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[God]

Your eternal salvation may be in jeopardy...

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[Kharakov]

Your eternal salvation may be in jeopardy...

http://www.geocities.com/muscles598
Well, you said fuck you first :). Shit, why am i writing to you or talking to you- you already know everything.... Silly God...

[Mui]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo

you fucking prick!!! look what you have done to my soul!!!

i dont want to go to hell!!!
*cries in fear*

[God]

Ahhhh Hahaha! I Am God! I Can Do Anything!

[Alsharad]

Anything?

Make a square circle.

[Kharakov]

Anything?

Make a square circle.
Great, now all the tires in the world are gonna go thump-thump-thump....

[queenannie]

spiritual terrorist--but you can't scare me

nor condemn me, only I can do that

and I decide--Negatory!

(Hey that rhymes with purgatory, I'm off to poetize)

[God]

ah, so YOUR the one who sent me that email!

[queenannie]

God,

Are you a strong man? My mama says you are, but I say you're just a philosopher with a sense of humor.

your fan
Annie

[Mui]

hes a genius :D

[queenannie]

no wonder we get along so famously!!!

[God]

im just a sense of humor, that's all

[queenannie]

there is genius in laughter!

[TheProphetoftheWord]

Often it has been said that children and fools have favor from the Lord. Methinks truth lies in those words.

Blessed are the insecure, for from insecurity rises much mirthful speech and action.



The Oracle sees you well, child:



Your joke as an attack belies your confidence. You hide with humor among a house labeled for Faith; you stand here in fear seeking the back-handed redemption of an ignored puppy. Are you but a receptacle of negativity?

Your possibility is a seed of growth stifled by a flood of self loathing.

[God]

Often it has been said that children and fools have favor from the Lord. Methinks truth lies in those words.

Blessed are the insecure, for from insecurity rises much mirthful speech and action.



The Oracle sees you well, child:



Your joke as an attack belies your confidence. You hide with humor among a house labeled for Faith; you stand here in fear seeking the back-handed redemption of an ignored puppy. Are you but a receptacle of negativity?

Your possibility is a seed of growth stifled by a flood of self loathing.


i dont think im self loathing, at all. yes, it's a joke, and everything can be humorous, if you look at it the right way. and yea, like socrates or someone said,

Only the supremely wise and the ignorant do not budge.

peace man

[queenannie]

Your joke as an attack belies your confidence. You hide with humor among a house labeled for Faith; you stand here in fear seeking the back-handed redemption of an ignored puppy. Are you but a receptacle of negativity?


Could it not possibly be, instead, that he has a purpose in what he does that is not an affect of insecurity and veils of self-deception? I usually see people for what they are, on the net and in person. It shines through on the net if you see with eyes that see. At first inspection, yes, perhaps what you say seems to be the case. I am open to anything, though, and don't take anybody's word as truth except God's and mine. (My God is not on this forum, however) So I acted to discover, and lo and behold! The healthy voice of a realist was found, and I think the method is novel. I'd call it 'heads up, the sky is falling.'

[God]

Wait, I forgot that I'm really a comedian. I guess I should retire as God.

[TheProphetoftheWord]

All in it's proper time and place; are not timing and venue great aids to a comic?

[God]

this place is pretty funny. but whats all this talk about circumstances and reasons?

[queenannie]

Circumstances dictate.

[God]

ah, i dont even know what we're talking about anymore. just keep laughing

[campbell34]

Before the Flood, the people turned evil. They lived carelessly. Although instructed specifically by God to build and ark and prepare for a great flood the people even laughed at Noah, then it started raining...

With a rainbow, a promise has been made never to wipe out the earth with a flood.

Today, the people of the earth are similar to the days of Noah. However, God has a different plan .... http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon/

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

-Matt. 24:37

[God]

my favorite part of that website in your post,

"Although God punished the Jews of the past, he did not revoke their land contract for future Jewish generations."

I hope this guy isn't serious, and if he is, then it shows how INSANE he really is.

[campbell34]

"my favorite part of that website in your post,

"Although God punished the Jews of the past, he did not revoke their land contract for future Jewish generations."

I hope this guy isn't serious, and if he is, then it shows how INSANE he really is."



-God's promises are forever and it was God who said he will bring the Jewish people back to the land of Israel in the Latter days.....He is doing this not for the Jews but so the world will see the true God when they try to drive the Jews out of their land.

[Vae Victus]

-God's promises are forever and it was God who said he will bring the Jewish people back to the land of Israel in the Latter days.....He is doing this not for the Jews but so the world will see the true God when they try to drive the Jews out of their land.Your god suffers from a severe lack of imagination.

That aside, that was a pretty funny website (both of them, actually). :)

[campbell34]

I think the Pharoh said the same thing just before he lost his army. Oh and by the way, they discovered the original red sea crossing site. Divers were sent down and are now finding coral incrusted bones and charriot wheels. You might want to check out Ron Wyatt's Red Sea crossing...

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

[God]

Don't you see the truth? you think god operates on a time line? No, time is man made. sadly, most people are simply not intelligent enough to come to conclusions on their own, to actually question things hard and long.

if everything is happening right at this moment, all the people in the entire world living in this moment, no past or future, then it would make sense to say that it is all one, one big spirit. we are god

[roly]

kno sumthing? you may not mean to be ...but i find u offensive. i'm a true believer and the whole making fun thing totally undermines what i believe...i come on this part of the forum coz i am a christian and i feel that if u aren't here in support dont be here at all (not directed to everyone before u all slate me) roly.xxx peace :(

[queenannie]

Who says he is not supportive? Any gesture promoting free and original thought is supportive of the nature of a forum.

[campbell34]

"God"

What is your belief based off of?? Your own theory?

[queenannie]

"God"

What is your belief based off of?? Your own theory?
Whom are you addressing?

[campbell34]

"God"

What is your belief based off of?? Your own theory?

[Kharakov]

Don't you see the truth? you think god operates on a time line? No, time is man made. sadly, most people are simply not intelligent enough to come to conclusions on their own, to actually question things hard and long.

if everything is happening right at this moment, all the people in the entire world living in this moment, no past or future, then it would make sense to say that it is all one, one big spirit. we are god No, actually, you made time. Do I always have to reprimand you? Also, I am but a creature- U r God. Man, God, sometimes you need to be disciplined...

[God]

My theory is that everything is now, and we are all one.

[TheProphetoftheWord]

A Blessed beginning, for indeed, the Universe of the Lord is One. A fine start for a jokester!

May you find aid and comfort on your path.


One here would transpose pictures of days gone across the living work of art of which ALL are part. Life and days continue; they rest not on past laurels. In its stead let the Greatest of all Artists proceed, for tomorrow need not be as yesterday.
Open thine eyes, ears, and mind to the coming of the new day. Be part of that day.
Renounce thy pretendence at prophetica; thou are a reader with little understanding!

The prophet pains to explain the life of Jesus.
Let the Oracle speak:

The words Spoken by the Minions of the Lord, Christ amongst them, are naught but in the context of the Understanding of The Life.
They are not words and sentences to be picked and chosen among for a purpose of this or that.
The lesson of the Life and words and deeds and death of the Christian Savior is as the lesson of the sunrise: Change seeks the Good.

[campbell34]

"God"

"My theory is that everything is now, and we are all one."

