Does Anyone kow "Up Against the Wall MortherFuckers"?

[SucculentFlower]

This is a part of history that makes me proud to be the kid of the hippie generation. Proof that what ya'll did changed everything!

I happen to be a good friend of the leader of the MotherFuckers before the leadership was handed over to Ginsberg.

Man, the stories were incredible!! But, not as Stalinist as the Weather Underground...

If anyone has any stories or knows of or used to be a MotherFucker. I'd like to rap, but also if you were a MotherFucker... lots of love and respect your way!

Succulent ;) ~loving ya'll

[Woodstock_Blazer]

i dont fuck my mother. jk!
i have never heard of this fukers tell me more are they mod reicarnations?

### KEITH MOON LIVES ###

[mimosa]

I remember Up Against the Wall Redneck Mothers by Jerry Jeff Walker. that was a good one. I'll look up the lyrics if anyone cares. :)

Spoken: This song was first by Ray Wylie Hubbard



Sung: He was born in Oklahoma,

His wife's name is Betty Lou Thelma Liz

He's not responsible for what he's doing

Cause his mother made him what he is.



And it's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



Sure does like his Falstaff beer,

Likes to chase it down with that Wild Turkey liquor;

Drives a fifty-seven GMC pickup truck;

He's got a gun rack; "Goat ropers need love, too" sticker



And it's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



M is for the mud flaps you give me for my pickup truck

O is for the Oil I put on my hair

T is for T-bird

H is for Haggard

E is for eggs, and

R is for REDNECK.



Up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



It's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

[luvndrumn]

We Can Be Together
Jefferson Airplane


We can be together
Ah you and me
We should be together
We are all outlaws in the eyes of america
In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fred hide and deal
We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young
But we should be together
Come on all you people standing around
Our life’s too fine to let it die and
We can be together
All your private property is
Target for your enemy
And your enemy is
We
We are forces of chaos and anarchy
Everything they say we are we are
And we are very
Proud of ourselves
Up against the wall
Up against the wall (motherfucker)
Tear down the walls
Tear down the walls
Come on now together
Get it on together
Everybody together
We should be together
We should be together my friends
We can be together
We will be
We must begin here and now
A new continent of earth and fire
Come on now gettin higher and higher
Tear down the walls
Tear down the walls
Tear down the walls
Won’t you try

[THUDLY]

Thank you so very fucking much Mimosa! Only problem, though: you didn't include the musical notation. What's the key? (I transpose.) What's the melody?


I don't think Jerry Jeff will sue you for copyright infringement-- he's most likely unconsious right now, anyhow.

If he does raise a beef, just tell him Burl said it's all right.

[Woodstock_Blazer]

whoo hoo jefferson airplane...

[nudeinthesand]

the aiplane rules,i love grace

[Ranger]

In the late '60s/early '70s there was some sort of major trouble in the East Village/East Coast radical community and shortly there after there arrived refugees from at least three eastern families to seek refuge in the Haight, the STP family, Armed Love, and the Motherfucker family. Some of the Moterfucker's found a home with The Church of the Good Earth and at least one or two remain with the northern clans of the family to this day. The names that come to mind are Chuck, Mike, and a sweet redhead named Bonnie Motherfucker. BTW, if anyone out there has news of Bonnie please let us know.

[dlo24844]

Fly Jefferson Airplane. Got me there on time. Love and Peace (Still) R.A.T AUZTRALIA

[SLOTH]

The only song I know called
"UP AGAINST THE WALL MOTHERFUCKER"
IS BY David Peel
THE SELF PROCLAIMED HIPPIE OF NEW YORK CITY.

[shameless_heifer]

It's not a song y'all it's a commune.. The Up Against The Wall Motherfuckers Commune...
Peace.
sh

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[shameless_heifer]

I believe it was based in NY, and branched out to SF. We had a few of the Motherfuckers at the Good Earth Commune as Ranger had posted earilier.
sh

[teepi]

They began in NYC as a collective.
They were also the group that has been credited for cutting the fence at Woodstock and turning it into a free concert.

The name of the group 'Up Against the Wall, Motherfucker!' was taken from a poem written by Leroi Jones.
They also supported the woman who shot Andy Warhol. Almost killing him.

