Caricatures about Satan (devil), by images

[catstevens]

Hi everyone :), I hope you all are fine and happy Amen

Here are some images for the cursed Satan which I translated into English, but I put the Arabic version too ©®

Have a nice fun time

It is notable that You can be stronger than Satan, by feeding your soul with righteousness and other good pure righteous things and deeds, your soul becomes hungry too not just your stomach and body :) and don't just blame Satan all the time blame yourself too.

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

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Satan in the Gospel

Matthew: 4:6:

… He said [the Satan]: throw yourself down. For it is written: he will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.7: Jesus answered him, it is also written; Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

Mark: 4:

3: Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4: As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5: some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6: but when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7: other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear again. 8: still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times.

Parable of the sower explained

Mark: 4:

13: then Jesus said to them, don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14: the farmer sows the word. 15: some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16: others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17: but since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18: still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19: but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20: others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop-thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.

21: he said to them, do you bring in a lamp to put it under a bowl or a bed? Instead, don't you put it on its stand? 22: for whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. 23: if anyone has ears to hear, let him hear. :)

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[catstevens]

there is still one more cartoon perhaps I will post it tomorrow :)
see ya

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

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[Kharakov]

The beauty of a womens body and the pleasure of sex, music, and entertainment are gifts from Allah that those who believe in Satan (the great lie) are afraid to partake in because of their lack of faith (in Allah).

It is better for you to know that all gifts come from Allah, and not to judge these gifts as evil so that you can love your maker through and through.

To think that a womens beauty, a cigarette, music, or any of Allah's gift come from an evil source (Satan) is to be an unbeliever, to doubt the grace and bountifulness of Allah, the source of beauty, pleasure, companionship and grace. Do not throw these things into the trashheap of your soul, but understand them as beautiful bounties that Allah grants unto us as wedding gifts in our souls marriage with Allah.

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

who believe in Satan (the great lie)

Satan the great lie! That means you're neither Christian, nor Jew! If you don't mind what is your religion?

are afraid to partake in because of their lack of faith (in Allah).

Having sex, marriage, entertainments are lawful in Islam? But yeah having sex before marriage is prohibited,

Quraan: 28:77:

… And forget not your portion of lawful enjoyment in this world; and do good as Allah has been good to you, and seek not mischief in the land. Verily, Allah likes not the Mufsidun (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupters)

Quraan: 3: 14:

Beautified for mankind is the love of they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world's life; and Allah has the excellent return with him (Paradise with flowing rivers etc)

It is better for you to know that all gifts come from Allah, and not to judge these gifts as evil so that you can love your maker through and through.

You lost me, I think. I meant enjoy them unlawfully. The meaning of image 3; the dress in Satan's hand is lawful for women to wear it in front of hear husband, children etc, but not in the street where there are men who the women shouldn't wear like this in front of them, the Satan said: look! Don't tell me that its price hadn't happened, and if it isn't in clearance sale, it isn't something to miss it. This is your wife when she will wear it the people will lick it for its sweetness, and of course every body will ask "whose wife is she?" who is fortunate as you uncle?

And image4; I think you get it after reading the meaning of image 3.



To think that a womens beauty, a cigarette, music, or any of Allah's gift

Do you consider cigarette as a gift from Allah? I.e. it is lawful to smoke?

Anyway it is prohibited in my religion for everything which harms you is prohibited. Actually smoking is a slow suicide.



Unfortunately Satan is truth, you can make sure of it if you want but there is risk sometimes in some ways to prove it. myself when I believed that Quraan is Allah's word and I have the proofs that he is revealed from Allah, then I will believe what ever he states, Allah stated in many verses concerning Satan, devils and jinn, Christians believe in these things too that because actually Gospel and Quraan revealed from Allah :)

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What is that tangy, musky smell?

You like it? It is my tangy musky smell :) my smell reached you, it is good that you like it.

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

[IronGoth]

The translations are even funnier than engrish.com. But I appreciate them nonetheless.

I thought Satan was supposed to live up your nose.

Al-Bukhari Volume 4 Number 516
The Prophet said, 'If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.'

[Kharakov]

Satan the great lie! That means you're neither Christian, nor Jewish! Not necessarily. A mature christian knows all things are pure (titus 1:15 'To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.')


A true Jew does not believe in Satan as an independant force, but sees everything as coming from God. From http://jewfaq.org/g-d.htm :

'Everything in the universe was created by G-d and only by G-d. Judaism completely rejects the dualistic notion that evil was created by Satan or some other deity. All comes from G-d. As Isaiah said, "I am the L-rd, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I am the L-rd, that does all these things." (Is. 45:6-7).'


Even you not knowing this is caused by God because you can only know what God teaches you.
If you don't mind what is your religion?

I do not claim a specific religion as my own, but if you read the G-d description on Jewfaw.org, it closely matches my own experience of God that God has granted me, expecially the quote from Isaiah ^^^ up there.


Having sex, marriage, entertainments are lawful in Islam? But yeah having sex before marriage is prohibited,

Quraan: 28:77:

… And forget not your portion of lawful enjoyment in this world; and do good as Allah has been good to you, and seek not mischief in the land. Verily, Allah likes not the Mufsidun (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupters)

Quraan: 3: 14:

Beautified for mankind is the love of they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world's life; and Allah has the excellent return with him (Paradise with flowing rivers etc)

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You lost me, I think. I meant enjoy them unlawfully.
Ok. I agree that we should enjoy them in a way that is not hurtful to ourselves or others (as Allah intends).
This is your wife when she will wear it the people will lick it for its sweetness, and of course every body will ask "whose wife is she?" who is fortunate as you uncle?
I am against the spread of strife, but not against the spread of love. As we will be as angels in the next life, not one bound to one other in marriage, but instead bound to all in love, I see the sharing and public display of beauty as something that we should get used too. Of course, it can arise feelings of discomfort to see Allah granting better things to your brothers than what Allah grants to your self. This does not mean that Allah should hide Allah's actions however. As Allah chooses to grant some with greater wealth, beauty, and life, Allah is honest when Allah displays this to those that Allah gives less too.

Do you consider cigarette as a gift from Allah? I.e. it is lawful to smoke?
Yes. Everything which brings happiness and pleasure is a gift of simplicity. Everything that brings pain is a gift of learning to appreciate complexity.