-So what you believe is not based off anything. You pretty much made up your own religion. And if we are all one how come we are killing each other??

[God]

why are we killing each other? one answer.

IGNORANCE.

[campbell34]

"God"

-Obviously we are not all one and it is sin that seperates us from each other and God.

[God]

hahah, and please provide a conceptual definition of this word 'sin'.

[queenannie]

sin = selfishness

[God]

sin= ignorance

[TheProphetoftheWord]

Sin is as a rut in the road; no more. Jesus has assured this. Some findings of piety have been made over the roughest of roads.

The selfishness of individual is indeed sinful, but stands as a pebble to a mountain next to the sin of ignorance.

Ignorance of today is naught excused by worship of the past. Let those who wallow in the false security of self-satisfaction know that a new day is upon us. The Lord has brought forth a Universe of change and wonder. Do not scoff at such a Magnificent Gift by pretending that tomorrow be yesterday.

The Oracle speaks to the one who professes to be the superior Christian:
Are you a child of dogma or God's will? In what does your faith lie?
To claim Knowledge of the only path of faith is a mighty claim. It has been said that all sins of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Lord will not. Stand not as a wall against another man and his path to the God, for all who seek will find the Lord.

[campbell34]

"God"

SIN: any violation of God's (of the Bible) laws.





TheProphetoftheWord
-I can't read your faunt, it is to small

[queenannie]

How can sin be ignorance?

Ignorance is ‘the condition or quality of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, education, etc.’



Are You saying, God, that we are supposed to behave according to a guideline that is unbeknownst to us?



That’s rather harsh, isn’t it, from an merciful God such as Yourself?



Why, then did You send divine teachers to instruct humanity on the difference between sin and the Way?



Just by knowing what is sin, by definition, does that make us without sin?



Wouldn’t it be much more accurate to say that willful disregard for the Law defines Sin?



If so, given that the only Law is Love, wouldn’t selfishness be the only Sin?

[God]

very true.

[campbell34]

"It has been said that all sins of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Lord will not. Stand not as a wall against another man and his path to the God, for all who seek will find the Lord."
-TheProphetoftheWord

-The Bible does teach that all people will be forgiven of their sins if they give their life to Jesus. Sadly, the Bible also teaches that most people will reject Christ's sacrifice and because of this will be destined for hell.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

-Matthew 7:13-14

[queenannie]

What's up with the fonts? The default 2pt Verdana is sufficient.

Who is TheProphetoftheWord? Did he really come up with that statement, or is he just paraphrasing from the Gospels of Mark and Luke?

Numbers 15:30
'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people.'

Blaspheme means the same as 'to sin willfully', defiantly. (Another point demonstrating how sin is not ignorance--god's just testing me)

small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to lifetwo questions:
What does that mean in relation to this discussion?
What does that mean to you? What gains entrance through the small gate to the narrow path?

It sure would be easier for the reader if you'd make a statement, first, so that you'd have a context for your quotes to support. I'm not sure what you're trying to say because I don't know what your understanding is of these statements.

[campbell34]

queenannie,

I did make a statement, if you recall:

"The Bible does teach that all people will be forgiven of their sins if they give their life to Jesus. Sadly, the Bible also teaches that most people will reject Christ's sacrifice and because of this will be destined for hell."

As a Bible reference I quoted Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."





"What does that mean in relation to this discussion?"

-The fact is that most people are willing going to hell. People tend to think that the majority of people are Christians but in all reality most people in the world and America are not true Christians and will not go to Heaven.

People have called Christiany narrow and it is, that is why the Bible describes it as a narrow road. However, as it is also described in the Bible "few find it."

"What does that mean to you? What gains entrance through the small gate to the narrow path?"

-By asking Jesus into your life and letting him take control. You then receive the covering of your sin by his blood sacrifice.


"Blaspheme means the same as 'to sin willfully', defiantly. (Another point demonstrating how sin is not ignorance--god's just testing me)"

-The Bible teaches he who knows to do right and doeth it not, to him it is sin. By disobeying God it is a form of ignorance.

[queenannie]

queenannie,

I did make a statement, if you recall:
I didn't realize, I guess the hyphen threw me off.

My apologies.

[queenannie]

-The fact is that most people are willing going to hell. People tend to think that the majority of people are Christians but in all reality most people in the world and America are not true Christians and will not go to Heaven.

People have called Christiany narrow and it is, that is why the Bible describes it as a narrow road. However, as it is also described in the Bible "few find it."Okay, I'm with you.

"What does that mean to you? What gains entrance through the small gate to the narrow path?"

-By asking Jesus into your life and letting him take control. You then receive the covering of your sin by his blood sacrifice.But if all it required was letting him in, thus enabling him to take control, the gate would be a wide one to a broad path, right? We'd just say "Come into my life, Jesus," and then he'd make our decisions and determine our behavior, and we'd sin no more, ever. That means, potentially, that every 'christian' that goes to 'church' has a free upstairs pass.

What exactly does he take control of? We have free will, and He doesn't prevent the use of our free will, before or after we accept Him. So that can't be the answer to what gains us passage through the narrow gate. It is partially true, of course, we must ask Him in. Then what?

I thought He 'washed our sins away', not 'covered' them. The first is a cleansing, but the second is like putting perfume on when you really need a bath, instead.

-The Bible teaches he who knows to do right and doeth it not, to him it is sin. By disobeying God it is a form of ignorance.How is that? Ignorance is nothing more that the state of not knowing. If we sin by not doing what we know is right, then if we don't do something because we are in ignorance of its rightness, we are not sinning!

'He who know to do right and doeth it not' is willfully, or defiantly, sinning, or blaspheming G-d.

Ignorance is not sin!
Sin is willful disregard for the Law.
The Law is Love.

[campbell34]

queenannie,

"But if all it required was letting him in, thus enabling him to take control, the gate would be a wide one to a broad path, right?"

-It could be, but won't, because the world does not believe in Jesus and they love their sin more then they love God.

"We'd just say "Come into my life, Jesus," and then he'd make our decisions and determine our behavior, and we'd sin no more, ever. That means, potentially, that every 'christian' that goes to 'church' has a free upstairs pass. ...What exactly does he take control of? We have free will, and He doesn't prevent the use of our free will, before or after we accept Him. So that can't be the answer to what gains us passage through the narrow gate. It is partially true, of course, we must ask Him in. Then what?"


-Yes we ask him into our life but he does not determine our decisions, we do. This is because we still have our free will but we choose to live a life that would honor God and his laws. The fact that we try to live Godly lives is an indication of our love. Yet, our good deeds alone will never earn us a ticket to heaven. Only Jesus blood sacrifice gives us that ticket.

Taking control is a figure of speech, Jesus set a path before us we are only trying to walk it.


I thought He 'washed our sins away', not 'covered' them. The first is a cleansing, but the second is like putting perfume on when you really need a bath, instead.

-Yes washed away would be the better choice of words.

[Kharakov]

-Yes we ask him into our life but he does not determine our decisions, we do. This is because we still have our free will but we choose to live a life that would honor God and his laws. The fact that we try to live Godly lives is an indication of our love. Yet, our good deeds alone will never earn us a ticket to heaven. Only Jesus blood sacrifice gives us that ticket.

