abbie hoffman

[michaelstevenson]

just watched steal this movie and think abbie is the koolest he turned himself in about half a hour from my house he was in alex bay ny he autcally did alot for our community does anyone out there have any storries about him?? were any of u at any of his rallys?? if so please relate and let us all know about them! i see there was alot of replys to charley mansons lil post there has to be people on this site that has storries about abbie and if u neaver seen steal this movei or read steal this book...go steal one of them and watch or read there is alot to learn about america and how they treat there heros at first

[THUDLY]

Didn't he commit suicide? If he didn't, then he should've.


BTW, I'm not on these boards to make friends; I'm here to speak the truth.

God sent me.

[shameless_heifer]

As a friend of mine says, ' Walk in Balance '

[maryfairy]

abbie is my hero.

my grandma saw him in 1989 (i believe thats the correct year), speaking at a class. She said he seemed like any other burnt out hippie.. But she also isn't really the kind of person to tune into that stuff.

But dude, that movie sucked. Totally misrepresented him. And I'm not the only one to think so. All the reviews say the same. They downplayed things and made him.. not as charasmatic as he was. .. plus I hate vincent d'orfino.

[maryfairy]

dude.. you're friends with steve albert? i'm a little jealous.

[michaelstevenson]

thats toatly kick ass dude.. u rule u might just be my new hero..ok well mabe not but close to it ...that site kicks ass think i might be able to find the info i need there thanks

[THUDLY]

Voided37, You are a fool who takes exception with me-- an original BEATNIK AND "HIPPIE" FROM !966! Who the hell are you to criticize me?


Abbie Hoffman was an idiot. Most of the hippies were idiots. The only reason I'm on this board, is to possibly connect with old friends, and this certainly does not include you.

In the future, ignore my posts: they're not for you.

Rest assured, I shall ignore yours.

As you were, sir!

[THUDLY]

Shit!-- I almost forgot! Voided38 wanted to know "What I ever did.". Google up Burl N. Corbett, and see. If you buy my novel, I'll forgive you.


And, didn't Abbie shoot himself?

Poor ole hippie-dippie.

[michaelstevenson]

bitch go to hell go post somewhere else who the hell do u think u are to put down people who helped change america for the better for u and me and ask nothing in return.....u put people down then say buy my book damn u are 1 stupid bitch....u can go to hell u have alot to learn mabe u are trying to find people who really wanna keep u and your opions in there past wise up and grow up u act like a mindless child...did u do to mutch acid??? or are u just a fucking crack head.......i put my money on u beeing a dumb ass crazzy crackhead whore

[maryfairy]

And, didn't Abbie shoot himself?

Poor ole hippie-dippie.
he died cause he was bipolar. you're an ignorant bitch. .. i'm sorry, but i dont usually call people (espacially on here) bitches. but you are one.

if you're only on this board to connect with old friends, use the PMs instead of ruining threads like this.

[THUDLY]

Ah---sorry to disallusion y'all, but I'm a man. My avatar portrays a lady, but that is to throw my children off the track if they try to read my posts. At any rate, I appreciated your opinions, even though they're ill-thought. Abbie was a wacko. Good riddance.


(P.S.) I never did crack and I ain't no whore-- I give it away freely--just like a hippie!

[maryfairy]

i didnt call you a woman... i didnt really look at your info on the side at all. no care to know people who aren't tuned in with the world.

[shameless_heifer]

Thudly,
You use to have some charm about you but now your just crass. I don't what you posting in The Garden anymore, your insulting and vulgar and you have no place here.
Please do not post here in the future, your rudeness is not welcome.
If anyone WANTS to find you, you have left enough litter around to be found. You need not bother to post again, I will delete it. And thaat goes for all the threads in Back to The Garden Forum.
Shameles Heifer>Co-Mod
PS
I can see why you don't want your children to find you and see what a crude person you are. I would hid too.

[mimosa]

thudly, i have been thinking on you all day, and thinking "mean people suck" everytime. but I have been really trying to see things from your side too, and I just keep thinking of my uncle (who is not much older than me), whom you remind me of a lot. I am not a mod and have no say, but I don't mind if you stay, just please quit being such an asshole, or at least tone it down a notch. all respects to sh too.

[michaelstevenson]

thudly ok im sorry i shoulda neaver bitched u out that makes me no better than u and im mad at myself for stupeing to your levil of madness...so yeah im sorry u are a great person i just do not agree with you at all and by calling you names i am just giveing u the attention that you are begging for..... mabe you should go see a counsler though i think something is wrong with you and they can give u the attention u desire....the ones i feeel sorry for are your children....growing up with your opions and views on americas greatist heros...i can just imagine what u tell them about georgy washington and abe lincoln

[michaelstevenson]

oh yeah and thznx shameless you are great i enjoy all of your posts

[shameless_heifer]

Micheal,
I understood your furstration. There is a difference in what you were doing (saying) and what Thudly was doing. Thudly was didrupting the thread and antagonizing the other posters. I asked him to stop, he just wouldn't. I had no choice but to delete the unnessasary comments that were aimed to disrupt.

All I ask in here is to respect others and be cool. If me or Ranger gets several complaints of someone not following the guidlines of this website we have to take care of it, being the Mods here. Neither me or Ranger like to delete or ban or have to deal with crap. We are all adults here or fastly approaching adulthood so can we just try and be cool. I created a Rants and Raves in this forum for ones that want to 'duke it out' to help keep the Garden free of hostilities and bad vibes.
Everyone is not going to agree all the time, but for the sake of the ones that are looking for LIKEMINDEDNESS take the fighting elsewhere.
sh

[hippiewise]

wow been reading this thread and want to say i think "shameless heifer" is right on and a cool chick and thudly you sure have a strange way of connecting with old friends, seems to me you're just here to start shit, a shit stirrer. and i loved the abbie hoffman movie and i feel vincent d'firno (sp) is one of the best actors around. also, thudly, from a person that has had loved one's committ suicide what a horrible and ruthless comment you made that abbie hoffman should have committed suicide. you are very angry and that is sad. and doesn't seem to me that God would send such a angry person to preach hate instead of love.
hippiewise

[shameless_heifer]

Hippiewise,
Right on sista.
Thudly your drinking is causing you deperssion and you really do need to find some light in your life. If you need to talk with someone about taking back control over your life, I'm sure you can find someone that has beat the "devil' and found their beauty and light again that would be willing to help you.
sh

[gate68]

Ah---sorry to disallusion y'all, but I'm a man. My avatar portrays a lady, but that is to throw my children off the track if they try to read my posts. At any rate, I appreciated your opinions, even though they're ill-thought. Abbie was a wacko. Good riddance.


(P.S.) I never did crack and I ain't no whore-- I give it away freely--just like a hippie!Now i see where you're coming from.Keep it up and you too can become a hippie celebraty sellout.Wasn't Steal this Book on the best seller list.

[THUDLY]

Well,now that I pissed everyone off, allow me to clarify my thoughts. Abbie was no hero to the thousands of innocent kids he led to Chicago in 1968 where they proceeded to get gassed and their heads beaten in. All he did most of the 60's was incite riots. He, naturally having rich, leftist friends, got bailed right out. The rest of the kids, being poor, street-kids, got to do time in prisons where long-haired boys were preyed upon by the scum of society. And, that's your idea of a hero?


Sorry, I don't see it like that.

[maryfairy]

He didn't lead the kids to Chicago.. The idea of people going there wasn't his. And it was always ALWAYS their choice to go and participate. Everyone knew by that time what the risks were in protesting.
And if you read Steal This Book, he does offer tons of advice on how to protect yourself in a protest, from simple ideas of wearing the right kind of clothes, to things like writing down your lawyers number on your arm.
And his friends weren't all rich. His bail money was raised. And a lot of money (most of it, in fact) that he made off of speaking and his books was put toward getting lots of kids out of jail. A true hippie helps his brothers and sisters. And he did so.

[IronGoth]

He was gay and a pedophile if I remember correctly. Don't have a problem with the former but definitely the latter.

NAMBLA scum.

[michaelstevenson]

What U Fail To Realize Is This Was A Price People Were Willing To Pay In Order To Stop The War Abbie And His Followers Stopped A War Who Else Do U Know Of Who Has Ever Done Sutch A Great Thing Id Be Willing To Go To Jail If That Ment Another Mother Wasnt Goina Loose Her Child..another Child Didnt Have To Worry About Neaver Seeing His Father Again...hmmmm Jail Time To Make Sure That Doesnt Happen....id Do It In A Heart Beat...would You? Do U Get The Big Picture Now Or Are You Still Ignorent???

[gate68]

Hey someone had to sell the sixties and somebody had to buy it.

[shameless_heifer]

It seems to me that, when you lose the light in your heart all good things flee from the negitive from which one has chosen. Altho we come to gather here in peace and harmony there will always be obticals to overcome. Like the lost ones stumbling in the darkness, grasping only bitterness as the light leaves them. Like children lost and alone in the night.
The laughter now turned to bitter rememberence against the jagged edge of yesterdays song. To let lifes lessons turn you to stone instead of building a base of knowledge to draw from leaves us exposed to a lower level of consciousness, not using our higher mentality leaves for a 'flabby' thinking process.
Losing ones Spiritual connection takes away Hope and leaves one cynical in their despiration. Heavy hearts drag out the wrost in people, creating a 'woe is me' syndrom which drive men to irrational thinking. To cover up their pain they pick at others to feel less threatened. Their fear turns to addiction to mask itself and is released when the mind looses control over it's own enviroment and EGO steps in a takes over. When EGO steps in, then all hope walks out. EGO being, all consuming and self centered, leaving no room for light or learning..Ego knows everything and it's job is to destroy the body. EGO resists and disrupts the universe flow of wisdom. EGO thinking it is most supream and listens to no one, only itself. There is no unity or brotherhood in EGO. EGO is strictly for itself. EGO does not lend a hand but pats itself on the back with it and says, 'Ha! I showed them who's boss', and then sits alone in the darkness it creates.
It's like the Dark Night Of The Soul. When one isolates theirself, they lose the innerself that keeps them on the path to enlightenment. They lose contact with their higher selves and think with the 'Little Me' that only includes them.
Are these not the ones that need compassion and understanding, the lost desprite souls that cover up their pain by creating diversion at others expence. Is it not up to us to show them a better way and release them from the chains they have bound themselves with. Perhaps it is our own shortcomings that close us off to understanding what we need to be doing. Should we not enbrace our brother who is in pain and in need of love and compassion. Is that not why they were sent to us, so that thay can be healed, and we turn them away in their suffering.
I judge myself harshly as I read over my words. Have I let the negitivty overcome me, is it I who walk in darkness. Do I draw negitivity to me as means of attonement for past failures, or out of guilt for my own shortcomings. Should I search my soul for why I have failed them and not given them comfort. I will have to pray on that one.
sh

[maryfairy]

"be your own fuckin hero" is for me? .. I'm confused.

[hippiewise]

voided 37

my grammy used to always say that too: IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL" good words to live by
hippiewise

[shameless_heifer]

Hippiewise, I don't belive Voided meant anything unkind in his post or sig. I think in his frustration at Thudly he was trying to call out to you, to follow your own heart and make your own discissions. Ones can influence you and broaden horizons but always remain true to yourself.
As Bob Dylan put it. " Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters" Think for yourself and do your best.
sh

[gate68]

Coyotes have no ego.The CIA had more important people to take care of.Abbie was not a threat especially later in life.He was mainly a nusense to them.No reason to kill him.He took what the kids were doing and sold it to straight amerika.Not a dishonerable profession but a self serving one.He tried to extort money from the producers of woodstock,but that was a commercial enterprise and maybe they deserved it.R.I.P.

[hippiewise]

gate68 i agree with what you say, abbie was human, just like all of us, not a saint nor a sinner.
hippiewise

[maryfairy]

Yeah, it was....but i removed it. Michael is the one who said what i was referring to, although you also say it in your first post. And i said it also. About having hero's. We should all be our own hero. Maybe we should all say, "He's my legend." Cause as the book, 'When The Legends Die' by Hal Borland says;" When the legends die, the dreams end. When the dreams end, there is no more greatness."
Shameless, we all get tired. We lose our patience. But you spoke a lot of truth. i realized tears ago that as i succumbed to the world that my ego would be made of the ideas that were too sacred to use as manipulaters. So be it. My journey isn't over yet.
i usually don't use the word hero. it gives to much of a pedastal for the person it is applied too. Abbie was someone amazingly beautiful. And I think to learn about his life, and see the beauty he possessed, is a wonderful thing.
i guess i say hero because he saved people. i could say idol. but that sounds wrong too. And, as I'm sure you know, I can't say leader. "There are no Yippie leaders."
he was a man i wish had lived long enough that maybe I could of have met him.

[hippiewise]

maryfairy i love your picture of the naked hippies. i remember being in golden gate park in 1973 at a love-in and it looked just like that. hippies all over the place making love and being free and naked, man, i miss those days, they were good days.
hippiewise

[IronGoth]

RE: You'll find plenty of personal friends of Abbie's still around to dispute that claim but i doubt they'd want to talk to you.....potmetalgoth..

If that's not true then I won't dislike him - however, I don't like pedophiles, never have, never will.

[lurker]

I seem to remember reading a book titled "Revolution For The Hell of It" by Hoffman in the late 60's. On the cover it suggested you should steal the book. Is this the one you all have been refering to, or is it another work of his? Or is my memory faulty? thanks

[maryfairy]

Revolution for the Hell of It came first. Steal This Book was the.. next book (I believe). He wrote a few more too.

[THUDLY]

My last word on the subject (thousands of people across cyber-space applaud)-- Abbie and Tom Hayden and the Yippies and thousands of protesters didn't end the war: the middle-class tax-payers finally got tired of financing it; in other words, my parents and their coevals put an end to it. BTW, it was a Republican who finally ended it-- mean old Richard Nixon (not that I love him for it-- he had his own reasons and they had nothing to do with a half-million protesters).


Gee, since I haven't had a drink for two days, maybe I better check the 'fridge!

Nah, better not-- I gotta get a good week in while the weather's is good.