They were rather political in the late 60's, dumping garbage on the steps of the Lincoln Center...and chanting "garbage for garbage'..."We propose a cultural exchange"...
They were also affiliated with Students for a democratic society.

There was also a certain amount of violence that surrounded them.
Something about an exchange with Bill Graham owner of the Fillmore East that ensded with Graham's nose getting busted and the super of the building they were squatting in in the village being stabbed to death.

In '67 some of them broke into the Pentagon during an anyi-war rally and were beaten by soldiers.

They were on a militant edge, however they did help support runaway's on the streets of NY with food,shelter and other help.

Yes some did end up in SF as Mary said.
Some went on to join up with the Diggers.

They are no longer as a group, the so called leader is now in his 60's....

teepi

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Supposedly it really was a commune they lived in but I havent read much about it, very little in Dee Dees book and in an interview at Jari's site John from the band talks about it very sparingly.]???

[shameless_heifer]

I don't recall hearing that name anywhere, I use to be part of the Brotherhood of the Mystic Arts out of Laguna Beach and there where the Brotherhood of Eternal Light, they were all big time LSD Experiencers and were Timothy Leary's Family. Also later I stayed we some people at the Universal Lighthouse of Prayer But I this one doesent ring any bells.
sh

[teepi]

Inter-Celestial as of 1994 was still around.
Don't know if they still are.
It was/is in Amsterdam.

[shameless_heifer]

Tipi you are just a wealth of imformation, I'm so glad you back... ((((Diane)))

[SLOTH]

Sloth Outta Here...

[luvhuffer]

I don't recall hearing that name anywhere, I use to be part of the Brotherhood of the Mystic Arts out of Laguna Beach and there where the Brotherhood of Eternal Light, they were all big time LSD Experiencers and were Timothy Leary's Family. Also later I stayed we some people at the Universal Lighthouse of Prayer But I this one doesent ring any bells.
sh

Hi SH I think I got a bunch of L from those guys in Laguna Canyon. Were they the ones who had the dogs that were trained to smell gun oil to prevent any weapons or narcs from coming in? You had to drive down a dirt road to get back in there? I just knew them as The Brotherhood. That would have been about '67

[white rabbitt]

when i was in new york in 68 for a big brother show i visited abbie & jerry and lived with the motherfuckers on ave b at a place they had

peace white rabbitt

[make art not war]

### KEITH MOON LIVES ###

Hell yeah, man

[shameless_heifer]

Rabbitt, we must have crossed paths sometime. The Neighborhood wasn't that big, most people hung close to home.
WE probably shared a bottle or a doob.
sh

[white rabbitt]

i would have shared a bowl with ya but i was part of the haight hippies that dont drink, always hated it, strongest thing i drink is coke-cola on the rocks

[SucculentFlower]

Well I am so delighted to hear all this! The founder ~ Ben Morea, is a good friend of mine, and yes indeed he is getting closer to 70! I used to drive him across the country, and he'd tell me all his stories, I've even met other MF'ers.... and one of the Chicago 7. I keep telling Ben to write a memior, he says he might someday. He went to Ginsburg's funeral (Ben gave over the MF'ers to him when he left NYC in '69) lots of good stories~ his Manifesto was Black Mask (google it?) Some of the Diggers came out to Colorado and started some communes...there was AAA, Drop City, Ortivie's Farm, Red Rock & Libre, well not all started by the Diggers.

My father used to work at Max's Kansas City... anyone know of it? There is a book out about it, there's also a book out about where I'm from called ~ Huerfano. Cool shit, another book by Lisa Law called Flashing on the Sixties, that has a lot of pictures of folks that I grew up around....god I love you all!

[SafetyPin]

Max's Kansas City was big when I was in the City. I worked for a printing shop that made their menus sometimes. White Rabbit, I lived between B & C on 11th Street around the same time you did, a little later. I think Ginsburg lived on 10th St. by the park. I was told once that Ginsburg just left his doors open. I've heard of Morea, but I forgot that he started the MFers. The way I heard it they got their reputation for trying to open up the Filmore East to the people for free. I knew a dude called Arty Motherfucker, and a girl I knew lived with another girl who was a Motherfucker, she called herself Cathy Motherfucker. The MotherFuckers and the STPers used to be tight and everybody flew under the aegis of the Angels.