Anyway it is prohibited in my religion for everything which harms you is prohibited. Actually smoking is a slow suicide.
Since Allah is all powerful, Allah can make someone who smokes lives a longer and better life than someone who does not smoke if Allah wills. The truth is that doubting Allah's beneficience and mercy is slow suicide, but smoking is not as it is a gift from Allah. You must learn to rely upon Allah's divine goodness, not your religion's prohibition, in order to be a mature creation of God.



Unfortunately Satan is truth, you can make sure of it if you want but there is risk sometimes in some ways to prove it.
It is only right to put another power before Allah in fiction, when Allah uses the entity as part of a story. To believe this lie is to be caught up in the story that Allah has created and lose sight of the truth, that Allah is the all powerful one who moves all things. Perhaps Allah's will is for some not to know the truth, to be caught up in the fiction, which is why they act as they do.

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You like it? It is my tangy musky smell :) my smell reached you, it is good that you like it.

Lol :)

[catstevens]

IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

The translations are even funnier than engrish.com.

I'm gonna take a look at that website, by the way the Arabic version actually is written in the Egyptian accent.



Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

A mature christian knows all things are pure (titus 1:15 'To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.')

For Muslims they know that Satan was very good and pious but sadly he changed and repelled against Allah :(, so he was pure once upon the time.

Satan in the Gospel is found in Matthew: 4:6 and Mark: 4: 15

A true Jew does not believe in Satan as an independant force, but sees everything as coming from God.

They believe in him in his existence anyway, so he isn't the great lie, what I understand from ''the great lie'' the great legend! Something that people made it up i.e. he doesn't exist, or do you mean something else by ''the great lie''?

As Isaiah said, "I am the L-rd, and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I am the L-rd, that does all these things." (Is. 45:6-7).' Even you not knowing this is caused by God because you can only know what God teaches you.

I believe strongly that there is only one God one Lord who created every thing as he states in the Quraan.

Everything that brings pain is a gift of learning to appreciate complexity. .

Myself, If it is a gift of learning it doesn't mean to practice or test that pain when you knew that, that thing is harmful 'cause that thing which brings pain could kill you so don't test it.

It is only right to put another power before Allah in fiction, when Allah uses the entity as part of a story. To believe this lie is to be caught up in the story that Allah has created and lose sight of the truth, that Allah is the all powerful one who moves all things. Perhaps Allah's will is for some not to know the truth, to be caught up in the fiction, which is why they act as they do.



Do you know the story of Satan which is written in the Quraan did you read it?

Once I wanted to write a thread regarding Satan in Islamic belief but I didn't, anyway, Kharakov do you consider yourself Christian or Jewish, what it is written in your passport :) you don't have to answer this of course if you don't want to.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[IronGoth]

RE: but a lotta these people being terrorized by ticked of black muslim kids are the very ones that wouldn't give one a job if their life depended on it.

Please do! I'd read it. I am fascinated (but don't believe in) the flipsides of the various religions. For Santeria there is Palo Mayombe, there are bokors for every houns'i, and in this instance, a Shaitan against Allah.

[catstevens]

IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

RE: but a lotta these people being terrorized by ticked of black muslim kids are the very ones that wouldn't give one a job if their life depended on it.

If you are talking to me, then what are you talking about? I.e. what are you commenting on exactly? Which sentence? Which paragraph?

Please do! I'd read it. I am fascinated (but don't believe in) the flipsides of the various religions.

I will try to write it, the problem is that I don't have enough time to do so :(, I am busy all the time every single day but I am so happy with this busyness. IronGoth: Can I say that you don't believe in Satan in his existence.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[IronGoth]

That was weird. I didn't write that that way but quoted elsewhere.

[ryupower]

lol, those are funny depictions of that jerk. :P

[nitemarehippygirl]

...Everything which brings happiness and pleasure is a gift of simplicity. Everything that brings pain is a gift of learning to appreciate complexity.


Since Allah is all powerful, Allah can make someone who smokes lives a longer and better life than someone who does not smoke if Allah wills. The truth is that doubting Allah's beneficience and mercy is slow suicide, but smoking is not as it is a gift from Allah. You must learn to rely upon Allah's divine goodness, not your religion's prohibition, in order to be a mature creation of God.



It is only right to put another power before Allah in fiction, when Allah uses the entity as part of a story. To believe this lie is to be caught up in the story that Allah has created and lose sight of the truth, that Allah is the all powerful one who moves all things. Perhaps Allah's will is for some not to know the truth, to be caught up in the fiction, which is why they act as they do.thoughtful and sage is kharakov, what a great reply

[Kharakov]

Once I wanted to write a thread regarding Satan in Islamic belief but I didn't, anyway, Kharakov do you consider yourself Christian or Jewish, what it is written in your passport :) you don't have to answer this of course if you don't want to. I belong to God, not a religion.

[SaintStephen]

...Everything which brings happiness and pleasure is a gift of simplicity. Everything that brings pain is a gift of learning to appreciate complexity.


Since Allah is all powerful, Allah can make someone who smokes lives a longer and better life than someone who does not smoke if Allah wills. The truth is that doubting Allah's beneficience and mercy is slow suicide, but smoking is not as it is a gift from Allah. You must learn to rely upon Allah's divine goodness, not your religion's prohibition, in order to be a mature creation of God.


It is only right to put another power before Allah in fiction, when Allah uses the entity as part of a story. To believe this lie is to be caught up in the story that Allah has created and lose sight of the truth, that Allah is the all powerful one who moves all things. Perhaps Allah's will is for some not to know the truth, to be caught up in the fiction, which is why they act as they do.



I belong to God, not a religion.
Right on man! Very well put.

[IronGoth]

PS the word you're looking for is "cartoon" not "caricature"

a caricature is a drawing exaggerating someone's facial features for humorous effect.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/caricatures/arafat.gif

[nitemarehippygirl]

PS the word you're looking for is "cartoon" not "caricature"

a caricature is a drawing exaggerating someone's facial features for humorous effect.

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/caricatures/arafat.giflol...... i really think that's the least of the linguistic errors up there. :p

[Kharakov]

thoughtful and sage is kharakov, what a great reply [/left]
Good nitemare.... nice nitemare...