The fact that Jesus was raised to heaven by GOD after he was killed by petty men for proclaiming freedom from the law through complete Faith in God was the whole fucking point of the sacrifice!!!! Why was he called Faithful and True? You are just like a pharisee you hypocrite proclaiming that we should lead "GODLY" lives by following the law. The law ends in death. Faith in God, which is a part of true love for God is the only road to life.

I have smoked crack, shot heroin, laughed at Satanic music, and many other things that people have said not to do because I have faith that God will guide me through these things. When I am with junkies and crackheads I tell them I am all right because God has my back. God keeps me out of deep trouble to show people that a person who has faith in God and publically proclaims it can freely do things that others fear to do. I am a walking advertisement for faith in God- and as such my life can only get better. A lot of the junkies and crackheads see how happy I am and see my life and have the chance to question why they are as they are. People who worry about money (serve money instead) can see the example I set for absolute reliance upon God and see the good that happens to me.

[campbell34]

What are you talking about. What I say comes from the Bible and what Jesus said. I'm not making this stuff up as a go along. What I just said I can back with Bible verses, You however I am not so sure.

[queenannie]

-It could be, but won't, because the world does not believe in Jesus and they love their sin more then they love God.Most can't help it, they don't know G-d, and haven't been properly introduced to Jesus. I'll blame that one on organized religion. I think many have gone to church wanting to know G-d, but for some reason become soured or discouraged due to the hypocritical behavior of those who claim christian.

But the small population still doesn't account for the small gate to the narrow path. It's not that people don't want to enter, they just don't know the specifics of the gate and path, right?

I know 'seek and ye shall find' is absolutely true, but it's not a gimme, either.

...to live a life that would honor God and his laws. The fact that we try to live Godly lives is an indication of our love. Yet, our good deeds alone will never earn us a ticket to heaven. Only Jesus blood sacrifice gives us that ticket.You're going in circles! I'm trying to pin you down to say just exactly what must be done to gain 'salvation', 'eternal life', what have you. But you keep referring to things with the vague phraseology of nondenominational sunday school. That's why I didn't learn much about actual salvation there, because no one would explain anything.

So, say I was a person who had never known about Jesus, 35 years old, now earnestly seeking G-d's Way, and you are the only person, with the proper intentions, available to explain it to me. What will you say to me so that I can clearly understand what I've got to do? Can you keep an interested person from become disillusioned by rhetoric and missing the wagon to Shangri-La?
Use your own words, remember I'm new to 'religion' and so everything must be explained simply for me to remember.

[campbell34]

"Most can't help it, they don't know G-d, and haven't been properly introduced to Jesus. I'll blame that one on organized religion. I think many have gone to church wanting to know G-d, but for some reason become soured or discouraged due to the hypocritical behavior of those who claim christian."

-I agree with that



"You're going in circles! I'm trying to pin you down to say just exactly what must be done to gain 'salvation', 'eternal life', what have you. But you keep referring to things with the vague phraseology of nondenominational sunday school. That's why I didn't learn much about actual salvation there, because no one would explain anything.

So, say I was a person who had never known about Jesus, 35 years old, now earnestly seeking G-d's Way, and you are the only person, with the proper intentions, available to explain it to me. What will you say to me so that I can clearly understand what I've got to do? Can you keep an interested person from become disillusioned by rhetoric and missing the wagon to Shangri-La? Use your own words, remember I'm new to 'religion' and so everything must be explained simply for me to remember."

-Here it goes... i tried my best...

Before Christ came to the earth, man's sin was covered by a simple task of shedding animals blood to represent what was to come(Jesus).
Years later, God sent his only son Jesus to shed his blood on the cross. Christ's death gave people an even simpler task--accept Him into their hearts and eternal life would follow.
Today, God's free gift is still being offered to anyone that asks. Jesus called it being born again. However, this was not a physical rebirth but a spiritual birth. By asking Jesus (through prayer in your own words) to forgive you of your sins he will honor your request no matter how bad you have been and he will forgive you for every sin you have every committed. From this day forward if you are sincere you will try to live as God says. Though you may fall, God will always be there to forgive you of your sins. None of use will ever live a perfect life but thats the reason Jesus died for us. Trust in Jesus, and he will take care of you. When this life passes those who love the Lord will be with him forever.

[God]

more sacrificial theory garbage. explain the MEANING behind this concept. No one, not one christian, has ever been able to. I remember back when I was a christian, I had no idea of the meaning of that concept, and didn't even care.

[campbell34]

"God"

"more sacrificial theory garbage. explain the MEANING behind this concept. No one, not one christian, has ever been able to. I remember back when I was a christian, I had no idea of the meaning of that concept, and didn't even care."

-Man by nature is sinful. That is why there is war, murders, kidnappings, adultery, ect. The God of the Old Testiment told the people to be covered for sin they should offer up animal sacrifices. This was the commom practice of the past. As time moved forward God sent his son Jesus to be the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Anyone from that time on who accepted Jesus as their God would inherit eternal life. True Christians care, and they love to live their lives for Jesus.

If you were a Christian what age were you born again?

[God]

i wasn't ever 'born again', i was born into christianity, so by your definition, I've always been 'born again'. and if you keep refering to causes and effects due to 'sin', then I'm not even going to bother posting back, because the word has no true concept, at least an accepted definition, that makes any logical or metaphysical sense.

[queenannie]

Before Christ came to the earth, ... those who love the Lord will be with him forever.That was very lovely, the way you worded all that. That attitude would have a positive influence on the listener, maybe more so than the words.

Back to hypotheville: I'd say you've pretty much got me hooked on following Jesus, but I just have one question. I understand I have to be forgiven of my sins and all it takes it asking sincerely, and I can do that. But after that, I'm not sure what's expected of me. What is sin, exactly, and what does God say in regard to how I am supposed to live? I sure don't want to do this halfway.

Okay, you're on again. Go out there and break a leg, kid! ;)

[queenannie]

This is to God:

more sacrificial theory garbage. explain the MEANING behind this concept. No one, not one christian, has ever been able to. I remember back when I was a christian, I had no idea of the meaning of that concept, and didn't even care.Even if you never cared, aren't you still just a smidgen curious? I think I can explain the concept behind the theory.:rolleyes:

There is one thing that drastically differentiates human beings on Earth from the other entities (angels, archons, those of the underworld, etc.) and G-d(s). It is blood. It is something that makes us predominantly material beings in this existence, but also gives us a one-up on the angels, archons, etc. That advantage lies in the fact that the blood running through our veins, coupled with the part of the immortal Spirit that was endowed to each of us, creates a "soul". Something unique in all the realms. By having a soul, we have the ability to receive eternal life, yet retain our "individualism", or our free will. The rest of humanity that is of the immortal seed does not have the bonus of individual mind. Angels do not have free will.

Each of us was created in the hope that we would seek to become desirable as a companion to G-d, of our own free will. He wanted some company besides the single-minded Angels, companions that have personality of their own, that desire his company just as he desires theirs.