[mtnwoman]

I remember, I was once a part of them in the lower east side.

[Hari]

The only song I know called
"UP AGAINST THE WALL MOTHERFUCKER"
IS BY David Peel
THE SELF PROCLAIMED HIPPIE OF NEW YORK CITY.True, he used to do that song in washigton square park daily back in the late sixties.

[SafetyPin]

I remember seeing/hearing David Peel play in the park, too. Remember the lyric from one of his songs, "the Pope smokes dope, the pope smokes dope."

A friend of mine crashed at his apartment several times. Don't ya know he liked men, my friend didn't...difficult situation.

[SafetyPin]

mtnwoman,

I'm not sure I don't want to keep my distance. It's one thing to talk about the Mfers out of their ear shot, it's another thing to talk to one face to face. The Mfers were a very intimadating bunch but the nicest people you could want to know if you could somehow get past their tough exteriors. They never wanted much to do with me. I think it was because I could never make up my mind whether I wanted to fight or not, still can't.

[Hari]

I remember seeing/hearing David Peel play in the park, too. Remember the lyric from one of his songs, "the Pope smokes dope, the pope smokes dope."

A friend of mine crashed at his apartment several times. Don't ya know he liked men, my friend didn't...difficult situation.I found that out when a young hitchhiker french guy I met told me that he had made a pass at him at his pad.

He had a following (sort of) of junkies and psedo musicians, yet he atracted even John Lennon who once visited his apt on 3rd street and gave him a Martin for an old leather jacket.

[Hari]

Max's Kansas City was big when I was in the City. I worked for a printing shop that made their menus sometimes. White Rabbit, I lived between B & C on 11th Street around the same time you did, a little later. I think Ginsburg lived on 10th St. by the park. I was told once that Ginsburg just left his doors open. I've heard of Morea, but I forgot that he started the MFers. The way I heard it they got their reputation for trying to open up the Filmore East to the people for free. I knew a dude called Arty Motherfucker, and a girl I knew lived with another girl who was a Motherfucker, she called herself Cathy Motherfucker. The MotherFuckers and the STPers used to be tight and everybody flew under the aegis of the Angels.I knew (sort of) an Arty who sang in the park daily, is he the same?
My old friends still have stories to tell in relation to him. We thought he was a little hyper.

[Hari]

Max's Kansas City was big when I was in the City. I worked for a printing shop that made their menus sometimes. White Rabbit, I lived between B & C on 11th Street around the same time you did, a little later. I think Ginsburg lived on 10th St. by the park. I was told once that Ginsburg just left his doors open. I've heard of Morea, but I forgot that he started the MFers. The way I heard it they got their reputation for trying to open up the Filmore East to the people for free. I knew a dude called Arty Motherfucker, and a girl I knew lived with another girl who was a Motherfucker, she called herself Cathy Motherfucker. The MotherFuckers and the STPers used to be tight and everybody flew under the aegis of the Angels.The name ,Max kansas city rings a bell..what street was that on?

[samson]

When Airplane turned in the lyrics for the recordings that included the line "Up against the wall, motherfucker", their record company informed them that they couldnt release it with that word on the record.

After it was pointed out by Airplane that they already HAD released a record with the word "motherfucker" on it, the record company gave in and let the recording stay on the album.

The album that had the word motherfucker was HAIR, on the song Abie Baby. Somehow they had missed the use of the term in the lyrics of the play!

However, when the Jefferson Airplane record was released, the insert with the lyrics reads "up against the wall FRED".