[hippiewise]

voided

i totally understand what you are saying, and i agree have, all along. abbie hoffman, along with many others of our generation spoke out against oppression and tryanny. they protested in the only way they knew how. anytime someone is known by the public eye, they are scrutinized. look at john lennon, he got so much bad rap back in the 70's about being associated with the black panthers. i knew many black panthers in oakland, california. i used to go help distribute food to the poor that was provided by the black panthers, they also got a bad rap. i believe our generation helped in so many ways: civil rights, equal rights, human rights and yes, we did help stop the viet nam war and bring down nixon, and i give credit to the two brave men that wrote about watergate in "all the presidents men". it's hard to understand if you weren't there or alive during that time, but it seems to me that the young people on these boards are very willing to hear about our time, that is great. i thank you for all that you have posted, i learned alot about abbie hoffman that i didn't know before.
hippiewise POWER TO THE PEOPLE

[Mellow Yellow]

I'm a little young to know what went on back then (I was only 4 in '68), but it seems to me it was all about fighting against the social order to uphold civil liberties. Sure icons like Abbie Hoffman and Timothy Leary might've seemed over the top in their personal behavior by today's standards, but they laid the groundwork for what (little) freedom we have today. There's always gonna be the right wing nazis who try to take away civil liberties in the interest of the "GRAND DESIGN" using "moral values" as a front, and they'll throw as much dirt out there as they can to discredit the "infidels", but when I look at the positive things the Abbie Hoffman's fought for and what they accomplished, my hat's off to them...

[Neo-hippie]

hehe i know Abbie got knocked of stage during Woodstock by MY hero Pete Townshend (of The Who, but you knew that). He interupted there gig an Pete Smashed him with the neck of his guitar.
have to say...shows him to interupt an artist at work:)
but i totaly agree with what Mellow Yellow Sais above...

Peace

[hippiewise]

neo-hippie, wow i never knew that, interesting.
hippiewise

[maryfairy]

you can download the sound bit of pete townshend hitting him. .. its like only a few seconds long though. i dont think it was really that rad. but.. eh. whatever.

[gate68]

"Trolling For The Hell Of It."
What's the difference?

[Dakota's Mom]

He was gay and a pedophile if I remember correctly. Don't have a problem with the former but definitely the latter.

NAMBLA scum.

I think you're referring to Allen Ginsbreg, not Abbie Hoffman. Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA.

[shameless_heifer]

Steal This Website.... hahahaha.. I love it.. gate you do have a sence of humor.

[gate68]

Steal This Website.... hahahaha.. I love it.. gate you do have a sence of humor.At last some common ground.

[shameless_heifer]

Gate I want you to know I have nothing personal against you. I appreciate what your doing for the eco of where ever it is your at. We all need to do more to save whatever there is left. I'm down with that.
sh

[hippypaul]

Abbie Hoffman was a lot o things but he was not a pedophile. He was a very chiasmic individual who had a lot of influence. I myself did not care much for the man. He was a major sexist and thought way too much of himself for my and others taste. However, their is no question that he was a master of street theater and a very creative individual. He also stood up for what he believed in and for his friends. Not the best man I ever met but a better man than I.

[pieman]

hey i used to know abbie hoffman back in the 70's and 80's.....i used to do security for him....in fact i am the mad yippie pie thrower.....you can visit me at http://www.pieman.org

i also have some downloadable abbie mp3s from an album he did in 1969 called , "wake up amerikkka",,,they can be obtained via http://www.pieman.org/abbiehoffman
feel free to write me at pieman1024@aol.com

[gdhmomchild]

Abbie Hoffman was a lot o things but he was not a pedophile. He was a very chiasmic individual who had a lot of influence. I myself did not care much for the man. He was a major sexist and thought way too much of himself for my and others taste. However, their is no question that he was a master of street theater and a very creative individual. He also stood up for what he believed in and for his friends. Not the best man I ever met but a better man than I.
I was a kid when I got to meet him/ hear him speak to a crowd. I have to agree with this preception but I found him to be a great motivator. Yeah, everyone has some defects of character and looking around at so many sheeples I guess he had a bit of a good reason to have such a high opinion of himself at times. Aren't we all a mixed bag of good and bad points after all? Although he was a major influence on those times he was still merely a human being. At least he was busy trying to make some changes.

[michaelstevenson]

yeah pieman your site rocks id donate but at this point in time i got a cause of my own but when i can i will u can count on that...i spent like 2 houres on that site people... lotsa great links

[hippypaul]

I was a kid when I got to meet him/ hear him speak to a crowd. I have to agree with this preception but I found him to be a great motivator. Yeah, everyone has some defects of character and looking around at so many sheeples I guess he had a bit of a good reason to have such a high opinion of himself at times. Aren't we all a mixed bag of good and bad points after all? Although he was a major influence on those times he was still merely a human being. At least he was busy trying to make some changes.
well said

[gdhmomchild]

Hope, faith and knowledge are good lights to carry in dark times and places.

[gdhmomchild]

I used to tell people I was more of a Yippie than a Hippie but many in my age bracket have forgotten that terminology and the younger ones have never even heard it.
The three labels that started back then, hippie, yippie and yuppie. Yuppie was an offshoot from that as well, which seems to have been forgotten by most.

[shameless_heifer]

Welcome to the Garden Pieman, I want chocolate pie please.

[THUDLY]

Well, well,well! Welcome Aaron (AKA Pieman)! How are things at 9 Bleecker? How is Dana? I remember you from the 60's-- I lived at 6 Bleecker-- A.J. Weberman lived one floor below me. I used to live at 25 Bleecker with Tom Ward, too. I don't know if you remember me-- I used to deliver the East Village Other every week with the circulation manager, Ron McDonald and I tended the back-issue office on Ave. A across from Tompkins Square Park. I had the old 1950 Chevy with no back seat and used to drive A.J all over the city to get his political pamphlets printed. My name is Burl, I think you and A.J and me ate breakfast a few times at the Polish diner at E. 10th and Ave. A. Or, maybe it was at the Great Jones Street Diner. Can't remember exactly-- too many years.


At any rate, good to know you're still kicking (or, should I say, throwing).

[THUDLY]

Voided37-- Nah, I ain't CIA, though I do have 2 Pennsylvania State Police baseball caps in camoflage-- my buddy who's a state trooper gave them to me-- he comes out to my over-grown farm to hunt deer. I wear them when I wish to safely go into the nearest big city-- like a safety badge, or something.

[THUDLY]

Yes, that's one thing I have a surfeit of-- tales! Someday I'll start another thread with one of them-- but not tonight.


Jack Kerouac used to call himself "The Memory Babe" because he had a steel-trap memory.

Well, if his "steel-trap" memory was a #4 Blake and Lamb wolf-trap, mine is a #6 Newhouse bear trap.

( Just a little red-neck hunter-trapper lingo there.)

[THUDLY]

What did you trap, VOIDED? I quit trapping 15 years ago, but up to that time I trapped muskrats, possums, skunks, minks, weasels, coons, red and grey foxes from the age of 10.


Now, coyotes have moved in, so I think I'll give it another whirl.

AIN'T WE CRUEL!

[gate68]

I've spent as much time watching bambi as you've spent killing her why does that make me responsible for urban sprawl?Fur is murder,save it for jesse's hunting pages,they like treating animals inhumanly.Collecting assault weapons supports the war manufacturers.Sure you're allowed to stay in hippieland,you need some good karma.If you really want peace why push your killing platform?

[gate68]

And outdoorsmen have always had a realistic love for nature compared to bambi people. Bambi people just talk the talk[while they have babies and wipe out forests for housing and myriad other wildlife depletion], lots of outdoorsmen walk it. PETA people? Most of the time if i wasn't vegan i think they would make a good meal...,.lol, kill 'em all, let GOD sort 'em out......

Who are these "bambi poeple" then?I get along with people who don't glorify violence.You hunt.i shit.The difference is i don't glorify it.It's just shit,i don't get off on it,i don't brag about it(though one time there was one the size of a watermelon) and i certainly do not collect toilet paper.

[gdhmomchild]

....and this all has sooooo much to do with the topic of this thread (:P) lol!

[Mellow Yellow]

Mmm, venison, we got deer galore out here, I just can't hunt 'em with a gun 'cause I'm too close to "civilization", so I've got a bow, I just gotta get off my lazy ass and practice, and my lady knows how to clean 'em. I used to be a great shot with a bow, but I'm a little rusty these days, gotta sharpen up the skills, 'cause it's really inhumane to put an arrow thru a deer if you don't kill it...can't wait till I eat the fruit of what lies in my back yard...hunting, gathering, that's what we were meant to do...

[Templedragon]

For the first time in the history of humanity, we have the free will opportunity not to kill, in order to survive. I choose to accept. Steal this carrot!

[pieman]

yes the fsm in the tradition of mario savio still lives on!!!ABBIE LIVES!!!

FUCK BUSH

[pieman]

Hey Did We Ever Touch Base? I Also Happen To Knew Stew? Do You Know Paul Krassner Too?

[Digger168]

Someone needs to steal this thread!

[shameless_heifer]

Digger if you didn't notice, some one did steal this thread. ;).

[gate68]

Mmm, venison, we got deer galore out here, I just can't hunt 'em with a gun 'cause I'm too close to "civilization", so I've got a bow, I just gotta get off my lazy ass and practice, and my lady knows how to clean 'em. I used to be a great shot with a bow, but I'm a little rusty these days, gotta sharpen up the skills, 'cause it's really inhumane to put an arrow thru a deer if you don't kill it...can't wait till I eat the fruit of what lies in my back yard...hunting, gathering, that's what we were meant to do...we were also meant to start wars and rape...

[shameless_heifer]

I don't believe that we were intended to make war and rape, That's not why we were made. We were made to toil in the mines and fields for the GODS. As we became more like the GODs themselves we became unruley and uncooperative. We were left to fend for and govern ourselves as we became ego oriented and selfish like the Gods themselves. But we wern't made to kill we were made to dig. lol..
peace
sh

[gate68]

hurricanes,earthquakes,disease,war,the gods are mean,the world's a nasty place,it's up to us ...peace

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002011.html

[Mellow Yellow]

we were also meant to start wars and rape...

That's not the same thing at all! I do not mean to offend my brothers and sisters who don't eat meat, I used to be vegan myself, but if you do eat meat as I do, it's far more honorable to hunt your own food, provided it's done in a humane way. Besides, the natural order has been disrupted where I live, predators are extinct, there are too many deer, we got lyme disease issues, and I'd way rather eat something I hunted myself than the questionable product they sell in stores, even if it's "organically produced"...

No disrespect intended, say what you want, but I'm not the monster you portray me to be...

Peace

[michaelstevenson]

hay now i love the taste of deer meat...if u are goina eat it u should be the one to kill it thats how i feel and no part of that poor innocent animal should go to waste
savanah presioso u tought me to be vegan but sorry i still eat the deer the rabbit and the good things that were put on this great earth for foor....savanah tought me to be vegan and let me tell u all ... u spend alot of time trying to eat food that tastes like meat but isnt...like a tofuturkey what is the sense in that just eat the turkey........or that fake morning star farms fake bacon n burgers....makes no sense to me

[gate68]

The coyote and the lion eat the meat with no shame,they kill only to eat.Not for sport,not for fur,not for trophies,not even to protect property,only for food and only when they're hungry.Domesticated animals on the other hand...

[gate68]

Why the hell would one eat a veggieburger when a nice sauteed portabella is so good.

[shameless_heifer]

I love portabella.yum. I want some now.

[Templedragon]

Pieman, you are my hero if you are the real dood. Fuck Bush!

[shameless_heifer]

Pieman is in fact the real deal,ya'll grab a listen to what he's puttin' out. Fuck Bush, everybody grab a pie and lets storm the whitehouse. Headlines will read, " In the news tonight, there is just desserts for the Bush Adm. Thousands of Yippies gathered in protest, not about war, not about gas prices but about BUSH himself and his cronnies. They demanded that BushCo come out and have a taste of shit pie. The same shit pie he has been feeding the People since he reared his drunken head. The cclimax of the event was when Bush accually liked the taste of the shit pie and started licking it off Chaney. The crowd went wild.
sh

[pieman]

i would rather that we all make love and lick chocolate cream pie off each other for the fun of it!!! because the fascists dont deserve such a good pie...
i am stoned and being goofy at the same time !!!
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/4385davidpeelabbiehoffman.jpg
abbie hoffman and david peel of the lower east side

[shameless_heifer]

ok :)

[teepi]

Pieman or anyone else who may have a clue...
When I was of a rather tender age I ran away to NYC.
This was 1970.
While there I had many adventures...and I've probably forgotten alot more than I remember...
However, there was a man I stayed a short time with...and I can't remember his name...But he ran for something in the political arena, and he showed me newspaper clippings of the race. His platform was "I Have Nothing To Hide" and he actually had some kind of vehicle he would drive around the city in while naked. He stood in parks...probably Thompkins Square and Washington..naked and gave his speeches.
He actually looked like the David Peel guy in your pic of Abbie there, your pieness.

Well it sure would be nice to remember his name.
I remember he had the bathtub right in the middle of the living room/kitchen area and had a board over it for a table...when I would bathe we took the board off...I thought that was so cool...hahaha

teepi

[pieman]

his name was louis abolafia



Pieman or anyone else who may have a clue...
When I was of a rather tender age I ran away to NYC.
This was 1970.
While there I had many adventures...and I've probably forgotten alot more than I remember...
However, there was a man I stayed a short time with...and I can't remember his name...But he ran for something in the political arena, and he showed me newspaper clippings of the race. His platform was "I Have Nothing To Hide" and he actually had some kind of vehicle he would drive around the city in while naked. He stood in parks...probably Thompkins Square and Washington..naked and gave his speeches.
He actually looked like the David Peel guy in your pic of Abbie there, your pieness.

Well it sure would be nice to remember his name.
I remember he had the bathtub right in the middle of the living room/kitchen area and had a board over it for a table...when I would bathe we took the board off...I thought that was so cool...hahaha

teepi

[Digger168]

Wow,...

I done been sleepin at the wheel people
lordy,.....

Love to ya all!!!!:)

Any one for "The lighter side of Abbie?"

You folks is darn serious!!!!

Laugh a spell!

[maryfairy]

Wow,...

I done been sleepin at the wheel people
lordy,.....

Love to ya all!!!!:)

Any one for "The lighter side of Abbie?"

You folks is darn serious!!!!

Laugh a spell!
how about this:

free speech is the right to yell theater in a crowded fire!


ahahaha. always makes me smile.

[teepi]

WHOA PIEMAN!!!


Somehow I knew you would know....thank you so much, that memory has haunted me for years.

He ran for President on the Nude Party ticket.

He was a hoot, as soon as I read the name it came back to me...thank you so much.

Dear sweet departed Lou.....

http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Abolafia%2010001.jpg

[Digger168]

Now that puts a smile on my thousand year old soul!