How do we show Him we want to hang out with him for eternity? Especially when we have a playground on Earth that everyone else cannot enjoy as we can, since they have no bodies such as ours to enjoy carnal existence here on Earth? What I mean is we can eat delicious food, we can feel the softness of a pet when we love on it, we can smell roses, we can feel the comfort of a loved one's touch or a baby's cheek, we can totally experience sexual activity; we can use our 5 senses to experience in a tangible way, everything in the material realm. We take it for granted, but the Angels envy us. ;)

We take it for granted, yet we won't release our attachment to it. We don't enjoy it, for the most part, being caught up in it's own snares, yet we are scared to leave it by 'dying'. That is where the problem is. We were sent to this place to learn what we needed to know to make the decision to be G-d's buddies, but after we got here, we became enchanted with a sensual existence and lost sight of our goal. We lost sight of most everything except what we can get immediate physical gratification from. We sin by keeping ourselves entrenched in this world, and by fearing our inevitable departure from it. We consider our lives on Earth to be genuine life, when actually is only a temporary dream. We think immortality is a rare gift, when it is the true state of being. It is like this: G-d does not give us eternal life when we choose the Way, we already had it. But by allowing our material existence to take hold and dominate us, fooling us that it is 'real', we are choosing true death, finite existence. When we turn away from this life, death :X releases its grip on us and we regain our immortality.

Before Jesus, the only way to show G-d that we were relinquishing our hold on this world and turning away from materiality and true death, was by showing that the one thing that made us linked to this world, life (or life-blood), was not important to us. If we sacrifice the lifeblood of an animal, which has life, but no individual soul, then we are demonstrating that our priority is not earthly life, but eternal life (which doesn't require blood to exist, after the soul is created). We rectified our sin by denying it any kind of hold on our lives.

When Jesus gave his life, his blood ran into the earth from where he hung on the cross, thereby infusing all soil (from which our physical bodies are made from, in theory) with his blood. He did not have to taste death, but he did, and by choosing to do so, he paid our ransom to this world. The sacrifice of life blood which is connected with a soul far surpasses the life blood of an animal, and has a more permanent effect, necessary only once, whereas the animal sacrifice was continual and frequent (not to mention costly, I'm sure).

Still one condition remains for receiving credit on our accounts for His payment, and that is acknowledging what He did for us by living by his example. Just as we like to have friends who also value what we value the most, so does G-d. He is the essence of Truth and Love, and The Way is only traveled in a truth-mobile that has love in the gas tank.

Does that explain it? I know it was a novel-length explanation, so I've got to make it count.

[campbell34]

"God"

"i wasn't ever 'born again', i was born into christianity"

-You may have been born into a Christian family but that doesn't make you a Christian. You have to personally ask Jesus in order to become a member of his family. If you sincerily do so, his spirit will supernaturally enter your body which will seal you eternity.

[campbell34]

queenannie,

"I understand I have to be forgiven of my sins and all it takes it asking sincerely, and I can do that. But after that, I'm not sure what's expected of me. What is sin, exactly, and what does God say in regard to how I am supposed to live? I sure don't want to do this halfway."

-I could write out a Big long explanation... but I think this lay out says it best.



First here is link on how to get saved
http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/thelife/id2.html


And here is a guideline on what to do after you are saved


1. GO TO CHURCH!


It is good to get in a church to learn more about Jesus. There are people there who can help build you up spiritually and lead you in your times of trouble. Find a church that fits your lifestyle. If you like wilder music and more outgoing things, go to a more charasmatic church. If you like lighter style music, and are less outgoing go to a more reserved church. It is very important that you go to a church that dosen't go against ANYTHING in the Holy Bible or that adds or removes anything in the Bible. (Finding a good church may not be easy)

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


2. BAPTISM


Now, make a covenant to God through baptism (fully immersing yourself in water). Baptism represents the very elements of the good news. This is an outward proclamation of an inward reality that you have died to your old self and been raised again! You can be babtized at your church.

Acts 2:38,9 Repent and be baptized, everyone of you for the forgiveness of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call.


3. PRAY!


Prayer is simply talking to God. You can pray anytime, anywhere and you can talk to God just like you talk to anyone else. When you talk to God you may ask for forgiveness of your sins, thank him for your blessings, and ask for requests. He will always hear and answer your prayers. The answer may not always be yes(as far as requests go), but he will hear your prayer.

Luke 18:1 And he spoke a parable to them to this end, that men should always pray...

1 Thessalonians 5:17 - Pray without ceasing.


4. READ THE BIBLE!


I suggest the "The Message" or "New International Version(NIV)" Bible translations. They are more modern translations of the Bible and are extremely easy to understand. They can be found at any Christian Book Store. Try reading either Matthew, Mark, Luke, John first and then read Romans. The Gospels tell the story of Jesus. Romans is a letter Paul wrote to Romans that talks about the basics of Christianity.

Romans 10:17 - Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness...


5. TURN FROM YOUR OLD WAYS AND OBEY GOD!

Now that you are Christian dosen't mean you don't have any fun, just don't sin and do what you think Jesus would do. The Bible tells us all that we should and should not do and gives Jesus as a perfect example of what's right. Romans discusses this issue of "Now that I'm a Christian, can I sin as much as I want now?" (of course, the answer is no).

Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

6. WITNESS TO OTHERS!

Tell others of what you find so they too can find this awesome gift.

Mark 16:15 - And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

[peace_sells]

Wooo!! I did not click "here" I clicked on the "last page" which didn't say whether I should click there or not - thus I found better way to ruin your evil reverse psychology mind game, :D

[TheProphetoftheWord]

Heed not the self-righteous one who pretends to hold the key to eternity; the door stands open for all, and many paths lead there. I will pray for you, misguided believer.
Know that Jesus abhors the treacherous attempts at the closing of the gateway in his name.

For the one who ask a simple question, the Oracle answers:
The lesson of the life and death of Jesus is the lesson of sin within they own heart. When it comes too pass that a human sins, a small death occurs within thine own heart. Only forgiveness offers ressurection of the soul.

And the prophet implores all to seek forgiveness for our tresspasses from those we have offended. Only then may we forgive ourselves and know the peace of Jesus.

[peace_sells]

one question my darling: was that aimed at me? because I know not whether to reply to it or not in case it wasn't.

I have to say I like the way you speak.. type..

[campbell34]

"Heed not the self-righteous one who pretends to hold the key to eternity; the door stands open for all, and many paths lead there. I will pray for you, misguided believer.
Know that Jesus abhors the treacherous attempts at the closing of the gateway in his name."


Yeah, TheProphetoftheWord who are you aiming that towards. The information that I have given is based off the Bible.

You say many paths lead to eternity, well Jesus must have been a liar because he claims he is the only way.

You talk about Jesus, but the rest of what you say I am not so sure its Biblical... Are you a Christian?

[queenannie]

Mr. Prophet:

Who are you talking to? Why are you a prophet and oracle? What can you say to verify that you are?
If you are, it would be nice of you to speak a little plainer. I understand exactly what you say and know it to be true. But the ones you are the most interested in communicating with, the ones that don't know, would just be further confused. That defeats the purpose. As well, you come across as "self-righteous" yourself. I'm sure you're not, but if you use the same language as the "self-righteous", you're not going to get results.

Campbell34:
Nice website, I assume it is yours? Very attractive, the light green letters are hard on the eyes, the dark olive works much better.
But still vague about sin. I'm wanting to know what you say. Not anyone else. I'll tell you this: You've got to stop borrowing the words and beliefs of others. They will steer you wrong. I'm not going to tell you what to believe, either. I know that's up to you. But you don't realize that choosing the system of others, even rearranging a custom package, is not the same as discovering your own.