I always wondered how the hell they got FRED out of motherfucker, but now when I need to tell someone to put something by the wall, I tell em to "put it up against the Fred" lol

[wlzev]

Last I heard, "UP AGAINST THE WALL MOTHER FUCKERS" came out as an album title (or song) by Iggy Pop and the Stooges (from I believe Ann Arbor - John Sinclair's people). For straight broadcast purposes it was changed to "up against the wall brothers and sisters". Some where in the back of my closet, I think, I still have the album.
peace out .
ZEV aka ZIH-AVE
Good Earth Family member

[hemlock hollow]

SafetyPin, sorry it took a while for me to get back here. I never thought that they were intimidating. A good number of the Yippies! were also involved. I lived in two places - corner of east 3rd and second ave - above the yiddish music store; and on east sixth st bet. ave.a and 1st avenue. I led a rally on St. Mark's Place that invaded the Electric Circus. Ah, those were the days.

[hemlock hollow]

Oh yeah, I was mtnwoman previously.

[SafetyPin]

hemlock hollow,

Haven't checked this thread in a while either.

I also lived on e. first st. between first and 2nd avenues. What a place that was. A den of facist hippies. They suckered me in when I was down and out and like all facists once they sucker you in it's already too late.

Word was on the street (if I remember correctly) by the time I got there that the Electric Circus was once a happening place but changed into hard drug users...as opposed to us peace and love people/hippies who only took LSD, LOL. We hung out on the other side of 8th st.

Amazingly I never did that much LSD myself.

Isn't this cozy wlzev; an STPer (you), an MFer (hemlock hollow), and me (the non-entity just like I always was) all together again.

What are the odds that a Hell's Angel would mingle with us on this site. I know they mingled with the STPers back in the day. Generally they couldn't lower themselves enough to mingle with me and people like me. Never knew one personally but they were numerous enough and visible enough all over the east village so that you couldn't fail to know they were there/be aware of their presence.

In my own somewhat warped mind I always regarded the MFers as the first line of resistence or you might say a people buffer, between the Angels and smaller, less numerous, less recognized groups like the STP Family and some others. Nobody ever remembers or sees things quite like I did or do though.

[hemlock hollow]

SafetyPin, nice to hear from you. Remind me again, what years did you live there? I left rather early. Leaving radicalism in the streets behind and picking up radicalism in my life - my beliefs were much different than a lot of folks there. I was mostly with more traditional groups of radicalism, such as Yippie!, Student Mobilization League, Fifth Ave Peace Parade Committee, etc., etc., - I was more aware of history and politics than a lot of the youngsters around me.
I also worked for Avant-Garde Magazine. I left NY in the fall of 68 to get married and what a mistake that was! But that's another story!
Basically, I kind of danced to my own tune.
Was the Yiddish Music Store next to the Anderson Theatre still there? I lived in the loft directly above the store and next to the theatre. Saw Janis Joplin there and since I only had to walk 10 ft home, on acid - nice.
Okay, now you've got more info to go on - do we know each other?

[SafetyPin]

Only had to walk 10 feet home on acid after seeing Janis Joplin, wow! Well yes we do know each other a little but not from back in the day. I didn't get to the lower east side until Sept. of 69. Was living in a rooming house on the upper west side in 68 and going to Long Island U., Brooklyn campus . Left the city on my 22nd B-day in 1971.

I don't remember the Yiddish music store but I remember the Anderson theater. It had been abandoned by the time I was living on the the street in 71 but the Hell's Angels opened it back up to sponser a free concert by the Dead.

hemlock hollow, I was a very strange kind of hippy. I was in NYC for 3 years, lived in the east village for 2 years and never went to a concert at the Fillmore. I did however, if I may be so crude, nail my first girl. I haven't forgotten her yet!

[hemlock hollow]

Hmm..a late bloomer! SafetyPin, where are you living now? Sorry we didn't meet in the 60's!

[SafetyPin]

At the time I thought I was a late bloomer too, but I've revized my thinking since then because I've spent a lot of time around the mentally ill. Some of them never bloom at all, LOL, but it isn't really funny at all.

I live in NJ, hemlockhollow. Do you?

[SafetyPin]

hemlock hollow,

I've been a little slow to getting around to it but thank you for your vote. Seven yeses now for "I am an Old Hippy" and no no's.

[wildjane]

mfers didn't need leaders Ben or not. They also were not part of the angels, ever. they were not SDS,STP,either. If you ask me the purest of the pure MF is everett shapiro.

[hemlock hollow]

At the time I thought I was a late bloomer too, but I've revized my thinking since then because I've spent a lot of time around the mentally ill. Some of them never bloom at all, LOL, but it isn't really funny at all.