Thank you Muh Lady!

A smile is universal in a thousand languages!

Dangnabbit, I'm a blushin!:)

[Mellow Yellow]

Any one for "The lighter side of Abbie?"

You folks is darn serious!!!!
I like...sorry if I'm guilty of gettin' a little heavy there myself (I love sauteed portabella mushrooms BTW)...

Speakin' of the Nude Party Ticket, I was hopin' we could get an old friend of mine on the Presidential ballot who's always been politically savvy (way more so than myself, but then again, I'm about as PC as a fart in church)...

His campaign slogan:

"MORE SEX, LESS VIOLENCE"

'works for me, I'm sure it could work for the rest of the country...

[THUDLY]

Am I the only one who knows this is the year of Our Lord 2005? All this loony shit may have been a hoot in 1970, but now it is why Bush and the Christian Right rule the country. Didn't ANY of you hear John Lennon sing in "Revolution #9"-- "If you go carrying round pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"?

Most of these 60's counter-culture icons were drugged-out Commies whose activities were financed by the same trash who brought us Bill Clinton:a rapist, womanizer and perjurer. (And, non-inhaler.)

JESUS! DIDN'T ANYONE LEARN! CAN'T YOU SEE! THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT WILL WIN FOREVER UNTIL YOU SILLY LEFTISTS QUIT INSISTING THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN'S GUNS AWAY AND THAT BABY-MURDER IS AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE.

Get used, liberals, to being out of power-- no matter how the war in Iraq is going, the Republicans will win on two issues: gun control and abortion. Plus, religion in schools.

[Digger168]

Yikes,....

so much anger.

Making broad generalizations is kind of comforting, but also kind of hasty.

Turn that frown upside down and instead of pointing fingers,....

find common ground with your neo-commie-drugged out-baby-rapist pals.

#1. I love you.
#2. Try to stay positive.
#3. Medication might relax you.
#4. Try to laugh a little.
#5. If you're part of the polarization,
your part of the problem.

From?,... Digger!

Your proud fellow American (Neo-commie-dope smoking-Chairman Mao reviling- ex revolutionary- turned mellow beatnick-for the cause of moderated civil political discussion.)

:)

[JerryWobbles]

Abbie Hoffman was one of the bravest people ever !!!! How dare you say that abbie is an idiot!!!!!!! Well I guess Since all Abbie ever said was the truth, you think the truth is idiotic, then you must be a flaming retard volded!!!!!! Nothing more is needed to be said to you !!!! I will Be here to talk once you get your head out of yer coolie!!!!!

[gate68]

abbie wasn't an idiot,he was a brillant self promotionist.

[Digger168]

Golly, you wasn't thinking that "I" said nothing unhappy about Brother Abbie didja?

He is a fine upstanding socio-revolutionary.

We is pals, we is!

Ouch, Mucho anger vibrations a goin on here!
I done gone run for the hills iffin this keeps up.

Remember folks

"A hand on you cock is more moral and more fun than a finger on the trigger!"

Mellowtronics to ya all!

Digger (yikes!)

[maryfairy]

um.. the republicans havent won on abortion.. roe vs wade made it pro-choice..
who did clinton rape? i think i missed that..

Am I the only one who knows this is the year of Our Lord 2005? All this loony shit may have been a hoot in 1970, but now it is why Bush and the Christian Right rule the country. Didn't ANY of you hear John Lennon sing in "Revolution #9"-- "If you go carrying round pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"?

Most of these 60's counter-culture icons were drugged-out Commies whose activities were financed by the same trash who brought us Bill Clinton:a rapist, womanizer and perjurer. (And, non-inhaler.)

JESUS! DIDN'T ANYONE LEARN! CAN'T YOU SEE! THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT WILL WIN FOREVER UNTIL YOU SILLY LEFTISTS QUIT INSISTING THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN'S GUNS AWAY AND THAT BABY-MURDER IS AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE.

Get used, liberals, to being out of power-- no matter how the war in Iraq is going, the Republicans will win on two issues: gun control and abortion. Plus, religion in schools.

[hippiewise]

More Sex, Less Violence"

Sounds Familiar Maybe Like:

"make Love, Not War"

[teepi]

I for one am not a "silly Leftist"....and as long as I have a breath in me the Goverment will not take away my guns...the legal and the maybe not so.

As far as abortion goes...I am pro-choice, don't want anyone making any kind of decisions for me regarding my health,my womb or my ass.

I am neither Republican or Democrat or Liberal...I am me. All my opinions and thoughts cannot be rounded up and put in a nice little box with a label
Plus...I don't really give a shit who wins these farces of elections anymore...what the FUCK!!!! The majority of the people think "OH shit the country sucks because we've got that fucking Democrat in office"...then in 4-8 years they all cry.."Oh shit, the country sucks because we've got that fucking Republican in office",,,and so it goes. Politicians are nothing but used car salesmen in better suits.


Now, back to the fucking party....hahaha actually Hippywise, my old friend LOU (commie-bastard that he may have been) above is credited with coining the phrase"Make Love, Not War"...I did not know it till I started reading up on him yesterday....

[Digger168]

Jumpin Jimminy Cricket.

It's a left to the sacroilliac
It's a right to the obdula oblebgottahavit
It's a left to the Indagoddadavida
It's a Right to the Spleen!

(Stop the fight, throw in the towl!)

Yikes`

[Digger168]

Actually,...much more sex please!

Ahhhhhhh!

Thank you.....

Ciggarette?

[teepi]

not fighting sweetie.
Just was enjoying the mellownness of the thread till the politics snuck in.

This forum is for reuniting with old friends, discussing old times and the like. No one should be called loony or anti american because of what we experienced 35 years ago.

If anyone wants to throw political debates around there are other forums around here for that.

Carry on....

[Digger168]

I kin dig it!

I's trying a little funnin o' my own
to get folks ta see the lighter side of this life.
It's in my spirtual nature ta make people
laugh and try to look at themselves a little.

But, I is gonna duck when the metaphorical bullets fly!

Believe you me!

[THUDLY]

Jerrywobbles sure told me!.. There is no anger going down; just the truth.


I WAS THERE!

[Digger168]

Be that the case, I will attempt to bow out with grace and dignity, and allow you two to duke it out,...

kindly!

[teepi]

weirdness abounds.
Didn't know I was duking it out...
I was where I was too. But I was not where you were... I think??

Just a little 12 year old lost in the big city, was not into trying to figure anything out except how to make it to the next day.

I try to be kind to all....

[Templedragon]

That's coolio kind sister. You my same age, I am oct 3, 1958. We are almost grown up!
He he. I don't think it matters whether someone is liberal (Iam) or radical (I am) or conservative (I'm not). Leftist, rightist, all that shit... all that matters is that we are kind to each other, and Lord allmighty we don't seem to take to kindness easy.
Even us hippies. I'm guilty of it meself, but I keep comin back and trying again, better each tim!

Om Shanti, Namaste

[gate68]

JESUS! DIDN'T ANYONE LEARN! CAN'T YOU SEE! THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT WILL WIN FOREVER UNTIL YOU SILLY LEFTISTS QUIT INSISTING THE GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN'S GUNS AWAY AND THAT BABY-MURDER IS AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE.


what's wrong with baby murder?you can collect skulls.

[Mellow Yellow]

It amazes me that lying about getting a blow job in the Oval Office (correct you are lurker) is somehow considered an impeachable offense, and yet somehow a preemptive strike based on lies, resulting in the loss of thousands of lives, is not, what was that crap about "moral values" again? The Christian Right will win until justice is served...but I digress, this isn't a forum on politics after all...

Freedom, isn't that what this is about?

Freedom of expression in all forms, freedom to bare arms, legs, and the rest of you, and freedom of choice over your own body. Freedom only ends where another's freedom begins...

[lurker]

Getting a blow job in the oval office is not an impeachable offense, if it was almost every president would have been at risk. Lying in federal court is an impeachable offense and that was why clinton was impeached.

[SLOTH]

Abbie Hoffman

Abbie Hoffman was a leader of the Youth International Party. At trial, Hoffman described himself as "an orphan of America" and "a child of Woodstock Nation." He was, perhaps, the most intriguing figure in Judge Hoffman's courtroom. Hoffman believed that identity is defined by myth propagated through the media.

Hoffman was born in Worcester, Massachusetts on November 30, 1936. He graduated from Brandeis in 1959, then picked up a master's degree at Berkeley. In the early 1960's, he returned to Worcester to work as a psychologist in a state hospital. His career in political activism began with his work for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the South. Hoffman was still relatively straight until 1966 when he turned onto drugs and began the loosely organized Yippie movement.

Hoffman went underwent plastic surgery and assumed the underground alias of "Barry Freed" in 1974 to avoid trial on charges of possessing cocaine. He stayed underground in upper New York state until 1980, when he surrendered to authorities. He was sentenced to a work-release program in 1981-82, then resumed his life of political activism. In 1987, Hoffman was arrested for the forty-second time while protesting CIA recruitment at the University of Massachusetts with Amy Carter and thirteen others.

At a 1988 reunion of the Chicago Seven, Hoffman described himself as "an American dissident. I don't think my goals have changed since I was four and I fought schoolyard bullies."

On April 12, 1989, Hoffman was found dead at his home in New Hope, Pennsylvania. The death was later ruled a suicide.

Biographies Page
Chicago 7 Trial Homepage

Anything else that anyone needs to know about Abby~Ask Jeeves~Search engine
would be a good start for facts.

Personally~
What is your problem THUDLY on Abby?
I don't get it?
He was an activest and a fighter for the
cause just like the hippies were~

Hey Steve~
Where are ya~
Send me an e-mail
As always Carol

[wildfire]

did the courtroom scene in steal this movie protray the chicago 8 trial correctly? is there some where i can get a transcript of the trial or a summary from someone who was there?

[gate68]

O.K....i'll go for it.Now we're them,now what???How bout we take our guns and show the rest of the world what they're doing wrong too,you know"by any means necessary".we could start in iraq.Wait a minute...umm..seems we've come full circle.How bout we just peace out?peace


Books by ABBIE HOFFMAN;
Revolution For The Hell Of It
Woodstock Nation
Steal This Book
Steal This Book: The Sequel[unpublished]
Vote! [coauthored]
To America With Love [coauthored]
Soon To Be a Major Motion Picture
Square Dancing in the Ice Age
Steal This Urine Test

Just thought as how i had disrupted the thread subject and the thread is devoted to one of the most influential characters in my life i would bring it back if i could to ABBIE! YIPPIE!!!!!
From 'Steal This Urine Test' back cover....Millions of Americans are already being subjected to a meaningless and degrading urine test for drug use, and millions more are about to join their ranks. Drug testing is now common practice in sports, the military, prisons, one third of the Fortune 500 corporations,and many occupations related to "national security" and "public safety". Politicians and pressure groups are calling for mandatory testing of almost the entire population. Attorney General Edwin Meese has urged employers to keep track of workers not only on the shop floor but in their off-job hours as well.
Now from Abbie Hoffman, America's best known and most consistent rebel-author of the 70's classic STEAL THIS BOOK-comes a substantive challenge to urine testing and the greatest drug hysteria in American history. Claiming the tests are unconstitutional, Hoffman compares them to the "Red Menace": "They have little to do with drug abuse, and a lot to do with controlling workers and weeding out undesireables".
'Steal This Urine Test' is an activist handbook for beating drug tests, as well as a common-sense antidote to much of the misinformation passing as truth about drugs. For workers, students, athletes, and parents, this book champions the Bill of Rights, and raises a challenge to Big Government intrusion.
End of bookcover......

Abbie believed in "Participatory Democracy", that we all have a say in our government and if you don't like what 'their' doing, do your best to change it. Legally if possible, and "BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY", if not. Abbie took on the CIA lawyers and won in court. Abbie was found dead.
I think that after two elections have been proven stolen by the nazi's that installed 'bushco' as our representational 'faceman' and the 'mediamerika' says nothing it's past time to employ any means necessary[GUNS] www.lizmichael.com (http://www.lizmichael.com/) and either take back this government for ourselves or remove ALL support and 'head for the hills', as they say. Since my stepfather was a marine and i used to get thrilled by their firepower demonstations and know the weaponry they'll employ against us, and i also know that this country deserves the karma it's gonna reap one day[hopefully SOON]i'm supporting ONLY alternative 'ways and means' and somehow or another gonna escape this FUCKING REGIME! I hope that the few who's eyes are TRULY open, www.luminist.org (http://www.luminist.org/) to all scenario's of possible future occurrances are doing what my old boy scout motto said, 'BE PREPARED', and that all who support and believe in this goddamned pignation and help further it's open agenda of global domination will either get hip, or perish. So the rest of US can usher in the new paradigm of global, earth friendly, MARIJUANA SMOKING, hemp using, tribalnationstateanarchistic COMMUNITY of WOODSTOCK NATION! steve
PS, If not quite above, THEN HEADED THAT WAY! THE SEEDS ARE EVERYWHERE!! This site being a big seed itself. Thanks to Skip.

[gate68]

Think i'll go bury my head in the sand...nature has no law

[SLOTH]

Hey there wildfire~
I believe that you can get a transcript of the trial~
A lot of us was there during the time of the Yippie
movement,and the Chicago 7 trial~
Maybe if you try the ask Jeeves or any other search engine
and type in what info you want,maybe that would help?
Otherwise maybe Vioded37 or Shamless Heffier or some oldies would have a suggestion?
Gabba Gabba Hey~
Hey Steve_I will check my yahoo mail now~
Luv you too~
Gabba Gabba Hey

[THUDLY]

Sounds as if voided37 has the existential horrors.


Not to worry: they come and they go, unlike some of the posters (poseurs?) on this forum-- they never go.

[gate68]

I think that after two elections have been proven stolen by the nazi's that installed 'bushco' as our representational 'faceman' and the 'mediamerika' says nothing it's past time to employ any means necessary[GUNS] .
When one calls for a violent revolution they should have a back up plan and a good reason.

[carpet cleaner]

Think i'll go bury my head in the sand...nature has no lawWhen one calls for a violent revolution they should have a back up plan and a good reason.
I think we should kill everybody and let God sort this out.

[carpet cleaner]

I squat when I pee.

[Mellow Yellow]

Thanks for that informative account of Abbie Hoffman, Sloth, aint that Ask Jeeves handy? Amazing how all the good ones die...

Think about it, Clinton lied about sex and got impeached, Bush lied about violence and did not...yet...