I will pray you understand what I mean. I think you are a true person with a lovely heart. "christian" is what you call it. But you're not yet original. Other peoples ideas will get you screwed up. Like about the links on your page to that stuff about Israel. That is contrivations and misuderstood assumptions about how to read the bible. I mean read it to understand it. It's not about the people called Jews who came out of Israel. It's about God's poeple. For that generation, they just happened to be in one tribe. Every generation is different. The word doesn't mean generation like we think of it. It is mankind's period between exodus's. 'Exodus' is not an exclusive name for the flight out of egypt. The land of milk and honey is not the gaza strip. It is the eternal home where G-d lives!
We are on the threshold of the next Exodus, and that's why its vital everyone thinks for themselves now, because it's every man for himself, in a sense. Only you and G-d can know if you are chosen for the exodus. If you are, you'll know what to do. If you're not inside your head with Him, out there adopting the misconceptions of other group-thinkers, you'll miss the boat. Remember another Exodus, when Noah was the chosen people?
A lot of people missed the boat.

Do you understand me?

[campbell34]

queenannie,

"Nice website, I assume it is yours? Very attractive, the light green letters are hard on the eyes, the dark olive works much better.
But still vague about sin. I'm wanting to know what you say. Not anyone else. I'll tell you this: You've got to stop borrowing the words and beliefs of others. They will steer you wrong."

-I put out these ideas because I agree with them and they are worded better then I could write them. Although I did write some parts, the website is mainly compilation of key parts from other websites that form the message I am trying to say. Thats is: what the Bible says about the future, the proof of the Bible, and the way the Bible says to live our life. I like it this way because if they are intrested in a particular area they can research further on the base website.

I do not see how other people can lead me wrong if they follow the Bible. It is possible to learn on your own but sometimes you have to go to the experts, the ones who have deeply analyzed the Bible, to find what you are looking for.

I am not so sure what you want to know about sin. Please ask questions. But here is my sin speech...

Everyone is born into sin. We sin everyday. The only way to wash away these sins are to truly accept Jesus into your heart-to get saved. Most of the word has not accepted the sacrifice and therefore most people have sins that are unwashed. Although after you are saved you are still going to be tempted and your are going to fall-even Christians are not perfect. However, true Christians will make an attempted not to fall into sin and will try to fight their sinful ways. This shows God who really loves him and who His true believers are.



Which part are you talking about in regards of Israel on my website??

[queenannie]

you have to go to the experts, the ones who have deeply analyzed the Bible, to find what you are looking for.What qualifies them as 'experts'? Because they say they are, because they say they know what you cannot know, except through the explanations of them?

I am not so sure what you want to know about sin. Please ask questions. Give me a literal example from an average joe's every day life that demonstrates 'sin'.
How exactly does a 'sinful way' manifest itself?


Which part are you talking about in regards of Israel on my website??The part talking about how Israel became a nation in 1948, and how the bible says "before this generation shall pass away."
These are literal misunderstandings of the whole story behind 'Isreal', which BTW, means 'man who sees G-d', not a name of a physical nation or population.
The bible is not meant as a literal story book with a moral at the end that every Dick and Jane that reads it can automatically understand and process. A lot of the so-called experts have no inkling whatsoever how to 'decode' the bible's message, and their handed-down superstitions and beliefs have tainted their understanding, prohibiting some of the basic principles necessary for comprehending the presentation of the true message. It is not a literal textbook. It is an allegorical textbook which is rendered useless when dissected to death (or, 'deeply analyzed') in the manner of today's biblical 'scholars' and commentaries.
The deepness of the bible is not analytical, it is symbolic and emblematic.

Matthew 15
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

[campbell34]

queenannie,


"What qualifies them as 'experts'? Because they say they are, because they say they know what you cannot know, except through the explanations of them?"
-First off you left out the key word in quoting me-sometimes. How would u determine an expert? I would say not someone who says they know more than me but someone who has had schooling and has a career in that specific field. Such as a Bible theologian. However, basing your view just on these experts views is not enough. A person should do their own research.



"It is not a literal textbook. It is an allegorical textbook which is rendered useless when dissected to death (or, 'deeply analyzed') in the manner of today's biblical 'scholars' and commentaries.
The deepness of the bible is not analytical, it is symbolic and emblematic."
-Your thoughts concerning Israel and the Jewish people not being literal are way off base. The Bible from the beginning was not an allegory and we no this from the archaeological evidence. People who believe this ignore the obvious because they do not want the Bible to be a literal guide for their life. The Bible speaks the truth but those who call it allegory have found a word to deny that truth.


Matthew 15
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "


-What I am talking about here has nothing to do with the traditions of men. The fact is most churches do not even talk about this. The things that I am speaking of here are straight from the Bible. I am not talking about rules, but prophectic truth.

[queenannie]

How would u determine an expert? I would say not someone who says they know more than me but someone who has had schooling and has a career in that specific field. Such as a Bible theologian. However, basing your view just on these experts views is not enough. A person should do their own research.There are no experts. Schooling and career is just more 'traditions of men'. A person must do their own research. I'm not saying not to listen to anyone else, but don't assume for any reason anyone knows any more than you can.



-Your thoughts concerning Israel and the Jewish people not being literal are way off base. How do you know?
The Bible from the beginning was not an allegory and we no this from the archaeological evidence. People who believe this ignore the obvious because they do not want the Bible to be a literal guide for their life. The Bible speaks the truth but those who call it allegory have found a word to deny that truth.Allegory means 'a story in which people, things, and events have a hidden or symbolic meaning: allegories are used for teaching or explaining ideas, moral principles, etc.'
Parables are stories made up to teach, an allegory can be a true story. I totally believe the things in the bible happened, although not because of any physical evidence. There are a lot of unsolved incongruencies in the field of biblical archeology, mainly because of trying to date events and identifying places and people by literal translation of what is written.
I digress. My point is, all the things really happened, but the bible tells them as 'stories' not 'history' as we're familiar with and expect. There are lessons in the telling, but unless you look at it in an allegorical manner, you will miss them. I'll have to explain when I've got more time.
I do use the bible for a literal guide for my life, and by saying it is allegorical in its teaching, I have found more truth, rather than deny it.
But I didn't understand how that could be when I once was saying the things you are.


-What I am talking about here has nothing to do with the traditions of men. The fact is most churches do not even talk about this. The things that I am speaking of here are straight from the Bible. I am not talking about rules, but prophectic truth.But how did you come to understand the things you are speaking of? By delving in alone, with the blessing of G-d, or by applying what you've been told to what you read? The reason I say this is because your words have the distinctive sound of what's come to be expected from the clergy and evangelists. It's all rather circular and vague, without any bottom line that is conclusive to the listener.

[God]

this thread is now not a debate, but an amusement. cambell is a fuckin joke, and i'm sure that many here would agree.

[Mui]

this thread is now not a debate, but an amusement. cambell is a fuckin joke, and i'm sure that many here would agree.word my man

[queenannie]

So did you hear the one about the new guy at the lumberjack camp?

He arrives in the afternoon, so with nothing else to do until sun-up, he goes to the camp saloon for a drink and to see what the camp's all about.