I live in NJ, hemlockhollow. Do you?
SafetyPin, I am a retired RN, now living in the eastern Tennessee mountains. Our land backs up to the Cherokee National Forest. We have a small trout stream, lots of trees, a small veggie garden and lots of flowers. Wonderful place! Moved here last October from Florida. Like this better.

[hemlock hollow]

mfers didn't need leaders Ben or not. They also were not part of the angels, ever. they were not SDS,STP,either. If you ask me the purest of the pure MF is everett shapiro.
WildJane, was everett shapiro in NYC?

[SafetyPin]

Cool, hemlock hollow, especially the part about living in the mountains of Tennessee (whew, what a word to spell). Can you spell Mississippi.

I've always regarded it as great source of pride that I grew up in NJ and there was trout stream right on our property. Stocked it and all. Don't look for it though, it's not there anymore, boo hoo, it's all dried up and more than likely filled with sludge and sewage from the suburban sprawl that took over Howel since I grew up there.

I can never remember whether Howel is spelled with one "l" or two "l"s at the end but interestingly enough in a discussion about the MotherFuckers, (wow, that felt good to spell it out), Alan Ginsberg wrote a famous poem called "Howell", don't know how many "l"s you spell that with either. Don't remember what it was about either but I did read it. One more thing, I heard from an old timer in the hospital once that when Ginsberg used to come to this area of Jersey back in the 50's they used to say, "mud, shit, and blood, Ginsberg rides tonight."

peace,
peter

[SafetyPin]

You weren't a psych. nurse, were you?

[hemlock hollow]

The last job that I had was as a Hospice RN - plenty of psych nursing there! and by the way - Allen Ginsburg's work is spelled as it sounds "howl", like howling at the moon!

[10000 lighr years]

your right its up against the wall redneck mothers,thought it was merle haggard that wrote it but i dont remeber,jerry jeff spent a lot of time in austin

at the armadillo,

I remember Up Against the Wall Redneck Mothers by Jerry Jeff Walker. that was a good one. I'll look up the lyrics if anyone cares. :)

Spoken: This song was first by Ray Wylie Hubbard



Sung: He was born in Oklahoma,

His wife's name is Betty Lou Thelma Liz

He's not responsible for what he's doing

Cause his mother made him what he is.



And it's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



Sure does like his Falstaff beer,

Likes to chase it down with that Wild Turkey liquor;

Drives a fifty-seven GMC pickup truck;

He's got a gun rack; "Goat ropers need love, too" sticker



And it's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



M is for the mud flaps you give me for my pickup truck

O is for the Oil I put on my hair

T is for T-bird

H is for Haggard

E is for eggs, and

R is for REDNECK.



Up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Kicking hippies asses and raising hell.



It's up against the wall Redneck Mother,

Mother, who has raised her son so well.

He's thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.

Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

[luvione]

wildjane, my sister, who I love dearly,,, am splittin tonite for the gathering! I am so excited! Got drenched tryin to walk through the neighborhood to do some last minute stuff. MAN,,, give all my love to the rest of ya's,,,,,gonna go to the love at home, wish me luck!Sorry ya guys but I gots to say howdy to my sis!

[thelittlebear]

Sitting bored & listing to a baseball game, I decided to search for "motherfucker family" for no specific reason and found this site. Joined right away. Really something to read the names of people & places I knew back when. Got a little discouraged at first when the posts started going way of base with Jerry Jeff Walker & stuff (his song was a late homage and joke on all of this). The song you're trying to think of is on the album Kick Out the Jams [motherfucker] by the revolutionary Ann Arbor band MC5 (hence the confusion with Detroit & Iggy Pop).

Max's Kansas City was across the street from Union Square, just north of 14th St. It was a phony plastic place going for the "hip" mainstream look of Peter Max and the "musical" Hair. I only went there once when a Yippie buddy of mine wanted to meet there.

The Electric Circus had formerly been The Dom, from the building's origins as the Dom Narawody Polski, the Polish National Home. It was a dance hall for the local Poles, complete with what later became known as a "disco ball." It started renting out for shows, such as a then little-known Mothers in 1966 and I suppose that became more lucrative than the tiny groups of peole who came for the polka dances. I was there through all of the above, but enough about me.