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

I belong to God, not a religion.

And does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him? Who is your god exactly? What is his name? Who is that god you are talking about?



IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

the word you're looking for is "cartoon" not "caricature" a caricature is a drawing exaggerating someone's facial features for humorous effect.

Actually, when I wanted to write a title for this thread I wrote caricature which is By the way called caricatures in the Arabic language too but with a small difference of the way to pronounce it and but I wanted to be more sure so I read the definition for caricature:

The word "caricature" can also apply to a person or thing that displays behaviour or mannerisms that are ridiculously exaggerated and overly stereotypical (http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Stereotype). Click (http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/caricature)

Caricature: (?), n. 1. An exaggeration, or distortion by exaggeration, of parts or characteristics, as in a picture.
2. A picture or other figure or description in which the peculiarities of a person or thing are so exaggerated as to appear ridiculous; a burlesque; a parody. Click (http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/caricature)



So then I said why not using it I can see some similarities between it and cartoon, anyway it isn't a big deal.

:) however thank you for the clarification.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[IronGoth]

Well, in that usage of caricature, it's usually in prose or a written description.

[catstevens]

IronGoth
Well, in that usage of caricature, it's usually in prose or a written description.I see, thanks :)

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

[Kharakov]

Catstevens- I could not reply to your private message because your mailbox is full.


Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)







And does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him?
No.
Who is your god exactly?
There is only one God.
What is his name?
God has many names. You call God "Allah". I call God God, or Allah, or You, or silly names when God makes me giggle.
Who is that god you are talking about?



There is only one God, if you do not know this you do not know God. God is One.

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

Catstevens- I could not reply to your private message because your mailbox is full.

There is empty space now.

There is only one God, if you do not know this you do not know God. God is One.

Wow monotheism, :) I am happy to read this,

you have answered with ''no'' when I asked you "does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him?''

So, the God that you believe in him does he have a religion? Try to look for this issue, to look for what does the God wants from us in this life to do, does he want us to believe in his existence only or to worship him too or what, what is the purpose of our creation? Go and search my brother may Allah grants you success and happiness in your this life and hereafter Amen.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)







There is empty space now.
K bro, I am on it...




Wow monotheism, :) I am happy to read this,

you have answered with ''no'' when I asked you "does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him?''

So, the God that you believe in him does he have a religion?
God has made lots of religions. Each for specific purposes. You know how you revealed that cool thing about Allah's name in that other thread? Well, if you put all the religions together, in each of them, you can discern a unique divine pattern that Allah has put into them.
Try to look for this issue, to look for what does the God wants from us in this life to do, does he want us to believe in his existence only or to worship him too or what, what is the purpose of our creation?
To enjoy Allah and our brothers and sisters companionship.
Go and search my brothermay Allah grants you success and happiness in your this life and hereafter Amen.
You too. :)

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

To enjoy Allah and our brothers and sisters companionship.

How did you know that? Did he tell you that? Or there is a book of him and you read this in his book? If I want to know more about your God's teaching which book I have to refer to?

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)







How did you know that? Did he tell you that? Or there is a book of him and you read this in his book? If I want to know more about your God's teaching which book I have to refer to?


I see.

This is the thing, you only receive this teaching from God. There is no intermediary (book, priest, etc.). I can talk of it, but until you receive the lesson from God, you will not understand.

It is the Day of Judgement (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the Koran).

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

This is the thing, you only receive this teaching from God.

How can you distinguish between whether it's from God what you have received or from your own thoughts and desires or from Satan's whisper, Oh you don't believe in him, forget it.

There is no intermediary (book, priest, etc.). I can talk of it, but until you receive the lesson from God, you will not understand.
It is the Day of Judgement (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the Koran).

What a contradiction! Oh, you aren't serious

There is no intermediary (book) so why then you have said:

It is the Day of Judgment (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the

Koran).

Qur [2.85] … then do you believe in a part of the scripture and reject the rest? You just believe in that which is matching your desires and what you like, you believe in a part from each religion according to your own choice? It seems to me that?

However, '' I worship not that which you worship '' 109:2 '' And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping" 109:4

"To you be your religion, and to me my religion'' 109:6

'' (either) we or you are rightly guided or in plain error'' 34:24

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

How can you distinguish between whether it's from God what you have received or from your own thoughts and desires or from Satan's whisper, Oh you don't believe in him, forget it.
My own thoughts and desires are from God, even the ones that are incomplete or incorrect.




What a contradiction! Oh, you aren't serious

There is no intermediary (book) so why then you have said:

It is the Day of Judgment (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the

Koran).
There is no contradiction. You can read the books description of it after experiencing it and you recognize what it is.

It is like knowing what gravity is after experiencing it and reading about it in a book the first time (never having seen the word gravity before). The description of the word gravity describes what it is... just like the description of the Day of Judgement describes what it is- a familiar thing which I have experienced.
Qur [2.85]… then do you believe in a part of the scripture and reject the rest?
No. I believe in God and what God has revealed to me. What is correct in the scripture, I agree with. What is incorrect in the scripture I do not agree with. I do not go by the scripture, I go by what God has taught me. There are parts of the scripture which are incorrect. For example: it is not wrong to eat pork or drink wine.
You just believe in that which is matching your desires and what you like, you believe in a part from each religion according to your own choice?
No. I believe in what God has revealed to me.
Do not elevate any scripture above your direct relationship with God. You should know this without reading it in a book. Allah is with us and cares for us.
However,'' I worship not that which you worship '' 109:2 '' And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping" 109:4

"To you be your religion, and to me my religion'' 109:6
There is only one all powerful God. There is more than one way to worship God.


'' (either) we or you are rightly guided or in plain error'' 34:24
34.43 "And when Our clear communications are recited to them, they say: This is naught but a man who desires to turn you away from that which your fathers worshipped. And they say: This is naught but a lie that is forged. And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it comes to them: This is only clear enchantment."