He sits at the bar, and as he's drinking his beer, the bartender pauses and chats a little every chance he gets. The bartender takes his job seriously, and does his best to inform all greenhorns on camp ways, both for the benefit of the greenhorn and the camp at large.

At one point, he lowers his voice and says to the greenhorn, in a conspiratorial whisper, 'You see those two guys over in the corner, the ones wearing matching orange turtlenecks?'

The greenhorn spots these guys and nods to the bartender.

'Never, ever, and I repeat, never, get drunk to the point of passing out when those two are lurking about. You'll sure be sorry, in ways you can't begin to figure.'

'Oh yeah, what do you mean, then?' asks the greenhorn.

'Well, suffice it to say, if you're fool enough to drink yourself into a stupor, they'll wait until you pass out, throw you in their little wheelbarrow that they keep out back, and take you outside and have all their deviant little ways with you. It's sick, it truly is. The only reason they are allowed to stay is their aunt is the mad-wack bitch that owns this operation. Just watch yourself, man,' and with that said, the bartender walks off and starts his nightly cleanup.

A few months go by, no problems, and the guy loses the green from his horns. No problems, that is, until his birthday arrives. He's hasn't forgotten what the bartender said about the turtleneck wierdos. Everything else he heard from him was of great benefit so far.

The truth is, sometimes the liquor licks even the best man. That is what happened on this particular lumberjack's birthday. Hiram, Jim, and Jack snuck up on the ole boy, and before he realized it, he was snockered face down into a bowl of peanuts, sitting in the corner of the bar when closing time arrived.

The bartender observed the turtle twins exchange a gleeful glance, while one ran out back to get the wheelbarrow, and together the duo loaded up their prize. The bartender just shook his head as he continued wiping down the bar.

When the fallen lumberjack blearily opens an eye, he observes that he's in a moving wheelbarrow, and walking in front of him he sees one blue turtlenecked twin.

'Hey, hey, man, don't take me out back!' he cries with alarm.

From behind him the voice of the other turtleneck says, 'Dude, we're not taking you out, we're bringing you back in.'

[campbell34]

There are no experts. Schooling and career is just more 'traditions of men'. A person must do their own research. I'm not saying not to listen to anyone else, but don't assume for any reason anyone knows any more than you can.

-So that means if you do your own research on being a doctor, you can do the same job as a Doctor. Thanks but no thanks. I'll take the trained doctor. To you college is only good for the title. You can learn everything you learn in college by yourself. Go to the Library, study hard, and become a doctor.



In regards to the Israel and 1948, who do you think the fig tree is of Matt. 24:32?




"GoD"

"this thread is now not a debate, but an amusement. cambell is a fuckin joke, and i'm sure that many here would agree."

-I tell you what the Bible says and you think I am am crazy. Jesus describes it best...

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.-John 15:18

[queenannie]

-So that means if you do your own research on being a doctor, you can do the same job as a Doctor. Thanks but no thanks. I'll take the trained doctor. To you college is only good for the title. You can learn everything you learn in college by yourself. Go to the Library, study hard, and become a doctor.Why not? Only problem is arranging clinicals, but then there's always the morgue...
I am a registered nurse, and I'll tell you this: a large portion of doctors become such for no reason related to actual desire to doctor others. Prestige, family expectations, whatever. More and more of them have little or no instincts or intuitions, not to mention compassion, and they can't even look at the whole picture, they take 2 minutes of patient interview, cast a cursory glance at the patient, listen to a breath, check out the lab results and order more and more medicines. And that's the way it is, I give you my word. I trust them not with my life, and watch them real close with my mom's. And yeah, go to the library and study. The most capable man for the job is the truly educated man who is humble and who taught himself out of the desire to know.

Why would I trust someone else with my soul when I won't even trust someone with my life (and I'm not scared to die)?!?!? It's foolish.


In regards to the Israel and 1948, who do you think the fig tree is of Matt. 24:32?The fig tree doesn't represent a person, or people, it is an instruction to be watching the passing 'seasons' so that we may know when the end of the Age is near. Although we cannot know the exact day and hour, there is no reason not to see it coming, and be ready.

He's referring to the start of the growing season, at the end of which comes the time for harvest.
Revelation 14:15-16
Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Do you see?

Besides, if Jehovah led the Israelites out of Egypt, so long ago, making them his people, then why did they have to wait until 1948 to become an official country? What authority greater than G-d's deemed that year the time they actually, officially became a nation? That doesn't even make any sense!

Generation in the bible is not the way we consider it, as I said. Generations are roughly as follows (I'm not totally accurate, but enough to demonstrate what I mean)
Adam
Noah
Abraham
Jacob (Israel)
Jesus

A generation is like an age, about the same amount of time. Through until Jacob and the twelve tribes, it was a family thing. But Jesus came to usher in the Piscean age, and at that time the 'nation of isreal' was no longer a private club whose members were only those of the lineage. Jesus bled into the earth, and now we are all elgible to be one of the twelve tribes, in preparation for the next Exodus!!!

Do you understand the difference in literal and allegorical yet?

[Kharakov]

What are you talking about. What I say comes from the Bible and what Jesus said. I'm not making this stuff up as a go along. What I just said I can back with Bible verses, You however I am not so sure.Abraham was justified through faith. So am I.

[Kharakov]

"God"
-Man by nature is sinful. That is why there is war, murders, kidnappings, adultery, ect. War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God. Who are you to judge an action?
Anyone from that time on who accepted Jesus as their God would inherit eternal life. God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.

[queenannie]

Abraham was justified through faith. So am I.
You know, I've heard that said many times, and I think I understand it, in a general sense, but not completely. Would you be so kind to explain it so that I can say it with authority, too? I really like it but hesitate to talk out of my ass by saying something I don't quite understand. :&

[Kharakov]

You know, I've heard that said many times, and I think I understand it, in a general sense, but not completely. Would you be so kind to explain it so that I can say it with authority, too? I really like it but hesitate to talk out of my ass by saying something I don't quite understand. :&
Complete faith comes from a deep understanding of God. To know that God is the one being that has molded you and guides every step of your life, including your exposure to death, disease, war, famine, and every conversation you have engaged in (whether for or against God). To know that the actions you take that effect others have a definate purpose behind them, and that they will have a positive benefit on others even if you or the other individual does not recognize the positive effect at the time of the action.

[queenannie]

That's beauty. Makes perfect sense, I don't know why I didn't understand. Now I do. Thanks!

[campbell34]

"The fig tree doesn't represent a person, or people, it is an instruction to be watching the passing 'seasons' so that we may know when the end of the Age is near. Although we cannot know the exact day and hour, there is no reason not to see it coming, and be ready."

-The fig tree has always been a symbol of Israel to suggest that it only reffering to the passing of the seasons would render this verse complete nonsense. If what you were saying was true, then all the Bible prophecies would have been fulfilled and all the Christians would be living in heaven right now.

"Besides, if Jehovah led the Israelites out of Egypt, so long ago, making them his people, then why did they have to wait until 1948 to become an official country? What authority greater than G-d's deemed that year the time they actually, officially became a nation? That doesn't even make any sense!"