[gdhmomchild]

He didn't get impeached, he was tried for it but 2/3's needed voted him not guilty.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/impeachment/vote/vote_article1.html

[THUDLY]

Gotta leave y'all-- on my way to my 40th high school re-union. I rented a room, can get completely wasted and maybe get lucky with Jeanie who always flies in from Seattle without her husband. (Five years ago, my old buddy Denny nailed her-- this time I'm hoping to beat him too the punch!)

[shameless_heifer]

My goodness, I can't leave for a day and people are walking all over this thread. I thought when I opened this forum it would be a nice pleasent vacation from the outside world. A place to relax and just hang out and talk like civlized human beings.
I imagained this to be a Garden of love and brotherhood of like minded souls that gather in frindship and comradry.
If ya'll want to bicker and be ugly acting, please do it outside the Garden Gate. This is not the place for being rowdy, or calling anyone down for their beliefs. Everybody read the rules when they signed up. Please abide by them.

Thank You Teepi for holding things together.
sh

[teepi]

HAHAHA .....I TRY!!!
But you know this can be a wild and crazy bunch.

Glad your back sister.

[teepi]

Hey Void...just sent you a Pm...

[teepi]

Don't know if Mary is going to call names...

And I won't...

This is for everyone...
If you question your posts then read the Garden guidlines and check yourself.
Mary is right, there are numerous forums here to be political, be a hot head (although you do have to be careful with that)...be sexual, or share a recipe.
Please read what the Garden is about, and make sure you really want to be here.
And if you really don't ...then don't fuck it up for the rest of us....K???

There's far more than enough everyday bullshit going on out there in the so called Real world and this place can and should be a nice groovy kind a place to come in and know that you won't have to defend how you feel, and you will have a nice soft place to kick back and talk about the old times and share what you have. Maybe have a laugh or learn a thing or two.

Yeah I know...I should go drink a cup of warm milk...hahahah.

[teepi]

Yes, how right you are...we love it.

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

TEEPI, vanilla flavored SILK SOYMILK!!!!!! GREAT STUFF.heheh, this man speaks a lot of truth ;) :):)

now for super ethical eating, try the unsweetened kind. its not real vanilla in the vanilla if you didnt notice, real vanilla prices went up 600% recently for reasons unknown to me. mostly sugar, from the wonderful sugar industries who addict and unbalance our beings unknowingly and lobby and pay our government fat wads of money to oversugar us in almost everything we eat.

another one that youll find in damn near everything you eat because the government is paid to allow it, is (more often than not, genetically modified) high fructose corn syrup. from apple sauce, to ketchup, to bread, your sure to find this vibration of corruption alllll over typical grocery stores, and even in some products in health food stores, namely tofutti products and some others im sure. guess it sorda sucks watchin out for it, but i dont mind the extra hunt+sacrafice for the extra organic earthy goodness.

people who worry about missing certain foods go hand in hand with the people who worry about their lawns imo...people on budgets i can understand, but conscious consuming is a very good thing to try to turn onto. it isnt that much more if your conscious of how to shop smart with common sense either. more often than not, budget is just an excuse people use to stick with their conditioned conventional habits.

open your mind, try something new, and drink some ethical, ecological, healthier, AND tastier/morenjoyable soymilk. its in every conventional grocery store if you take 2 seconds to look, and if ya dont like it, its like 3 bucks, not too big of a loss? always start with vanilla or chocolate is my advice : ) youll be glad you did, i promise.

now if we could just turn teepi onto soysauge(lol), we'd be set....or at least get her off the conventional cattle(and pigs), theyre the hardest on the environment..thats not askin too much is it? its second only to automobiles in terms of environmental destruction...

[teepi]

actually we usually make our own soymilk.
Larry is borderline diabetic and we stay away from alot of sugar.
However when we go to the big city it is usually an all day trip and to ward off the hungries I usually pack something to at and we pick up a half gallon of the silk for a treat.

We also eat very little meat.
I will buy some and use a hand full here and there to season food. We don't eat beef.
The chicken we eat comes from a local who raises them,sells eggs and dressed chickens, They are free range.

I also make my own bean burgers. Just too much crap in them stores anymore so if I can grow it or make it myself all the better.

I use ALOT of applesauce...make my own if I can get good apples locally...we have got them from the Amish here.
If I do buy it I buy the unsweetened...why in the world would you ever ADD sugar to applesauce.
I use alot because when I bake I replace any oil with applesauce. The pectin is a great fat replacer.
Can't sub it for pie crust but its fine in brownies,cakes and quick breads.

How wonderful of you to be concerned with my health.
You are very sweet.

[Mellow Yellow]

No need to call names, I'm sure mine's on the list...Hey, I just like to provoke a little thought, I don't mean to offend anyone...but I really respect people who piss me off, provided I can rationalize their point of view...

I hope my soulmate-lover-earth-mother will chime in soon, Shameless would love her (and don't ask how she puts up with me), she's drawn to the artistic aspect...

Y'all be well now!

Smoke a fattie for me, I'll be smokin' one for you....

Love ya,
Mark

I really dig Joni's rendition of the song, her voice is so sweet, "and we got to get ourselves back to the garden"...

[shameless_heifer]

Voided your cool dude,Love ya.. I haven't got the time to address everything right now, but Teepi I loves ya woman. Carol I hope you recover soon I loves ya too. Thudly, well your thud n we loves ya also. Mellow keep on keepin' on dude. Gdmom, lovely to see you gal (((hugs))). I know I missed a couple but like I said I don't have time, so I'm giving you all a Big Grope Hug.. heh heh..
Brightest Blesssings
sah

[teepi]

BUSY time of year here too Mary...
Hope all is going well there.

Thanks for the big GROPE hug...hahahhaa

Love you too....BIG time.

[Mellow Yellow]

High fructose corn syrup, now that's bad news! I always avoid it if at all possible, and I try to go for unrefined sugar and sweeteners in more natural forms like honey.

Soy milk is good, it works great as a creamer for tea. Tofu's good too, and if you freeze it it takes on the consistency of meat, and you can add it to spaghetti sauce, soup, etc., or do the stir fry thing.

We also raise chickens, free range, and we produce our own organic eggs for breakfast every day. When the chickens get older, we eat them. We tried raising meat birds once that turned out to be mutants, never again. They were too scary, and unnatural. It's hard to believe these are the same chickens they sell in the supermarkets, except that ours were treated far more humanely.

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

Very cool Mellow Yellow! I love to see hippies turned onto the good karma friendly food that nourishes not only the Earth and it's life, but ourselves and tastebuds too. Its a shame many are so touchy and closed-minded about food, when it truly takes very little effort or sacrafice to eat better and more ethically. :(

What is the difference between a meat bird and a chicken?

I don't have much of a problem with you raising your own chickens, its the factory farms that REALLY bother me. The only problem I have with organic meat farms is that, the animals are raised for death. Sure their not fed chicken shit and pesticide filled food, and not injected with antibiotics, and they dont live in cages in buildings, but their life is still not truly respected I dont think. Their raised to get the organic label on their food, and killed when profitable often. Their not killed when its THEIR time to go, but when we say it is, and that is the problem I have with MOST of them.

Plus I just dont believe humans are SUPPOSED to consume animal products, and they mess with your spirit and energy. That also goes for a lot of processed vegan food which I eat a lot of too. If youve ever done a fast or raw veganism stints you probably know what I mean. I will admit though, I'm also guilty to baking with organic free range eggs from time to time. But afaik, eggs are simply a way of recycling and hens lay many more than necessary. Read something very interesting in the gardening forum, a foraging thread, that agriculture was the downfall of man. He stopped eating what nature intended, lost variety in his diet, and lost the vital life force that a TRUELY natural diet gave him. I have a very strong feeling there is some truth to this, especially after reading Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.

I agree, soymilk is delicious when added to tea, or just plain. I like to mix real organic maple syrup in mine sometimes for a real treat, heavenly mix...

I've heard bad things about some honey raisers, and I definatley believe bees have some sentience to them. But I'm not completley against, Daniel Quinn did it for a long time and I have a great respect for that mans spirit and anything he did. He said every bee was an individual with different personality aspects, and every hive was also a larger collective unique individual.

I know its only inevitable things are hurt so that I can survive buying things from the store... even though I try to do the best I can and shop as ethically and consciously as possible(which truly is NOT that hard if you just set out a tiny bit of good intention), I know the Earth and some of its life still takes a punch one way or another. So I just say a prayer of thanks for the sustainence they give, and try to be a worthy recipient and make my life count. Hope you all do the same : )

[Mellow Yellow]

It's difficult to always be ethical about eating, but I do my best...

Meat birds are chickens that have been genetically manipulated over generations to produce the maximum amount of meat, and they're the ones they sell for meat in the supermarkets. They're these huge mutant things that thump the ground when they run, pretty grotesque really. Furthermore, it's obvious that the natural selection process wouldn't have selected them because they're really stupid (a tasty treat for predators), and they grow so fast many of them die from heart failure prior to maturity. We were unable to continue to raise them because they seemed miserable, and we didn't want to be responsible for that.

We treat our chickens as we do our pets, we keep them nourished and in a clean environment, and I think they live a good life. Though I do eat meat, I think of the karma thing like the Jewish tradition of eating kosher foods. If the chicken or whatever you eat lives a miserable life, has been abused, or has been butchered in an unthinkable way (like they do for the supermarkets), that bad karma is passed on to you.

Some more food for thought (no pun intended)...I've heard a theory that our teeth and digestive tract are such that humans were meant to be herbivors, I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it's interesting nonetheless...

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

I've heard the herbivore argument as well from an old hippy landscaper I know(who isnt even a 100% veggie), and seen it argued by Peta people countless times. Wouldnt surprise me a single bit if there were truth to it... I know from my personal experience though, that meat is not good for your spirit...

I always thought it was growth hormones that made chickens that big, and caused them to not be able to walk and sometimes die early of heart failure. Maybe you bought birds with the mones injected already and got the info confused? Or its possible both methods are practiced, either way its pretty evil and very very unfortunate.

Thats also a Buddhist thing I believe. In ram dass' book be here now, he says the vibration of your food is passed onto you, regardless of animal origin or not. If it was grown with love, that love nourishes you all the more. He says its also important to bless your food and say mantras preparing it to purify it all the more, but thats not really my trip. I feel plenty pure just abstaining from processed food and eating an organic raw vegan diet, with prayer or not. I think I read in The celestine prophecy too, that food grown with love where people spent lots of time with plants and showed them lots of attention and gratefulness, their nutrition levels rised. Im not sure how scientific it was, but im sure theres some truth to this somehow. Another good reason to grow your own organic food.

It truly isnt that hard to be an ethical eater I dont think. Or at least cut out a LARGE majority of bad vibed bad earthed things in your diet. Enjoyin your posts though man, be good.

[white rabbitt]

abbie was a jerk i knew him, by the way arron and me are friends we go way back, i was with abbie and jerry in chicago i saw the ny bullshit they pulled there, ripping off hippies at the convention in 68
abbie and jerry were no heros they were ny street hippies, just ny street hippies, doing there hustle to live

[Scarlit Rose Flowz]

Voided - your post reminds me of something Jerry Garcia once wrote... "Everything you know is wrong, but thats still the way it is." Man made concepts, of course, everything is... language and human drama rule our lives...Regardless of our incapability to objectively percieve truth in a truly accurate way and capture moments, we can still trust these judgments...

I dont think theres anything wrong with thinking about what is right and what is wrong...oh the irony in that statement. If more people considered the way they conducted themselves, the world would be a lot better off. People sayin fuck the system and livin without fear would probly make the world a lot better too, but isnt that deciding ultimatley somethins not right???

And doesnt growing into something bigger and better include peace and love? Just doing or saying what one feels like and is desirous of, and more than likely fuckin up, seems like the hard way of learnin things and lettin karma kick your ass eventually...Once has to put consideration and compassion into ones actions, you reap what you sow and it all comes back through interconnection, I have no doubt. See and feel it happen all the time, to the point where I just CANT deny it...

I'm all for sayin fuck the world, and I definatley share that similar mind model with people like George Carlin, Bill Maher, you, etc... but I think all these people are deeply compassionate at their core and occasionally their lucky enough to let that part of them surface...and I think ultimatley they want to lead as compassionate lives as possible because they know thats their true nature. Ever see George Carlins 40 year special? Hes actually a really kind soft person, even though hes all about trashing people and this world in his routines...

[teepi]

And this is why I moved to the woods and do everything we possibly can for ourselves.
I help where I can, but I have very little to do with society as a whole.
This country is rotting from the inside out as it is from the outside in.

The less you have to do with the public as a whole, the goverment and all authority...the better.

Doom monger??? Nope. Realist??? YEP.

And whatever you do...DON'T touch any door knobs!!!

[gate68]

Have some faith.Sure it's a fucked up world,but it's a beautiful place if you let it.

[white rabbitt]

dont buy into the crap that abbie hoffmam & jerry rubin were heros, they were fun lovein ny hippie jerks, out to rip off any and all hippie that they could, thats the real abbie and jerry, not 2 nice guys ny street hippies, big difference
peace
white rabbitt

[teepi]

Oh Gate,

I have plenty of faith....haven't eaten any bullets yet.
my faith in the planet in its natural state, mother nature and people who respect each others space in very intact.

I've lived in NYC, LA , DC,Norfolk and many smaller places.
Thumbed across this country twice.
Lived at Earth Peoples Park and in a car.
Lived in foster homes,reform schools and a fancy ass boarding school.
Been kidnapped.
And I've been in a mental hospital.

Worked as a dancer, a gardener, a photo processor, in restaurants,as a pharmacy tech, an advertising exec., and put lead in eyebrow pencils,plus numerous other jobs.

I've known crazy people, mean people,criminals, wonderful people,celebrities,musicians,pimps,sailors, holy people, and the ones your mother warned you about......

So after all that....the bestest place for me????.....the woods.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

[THUDLY]

Sounds like white rabbit knows his shit-- I said the same thing about 15 pages or so ago.


The next goddamn thing I'll read is that Jane Fonda was a "hero".

They should've arrested her for treason.

[Mellow Yellow]

cut out a LARGE majority of bad vibed bad earthed things in your diet.
Now you're talkin', Scarlit, it's the karma of the food you eat that becomes one with your karma. I've also read about what you speak of regarding Buddhist rituals and eating, and while I'm with you that it's a little over the top to engage in thes rituals, I had an Eastern Medican man (accupuncturist/herbalist) tell me years ago that the ritual of eating is in itself nearly as important as the food you eat. If you're stressed and on the run like so many people in this country, your body won't assimilate it into your body in a positive way like it will if you're in a quiet meditative state while eating.