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

You can read the books description of it after experiencing it and you recognize what it is.,

But what if you will not experience everything? Then you will not believe in the other things which could be 100% right. What you experienced could be totally different from one to another and one is claiming that he is receiving something or teaching from God exactly as you are saying and what he is experiencing doesn't match with yours? What a mess? You have said: It isn't up to you whether God reveals God's existence to you- it is a gift from God.

we discussed that enough but i will add, What if a person received from God that you have to worship and believe in him and it is up to? You are claiming that God revealed to you such and such and Muhammad had said that he revealed from Allah such and such? Who shall we believe? Of course who has the evidence? You may say believe in what is revealed to you because everything is a gift! How is that? I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me! Hey! Where are we! What are thinking about?

your religion (Kharakovism) is unbearable mess? Glorified is you God This is mess! God isn't like this he is sage OK!



If you will give me an answer or reply based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, I don't have time for this, keep it for you that because I believe in another God, even if you will say that God is one, for the God who you are talking about is different from mine. You have to give your self in the first place then me the proofs that what you are talking about is from god every body can claim. However let's put an end to this mockery, it isn't a serious discussion, we are just repeating the same issues in different ways.



It is really unbearable contradictions, you said in post # 27

God has made lots of religions.

And you said that god is one, and you said:

There is no intermediary (book, priest, etc.). I can talk of it,

And

those who believe in Satan (the great lie) are afraid to partake in because of their lack of faith (in Allah).
It is better for you to know that all gifts come from Allah, and not to judge these gifts as evil so that you can love your maker through and through.
To think that a womens beauty, a cigarette, music, or any of Allah's gift





All of them are huge contradictions? If God has made lots of religions as you said then don't sneer at Islamic prohibitions for we are one of his religions!!

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[catstevens]

What is correct in the scripture, I agree with. What is incorrect in the scripture I do not agree with.

How can you distinguish between the correct and incorrect? What is your criterion? Why did choose this criterion specifically? If it is from god, how did your God tell you about this criterion, in a book, dream, or what? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, that because I believe in another God.



There is more than one way to worship God.

Tell me more about the other ways. Or keep it.

There are parts of the scripture which are incorrect. For example: it is not wrong to eat pork or drink wine.

According to what you based this result?

[2.169]

He (Satan) commands you only what is evil and shameful and that you should say against Allah what you know not (that which you have no knowledge)

[22.8]

And among men is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge or guidance, or a book of enlightenment (from Allah) 9. Bending his neck in pride (far astray from the path of Allah) and leading (others) too (far) astray from the path of Allah (disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the path of Allah

34.43 "And when Our clear communications are recited to them

[34.43] and when our clear verses are recited to them.

What are these clear verses? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you , that because I believe in another God.



This is naught but a man who desires to turn you away from that which your fathers worshipped.

1. Who brought this verse 34.43 to us from Allah? Of course Muhammad who didn't claim that he made it up. This is naught but a man this man is Muhammad, so Allah is saying, that when his clear verses are recited to them by Muhammad they say this is naught, so I am following this man who brought this Quraan from Allah.

And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it comes to them: This is only clear enchantment."

What is that truth? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, that because I believe in another God.

Keep your belief and i will keep mine
Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

But what if you will not experience everything? Then you will not believe in the other things which could be 100% right.

Rely upon God's discipline. God will show you whether something is right or wrong.

A person can read a book describing something, never having seen it, and have a different picture in their mind then what the book describes.

You are claiming that God revealed to you such and suchand Muhammad had said that he revealed from Allah such and such?Who shall we believe? Of course who has the evidence? You may say believe in what is revealed to you because everything is a gift! How is that?

Allah does not give us what is bad. Allah directs our steps. Even pain (discipline) is a gift, although those who lack discipline (fools) rage against it for they do not perceive that it is for their own good.

I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me! Hey! Where are we! What are thinking about?

So, Allah cannot joke with Allah's children? Don't eat the pork, I will send you to hell for that great evil.

your religion (Kharakovism) is unbearable mess?No, but yours is pretty silly. Bowing to Mecca? The whole idea is silly. Then again, the Christian idea of worshiping Jesus is just as silly. I can't really single out a single religion as completely serious. God has placed jokes in every single one. Seriously, you have to get God's sense of humor.

The prohibition against pork is totally silly. When I was a child, yet to perceive God's presence, my parents served me pork chops, sausage, etc. God would not cause a child to be born into a situation in which it will eat something that is bad for it. For some reason, my parents never feed me cyanide or pesticides, probably because they would harm me. Of course, I am allergic to shellfish (as God has made me), and if I eat them I will throw up and get sick. Perhaps God has caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them, just in case. Perhaps, because Allah has made so many allergic to peanuts, a prohibition against peanut containing foods should be added to the Koran. Then again, most people aren't allergic to peanuts, but it is a dangerous allergy. Then again, God can ressurect us into a new body not allergic to peanuts.

You never know what pranks God will pull on our next body. Perhaps we will be allergic to Mecca.
All of them are huge contradictions? If God has made lots of religions as you said then don't sneer at Islamic prohibitions for we are one of his religions!! I laugh at your religious prohibitions (as you should), I do not sneer at them. I am sure God causes me to do things that will make you laugh as well. I won't tell you what they are though. Not yet.

Perhaps after God legitimizes my religion, you can laugh at it. I won't mind. I am not a proud soul, I am but a humble soul within God's almighty presence.

[Kharakov]

How can you distinguish between the correct and incorrect? What is your criterion? Why did choose this criterion specifically?
I am with God. God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect. You know how you can follow a trail by looking at it, or if it is dark, you can follow it because the path is harder then the surrounding soil and plants? I sense God, what God wishes me to do, and I want to do it, for I know that God's will is good.

Those who are blind follow other paths. They follow the paths of laws and prohibitions, because these souls are hardened against God, they do not feel God's presence guiding them in every decision, so they need something other than God's presence.
If it is from god, how did your God tell you about this criterion, in a book, dream, or what?
It is from God. Divine guidance. Books, dreams, words with strangers, Qadar, etc.


And among men is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge or guidance, or a book of enlightenment (from Allah)
I have knowledge, guidance, and many books of enlightenment that come from God.
What is that truth? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, that because I believe in another God.









Keep your belief and i will keep mine
God will teach you the truth once you are broken. You must be broken, like every soul, so that you understand that all that happens is Allah's will.

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

God will show you whether something is right or wrong.



OK, what he showed me is right he showed you (as you claim) is wrong! What a mess! Come on! I can claim you can every body can.