-The God of the Bible stated that when the gentiles gave up their rule over Israel that would be the time when the prophetic clock would start to speed up. Two thousand years may seem like a long time to you but in god's timing it has only been 2 days. The reason He let this many generations go by is because He has been gathering souls. The reason He has brought the Jews back to Israel is to drive the world crazy. The world is going to find out that the same God that split the Red Sea is the same God that will protect Israel in these last days. The Jews in this process will finally reconize who their Messiah is. And so will the world.


Generation:

When Jesus said surely this generation will not passaway untill all endtime prophecies are fulfilled, He is not taking 40 or 70 years, He is saying that there will still be people alive from that generation. 1948: The year of the rule of the Gentiles ended.


Kharakov,

War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God.

-Why do you think it is God? I was under the impressing that we have free will.

God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.

-Jesus is God and I hope your alarm clock is ringing.

[POPthree13]

Generation:

When Jesus said surely this generation will not passaway untill all endtime prophecies are fulfilled, He is not taking 40 or 70 years, He is saying that there will still be people alive from that generation. 1948: The year of the rule of the Gentiles ended.

Christians have been claiming that since it was written. He clearly says 'this' generation.

Jesus is clearly not God or there would be no distinction between them. If you truly beleive that there is no difference then all of your messiah predictions are pretty misguided. Jesus clearly portrayed himself as a messenger. Sadly his message today has been lost in so many stories.

[InTheFlesh]

God you Joker!

[campbell34]

Popthree,

"Christians have been claiming that since it was written. He clearly says 'this' generation.

Jesus is clearly not God or there would be no distinction between them. If you truly beleive that there is no difference then all of your messiah predictions are pretty misguided. Jesus clearly portrayed himself as a messenger. Sadly his message today has been lost in so many stories."

-Christians always looked forward to Jesus returning. Yet our Generation is the first one to see the Jews return to Israel after two thousand years. The prophecy clock is now ticking. The fact that the Jews took South Israel first, and Jerusalem second, the fact that the East gate is still sealed, the fact Europe is coming together as a single nation, the fact that China can raise a 200 million man army, the fact that cities can be destroyed in one hours time and the fact that the Bible predicted all of this and so much more are signs that Jesus will return in this generation. And he does ask the question will there be any faith left on the earth when He returns?


-The Jews did not kill Jesus because He said he was a messenger, the Jews killed Jesus because He said he was God.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

[queenannie]

-The fig tree has always been a symbol of Israel to suggest that it only reffering to the passing of the seasons would render this verse complete nonsense. If what you were saying was true, then all the Bible prophecies would have been fulfilled and all the Christians would be living in heaven right now.The reason I put 'seasons' in quotes was so you wouldn't interpret my use as literal. First the fruit ripens, then it is harvested. The fruits of the spirit once again ripening is what we are to watch for. I definitely see that happening, but I think we're only at the start of the 'ripening'. There's a ways to go, yet, but we're in the home stretch, that I agree with.
Matthew 21:18-22 tells of the fig tree, as well.

18Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
20When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.
21Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."


What does that say to you?

Two thousand years may seem like a long time to you but in god's timing it has only been 2 days. There is no G-d's timing, time is a mechanism in place for mankind. The understanding that 1 day = 1000 years is an assumption made by those who assume a lot of other things. Assumptions = arrogance. Two thousand years is an Age. Jesus arrived at the beginning of the Piscean age, hence the Jesus fish symbolism (fishers of men). The next age is the Aquarian age, the 'water bearer', the bearer of holy water (not the pseudo holy water of the Pope's religion), living water, the waters of life, etc. That is the importance of baptism, also. 'The first is by water, the second by fire.'

The reason He has brought the Jews back to Israel is to drive the world crazy. The world is going to find out that the same God that split the Red Sea is the same God that will protect Israel in these last days. The Jews in this process will finally reconize who their Messiah is. And so will the world.The designation of Isreal to a location, a piece of land, is one source which creates massive misunderstanding. 'Isreal' means 'man who sees G-d'. As you know, it was the name given to Jacob, the father of the 12 tribes. It is the name of an entity, not the name for a geographical location or policitally recognized nation or group of wordly device. This is a declaration of man. 'Isreal' is the figs, but the Jewish nation is no longer the fig tree. No longer do they, as a group, match the description of 'man who sees G-d'. Jesus came and left, and after that all souls were eligible for salvation, not just the Jews. Any soul that is 'saved', 'sees G-d', and is a 'fig' of 'Isreal'.
As a group, the Jews already had their chance to recognize their Messiah. Now the chance is extended to all.

The continuous battle over the piece of land thought to be the promised land is a futile and inconsequential activity of violence that is solely the product of man's self-righteous/jealous delusions. There is a place in the bible, (and I can't remember where) where G-d plainly states that the strip of land in question will always be a source of wars and contention, because it will never again belong to man, G-d said that it was his land. He didn't qualify that in any way, and he didn't say he was going to allow anyone to peacefully dwell there, Jews, Isrealites, not anyone.


Generation:
When Jesus said surely this generation will not passaway untill all endtime prophecies are fulfilled, He is not taking 40 or 70 years, He is saying that there will still be people alive from that generation.Generation = age!

1948: The year of the rule of the Gentiles ended The rule of the Gentiles being defined as ....?

Kharakov,

War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God.

-Why do you think it is God? I was under the impressing that we have free will.All things negative belong to the world of matter, and are not caused by G-d. The cause is the same as those who are affected. That's about Karma, which is a mechanism of the world, not G-d.
Positive does not breed negative. Negative cannot produce positive.

God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.That's a good way to put it. I like that.

The alarm clock is ringing for all of us!

[Kharakov]

"War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God."

-Why do you think it is God? I was under the impressing that we have free will.Everything is caused by God (the Father). If you know the father you can recognize the truth.

God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.

-Jesus is God and I hope your alarm clock is ringing.Already did....already did.

[Kharakov]

All things negative belong to the world of matter, and are not caused by G-d. The cause is the same as those who are affected. That's about Karma, which is a mechanism of the world, not G-d.
Positive does not breed negative. Negative cannot produce positive.

You would not know what salvation is without Satan entering Judas-Jesus never would have died for your sins. Satan exerts God's will as well (sorta a footstool). "Negative" is necessary for the perfect plan to be carried out. Negative is only negative according to the wisdom of the world (secular ethics) but to true wisdom everything is good based on knowledge of God (gnosis).

[#include]

RpTheHotrod: People have the ability to choose their own actions
RpTheHotrod: that's what makes us human
RpTheHotrod: not robots
RpTheHotrod: I was going to be going to Georgia for a week. I looked forward to it ALL year
RpTheHotrod: gonna meet with people I've known online for 7 years
RpTheHotrod: but
RpTheHotrod: 2 weeks before it was time
RpTheHotrod: I asked God first...if I should go
RpTheHotrod: and got an immediate "No" for an answer.
RpTheHotrod: So I hung up on the airport and didnt buy the plane ticket
RpTheHotrod: canceled everything right then and there
RpTheHotrod: did God force me?
RpTheHotrod: no
RpTheHotrod: but I chose to listen
RpTheHotrod: I found out that a week before the event
RpTheHotrod: oh
RpTheHotrod: God told me it wouldn't work out btw
RpTheHotrod: I found out that a week before the event
RpTheHotrod: it got re-scheduled to 2005
RpTheHotrod: if I would have not listened...I would have blown $350 on a plane ticket
RpTheHotrod: because it didnt...work out
RpTheHotrod: just like God said
RpTheHotrod: God didnt command me to not go
RpTheHotrod: I asked Him and He said it won't work out
RpTheHotrod: and I choose to listen
RpTheHotrod: I could have chosen to go anyway
RpTheHotrod: either way
RpTheHotrod: it was my choice
RpTheHotrod: and I made the right one..and saved myself $350 :p

You always have a choice. True, God can use those who make a choice...but that choice is always theirs to make. The anti-christ will choose to try to do his dirty deeds, but God will use his choice and do whatever God's plans are for the end times.