To set the record straight about our experiment raising meat chickens, it's not just growth hormones, they are actually a different breed of chicken than the egg layers, we fed them the same food we feed our egg chickens (not the medicated stuff with antibiotics and/or growth hormones the corporations feed theirs), and they grew a lot slower than they might've, but they were still awful.

I think anyone who's tried organic food (I'm sure that includes all present) knows you just feel better all around than subsisting off that processed crap they sell at the supermarket (and I'll spare you my rant about GMO's, and the horrible corporations like Monsanto that have destroyed agriculture as we know it, I'm sure you can relate).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

...But, I digress...what was the topic of this thread again? Oh yeah...

I think I'm with teepi on the idea isolating myself from the main stream, living in the woods, and letting the empire crumble of it's own immense bloated weight...I can feel it happening already...and the further you are from it, the better off you are.

It really sucks the futility in attempting to affect change, it's not the same world it was in Abbie Hoffman's day, it seemed like then it was actually possible for one man to affect large-scale change through civil disobedience, not so easy now. But I haven't lost hope...

A few years ago Pfizer was gonna build a big research facility in our back yard, atop the highest point for miles no less, so any waste that might've been discharged would contaminate an immense watershed. Of course, no one in our community wanted it there, but the corporates with their big fancy houses elsewhere sure did. A friend of mine made this his personal project, worked on it full time for months on end without pay, was destitute and practically homeless for the duration as a result. But he was savvy about the law, zoning, etc., so he finally made it so difficult for these people that they just backed out. Big victory for us, but if it hadn't been for him, they would've just bulldozed it through, since the law can only be upheld if there's a watchdog there to do it...

[teepi]

while I did enjoy"Steal this book" and it came in handy at a time in my life...I lived in NY inthe very early 70's...I never knew Hoffman or Ruben or any of them as far as I can remember.

But I do know about people, that in my opinion are full of shit....but others hold them up in high esteem...Jesse Jackson for one.
I don't know him personally so it only comes down to what I deducte from my public knowledge.

As far as someone knowing their shit.....you may know one thing but not another.
You may be well versed in one thing but not another.
You may know some one personally and know your shit about that person but not another.

I may agree with one thing you say but not another.

You may have some book learnin' but lack common sense.
yingo yango.....

It kills me when these freakin celebrities spout off in a public forum (music award shows or any tv platform) and people will embrace those ideals...just because this person is in the lime light.
eeeewwwww....SOandso(insert celeb name here) said it so I"m gonna believe it,vote for it, join it.....holds as much water with me as if the drunk guy down the road said it.

[teepi]

Right on Mellow.
While I live in the woods, I do still get involved in things that provoke a passion in me.
Right now I am talking with the Public Utilities Comm of Ohio.
I am pissed off that to have electricity out here you are forced to join a rural elec co-op.
There is a fee to join.
And although our usage runs about 20.00 amonth they tack on that other 10.....for what??? I don't know.
It is a monopoly, you have to join to have elec. then they charge an extra 10.00 a month for a 'line charge'...the per killowat cost is no lower than any other public utility comp. in the state.
Also on your bill it says if you do get cut off it is 200.00 to be reconnected.
This is one of the top 3 poorest counties in Ohio.
I figure that if you are having a problem paying your bill in the first place and get cut off...how in the hell can you come up with 200.00 more?
They have the monopoly...they could charge a thousand dollars if they wanted...not being a 'public' utility but a private co-op they are beyond regulation.

Sorry for the spouting...but it just pisses me off.
All the more reason to keep saving for the wind generator...

[shameless_heifer]

I have to same gripe as living in the country. Co Opp everything. I think I got Lynn convinced to redig the well and put a windmill on it and make our own eletricity, we could run all three houses with it and the barns with juice to spare. I want solar too, but will settle for the windmill right now. I want off the grid entirely, I don't like others making disissions for me. and if all hell does break loose then we won't be dependant on their shit. And don't get me started on thew TAXES... almost 1,000$.. good grief.
There oughta be a law.. ha!
sh

[gate68]

You all found the woods,i found the desert the same way.It's harder to hide but we do have the serenity.Windmills solar,even here in kalifornia it's cheaper to pay for the electricity.Speaking of Kal,How bout one of those freakin celebrities as your govenor?Don't get me started.peace

[gate68]

Sounds like white rabbit knows his shit-- I said the same thing about 15 pages or so ago.


The next goddamn thing I'll read is that Jane Fonda was a "hero".

They should've arrested her for treason.
anybody that could star in Barbarella and still show her face is a hero in my book.

[dlo24844]

I didn't know there was an Abbie movie but we need people like him to stand up and speak against the bullshit Amerikon pig and the politicians like Auztralia's John Howard who seem to lick Bush's arse.Ithank Abbie for all he done. He made mistakes but after all he was only human like you and me. I Thank him for encouraging me to protest the first g.bush visit to Melb. Auzt in the early 90's. This proves even know he had passed away his sprit lives on. Love Peace andREVOLUTION

[THUDLY]

Well, fuck me down! Someone on the hipforums has actually read "The Turner Diaries"! I read about half of it (it's posted in its entirety somewhere on the web), but since it's so badly written, I lost interest.


Voided37, when you find a forum with No censorship and where posters must list their real names and addresses-- let me know. I've never found one.

The scene: In a crowded theatre.

Burl N. Corbett (AKA THUDLY shouts: FIRE! FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR GODDAMN LIVES!

[carpet cleaner]

I'm scrolling down this thread and i see gate deleted cause of ignore list. And i hate that cause i don't believe in censorship. But i guess it's like when you know one on the streets and you go outta your way to help[coyote thing]and then later you find out they were in that position cause they asked for it. And by being friendly all you did was fuck yourself.....I used to say it takes all kinds to make the world go around and then more and more years go by and i got sick of hearing of rapists, child molesters, BATF, serial killers, DEA, Jeff Dahmer homocannibals, FBI, wifebeaters, multinational corporate polluters, pres bush's, pres clinton, pres reagon, youngblackgangsters, oldwhitegangsters, misogynists, landraperdevelopers, and all the 1st world governments and their suckups and i've come to the conclusion that it does not take all kinds to make this world go around. All the above need an LE![learning experience]I own and have read a copy of 'The Turner Diaries' and at the end the survivors of the race wars were rejoicing that all that were left in the world were white people and what a great thing it was. I thought to myself....BORING!!! I LOVE my BLACK, RED, YELLOW, BROWN, OLIVE and OTHER SKINTONE SISTERS and BROTHERS! But, do we really need all the bullshit between us put there by our respective governments and by our own lack of social and communicative skills?Of the most prominent religions thruout the worldand the less prominent[Red Sisters and Brothers Legends and Myths, Zoroastrianism, Wicca, Santaria, Voodoo, on and on...]the one thing most prevalent is the Golden Rule, [b]Do Unto Others as you would have Them Do Unto You[At least among your own kind, some say].It behooves us all[LOL]to consider that we meet here on a site in hippy.com to discuss issues and just meet others of LIKE MIND for our benefit and enjoyment. Hippy.com to me would symbolize a place of peace, respect, sincerity, and maybe passion for our World and each other. WHY DO I FIND SO LITTLE OF THAT HERE!????I belong to a site called The FALFILES. It's a site devoted to lovers of the Fabric Nationale[FN], Fusile Automatique Legere[FAL]which is a battle rifle of the first order. A mankilling machine. That if used for it's intended purpose does it's job very well. You may think that falfiles would be full of mankiller type assholes but in fact you'll search far and wide for a site where it's members treat each other with as much courtesy, respect and downright comradery as they do. All around a war weapon[man determines it's usage, the rifle has no moral anything].Now why is it that here on this site you have so many that wanna give the other a hard time and look for things to harm the others words over and on the warweapon site folks get along so well? THIS IS WHY; Because an armed society is a polite society most times and because when the subject is POWER over another people tend to listen hard and choose their words well. THAT'S WHY.When the subject is a fantasy world of damn near anything goes[like here for alot]like what most here's concept of the 'hippy' world was, then folk's figure their not bound by the rules of common courtesy or sense. And that's a fuckin' shame cause i for one was[am]ready to die for the ideals of the DAYS i grew up in and i put up with countless examples of hardship for hair lenght, thought crime, rejection of stereotype[i'm no 'hippy'], rejection of my parents world, and rejection of the type of interaction i see all over these boards. So why don't more here act right? And what's the limit of our ability to straighten them out? How will they get their LE? I've discovered the 'Ignore' trick and gonna stick to it a while. Someday i'll find a site with ABSOLUTELY no censorship and everyones name and home address's will be posted for all to see and i'll join. And i'll bet people there will act 'right'. So others won't act 'wrong'.In the meantime 'black wabit' needs to know that once one is passed on, LET THEM REST. Read the rest of this thread and take a hint before you start trying to advance yourself by cutting a 'dead' person. Abbie was a hustler first[THANKS ABBIE!!!], he must of got your nonspelling ass good once[LOLOL].The rest of ya'll keep on keeping on....no probs....All in all this thread is not the one's i refer to above.Abbie talked about a GUN in one hand, a flower in the other. Maybe we should be using the guns to save what's left of the flowers....[bet gate loves that talk, WHAT CHU SAY?????? IIIII CANNN"TTTTTT HEARRRRRRR YOOUUUUUUUU!!! LOLOLOL}Did you ignore Gate so you can bash her without repercussion?Black Wabbit?You should start by posting your name and address for all the spammers and hate mongers out there.

[gate68]

get your guns martha the boy said a bad word,we'll teach em to act right.wtf an armed society is a polite society?Violent revolution so we can grow our hair and smoke pot?fuck courtesy,stop the killing,that would be real courteous.

[shameless_heifer]

I do wish ya'll would take this crap over to the rants and raves thread. If you want to see some censorship keep fucking up my Garden.
Voided keep a civil tongue in your head, your talking about woman well I am a woman and your offending me with how your attacking people here, now please calm it down a taste. It may make you feel better but it doesn't resonate well with me. Can we make this a peaceful assembly and not drag personalities into it. I know you mean well and I do apperciate your heart, but please remember to Harm None my friend. And that goes for everyone!!
Can we have a little unity and brotherhood here please. Can we show the youngers that we can be what we claim to be, peace loveing people. Can we just be cool and set an example for them to follow. What is this small shit causing in the universal flow. Stickers and Thrones. That is not the Leagacy I want to leave. Can we show a little love here for a change.
I love you all and want every one to be happy.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[THUDLY]

I know how to make napalm and load and wire dynamite-- used to do it working pipeline. I used to steal dynamite (40% nitro) and electric caps and blow up abandoned cars at an old quarry where we used to swim.


Oh yeah, we made pipe bombs and blasted fish, too!

BOOOOOOOOM!

[hippiewise]

totally agree with shameless heifer, 'why can't we be friends?' as the rock group war so greatly said it? i came from a really angry and demeaning website, don't wanna see it happen here, too many cool heads here, let's just talk the good and gentle talk>
happy thanksgiving to you all
hippiewise angel

[gate68]

I do wish ya'll would take this crap over to the rants and raves thread. If you want to see some censorship keep fucking up my Garden.
Voided keep a civil tongue in your head, your talking about woman well I am a woman and your offending me with how your attacking people here, now please calm it down a taste. It may make you feel better but it doesn't resonate well with me. Can we make this a peaceful assembly and not drag personalities into it. I know you mean well and I do apperciate your heart, but please remember to Harm None my friend. And that goes for everyone!!
Can we have a little unity and brotherhood here please. Can we show the youngers that we can be what we claim to be, peace loveing people. Can we just be cool and set an example for them to follow. What is this small shit causing in the universal flow. Stickers and Thrones. That is not the Leagacy I want to leave. Can we show a little love here for a change.
I love you all and want every one to be happy.
Brightest Blessings
sh"say can i have some of your purple berries"
CSN

[shameless_heifer]

If I can have some of your red ones. I need them for the jello mold. :)

[wildfire]

I use alot because when I bake I replace any oil with applesauce. The pectin is a great fat replacer.
Can't sub it for pie crust but its fine in brownies,cakes and quick breads.

ha! funny you should mention that, i just learned that the other day. i have always used applesause instead of oil and try to do that for a pie crust-came out tuff as hell, it took me about ten minutes to cut and piece of pie and had to rip part of it cause the knife would cut it all the way.

[teepi]

ha Wild fire....I too have learned a bit the 'hard way'.
But those lessons are sometimes the best,usually you don't forget them.

But its fun to experiment in the kitchen...you can eat your mistakes...well,sometimes you can,hahaha

[THUDLY]

Hey, Hippiewise-- where's this "angry and demeaning" forum you mention located at? Sounds like my kind of deal!


I can hold my own with the big boys. (Just wish Mencken and Westbrook Pegler were on-line somewhere.)

[teepi]

who is G-d?????

And some weeds SUCK!!!
They over run, stragling EVERYT^HING they come into contact with.
They are overbearing, smothering,hurtful and invasive.
Some are beautiful and useful and glorious,but as they cannot control themselves we sometimes have to limit their invasivness.

I had a house in Va. years ago and along the side of the house a plant grew..Virginia Creeper.
It is a vine that becomes a woody vine, very strong. It grew up under the shingles on the house and started busting them.
I liked the plant, beautiful vine, but I had to put it under control or it would have destroyed the house.

So weeds have their place, but unless you want them invading your space, you do have to exert a bit of control.
Go down to Tenn. and watch the Kudzu....it will overtake any and everything in its path.

I have enough space here to not worry too much about weeds, they are all over as we live in the woods. But I do keep them out of my garden or I won't have a good harvest. That keeps me from enjoying what I planted. My tomatoes will not have to compete for water and light as long as I can bend over and pluck out a weed.

[shameless_heifer]

I like that Teepi, Being a Flower, you'd know.
My Calf (son) is here and I am so happy. I havent seen him in almost four years. He and his wife came for two weeks. They are at the sore so I thought I'd drop in and catch up.
Well gotta run now.. brightest Blessings
sh

[teepi]

I thought you might have some family in for the holiday.
Thats wonderful, I know you're loving having them there.
Its so sad that we often have miles between us and our loved ones.

Enjoy your time and we'll see you soon.
Love to you sister,
teepi

[teepi]

HA.....yep.