So, Allah cannot joke with Allah's children?

1. Cannot joke! You once said:

You do not know Allah. Allah does lovingly joke with Allah's creation. Even the thought of Allah being unjust is a joke, for Allah cannot be unjust (except as a joke).

And:

God has placed jokes in every single one. Seriously, you have to get God's sense of humor.



2. Allah doesn't have children.



I said:

your religion (Kharakovism) is unbearable mess?

You replied:

No, but yours is pretty silly.

So you have a religion then? Which is an innovation innovated from you. How many are your followers prophet Kharacov?

Bowing to Mecca?

Dear, I am neither bowing to Mecca (city) nor Kabba I am bowing to Allah, the Kabba which Muslims turn towards when praying, and Allah commanded us all Muslims to bow to him in the prayer towards the Kabba.



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I can't really single out a single religion as completely serious.

You get firstly completely serious in this issue (God) and his true religion).

God would not cause a child to be born into a situation in which it will eat something that is bad for it.

Parents would cause a child to be born into a situation in which it will eat something that is bad for it.

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

For some reason, my parents never feed me cyanide or pesticides, probably because they would harm me.

Don't say for some reason, or probably they would harm me of course you know the answer, but wait prophet you said that everything is a gift from God so cyanide or pesticides are gifts too it isn't harmful! Exactly as the cigarette!

Perhaps God has caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them

No dear prophet, if God has caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them as you said so why did Allah state in his book that we have to convey the message (Islam) for non-Arab too, rather to all mankind, black and white? And when I say the message or Islam it is includes its prohibition, commands and everything related to it.

a prohibition against peanut containing foods should be added to the Koran.

Actually you can find this prohibition has been added in the Quraan somehow, do you know how, when Allah commanded us that whatever harms you then you shouldmust leave it to don't harm yourself and harming yourself is prohibited dear prophet in Islam.

I laugh at your religious prohibitions , I do not sneer at them.

My religious prohibitions came from my religion which is one of God's religions as you claimed that he made many religions, you didn't laugh you described them as silly so you are sneering at it! And when you described it silly that means you are describing God with it as well? You said that not eating pork is silly then you said your theory about allergy!! Once you take it (the prohibition of eating pork) as a wisdom once as a joke?

Now get real and serious OK!!!



I am with God. God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect.

Again, I will repeat, I can claim too as everybody else that God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect, e.g. I said example, you felt that Islam is incorrect and I felt that Islam is correct and we together claiming that God causes us to feel so! What a mess! Again, I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me! What a mess? What a mockery!! What an insane army commander, he wouldn't can make army ever never. So you are talking about your own desires and thoughts and if you will repeat your desires from god I already discussed this so please stop this whirligig. OK for it won't end.

They follow the paths of laws and prohibitions, because these souls are hardened against God, they do not feel God's presence guiding them in every decision, so they need something other than God's presence.



Well, prophet! If I will talk as you are doing then I could say, well, you still didn't receive from God what I received you still in one of its primary levels to get to our level, so work hard ! my regards.



I asked you:

how did your God tell you about this criterion, in a book, dream, or what?

You replied:

It is from God. Divine guidance. Books, etc.

And:

I have knowledge, guidance, and many books of enlightenment that come from God.

I once asked you post # 29: there is a book of him (Allah)? You replied:

There is no intermediary (book, priest, etc.).

And this contradiction isn't new , however please don't comment on this you already did and I commented on it so please stop it for this is an infinite whirligig, so keep it.

But name these books please.

God will teach you the truth once you are broken.

Again If I will talk as you are doing then I could say: You still aren't in our level which is higher than yours, work hard.

Please we took off the topic enough; continue in the private messages if you want to but without repeating i.e. the infinite whirligig.

YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

[Kharakov]

1.Cannot joke!You once said:


And:





2.Allah doesn't have children.
Ok. Allah cannot joke. And I except that all of the children ever created by Allah are not Allah's. :p
So you have a religion then? Which is an innovation innovated from you. How many are your followers prophet Kharacov?
Religion (from m-w.com) : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
None.




Dear, I am neither bowing to Mecca (city) nor Kabba I am bowing to Allah, the Kabba which Muslims turn towards when praying, and Allah commanded us all Muslims to bow to him in the prayer towards the Kabba.





Ok.

[Kharakov]

Don't say for some reason, or probably they would harm me of course you know the answer, but wait prophet you said that everything is a gift from God so cyanide or pesticides are gifts too it isn't harmful! Exactly as the cigarette!

Some you shouldn't eat. Like pork, cyanide, and wine. Unfortunately for me, Allah feeds me pork and wine (although they have not killed me yet). Perhaps Allah has made me stronger than you, which is why I can drink wine, eat pork, and smoke cigarettes. Perhaps it is best if you do not do these things, because Allah has made you weaker.

No dear prophet, if God has "caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them" as you said so why did Allah state in his book that we have to convey the message (Islam) for non-Arab too, rather to all mankind, black and white? And when I say the message or Islam it is includes its prohibition, commands and everything related to it.Seriously, don't you think it's funny to tell someone they will go to hell for eating a pork chop? Perhaps your religion is the funniest religion there is. Since it is a joke, I think Allah wants everyone to hear it.Actually you can find this prohibition has been added in the Quraan somehow, do you know how, when Allah commanded us that whatever harms you then you shouldmust leave it to don't harm yourself and harming yourself is prohibited dear prophet in Islam.

I agree.

My religious prohibitions came from my religion which is one of God's religions as you claimed that he made many religions, you didn't laugh you described them as silly so you are sneering at it! And when you described it silly that means you are describing God with it as well? You said that not eating pork is silly then you said your theory about allergy!! Once you take it (the prohibition of eating pork) as a wisdom once as a joke?

Yes. God is silly. So are you. I am not though. I have the power of not being silly, which no other being in the universe has (because God is silly).

