Proof there is no devil(or arguably evil)?

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

The sun, makes love to the land. Giving it growth, life, light, food, etc.... The moon, gives water the govement of movement, rising and falling(even though the sun has gives this too), and the gift of cycles. So can we then conclude pretty much, if we see nature as Gods creation or a reflection of the way things are, that there is no such thing as hate, or the devil. There is nothing but unconditional love given to us from ultimatley, the same single source. How lucky are we to live with these miraculous lovelights always watching over us.

Also,on the rising and falling, everything rises and falls. This is the universal way, contraction and expansion, tension and release. Your breath rises and falls, the seasons come and go, plants grow and die, etc etc. Creation and destruction, or entering and leaving, it just the way things are. If we see it work on every percievable level on things here, we could almost assume it happens everywhere in the universe pretty much. Which would possibly mean, we are all just apart of some cosmic breath that will disappear and be completley meaningless someday? Sorda one of those harsh nasty truths about life, like everyone takes a dump. Pulls of those rose colored glasses and back into the true nature of things, not the attraction and appeal of human drama and self-importance. Not everyones trip naturally, but a certain amount of these truths are healthy I think...

[TrippinBTM]

well, it is clear that there is more than unconditional love. I mean, I don't unconditionally love everyone and everything. (yet, haha).

I don't believe in "evil" per se, but clearly not everything is always good for us or for others. People are greedy, selfish, and hateful. We kill, rape, pillage, war, torture, and slander one another all the time. I see this more as ego than some seperate evil. Good and evil exist only in the mind, really. Let me sidetrack for a moment:

Goodness can only be known thanks to evil, so if we got rid of the evil, we'd not know what the good is anymore. The good contains the evil and the evil contains the good, they are connected and inseperable, two sides of one coin. Things move in cycles, like a pendulum. The yin-yang symbol is perfect in displaying this, because the white has a seed of black in it, and vice versa...from that seed the other grows. All good is fleeting (but so is all evil).

Enlightenment is transcending these dualities. They are transcended by dissolving the ego. And the ego is dissolved through introspection and understanding.

Check out the Tao Te Ching, it's where my basis for my understanding of evil basically comes from. And it's just amazing anyways.

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

Tao te ching is cool.

I think, there is Gods will, and mans will. Where people do wrong or do something full of desire, its not Satan luring them there, its themselves. I think Gods will is true destiny and following the path your meant to be on, where mans will is thinking you need to chose your own path and do this and that and justifying it with logical nonsense(haha). Then you come up empty handed anyways because its not really where its at, even though it looked like it to your logical mind. SOmetimes Gods will doesnt look like a promising path, and it takes a leap of faith to jump in and surrender sometimes.. and a little practice listening to your heart or God or whatever you call the powers that are not 100% known to us. I think beyond all the rape and murder and suffering in the world, there is unconditional love behind every act. Behind every facet of reality, lies the void, God, who is infinitley forgiving and loving and pure. And no matter how far you stray from your home or true nature, it still remains.

[TrippinBTM]

I agree...I think "Satan" is just a personification of all our "bad" impulses, the animalian, ancient, deep down stuff: sex, eating, sense pleasure, and impulse emotions like anger and fear (and the violence that may result). "God" is a personification of all the good stuff: morality, helpfulness, love. If you have God, you'll have Satan, it's just another duality (really the same one, good and evil).

Those "satan" impulses, though, aren't always bad. Anger serves it's purpose, and sex and fun are not evil. I don't see the helpfulness in condemning our emotions. We must honor what we are feeling by recognizing it, only then can we work for changing it. And truly, what we call evil is generally ego-stuff. It comes from this idea that we are alone and seperated from the rest of reality; there's us and then there's everything else. Thus, fear, and its opposite desire, rule our lives. But it's an illusion, a hallucination. We are really all connected, we are one. So letting outselves be what we are (maybe we're afraid at the moment, or angry or horny) is the first step in throwing off the ego (which only exists in past and future). Only in the NOW can we do anything, and only by being in the moment can we be free of ego.

I'm rambling I think...

[BlackBillBlake]

The sun, makes love to the land. Giving it growth, life, light, food, etc.... The moon, gives water the govement of movement, rising and falling(even though the sun has gives this too), and the gift of cycles. So can we then conclude pretty much, if we see nature as Gods creation or a reflection of the way things are, that there is no such thing as hate, or the devil. There is nothing but unconditional love given to us from ultimatley, the same single source. How lucky are we to live with these miraculous lovelights always watching over us.

Also,on the rising and falling, everything rises and falls. This is the universal way, contraction and expansion, tension and release. Your breath rises and falls, the seasons come and go, plants grow and die, etc etc. Creation and destruction, or entering and leaving, it just the way things are. If we see it work on every percievable level on things here, we could almost assume it happens everywhere in the universe pretty much. Which would possibly mean, we are all just apart of some cosmic breath that will disappear and be completley meaningless someday? Sorda one of those harsh nasty truths about life, like everyone takes a dump. Pulls of those rose colored glasses and back into the true nature of things, not the attraction and appeal of human drama and self-importance. Not everyones trip naturally, but a certain amount of these truths are healthy I think...
It depends what you think 'evil' might be. In many ways, it seems to depend on human survival etc. We say killing is wrong, but if the body is attacked by a bacteria, we don't hesitate to kill it
Perhaps 'evil' is not quite the right term, but there are some very bad things which happen to humans as a result of the structure of the universe - earthquakes and so on.
Humans themselves have proven that even if evil isn't part of the 'natural order' it can still exist. There have been and continue to be many evil people in the world.

It's hard to see how 'unconditional love' watches over child victims of natural disasters.