Just write God when I mean all inclusiveness. I use all the letters.
It's a word.

Yes I believe we are all one.
There is a ripple effect in all we say,do and think that affects others close and far away.
Its all energy and it flows.
It is hard to convey what you say and truly mean here, there is a delay between each post unless the person a post may be directed at or one who chooses to respond when no direction is given,is here right at the time you are.
TREMENDOUS misunderstandings happen this way.
Happens all the time.
Here all I or you have are words.
So I do try to choose them carefully when I respond to someone, or voice an opinion.
I'm not into hurting,or embarrassing or needling anyone.
If someone is an ass I tryt o point it out in a gentle way so maybe they will listen. But it does and doesn't matter.

I have said things to some youngins who came here and were so harsh towards alot of us...for no reason and I talked to everyone of them. In private, and it all changed.

No one likes to be attacked (percieved or not) in 'public'.
I can argue a point and I can stand up for myself, but I try to choose my battles wisely. I do this in my home also and Larry and I have had 4 disagreements where I just had to grab him by the collar and...KISS HIM!!!
Because there is just so few things that I think trading angry words are worth.
Yes I am guilty of just 'trying to get along'.
But...fuck with my kids, my dog.my husband or my land and that crazy Cuban temper gets down right NUTTY.

Anything else...I will tell you what I think and you can take it from there.
I often try to make a point by telling a story, or an alleghy (sp).
This way I am not attacking anyone personally but maybe (hopefully) making them think.
As in the whole weed thing.

Now as far as the word 'Peace' at the end of your post......AAACCCKKK!!!!!!
Hope you were not questioning ME......
Refer back to our last PM's BROTHER!!!
Don't worry sweetie, I can go back and forth with you, without it meaning I would turn my back on you...

I love everyone here and the people that have known me for over 2 years know what I mean by this.It means exactly what it means.

teepi

[SLOTH]

Teepie:
My husband is from Guatemala,Central America~
He is calm and a sweetheart~
I am the Crazy American with a Brooklyn fighter attitude!
I guess that's the Punk in me~
I am down with Peace too as long as no one steps on my toes~
My days of sharing and opening the house to everyone is over~
I got nothing from it in the end I ended up broke while
everyone moved on and made it,I stayed stuck~
As I read all of your words~I get inspiration,hope and strength~
I am happy that we have our treasured Shameless Heifer with us~
I am happy that you are happy my special sister~
Steve~You share with us so much of your wisdom~
You have much to say that makes sense~
Teepie~about GOD~Well,as I get older and since I had my outta body expierence in 1990,I tend to believe that there is another relm after we die~
Is GOD there waiting for us,I don't know~
Are we all gonna have to be judged for the life we led down here before we ask for forgiveness so that we can live in the Kingdom of Heaven,I don't know that answer~
I guess we will just have to die first?
You are all so great~
Gabba Gabba Hey

[teepi]

Right on sister.
Our path opens to us and its up to us to follow it, in the way we will.

I too have had some miracles in my life that opened my eyes to PLENTY.
By PLENTY I mean what I needed to get through.

There have been dark days...but always a light. Sometimes just a glimmer, but its never not been there. Just up to me to gas it up.

You did mention your husband to me and we are very blessed to have a partner who is truly WITH us.

GOD to me is all inclusive. No matter what you believe there IS something. Its all around us,through us, and with us.
Maybe not some big ol Neptune looking granpappy on a big throne, not some hell fire brimstone vengeful spirit who spites.
But maybe just us. Keeping the spirit alive and flowing.

Of course we don't know for sure what all is going on...not supposed to I think...thats where the faith comes in.
Faith that life is full of lessons and we have the opportunity to learn and become more spiritual from those lessons.
We have been given the power of forgiveness...and it is powerful. I forgave something horrible in my life and that light got alot brighter.

I just think we do know whats basically right and wrong and the golden rule is the golden rule.
If we let love guide us and hold each other and all creatures in reverence then a good foundation for a good life is there.
teepi

[SLOTH]

Thank You Steve for those nice words~
For me and teepie~
I think that I can say that we both feel safe with you too~
Sometimes special friendships out weigh all the nonesense that family brings~
The friends that I have made on this mb mean so much to me,brighten each day of mine and inspire me to keep on truckin~
Friends forever
C~

[pieman]

did you know yesterday would have been abbie's 69th birthday?

[shameless_heifer]

Good Mornin' my friends.. I hope all is well with each and every one of you. I am recovering from the flu, yep everyone ( all 9 of us in the house) came down with the flu the day after my boy got here. :o.. Although we are all hacking up our lungs we are happy to have the time that we are having, bc we are doing it together. We are taking care of each other and it's beautiful even through all the snot slingin'.

Hey Carol, good to see your still spreading your smile around and keeping things interesting, love ya sista.
Teepi, your always an inspiration and you loving heart shines through the most dence darkness bringing love and light to all whom you incounter. ya knows I loves ya too
Steve, I hope your not upset with me, I have to do what I have to do to keep the peace around here. I hope you don't think me too harsh, cuz it ain't easy being cheesy :p, I had been asked to ban you, but I choose not to. I think you have contributions to share through your excitable nature. You bring laughter and insite to us, thank you..
Hey where's Thudly. Thudly your ok in my book, not matter what the rest of the forum says about you, heh heh.. It took me a minute to adjust to your humor but humor is what keeps us going and in your own scarcatic way you have a lot to offer in your experiences.
Hippie Wise, I love your spirit my sista, you heart is plain to any eye. I that that you address obsticals with love and compassion, Bless you.

O BTW Remeber, NEVER FEED THE TROLLS.
Brightest Blessing to all
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[Mellow Yellow]

Must be something goin' around, my family's sick as well, yet somehow I've managed to stave it off...my time will come...

Interesting thread and personalities, kinda brought the best (and worst) out in folks, but then that was sorta the thrust of the subject of this thread, right? Revolution, questioning one's values and what one stands for, questioning authority, civil disobedience, good stuff, me like!

I just got a message from my soulmate, who's finally decided to join this forum, she says Teepi's art is impressive, gotta go check it out...

I can see it now on the gates of the cyber zoo, "Please don't feed the Trolls", heh, heh, words to live by (on any forum)...

Be well

[shameless_heifer]

No, I did not know it was Abby's birthday. I'm sure he's enjoying himself somewhere .

Mellow, you seem like an uplifting spirit, and a gental soul.

[white rabbitt]

h.s. get well sistah i still want to call u since u live close to me
so give me your phone number in a pm and ill call u, have a bunch of things to rap with u about, peace love
white rabbitt

[gate68]

S.H.=Sweet Heart,It's good you didn't ban voided,i don't see him having a problem here with anybody but me and i'm not asking him to be banned.Not that it would make a difference as i truly have very few friends and most of them don't like me(LOL).It's all good 'cept the flu,hope it's over.

peace and non violence

[shameless_heifer]

Gate as you know you said or did nothing to get steve and thudly banned, it was from a completly different source. NP, it wasnt from this forum or me or you.
We haven't had any new cases of flu popup, so I think that we are all on the road to recovery, thanks for the love.. :-)

Rabbitt, so nice to see you. I hope you had a lovely week. I don't know about the rest of the husbands but mine doesn't like strange men from the internet calling me to "chat". No reflection on you my friend, but I respect his feelings and would never intentionaly cause him grief. But we can chat here or you can email me.

Brightest Blessings
sh

[Mellow Yellow]

Thanks for the kind word, Shameless, you strike me as a gentle spirit yourself, strong, but gentle, good to see the karma on this thread has taken a turn for the better.

[hippiewise]

hey shameless thanks for the kudos, that's so nice and i feel the same way about you my sister in peace.
hippiewise angel

[white rabbitt]

s.h. i put my pics up finely lol have a gander

[teepi]

OH Mary,
I was saddened to hear of the family being under the weather.
But I know that you know what to do.

Glad to hear the cloud is lifting.
How many gallons of chicken soup did you go though???

As far as the vibe here.....whenever new people show up, they just need to find their groove.
Usually they find it and we all respect it and appreciate what they have to offer.
When someone shows up and can't get in the groove they peter away and maybe think about what they encountered here and maybe come back at a later time.

Very few can't be comfortable here.

I think we are a pretty accepting bunch....

[shameless_heifer]

I don't know Steve, you get what you give. You seem to get banned from a lot of places. It's like the guy who was married and divorced 7 times. He kept blaming the woman he married for the problem, but if he couldn't have happiness in any of his 7 brides, then I have to ask who is the one not gettng along, the 7 brides or the one man.
I think we all have to look within to find our true self. The one we can't hide or cover up. The one we face in the mirror each day. To have peace inside your own soul and be safe with your self. When we look at the faults of others it's just us seeing a part of us in others that we don't like about ourselves.
Steve you act like you should be free to say and do what you please no matter who's toes you step on and come out saying 'My that felt good'. But when someone steps on your toes, you have a coniption fit. I don't believe that the 1st amendment of freedom of speach was to be used to belittle or degrade others with or to spew out all over everyone. It's like farting in an elevator, you may feel better, but you inflicted your leavings for every one else to choke and gag on. Some of the ones that are here have given a thousands lives for peace and are still giving.
There may be posers, but maybe they are just trying to find a place to fit in and be accepted. Arent we all looking for that, aren't you looking for that also.
To me someone who is always fucked up on drugs or alcohol is still searching for themselves and can find no happiness within and blame the world for their own blindness and refusal to see.
Who's problem is it when someone can't get along with the tribe they live with. Is it the whole tribes shortcomings or the shortcomings of the one. Your demands are many, your offerings are few. Dig yourself dude, before you concider others. You seem awfull proud for telling "them" all what you think about them, did you wait and listen to what they may think about you.
I would like to think Abby would have liked a lot of ones in the forums
sh

[shameless_heifer]

Teepi, I have been through 3 gallons of chicken soup, four gallons of apple juice and enough galric to rid the world of vampires forever but the snot keeps flowing like a river. Green Tea seems to help sooth and the steam helps cut the mucus back. The coughing has got my kidenys sore and I'm taking Cranberry/Buchu to address that issue. The changes in the weather doesn't help either, Cold Cold in the mornings and hot in the afternoon, it's gonna be 80 today. There are 9 of us here with it and we have gone through 15 rolls of toilet paper blowing our sore noses in this past week..
Jom and Cindy leave tomorrow to go back to ND..POOP!! I want them to stay!!
I hope you and Larry are well.

((((Hippiewise))))

Brightest Blessings
sh

[gate68]

i can't fart in an elevator??No wonder they gave me dirty looks.With all due respect to Skip and a big thank you for the site,i don't care whose house it is,it's the internet,it's everybody's house.Whatever is posted is there for the world to see and therefore difference of opinion should be embrassed and welcomed.Along with these opinions comes dissent and disagreement often accompanied with harsh words.Should these also be embrassed and welcomed?Of course,they provide the whole story so the reader can decide for himself what the truth is.Guns kill,words don't.As for Abbie.he's dead.Let's not put words in his mouth or we'll have to call him Paul Bunyon or Big John,big big John.

peace ,love,and the amerikan way.

[hippiewise]

hey shameless,
try some olive leaf capsuls from any health food store to rid yourself of that nasty virus. olive leaf is incredible and works faster and better than penicillian. there are no side effects, my husband and i take it daily and never get sick anymore. it builds up the immune system but doesn't kill the friendly florins.

take about 4 cap 3 x a day and you will be well within a day i promise. drink lots of water with it.
love and peace and health
hippiewise angel

[gate68]

It's like the guy who was married and divorced 7 times. He kept blaming the woman he married for the problem, but if he couldn't have happiness in any of his 7 brides, then I have to ask who is the one not gettng along, the 7 brides or the one man.
i've been married to the same wonderful gal for 15+ years and i still blame her for us getting along.It's definitely not me.

A good dash of hot sauce or some good hot peppers along with the soup or a hot bowl of chile.The burn from the peppers will numb the throat and melt the snot plus you get a good dose of c from them...

[shameless_heifer]

It's not the language that bothers me Steve dear, unless it is shaped as an arrow and flung at someone to harm.
No fun am I, well if I saw some fun, I would join in merrily. I don't think being insullting is much fun tho'. You have even asked yourself if you go too far, so you know your being less then kind to some. That's not free speach, that's slanting it to fit your own agenda.
I have a sence of humor, but not at others expence. I can even laugh at myself as long as it is all in fun and doesn't make me feel conspiquis.
I am the Mod here and I have to think of everyones feelings and not just go along with what my friends say, just because they are my friends. I have to be fair to everyone. I'm trying to be fair with you too.
I think I have been doing a fair job of keeping the Garden clean. I am only human ya know.

Now to address the launguage thing. I cuss like a sailor at times, but I don't talk about private areas of my life, like my sexual habits or preferences. I don't think this is the place for it or anybodies biz. I don't think it would be interesting to anyone but me and my partner.

I was not trying to offend you Steve.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[shameless_heifer]

Thanks Hippewise. I do have some Olive Leaf.

[shameless_heifer]

slinging posion arrows again??

[gate68]

hey shameless,
try some olive leaf capsuls from any health food store to rid yourself of that nasty virus. olive leaf is incredible and works faster and better than penicillian. there are no side effects, my husband and i take it daily and never get sick anymore. it builds up the immune system but doesn't kill the friendly florins.

take about 4 cap 3 x a day and you will be well within a day i promise. drink lots of water with it.
love and peace and health
hippiewise angel4 caps ='s how much fresh picked?

[teepi]

Gate, the tea bags I have are 2g each I usually make 2 8oz cups with one bag.
In my regular caps there are about 285mg per cap.
About 1/3 of a gram.

so 4 caps would be about 1 and 1/3 gram.
but this is dry.

these are mission and manzanillo olive leaves.

I wish I could grow olives here....

I will try to let you know about fresh in a minute...

[teepi]

http://www.olivetea.com/olive_tea_preparation.htm

Hope this helps.

[white rabbitt]

heifer hope your saterday is wonderful
teepi keep the faith
peace love
white rabbitt

[Digger168]

Dig this action baby!

I've always been my own best hero!

May the common civility of the common hipster never go unappreciated!

Actually, anybody with a kind word, a smile, and an uplifting demeanor is my hero.

Yep,..I'll be the first to take a lovin bite from that sandwich!

Medals for everyone, for just gettin through another day!