Now get real and serious OK!!!You aren't making it very easy.
Again, I will repeat, I can claim too as everybody else that God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect, e.g. I said example, you felt that Islam is incorrect and I felt that Islam is correct and we together claiming that God causes us to feel so! What a mess!
You just have to perceive Islam correctly. If you take it seriously, you don't get it.
Again, I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me!
Yeah, God is pretty funny. I love God.
What a mess? What a mockery!! What an insane army commander, he wouldn't can make army ever never. So you are talking about your own desires and thoughts and if you will repeat your desires from god I already discussed this so please stop this whirligig. OK for it won't end.
Whirligig!!! I want one.
Well, prophet! If I will talk as you are doing then I could say, well, you still didn't receive from God what I received you still in one of its primary levels to get to our level, so work hard ! my regards Yes. But word your words mean the same thing to you when they come from your mouth as my words mean to me?
But name these books please.
Koran. Bible. The Taking. Etc. Lots of books by God.
Again If I will talk as you are doing then I could say: You still aren't in our level which is higher than yours, work hard.
No. I won't work hard.
continue in the private messages if you want to but without repeating i.e. the infinite whirligig.



But I like the whirligig. It is so funny. Whirligiggles and stuff..

[IronGoth]

Cat: let me ask you this.

If Issa is a prophet, and Issa ate "forbidden" (haram) food saying "it's not what goes into your mouth that condemns you but what comes out" then why is it that Allah later reversed direction again and prohibited swine, etc? Was Issa lying?

Here's what I don't get about Islam. The Koran contradicts the Injil, yet you're supposed to respect the Injil?

[catstevens]

Hey! Why my font size is large in post # 37! I didn't choose this size!

However,

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

Ok. Allah cannot joke. And I except that all of the children ever created by Allah are not Allah's.

That's why, I felt you are not discussing seriously, and for many other examples too.

Some you shouldn't eat. Like pork, cyanide, and wine.

Ah, you aren't serious you know that, you based that on what, or you know forget it, don't answer, for this is an infinite unbearable whirligig :)

Perhaps it is best if you do not do these things, because Allah has made you weaker.

Rather, you still didn't reach to my higher level than yourJ

Seriously, don't you think it's funny to tell someone they will go to hell for eating a pork chop?

Not at all. What is the funny thing here? This is a command from my beloved Allah, and I will obey him, however, it is prohibited to have sex with your mum or sister and committing prohibitions leads to hell? Is that funny too? Can you have sex with your sister? If every body will consider this is good and that is bad, this is prohibited and that is lawful according to his point of view and desires, this is mess, I will follow Allah's commands, that's it, and I don't need to read your comment on this because you aren't serious.

I think Allah wants everyone to hear it.

Yeah Allah wants us to convey his message so the other will know his religion, it isn't a joke at all, it is a religion which is accepted by sane, disciplinedè (not those who are joking around all the time for a reason and no reason) and serious people etc.

Yes. God is …. So are you. I am not though. I have the power of not being silly, which no other being in the universe has (because God is ….).

:(

I am not though. I have the power of not being sillyè I think you know yourself or can know it from this discussion whether if you are silly (unserious) or not, except if you have another description for silly.



Please God forgive me and forgive us all, actually he doesn't know you very well as you know God because if so he wouldn't say this,…………………………. Yeah my heart broke several times in this forum but I will go on.



I wish whenever you want to describe God in such things describe me instead, sneer at me, curse me, instead of him as much as you like and I will always forgive you even if you won't ask me to do so, for you will remain my Allah's creature.

You just have to perceive Islam correctly. If you take it seriously, you don't get it.

I know from where I can perceive it correctly of course not from you.

Yeah, God is pretty funny. I love God.

It seems that the God who are you talking about is you includes your desires and thoughts, not the creator for he is a super intelligent and not behaving childishly and according to his mood ( as the army commander in the above example) for he is perfect and just and sage all the time. Quraan: Glorified is your Lord, the Lord of Honour and power! (He is free) from what they attribute to Him!

Surely my beloved my lord, I bear witness on this.

Whirligig !!! I want one.

Go and buy one you know where you can find it.

Whirligig n. 1 spinning or whirling toy. 2 merry-go-round. 3 revolving motion.

*Yes. But word your words mean the same thing to you when they come from your mouth as my words mean to me?** Perhaps Allah has made me stronger than you, which is why I can drink wine, eat pork, and smoke cigarettes. Perhaps it is best if you do not do these things, because Allah has made you weaker.

*

If I will talkas you are doing then I could say, well, you still didn't receive from God what I received you still in one of its primary levels to get to our level, so work hard ! my regards

**

And surely my level is higher than your. The sage, sane, and disciplined level, and the level for people who can leave doing things for they can handle, endure and bear with it; they aren't weak as children who cannot control themselves when they see chocolates.



Stop this mockery; please you know this isn't a serious discussion so I really don't have time to waste it.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[catstevens]

IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

Cat: let me ask you this.

No, I won't let you; just kidding http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif you are more than welcome

If Issa is a prophet

He is a prophet and a messenger of Allah and will return someday, guaranteed.

Issa ate "forbidden" (haram) food - Was Issa lying?

Issa neither have never eaten haram nor lied, impossible.

saying "it's not what goes into your mouth that condemns you but what comes out" then why is it that Allah later reversed direction again and prohibited swine, etc? Here's what I don't get about Islam. The Koran contradicts the Injil, yet you're supposed to respect the Injil?



Of course I should respect the (Injil) gospel, may Allah take my soul before I disrespect the Gospel.

My dear brother IronGoth, you have to know the following:




Firstlyè (beloved Jesus & the Gospel)

1- Allah stated in Quraan:

2:136: say (O Muslims), '' we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and to [the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob] and that which has been given to Moses and Jesus è (Gospel), ….''

Accordingly, Jesus is a prophet of Allah and Gospel has been revealed to him from Allah.




Secondlyè (the corruption)

2-What happened was that all of these prophets (before Muhammad p.b.u.h) were not well received by the majority of the people, for instance they started tampering [corruption] with the teachings of Moses and Jesus peace be upon them. That is why Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan) to bring all of mankind back to the true belief and to worship one God, without partners or intermediaries.



E.g.1:

Matthew: 15: 3:

And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?… 6:… Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.7: You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you8:These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.9:they worship me in vain; their teaching are but rules taught by men.



Quraan: 2: 79:

Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ''This is from Allah'' …Woe to them for what their hands have written

Quraan: 2:85:

… Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest?



E.g.2:

A- Is God One or Three?

