horny shrunken brain!!

[underplay]

when its forced its rape stupid! get that into your horny shrunken brain!!You just stated the obvious, good job. by the way, insults dont go very far, you will earn that later on.

But back to the topic, yes, men do repress rape instincts to sum it up.

[Balloonatic]

i truly beleive that all men are surpressing rape instincts.

[BodyElectric]

I believe there is a degree of base instinct but I think nurture has a much larger role.

[mushroomherb]

how can you people even say that? you think all men supress rape? thats like saying all dogs supress killing people!

[Wicked Penetration]

i truly beleive that all men are surpressing rape instincts.Yes, I agree. But I also feel that it has to do with hormones, because most women like to "roleplay" a rape fantasy, which is pretty fucked up if you think about it. So go figure if guys think about it, girls think about the other thing (not that they REALLY want it to happen, mind you. But neither do the guys who think about it).

[dances in pajamas]

I don't think men "suppress" rape instincts. I think they have carnal instincts that sort of linger in the back of their mind and some may have rape fantasies. Some, not all. Many guys probably get the desire to just mount a ridiculously good-looking female sometimes, or at least I would imagine so. But I do not think it is the natural instinct of man to rape.

And most women do NOT like to roleplay rape. Some women do, but most do not.

[yonosoymedico]

Im gonna have to bring it back to instincts and say yes, that men do have the instincts but its not so strong has to where you have to hold yourself back... how do you think anyone in the world ever gets together? its the instinct...

Now, I wouldnt call that instinct rape, I think that going through with the unconsented acting out of that instinct would definitely be defined as rape..but the instinct is not rape, it is as natural as sneezing.. people just have feelings and urges whether its for an actual person or possibly even a person on a movie screen, maybe its related to fight or flight type mechanisms connected to vision..im not sure, have heard a few tales of men being more visual than women but who can say?...

oh yeah, rape is probably a cultural thing as well(or the idea)..i know the inuit(eskimos) of northern canada the only way they mate is what we would define as rape... a man picks a woman and takes her, thats it.. end of story..dunno, something to ponder or research if youre interested...enjoy

and i have to say i aggree with dancin in pajamas

[DQ Veg]

I've never had the slightest desire to rape anyone. To me, if sex is forced on someone, it loses all it's meaning. Sex should be something mutual, where both partners are pleasing each other, and getting pleasure from giving it to the other.

I've been one horny guy for most of the time since I turned about 12, and I can honestly say I've never had any rape instincts to suppress. I don't understand guys that do, either. Or for that matter, girls that fantasize about rape. The whole idea seems kind of repulsive to me.

[Keramptha]

i know that most people are decent. But everyone is human. and i was just wanting to know. in a human sense... from a human perspective...that sexual desire...How do you control it.. how difficult is it to put it out of your mind sometimes?

And why do fathers always insist that young men are just ferrets...and that their daughters should stay away from them?. it seems that they're saying men think with their dicks and not much else.

is this true?

[Zanarkand]

There is no such thing as "rape instincts"

[.Hannah.]

Men have urges. I'm not sure about rape instinct and I think that word was chosen wrongly - which is why it has sparked very heated responses in some here (not surprising). Keramptha, I think you realize how insulting that word is?

Men have urges but most aren't going to force you to bend over, pull down your pants and stick up to you because they're "young ferrets" unless there's something really disturbed about them AND/OR you the female, have done something to provoke them.

I'm also wondering if this thread is actually about DESIRE, why is it about male repression?!

Yes, it is hard to suppress sometimes! And yes, it is human nature. But having the desire and acting out on it are two different things. That's where control comes in.

[cn283]

As has been said above rape is a crime of violence not a sex crime. The patients who I have taken care of who were rapists (in for the 30 day court exam) both hated and feared women. As a male, I look at many women and imagine how it would to be in bed with them. However, I think that is very different from rape. Also according to the women I have talked to, they do the same sort of thing. I do not believe any normal male has a "rape instinct"
However, I think a lot of men carry around a lot of mental bullshit about how they are better than women are and that this can lead to some coercive behavior. "Hell I just spent 50 bucks; you had better give me some." But I think that kind of shit is a matter of nurture not nature.I think your totally right! I walk down the street and on any given day 9 out of 10 guys I see I imagine sleeping with them, oral sex (giving and recieving), ect. Does that make me a rapist? And what about the aggressive sex I sometimes like with my boyfriend, does that make me a rape victem? Rape is something totally different than thinking about sex with strangers.

[Keramptha]

it's about repressed sexuality... but come on girls.... please don't tell me you haven't ever just got sick and tired, of your male friend trying it on with you... when you didnt want them to, when you thought you were just freinds... and then you feel let down becuase men cant seem to not try it on with you,just becuase you are female and their friend...
come on.. it is annoying...

i guess its about men becuase they have the ability to force themselves on women in a pentrative way.

i supopse another way# of phrasing it could be... rape primal urges... do they exist?, how do men control them... do they if they exist, effect the moral behaviour of men! when they are trying to sleep with a woman.. do they stop being considerate, and think with their dick.. use force, persuasion, threatening behaviour... maniupulation... becuase of the urges...???

in my experience yes. men can ahve a strong level of desire that is purely about sex... of course women can too... but men can also lack an incredible amount of sensitivity compared to women.