[queenannie]

You would not know what salvation is without Satan entering Judas-Jesus never would have died for your sins. But if you look at Judas's betrayal as necessary for the plan to work, then how can we be sure it was Satan who entered?

Satan exerts God's will as well (sorta a footstool).I agree totally. Only the soul-endowed have free will to exercise in the pursuit of eternity. All others are bound to their fates. But that is more of the principle of order, not good vs. evil. For the force we label 'good', etc., there must be a force of opposition. One cannot recognize 'good' and 'bad' if only aware of one side of that duality. We can only recognize by comparison. 'Order' is the rule of the universe, and even chaos is orderly, as it is performing as it has been assigned. Darkness/'evil' can only be recognized as such if one also knows 'good'/light, and vice versa. Balance is only acquired with both positive and negative factors.
What you said was backwards:
True wisdom, which comes through gnosis, understands the principle of balance as such, and it is secular ethics which employs the use of qualitative words such as 'good' and 'right'.

[#include]

God knows what will happen, and plans His plans accordingly. He knew Judas would do that....so the plan was for the cross, and it worked out perfect.



God has the advantage of knowing what will happen, without a doubt.

[POPthree13]

Popthree,

-Christians always looked forward to Jesus returning. Yet our Generation is the first one to see the Jews return to Israel after two thousand years. The prophecy clock is now ticking.

-The Jews did not kill Jesus because He said he was a messenger, the Jews killed Jesus because He said he was God.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7
I sincerely doubt that you were alive to see the Jews regain Israel. That generation ended officially in the 1970's.
The Jews killed Jesus because he didn't teach what they wanted to hear. I like how you had to insert Jesus in you statement of proof. What kind of proof is that?

[loveflower]

did everyone else get the page about too much testosterone? or was that just me?

[campbell34]

POPthree13,

"I sincerely doubt that you were alive to see the Jews regain Israel."

-The fact that I was not alive when the Jews returned is meaningless. This is a historical fact. So what you are trying to say is history does not occur unless you live it.

"That generation ended officially in the 1970's."

-Where on earth do you get a generation ending in 22 years?? Jesus said, Surely this generation will not pass away until all end time prophecies be fulfill. Therefore, there will be people still alive from 1948 when all endtime prophecies of the Bible will be fulfilled. Is there people still alive today that were born in 1948-yes.

"The Jews killed Jesus because he didn't teach what they wanted to hear."

-According to Matthew 26:63 & 64, the high priest asked Jesus if he was the son of the living God. Jesus replied, "You shall see the son of man on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." The high priest knew that Jesus was claiming to be God and stated, "He hath spoken blashemy; what further need have we of witnesses?" What they did not want to hear is that He was God and that is why they killed him.

"I like how you had to insert Jesus in you statement of proof. What kind of proof is that?"

-So lets see now you tell me you have been a missionary and you have greatly studied the Bible yet you have never heard of the term "the word." Because of your statement I real question how much of a student of the Bible you are. The term the word is universally accepted through Christianity as reference to Christ. The reason Christ is referred as the word is because of verses like this, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" - John 1:14. I put Jesus in quotations so those who were not familar with scripture would know. Being the Bible scholar you are, I thought you would have comprehended that.

[rasa4jc]

It has been so long since my first post that I think I am forgotten. But Hi everyone!

Campbell... You have some good proofs. I like how you are a man of the Word and you don't play around with the truth lightly. Unless a person fears God, they won't believe Him.

[rasa4jc]

If there was one concept that I cannot stand it is the concept of "opinion" being taken as "personal truth". In the end, not one opinion will stand its ground. Not mine. Not anyone's. There is not one opinion that will not be tested by the TRUTH eventually and be prooven or disprooven.
Opinion has no firm foundation. Some people say "there is no such thing as a wrong opinion." But that is just a stupid saying. There are many wrong opinions. I sugest that people get over themselves and their opinions and find out what the truth is. God honors people who are really looking for the truth. But for the person who wants to continue believing in their opinion because they are more comfortable with it... well that is not honorable.
Chew on those thoughts... Even I have to. Adios.

[cerridwen]

okay.... um.... so what?

[POPthree13]

Campbell -

A generation is the avergae time it takes to have offspring. You are a different generation than your parents... dig? That generation has ended. If Jesus meant a lifetime I suggest he may have said so. WHy are people always trying to read stuff into scripture that just isn't their. If the God who wrote your bible is the one and only living God I would be scared shitless if I were you. I wouldn't take kindly to people misusing my words and twisting my meanings to fit their beleif systems.

Yes, I understand the technicality the priests forced Jesus into to finalize his capture. But I guess you are unaware that he was at odds with those folks long before this single event. Jesus preached a message of simplicity, love and selflessness. He told them not to pray in the streets, not to amass possessions, that the path to God is between you and God - not in the temple. This is why the Romans and priests feared him. He told us that we don't need church to find God and we don't need money to be successful.

I know many christians replace The Word with Jesus - but there is not one shread of evidence anywhere that this is what was intended. The word meant the scriptures pure and simple. Catholisism was the first to draw a connection between the Word and the Messiah.

[campbell34]

popthree,

A generation is the avergae time it takes to have offspring. You are a different generation than your parents... dig? That generation has ended. If Jesus meant a lifetime I suggest he may have said so.

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."-Matt. 24:34

-Jesus ment that specific generation would not die.

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) definition of pass:

To cease to exist; die. Often used with on: The patient passed on during the night.



I want to say more but I have little time. I am going on a fishing trip in MN and would be back until August 14. Leave your rebuttle and I will read it when I get back.

[POPthree13]

OK Campbell.. you are always right. You and you alone understood was Jesus was saying and because your church told you it was so we must all stretch our understanding to conform to your (and your religions) way of interpretting. He did say "THIS" generation, so simply put why do you assume he meant a generation 2000 years from now... of yeah I remember... israel etc. etc. ALl of this is EXTREMELY loose interpretations supported by nothing except YOUR strong will. You are not the first to beleive that he meant OUR generation. As I have stated.. Christians throughout history have beleived he meant there generation for a number of reasons. Now you have yours and YOU must be right.


We can not assume what Jesus meant when he said that. But I would venture to say that when those around him heard it they thought he meant 'this generation'. Them. Not us. That generation DID pass. And a Generation passes every time a new generation is born.

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

Generation:

All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor: Mother and daughters represent two generations.


The average interval of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring.

[Kharakov]

Don't you think he meant that every generation must have their own specific revelation of God?

[queenannie]

Don't you think he meant that every generation must have their own specific revelation of God?By 'he', are you referring to Campbell or Jesus?