Peace!!!!! (rather soon I hope)

Digger :)

[shameless_heifer]

It's all good Steve, I'm gleamming all over the place. even tho I have been riding the bar ditch for the past 1 1/2 hr, I did make it home all in one peice. My Blazer was not exactly blazing this afternoon as it would just stop in the middle of the hyway and die. We are had an adventure as we would roll to a stop in the ditch. O but the real fun begain when it died in the middle of the intersection of downtown Quitman. yes at 5:00 when everyone is all crowded up at our little four way stop.. Not to mention the 60 miles I had just come from my sisters house and the last 30 miles was on the shoulder stoping every 1/4 mile.. ye gads it was a trip.

I want ya to know steve, I hold no grudge against you, you are welcome here, I never meant to imply otherwise. I have been away for over a week and I was resopnding to eariler posts, and pms. I do think you have valuable contributions. I don't think there is a problem between us. Not on this end anyway.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[THUDLY]

Looks like voide37 and sloth are fixing to become a pair. Am I invited to the wedding? I'll bring home-made wine, deer-burgers and pickled morels.


Of course, I get to kiss the bride.

[mimosa]

starting rumors are we? I'll bring lutefisk, cornbread, and cheese grits.

[teepi]

I'm in....bringing home brewed Stout, some budz, guitar and pumpkin cheesecake.

[shameless_heifer]

hey don't forget me..I'll bring some wild hog and redbeans n rice.we'll toast to the happy couple and smoke the peace pipe. wooohoooo, there's gonna be a partyyy tonite!!!

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[teepi]

Well now...

As far as being a damper because in a moment of frivolity ...reality rears its swollen head....hey, the world is what it is,in any given moment there are all kinds of injustices,disease,extinctions,pain,unfairnesses,a nd immense general crappola goings on.

I too am an extremly sensitive person...I go on overload very easily.
I am in the woods because of it.
If I were to let myself become wrapped around all that is going on I would spend every moment of the day crying...and ceasessly banging my head aginst the wall.

You cannot save this whole world.
You have to live your life, and help where and when you can,but if you lose yourself in this mire of destruction then what do you have left???

This world needs a counter balance, for all the shit...there has to be more smiles on the other side of the scale. There has to be an understanding that the positive stuff needs to outweigh the negative.
Thats the reason this planet is still here.
There are people who do whatthey can. Some can heal, some can lobby, some can travel and spread some good information, some can fix a leak in a neighbors roof...all can hold a hand and give a hug.

You find your niche and you get passionate in it and you blossom and you spread your vibe.
Whatever that niche is.

I have ptsd so I live out here, I am too sensitive to be around alot of people and have some problems with strangers, so I have a few things I do here to keep my hand in the mix. I extend a helping hand where I can and do a few things politically about a few causes I am passionate about.

So when it is all overwhelming you, ask yourself..."where can I be most useful today,what can I do about this right now" and use what you have to help make a difference.
We can't all be stars, but we can all twinkle....

[teepi]

whoo hoo...I ramble also.
I rant too.

Thats just it, the world and all its design are going to play out. You fit where you fit.

We do not know where any little thing we do goes.
There is a gigantous ripple effect.

I had someone touch my soul when I was 13.
Their words got me through the darkest times, almost 3 decades later when I spoke witht them again, they were shocked that they had such a profound effect upon my life. It amazed them that conversations we had when I was so young stayed with me, and that their words were words of hope to me.

We do not know how our words and actions will ripple outward, any gesture of kindness or meaness can change the course of someone's day...or life.

And why are you asking me if you're rambling???huh huh???
Like I said, this place is the most entertainment I have on alot of days.
SO....RAMBLE ON!!!

[teepi]

Oh...Ummm ..Mimosa,sweetie...what the heck is Lutefisk??????

[mimosa]

teepi, you can't even know how your post just now touched me (not the lutefisk post though, the one before it :) ). I just really needed to hear it, long story....family crap....don't really want to open that can of worms, but what you said is so very true, and thanks. I sometimes think we are all tied here in some cosmic bond, not just HERE, but here and universally, and I'm rambling, but hey, hugs to you, sister. :D

[mimosa]

lol Lutefisk is what the old school scandinavian types make up here around the holidays...it is nasty stuff but some people like it. It is fish cured with lye or some such .... but cornbread and cheese grits, mmmm. and you all with the homemade stout and wine, that sounds great too. how do you/Larry make oatmeal stout? I love that kind of beer. Never thought about brewing it.

[teepi]

Hugs to you too sista!!

When I lived down south we ate hominy...it is corn soaked in a lye bath.
There is also hominy grits.
I can eat grits...IF there are plenty of over easy eggs around to mask them and cheese is a blessing if I must eat grits.
I lived in a foster home once and the mother would make a huge pot of grits...I could not eat them.
So of course I got no money for lunch..
At dinner I would sit down to my cold pancake of grits...she would put them in the fridge all day and they would congeal into a big whote pancake. No dinner for me...

Now cornbread is another story...I adore cornbread. I like mine a little sweet. I melt butter in the cast iron skillet then pour in the batter and bake. It gets real crisp around the edges...mmmm
I also like to make baked chili with cornbread dumplings.

Oatmeal stout...do you brew??
If you have never brewed there are numerous sites explaining how.
We crack our own grain and roast scottish oats.
I want to get into roasting our own grain, different roasting times give you different flavors.
Roasting the oats frist give them a bit of sweetness also.
We have 2 glass carboys we bought last year but you can use a bucket foodgrade, with a lid that you can get at a wine a nd beer supply. We have a bucket thats 7 gallons we use for our wine.
And you need airlocks and a few other things. If you do brew let me know and I will send you our 3/11 stout recipe.

I do believe we are sent into each others lives.
Sometimes for a second, sometimes forever.
Sometimes to teach a lesson, sometimes to learn, sometimes to just give or get a smile.

[mimosa]

thanks teepi, I will check in with you if I ever get a chance to brew. we have some places near here that will help you brew beer but haven't checked them out.

I love grits if they aren't plain. Garlic and cheese and butter helps them out immensely. but plain, they get a very bad reputation that way. :)


"I do believe we are sent into each others lives.
Sometimes for a second, sometimes forever.
Sometimes to teach a lesson, sometimes to learn, sometimes to just give or get a smile."

that is very true.

[gate68]

cause i was made to grumble

chorus;
grumbling man
Bob Seeger

not pointed at anybody,it just struck me...

[poor_old_dad]

...I ramble ... I rant too.
You go girl... We(your friends) got your back...

Peace,
poor_old_dad

[Mellow Yellow]

Plain grits? Forget it. 4 eggs, runny yolk, cheese[enough to color]and mush tha grits in, mmmmmm.
Now you're talkin', reminds me of the days I used to live in the South, I gotta remember to pick up some grits next time I hit the store. I dunno why it's been so long since I had grits, prolly cause I hadn't thought of it.

I also have the carboy and equipment for brewin', would really like to get back into it, only my "poison" would be India Pale Ale, the only bummer is it's almost as expensive to make (with all the ingredients, syrup, etc.) as it would be to buy, though I hear if you make your own mash, it brings the cost down considerably.

I think we got makings of a perfect breakfast http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[teepi]

Hi Mellow...

The last brew we made we experimented and used all barley. Cracked it ourselves. We bought it already roasted. Used crystal,black patent and some chocolate.
No powdered or syrup.
We get the barley for 1.99 a lb. but that is already roasted.
We want to get the roasting times down and do that ourselves with raw barley.
Corn sugar costs a bit but raw sugar gives an inferior product.

We made 5 gallons of stout for about 13.00. This was not oatmeal.
We like the Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout to buy but its 8.00 a 4-pack. So we don't buy it anymore.
The Sam Adams Cream Stout tastes alot like the beer we make.

Brew magazine is online and there are some great recipes.

I like the India pale ale also...when I worked in the drug store one of our customers was a member of a homebrew club and brought me some he had brewed...it was terrific.
We made 15 gallons of wine this past summer.
10 apple 5 grape.
I can't believe how smooth it has turned out. I did put back 2 gal apple and 1 gal of the grape to open next summer but the rest is being consumed....me wait a year???? haha

[teepi]

Oh...Hi POD....{{{{SMOOOOCH}}}}

[Mellow Yellow]

Wow Teepi, that's impressive, sounds like y'all have mastered the art of brewing, I've always understood that last step (mashing) to be the one that separates the men from the boys so to speak. 5 gallons, 13 bucks, that sure makes it worthwhile! Plus the big bonus is you know what went into what you're drinking, and you know it's fresh. Yet another skill I need to learn so I can pack it in, move out to some remote wooded area, and say good-bye to "civilization."

I'm also a big fan of Samuel Smith products, but I don't get it often, just for a treat now and again.

[shameless_heifer]

WE have Muscodines here, (grapes) and that makes for a great wine, add a little yeast and corn sugar and strain every few days and your set to go in two weeks, we never lasted a yr either, heh heh.. I also grow Cncord and green seedless grapes for wines, jellies and jams. Concord is *medicinal* of course :-)) and has a rich flavor. We'll all have to get together one day and have a wine fest..each bringing our own creations to share. Ahhh.. I can feel the love.
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[shameless_heifer]

I have a great sweet cornbread recipe I'd like to share

I cup Yellow Corn Meal
1 cup Flour
2 tblespns Baking Powder
1/2 ts of Salt
1/2 cup Applesauce
1/4 cup veggie oil
1 1/2 cups of sweet milk
3 eggs
Mix dry ingriedence together and add milk, eggs and oil blend mixture. Pour into a hot greased skillet or baking pan and cook at 350 for 25 to 30 minutes or untill golden brown.

Great with beans and taters.
Yum Yum
sh

Hi Carol, all is well thanks, kids got home and I miss them already. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[white rabbitt]

:) afternoon ms heifer, how are u today, its a nice texas afternoon hope u are doing well
peace love and kindness
white rabbitt
p.s. tell mr heifer i said hi
and your little heifers hi
my god s.h u got a whole heard of heifers there lol

[teepi]

Oh Mary,that is perfect for us.
I will try it in a few days.
Larry has to have a bit of flour in his cornbread to make it less grainy.
The applesauce sounds like a great touch also.

Carol, thank you for appreciating fine art...lol.
I really do bask in the compliments thank you so much for the kind words.

Mellow, oh yeah baby!!!
I am a big proponent of learning every skill you can, getting rid of debt and telling "the man" to get screwed.
We bought our 8.5 acres after saving for just 2.5 years.
We put down a good down payment and pay 167.00 a month for it on land contract. It would have been better to just pay for it outright but we used part of the money to build our house.
It is about 1100 sq. feet now and we spent about 4,000 dollars building it. We used ALOT of salvaged materials and paid about 50 cents to 3.00 a window. And about 10 bucks per door. We have three doors that go to the outside and Larry built one with poplar on both sides and a sheet of foam in the middle.
The other 2 are metal with foam insulation.
We have a friend who drives a refuse truck that drops off and picks up those big construction dumpsters. He called us from Dayton and told us of a company that was building a modular addition onto a school and they had ordered too much fiberglass insulation and they had thrown the huge R19 rolls in the dumpsters. Us and some friends with a pickup went up and loaded it all up, the foreman on the job told us to come back for 1/2" drywall the next day.
They also had 2x4's.
I totalled it all up and it came to over 1300 dollars retail...for free!!

We prayed on a woodstove and met a neighbor up our road and mentioned we were looking for one and he showed us one in his garage...70 dollars. It is beautiful..in more ways than one.

We have never had to buy wood. People keep coming by and giving it to us, and there are portable sawmills that they log with all over, we just go and they give us the slab wood.

The lumber for our house..all oak and poplar was bought for 120.00 for 1,000 board feet..rough cut. We had to haul it ourselves but well worth it.
We've bought 5 of those bundles.

We dug a 25ft well ourselves with a hand auger, it went dry this summer...drought here, but there is a local spring with really good water.
We catch rainwater also....

I could go on but this is boring for those not into it.
My best advice if you want to move to the woods, country, or not, but want to homestead as much as you can in the city.....get OUT of debt, don't buy crap you don't need(but remember,you NEED art), subscribe to backwoods home, back home, and countryside journal....or check your library. We have the Old Mother Earths, Larry has been dragging around for over 30 years so we had a good start.
Learn how to grow your food, about solar,wind and water power, start stock piling salvaged building materials. Get a good chain saw.

We moved into a 3 room apt. for 300 a month, both worked full time jobs (he got laid off in the winter months) My pay paid for what we needed, his check went into savings, we bought a pickup, library was our entertainment, and saved 18,000 in 2 and a half years.
So it can be done....and I will gladly share what I know if anyone needs it.

[shameless_heifer]

I'm a creature of instant gradifacation.. I will borrow against money I don't have.. My man on the otherhand holds money in an iron claw and never lets me near it.. heh heh, hey thats not funny!! true but not funny ;p. I never have any money so when I do get lucky and some comes my way, I spend it as fast as I get it. I don't blow it on crap tho, I spend it on my grand kids or someone in more need then I.
Here lately there has been no money due to the fricken high cost of car fucking repair, ruined my kids Christmas and stupid job service sent me on a job they knew would be impossible for me to do and almost wrecked my self trying to make Christmas money, of course the loan company would love for me to come in and refinance the loan I got for last Christmas and am still paying off at 16% intrest compounded daily.. whoa.. I even got so desperate as to ask hubby if I could refinance.. I can't type his responce in mixed company.. yikes. What ever happens I'm sure Creator will provide what is nesscesry and there is a lesson in there for me somewhere.
Brightest Blessings to ALL
sh

[shameless_heifer]

Hey rabbitt, I am well thank you, hope you are the same. The weather has been super over the weekend and now has turned cold, but sunny. My herd grows larger each year as the grandkids keep poping in or out as it were. I think we are up to 10 now. It won't be long before the greatgrand kids start coming along and then I will move to a cave and become a hermit.
I hope you have a festive holiday
sh

[teepi]

HA, oh Mary...at least the DH has an Iron Claw...hahaha

I can't stand to owe money, It keeps me up at night now if I get behind on anything, and lately we have been behind on just the daily stuff.

But I am really about whittling costs down so that we can sock anything away that we can.
Out here jobs are few and far between and I don't like working for anyone else.
So the more I can cut back, the more I don't HAVE to work.
I really enjoy being able to stay home and paint and enjoy the land and my husband.
Although I think I will have to work one day a week...until his social security kicks in.

He cannot work now, can't pass the physical for his cdl and there really aren't any jobs out here for a 60 year old man.
So we are just able to screech by.
Working one day a week will take care of the land taxes and truck insurance.
If we had been in debt when he could not go back to work, they could have put a lean on our land.