B- Is Jesus God or Part of God?



(Matthew: 19.16-17) (In the New International Version)

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”



(Matthew: 19.16-17) (In King James Version)

One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,

that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good (*)? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Compare between the colored sentences with orange and blue in NIV and KJV



(*) Why callest thou me good? Or in modern English, “Why do you call me good?” We wouldn’t find this wording and meaning in some Bibles! This text is found in King James Version.

Several questions can be asked about the above verses.



1 “Why do you call me good?” Why did Jesus question his own goodness?

2 Jesus emphatically stated that “there is none good but one, that is,

God” Why did he refer to the one God as the “good” one only?

3 Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God?

4 Jesus explicitly pointed out that “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the

Commandments” Why didn’t Jesus command the questioner to believe

in him (Jesus) as God in order to enter into eternal life?



Quraan: Allah stated: [4.171]

O people of the scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Merry was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word (''Be!" -and he was) which he bestowed on Merry and a spirit created by him, so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not: "three (trinity)! Cause! (It is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) one god, glorified is He (far exalted is He) above having a son



Mark: 12:28-29:

28:one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him" of all the commandments, which is the most important?''29:'' the most important one'' answered Jesus '' is this: hear, O Israel, the lord our God, the lord is one.



So, Allah told us that the Torah and gospel have been corrupted; therefor Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan)

Quraan: 15:9:

Verily, I, it is I who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. Quraan) and surely I will guard it (from corruption).

Quraan: 27:76:

Verily, this Quraan narrates to the Children of Israel most of that in which they differ.

Matthew; 21: 43:

… The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.



YoursSincerely,

CatStevens

[catstevens]

IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)
Thirdlyè (Gospel or the Bible)


For Muslims the Qur’an is the last but not the only holy book revealed by Allah to mankind through His messengers. It is, however, the only holy book which remained intact from the time of its revelation until the present time. No addition, deletion, or interpolation found its way into the Qur’an. As such, Muslims do not need any other scriptures to base their faith on, either in full or in part.

On the other hand, it is erroneous to think that Muslims reject the Bible in too and do not accept a single passage of it. There are at least two reasons for this:

a) One of the main articles of faith in Islam is the belief in all prophets and messengers sent before the advent of the last of them, Prophet Muhammad. This also necessitates believing in the holy books revealed to those prophets in the original forms of their revelation;

b) The fact that the transmission of earlier revelations, prior to the Qur’an suffered from inaccuracies and misinterpretations does not justify a total and categorical rejection of such scriptures. There are bound to be some passages and portions of the Bible whose essence, if not wording, need not be rejected by Muslims.

Criterion of Acceptance

What is the Muslim basis or criterion for accepting or not accepting portions or passages from the Bible? The Qur’an itself provides such criterion:

“And I have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Quraan) in truth, confirming the Scripture (Books) that came before it, and a watch over it .... “ (Qur’an 5:48)

This emphasizes two main aspects of the Qur’an:

a) The Qur’an confirms those teachings or passages of previous scriptures which remained intact.

b) The Qur’an is the last, complete, authoritative and authentic revelation. It is the final arbiter and the only criterion to correct any inaccuracy or misinterpretation which might have occurred in the transmission of scriptures. It helps in discovering human additions to or interpolations of previous revelations, even as it reveals possible deletions which might have taken place through the centuries prior to its revelation (the Qur’an). Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is al-Furqan (the criterion which distinguishes between right and wrong, truth and falsehood).

It follows therefore that a Muslim has no reason to reject the essence of any passage in the Bible if such a passage is confirmed by the Qur’an. For example, we read in the New Testament a reiteration of one of the Ten Commandments:

“And Jesus answered him. The first of all commandments is hear, 0 Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:29)

A Muslim who reads this passage in the Qur’an can find no objection to its essence. After all the Qur’an confirms:

“Say He is Allah, the One and Only (God)” (The Qur’an 112:1)

You get it not dear IronGoth :), I respect the gospel and I put it next to Quraan in the same shelf.



Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[catstevens]

IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)
"forbidden" (haram) food saying "it's not what goes into your mouth that condemns you but what comes out" then why is it that Allah later reversed direction again and prohibited swine, etc?

If that passage isn't corrupt then, let's read it together :)

Matthew: 15: 11:

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'… 15: Peter said, Explain the parable to us"… 17: Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18: but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean'. 19: for out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20: these are what make a man 'unclean', but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'.



So,

1- When you read * what goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean' and * but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean' 19: for out of the heart come evil thoughts, theft, false testimony, slander. Do things that come out of the mouth which come from heart, such as evil thoughts, theft etc make you unclean virtually? So this is metaphor that's why Peter said 15: Peter said, explain the parable to us" yeah perhaps he meant that it makes your soul unclean but, è2



2- Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? He didn't mean swine; actually he is talking generally that whatever enters to the stomach it get out the body later, even if you will swallow a rope or a nail.



3- Jesus peace be upon him gave this parable why? Not to show us that everything every food is lawful, but a comment on this: Matthew [15, 2] why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat! So when you read Matthew [15, 20] he (Jesus) said: but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'è Which is a continuation of his above parableè 11: What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean'. So he is talking about eating with unwashed hands.



Besides to that,

Does there a verse in the bible say that Jesus ate pork? If no, he is following the laws of Moses and Moses didn't eat pork.

Leviticus [chapter: 11]

4: Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them … 7: And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you. 8: Of their flesh ye shall not eat, and their carcasses ye shall not touch; they are unclean unto you.

Peace and love :)

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

Not at all. What is the funny thing here? This is a command from my beloved Allah, and I will obey him, however, it is prohibited to have sex with your mum or sister and committing prohibitions leads to hell? Is that funny too? Can you have sex with your sister?

Ewww.



I will tell you something about prohibitions I was thinking last night. My girlfriend likes to have an even number of ice cubes in her glass. I think it is totally silly, but I will usually put an even number of ice cubes in her glass because I love her. I think it is the same with not eating pork. It is good if you decide to do this, although Allah already said "It is not what goes into a Man that corrupts him, but what comes out of his mouth." Last night, Allah told me that Allah did come to earth as Jesus (the reason, which Allah did not need to tell me, is to mold Allah's children's thoughts with the word (words) and actions).