Also if you move to the country and carry debt with you, you will have to keep working.
If you do it and have to keep working you need to make sure that you can commute to town for a job.
Out here the closest town is very small, the next largest is a 55 mile round trip.
Our roads are not plowed and as our road cuts through the state forrest one end of it is closed down when its icy.

I cut the store bought gift thing out when my son Donovan became aware of the whole commercilism deal when he was 10. He thought it would be a good idea to not buy store bought items for Christmas and load up on the birthdays....haha
And thats what we did.
So both kids learned to sew,they made cookies and made coupons for gifts of themselves.
Thats what we still do.
This year they are getting lap quilts, cookies and paintings.
I told Donnie he gave us all a great gift that year.....burden relief.

[hippiewise]

i have a blue cornbread recipe much like yours shameless. i love blue corn as it isn't as high in carbohydrates as yellow corn.
hippiewise angel

[gate68]

Working construction.it's a sin the stuff i've thrown away.i'd go to the dump sometimes begging people to take stuff.i've taken home lights ,doors,crystal doors,furniture,you name it only to end up tossing half of it.Right now i have a 2 car garage full of desks.i've managed to give a couple away but most of them are still there.i applaud you and Larry for finding new use for old material.Old stuff has spirits and memories,it carries the soul of all who've touched it.Oh Mary,that is perfect for us.
I will try it in a few days.
Larry has to have a bit of flour in his cornbread to make it less grainy.
The applesauce sounds like a great touch also.

Carol, thank you for appreciating fine art...lol.
I really do bask in the compliments thank you so much for the kind words.

Mellow, oh yeah baby!!!
I am a big proponent of learning every skill you can, getting rid of debt and telling "the man" to get screwed.
We bought our 8.5 acres after saving for just 2.5 years.
We put down a good down payment and pay 167.00 a month for it on land contract. It would have been better to just pay for it outright but we used part of the money to build our house.
It is about 1100 sq. feet now and we spent about 4,000 dollars building it. We used ALOT of salvaged materials and paid about 50 cents to 3.00 a window. And about 10 bucks per door. We have three doors that go to the outside and Larry built one with poplar on both sides and a sheet of foam in the middle.
The other 2 are metal with foam insulation.
We have a friend who drives a refuse truck that drops off and picks up those big construction dumpsters. He called us from Dayton and told us of a company that was building a modular addition onto a school and they had ordered too much fiberglass insulation and they had thrown the huge R19 rolls in the dumpsters. Us and some friends with a pickup went up and loaded it all up, the foreman on the job told us to come back for 1/2" drywall the next day.
They also had 2x4's.
I totalled it all up and it came to over 1300 dollars retail...for free!!

We prayed on a woodstove and met a neighbor up our road and mentioned we were looking for one and he showed us one in his garage...70 dollars. It is beautiful..in more ways than one.

We have never had to buy wood. People keep coming by and giving it to us, and there are portable sawmills that they log with all over, we just go and they give us the slab wood.

The lumber for our house..all oak and poplar was bought for 120.00 for 1,000 board feet..rough cut. We had to haul it ourselves but well worth it.
We've bought 5 of those bundles.

We dug a 25ft well ourselves with a hand auger, it went dry this summer...drought here, but there is a local spring with really good water.
We catch rainwater also....

I could go on but this is boring for those not into it.
My best advice if you want to move to the woods, country, or not, but want to homestead as much as you can in the city.....get OUT of debt, don't buy crap you don't need(but remember,you NEED art), subscribe to backwoods home, back home, and countryside journal....or check your library. We have the Old Mother Earths, Larry has been dragging around for over 30 years so we had a good start.
Learn how to grow your food, about solar,wind and water power, start stock piling salvaged building materials. Get a good chain saw.

We moved into a 3 room apt. for 300 a month, both worked full time jobs (he got laid off in the winter months) My pay paid for what we needed, his check went into savings, we bought a pickup, library was our entertainment, and saved 18,000 in 2 and a half years.
So it can be done....and I will gladly share what I know if anyone needs it.
Working construction.it's a sin the stuff i've thrown away.i'd go to the dump sometimes begging people to take stuff.i've taken home lights ,doors,crystal doors,furniture,you name it only to end up tossing half of it.Right now i have a 2 car garage full of desks.i've managed to give a couple away but most of them are still there.i applaud you and Larry for finding new use for old material.Old stuff has spirits and memories,it carries the soul of all who've touched it.

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[teepi]

Thanks gate and Carol...

I just really would love for people to find a way to live like they want.
And to wake up and see that consummerism, and the throw away attitude is hurting society so much.
We are doing the generations after us a disservice by not teaching them the basic skills we need to survive.
There seems to be far more takers than givers, and when its so out of balance...things begin to topple.
When you believe that having the latest model car is a great thing...and they have made them consistantly more difficult for the average person to do the simplest repairs on...is that truly advancing??
Bigger, brighter and more expensive is not always best.
Thats just one example...I could go on.

Don't even get me started on the lies behind the food they crank out....
Or the education system...
Or the bullshit with the war.....oil....race...homeland security....etc.

Things are changing, and I for one truly believe we need to get back to depending on ourselves for alot of things we grew up taking for granted.

I really hope that people will wise up and realize that there are those out there coming up with more and more ways to get your money.....from our goverment on down.

See....I do rant!!!hahahahaha

[teepi]

Damn Gatey....I could use one of those desks......hahahaha

[Mellow Yellow]

I gotta go with Gate on applauding the resourcefullness of recycling building materials, I did construction for a while, and I was also amazed at all the crap they throw away, and this is the stuff that goes into our land fills?

It is a throw away society, and what gets me is the packaging which is often as bulky or more so than the product that goes into it, it's obscene!

It's not about fixing things any more, it's about throwing them away and buying new because it's more "cost effective." I think we should adopt a system that's more like the Europeans, when you buy a product you pay a tax to cover the cost of recycling and/or disposal of that product up front, might make us a little more environmentally conscious as a society.

Seems like a plot to make us fat, dumb, and happy...and dependent. If we can't fix things ourselves, we're forced to buy into the system, yet another way to control the masses...but we needn't go there if we can learn to do it all ourselves...

[gate68]

Damn Gatey....I could use one of those desks......hahahahaIf you can lift em you can have em.They had to stich me back up after i moved them.Poped a left one to put it bluntly.Who says recycling doesn't hurt?peace

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[gate68]

http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html

[Mellow Yellow]

Damn, Gate, my Internet Filter here at work won't let me access that site, says "Adult Content," must be good...

...I'm waitin' for the Internet Police to come and haul me away...

[gate68]

Damn, Gate, my Internet Filter here at work won't let me access that site, says "Adult Content," must be good...

...I'm waitin' for the Internet Police to come and haul me away...
just a few "bad" words,nothing naughty.It's about letting Christmas be Christmas...
Did this thread get sidetracked or what?Abbie would've been proud.

nonviolent peace

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[teepi]

Well now...I too keep the Abbie dreaM alive. I live it as I can.
Fuck this system.Abbie had a profound effect on me as a young street person in NYC. Back in 1970. I did what I had to do to survive and "steal this book" was a godsend.

You pretty much covered alot of my sentiments Voidy...I do what I can to get over on this system that has tried to get over on me and countless others.
I have not filed their fucking taxes in years..(one of the reasons I try to keep my trackable income on the LD)

I don't buy into it,,,and if they get that draft going again...My son will NOT join into the woOl over your eyes do good, feel good ,patriotic mumbo jumbo lie of a "war".

When they start telling the truth and the goverment gets back to being FOR the people...then I will recognize it...maybe.
Until then...I stay in the woods...WITH my guns.
I don't fuck with anyone...and expect the same.

[teepi]

Well brother...If you love me...then give up the suicide escape hatch...NOT FAIR!!!

I'm in it for the long haul...NO ONE gets out alive...and we all have to stay for the grand finale....at least our own.

You must ride it out....thats the end of the story...or you're left hanging...then have to come back and catch up...and who in the Hell wants to do that???

[teepi]

Oh and yes...I can gasp at parts of someone..and love other parts.

I did not know the Abbie personally,,,I took what I could use and left the rest, and thank him for providing what he did for me.

Hell, I gasp at parts of some here..and love other parts...

There's even a part of Larry I gasp at....uh, forget I said that....

[gate68]

Only the smartest of the generation could apprehend past the lies and propaganda to the truth assaulting us from all aspects of the system,

fucking sure gonna have my fun first....And if it comes to this 'lord' help any peace talking fools in my way....NOBODY tells me whats right for me! I alone know. ? While you talk peace to the ones like me[not many here]whom you feel are violent. I haven't paid fedtaxes in years and will not EVER again. WHO'S VIOLENT?
So Abbie i'm done with your thread now as it's a waste of my time to attempt to discuss you or anything with folks who's minds are closed cause they know how it is therefore they don't pay attention to anything but their own selves.
Have a good nazi xmas, all!!!! Bah fuckin' humbug.....LOLi guess i'm too stupid to become part of the Me generation.Bush does what he wants,he definatly is having his fun too.As for taxes,don't fool yourself,we pay them every time we turn on the computer.Non violence is the only way to peace.

[hippie hottie]

just watched steal this movie and think abbie is the koolest he turned himself in about half a hour from my house he was in alex bay ny he autcally did alot for our community does anyone out there have any storries about him?? were any of u at any of his rallys?? if so please relate and let us all know about them! i see there was alot of replys to charley mansons lil post there has to be people on this site that has storries about abbie and if u neaver seen steal this movei or read steal this book...go steal one of them and watch or read there is alot to learn about america and how they treat there heros at first
Love Abbie He is the greatest,however the movie was awful,didnt really show the true Abbie.Steal this book has been like my bible,didja know that the how to send mail for free by putting the person your sending it to name in the return address and yours where the address goes still works!!! Ive done it many times Just be sure to change post offices often(LOL)!!great for sending small packages too!!

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[shameless_heifer]

Hi Carol,
This is so true of the level women are put on. Not only did the women have to do all the work, but had to put up with clap, crabs and everyother thing their ole, mens were out doing.
Later the majority split the sheets and trhe women had to support the offspring by themselves or go on the system. I have two children from that era. Both diffrent fathers. I was married to them and recived no childsupport from either of them. We did without plenty but we always had love and each other. Nothing in life could have been harder to provide, and keep bright eyes shining.
But we live and learn, we choose our paths and draw what we may
Brightest Blessings
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[Mellow Yellow]

HA! That may be one thing that's possibly improved over the years, gender rolls, though I s'pose it depends where you are and who you're with.

My lady is very independent and strong, and I wouldn't have it any other way. We had something delivered a while back, and the two delivery guys where whining 'cause they didn't wanna carry whatever it was around to the back of the house where we wanted it, so she said to the guy, "that's ok, I'll do it myself, I'm used to doing the work of two men." She told me the guys were stunned, and one of 'em got a look on his face like she'd kicked him in the groin...

[shameless_heifer]

Your right Mellow, and your lady sounds like my kind of woman ..but we had to fight tooth and nail for it, and if the truth were known, the fight aint over yet, there is still along way to go before the old saying 'It's a man's world' will be heard no more. I see it every day, being an independent thinker and putting myself on the front lines everyday.
We of the 60's broke the ground, but there are a lot of rows that need to be hoed yet

Carol, as always you bring up interesting thoughts and issues. Plus I love what you say about me..;p friends we are gal.

Welcome to the Garden Hippie hottie

[Mellow Yellow]

Shameless, I think I mentioned early on that the two of you seemed to share some common ground.

I saw a great sign a guy was carrying at the Memorial Day Parade in the progressive community near where I live:

"IT TAKES A BIG MAN TO BE A FEMINIST"

I'm all over that idea, but I've had to work hard to change the misogynist ways that have been programmed into me as a man in this society. I'm not quite there yet, but thanks to my infinitely patient partner, I'm making progress...

...And honestly I don't why that woman keeps me around anyhow, it's prolly 'cause she likes my power tools and she thinks I'm purdy...

[gate68]

i remember mom hand mixing concrete for sidewalks and patios around the house.Recently while working on her sprinklers she laid down on the sidewalk to get a better grip.Soon a police car stopped someone had reported an old lady had fallen.Nope she told them"just trying to fix a broken sprinkler".Soon after they left a firetruck showed up,same story.I can tell you about tough women.Then there was the time the wife was facing down a big ol'boy,telling him if i didn't kick his ass she would...

[shameless_heifer]

WE are women, hear us ROAR...lol.. we have our strenghts and weakness, but we learned to to adapt and survive with one on the tit and one on the hip.. I am way more fierce than my hubby. they boys would always ask for their dad to give them a whoppen when it was called for, if it wasn't a major screwup I would let him handle it but if it was then I got the job done. Maybe that's why I'm so onrey..
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here!

[teepi]

we are getting snowed in....yay!!!

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here!

[teepi]

they said 3-6" here...we got about 3.
It looks so pretty though.

Yeah to weather forecasters...what a gravy job...LIE and get paid for it.If you're wrong..."hey, weathers not an exact science...don't blame me".

Best weather forecast here is to call over to Indiana see whats going on there. Then wait a few hours....

But I did make chiken vegtable soup....always love soup when it snows...

[shameless_heifer]

We are in the tailend of an ice storm, we've been froze in for two days. The icicles are fantastic as the sun shines on them and the rainbows of balsting cyrstle whites kilidascopes with brilliant facets of fire and ice frozen in time.
I love the snow too with it's majestic virginity of sparkling white, blanketing the earth with a comfort of Peace and Tranquility. A time for reflection and good cheer, bringing brotherhood and unity in warm association. Cuddling by the fire gives a feeling of belonging and a closeness to ones inner heart. ( and the hard cider in your coaco don't hurt either ;)
Teepi I know your place look gorgouse all indraped in snow, I bet every little sound echos as it meets the fridige air. Are we not blessed to live in such splendor, and have eyes and ears and our cold red noses. Blessed be my friends

[shameless_heifer]

I want chinken soup.. I want chicken soup.. (i said it twice in case I want seconds, heh heh)

[shameless_heifer]

Carol, Having kids home from school for more then one day and not being able to send them outside is like being pecked by hens allday.. We built on a room at the back of the house for just such occations.. I bought all kinds of musical stuff, like a karioke machine, guitars, keyboards, maracas, haromicas, and sheet music. I then went to the 'free store' and got dressup clothes for them to wear..it keeps them occupied in a creaive way and I don't have to hear t till it's finished..lol
Love ya