Yeah Allah wants us to convey his message so the other will know his religion, it isn't a joke at all, it is a religion which is accepted by sane, disciplinedè (not those who are joking around all the time for a reason and no reason) and serious people etc. Yes. Allah has caused the message to be conveyed, and it is good. I still believe the prohibitions against pork and wine are silly, like my girlfriends "prohibition" against an odd number of ice cubes in her glass. This does not mean you should dismiss the prohibition- it is part of what Allah has given you as a unique individual within Allah's loving intent. You must understand though, that Allah has taught me differently- that pork and wine is not wrong. Perhaps at a later time in my life, these things will not be appropriate, but for now I accept what Allah brings me with love.
I know from where I can perceive it correctly of course not from you.It seems that the God who are you talking about is you includes your desires and thoughts, not the creator for he is a super intelligent and not behaving childishly and according to his mood ( as the army commander in the above example) for he is perfect and just and sage all the time. Quraan:Glorified is your Lord, the Lord of Honour and power! (He is free) from what they attribute to Him!
Surely Allah displays the correct attributes at the correct time, as it is appropriate to mold our understanding.

The God I am talking about has created my desires and thoughts so that I may desire to know Allah. Allah is super intelligent, and Allah is the creator of emotion, thought, desire, and all things. Allah makes a divine pattern for us to perceive, as a gift, so that we may know and understand Allah (at one point with limited understanding, but as we mature, Allah can teach us of Allah's greatness).
And surely my level is higher than your. The sage, sane, and disciplined level, and the level for people who can leave doing things for they can handle, endure and bear with it; they aren't weak as children who cannot control themselves when they see chocolates.
I rely upon Allah's guidance. Surely, Allah has placed checks and balances within me that say "I desire this, but not at the wrong time, I will wait until Allah moves my hand to take what is there (when Allah's will dictates)." To lose the oneness of being Allah's creation is to not know that Allah guides our every move (even those actions which we claim as our own).

Allah does not begin creating a soul and set it aside unfinished. We are in Allah's will now, and Allah's will molds our desires to be more aware of Allah's goodness. To say that a man is the one controlling these things is to set the man apart from Allah, to distance his thoughts from his creator, for him to not know that his creator is guiding his every step. This is the sin of pride, that a man credits himself with the good that Allah works with him.

[IronGoth]

Here's what Matthew has to say

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[e] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

Question:

Is it considered haraam to eat without washing one's hands? Apparently the Prophet Mohammed said to do so. This contradicts Issa.

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

although Allah already said "It is not what goes into a Man that corrupts him, but what comes out of his mouth." Last night

Allah??!! Stated this!

However, I already commented on that verse in post 44

This does not mean you should dismiss the prohibition- it is part of what Allah has given you as a unique individual within Allah's loving intent.

However this is one of the Kharakovism teachings and explaination, and of course I won't follow it, because I am a Muslim.

and Allah's will molds our desires to be more aware of Allah's goodness.

And that's explaining your description for him as …………

However, regarding the rest of your response which I didn't comment on it some, is repeated and we already discussed it and some is related to Kharacovism religion.



IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

Is it considered haraam to eat without washing one's hands? Apparently the Prophet Mohammed said to do so. This contradicts Issa.

Wow, I really feel good when I talk about Muhammad and Jesus peace be upon them.

The answer: I have never heard that a Muslim should wash his hands before eating, myself I eat several times without doing so when I am in hurry.

Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[IronGoth]

Then there is no contradiction. Excellent.

[catstevens]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)

My girlfriend likes to have an even number of ice cubes in her glass. I think it is totally silly, but I will usually put an even number of ice cubes in her glass because I love her.

So, because I love my God (Allah) I will obey him and I will do what ever he wants from me without any discussion, that's why I am a Muslim and a slave * of Allah.

I am not following it because I am greedy for greater bounties and rewards, I love Allah, and I will do whatever he wants from me.

Quraan: 3:31: my love Allah states:

Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ''if you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quraan and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So if I really love Allah then I have to obey him and follow his commands and if I will do this he will love me :)



*When I say slave I mean like the slave who obey his sir, I obey my Lord Allah,

Muslims is the adjective of the noun Islam: is an Arabic term which means: ''submission'', points to the fundamental religious creed which dictates that a Muslim submits to the will of Allah, conforming inwardly and outwardly to his lows. i.e.: the right way of life consisting of submission to whatever God has instructed.



And as a Muslim and as long as I am sure that the Quraan is his word then I don't argue any of his commands because I trust God and I have to obey him and beyond his allowing and prohibition a reason (wisdom) or a test etc, even if I didn't realize the wisdom. I know he wants my advantage.



IronGoth (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=22165)

Then there is no contradiction. Excellent.

I wish you are a believer in Jesus' return, peace be upon him.



Yours Sincerely,

Cat Stevens

[Kharakov]

Kharakov (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3120)







So, because I love my God (Allah) I will obey him and I will do what ever he wants from me without any discussion, that's why I am a Muslim and a slave* of Allah.

I am not following it because I am greedy for greater bounties and rewards, I love Allah, and I will do whatever he wants from me.
I do it because I have to. Not that I don't love Allah, but I don't do what Allah wants because I love Allah. I do what I want because I love Allah. Truthfully, Allah does not want a bunch of ass kissers who do what Allah says even if it is what they do not desire. Allah wants strong, brave souls that go for what they want. Part of what I want is a relationship with Allah and the rest of our extended family (brothers and sisters). Part of what I want is pleasure. Part of what I want is for my will to be perfected, so that when my will is granted it does not harm me.

Self interest, my brother, which includes caring for others, and dealing with what pain I must conquer to get what I want.
submits to the will of Allah, conforming inwardly and outwardly to his lows. i.e.: the right way of life consisting of submissionto whatever God has instructed.



And as a Muslim and as long as I am sure that the Quraan is his word then I don't argue any of his commands because I trust God and I have to obey him and beyond his allowing and prohibition a reason (wisdom) or a test etc, even if I didn't realize the wisdom. I know he wants my advantage.
Yes, Allah wants your advantage because it is Allah's wisdom that states that happy creations = happy Allah. Of course, Allah has some emotional issues to deal with, and I help Allah deal with them by confronting them as if they were my own.

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