Motherfuckers put out a little magazine for a bit (can't remember the name now, but I knew the editors) and collaborated with (I think it was) the Diggers (who hardly had a presence in NY, mostly Boston) on a Free Store on Ave. A that didn't last very long,. Yes, everything was free. It was across the street and up a block from the Peace Eye Bookstore, if that means anything to any of you.

Man, haven't thought about any of this for a long time. I was pretty blissed out during this time period and my memory is sketchy.

David Peel was a total poseur. We all laughed at John Lennon for being taken in by him. The guys in Peel's band used to beat up hippies just one year before they realized they could get laid for being hippies and so grew their hair long. Assholes.

Like STP, MF Family & others, I went West in 1970 (many went earlier) and never returned.

Oh, the Angels -- they were happy to provide security for any party that promised them drugs, alcohol or sex.

[jim kirby]

no but i do know ..."balls to your partner arses to the wall
you never been fucked on a saturday night, you never been fucked at all."
luv ya!

[jagerhans]

Man, the stories were incredible!! But, not as Stalinist as the Weather Underground...

If anyone has any stories or knows of or used to be a MotherFucker. I'd like to rap, but also if you were a MotherFucker... lots of love and respect your way!

Succulent ;) ~loving ya'll
no, never heard of this. what's this motherfucker thing ?

[hemlock hollow]

littleBear, hmmm...I was there at that time, lived on the corner of Second Ave and E. Third St., next to the Anderson Theatre. Then lived on E. Sixth St. bet. Ave. A and First Ave. I remember the Peace Eye Bookstore and Ed Sanders and the rest of the Fugs Band. I remember Paul Krassner and his loft around the corner from me. There was a filmmaker named Wolf that lived across the street on e.3rd. Hated Max's and you are right - plastic people. Hung out a lot w/Bob Fass at WBAI.
Finally moved from there when I was to get married (another story, another time)(didn't last long).
Now live in NE TN in the mountains and love it. I hate cities and the traffic after all these years. and yup, still crazy.

gl in hemlock hollow

[busy]

This was the name of the band and there was not a song called Up against the wall motherfuckers but this was what Peel would yell out at the begining of a concert to get the crowd warmed up.
I remember well attending some of these gigs
I was a runaway back in the day and stayed with the STP Family,if I recall correctly it was on East Third Street between Ave.A and B and we lived upstairs from the Hells Angles who had the basement and the first floor.It was safer than any other block on the LES and the junkies would stay away because the bikers ran them off.
I used to hang out at the IT cafe just around the corner from the Filmore and the Cafe Wa.
I remember Little Brother,STP John and Zackery and a friend named Turtle who hung around us who was a friend of Pig Pen from the Dead.
I remember that when the Dead played at the Filmore they would put on a free concert the next day at Sheep Medows in Central Park.We had a blast!
There were not many people at these free concerts back then.
I spent time on the LES in 65 again in 66/67/68.
Does any else know these places or people?
Everyone called me Semore because I wore thick glasses and they wanted to know if I was seeing more.I would say I was Semore do less or other times that I was do more,see less.
I and some friends ended up at a commune in Northern MA that was the last house in Mass.You could throw a rock from the dooryard and it would land in Vermont.
We rented the house and 430 acres of land from some Monks for 5 dollars a month if I recall correctly.
We lived very passive live and were into organic gardening,playing tunes and were pretty much back to the landers.
The commune broke up when some druggies moved in and the place went downhill from there.
The time I was there brings back some of my best memories.To this day I am still a big organic gardener.
We all played tunes and some of the people formed a band called Jacksonville Sage and played some gigs around Mt.Snow ski Area in Vermont. End

[SafetyPin]

MotherFucker "Family?"

[luvione]

Jerry Jeff quit drinkin, and doesnt take requests on stage, at least not in Arkansas. LOL,,, swut they tell me. Now he used to have his head right under them kegs when Stevie Ray Vaughn would play free concerts for the Peoples Community Clinic in Austin in the late 70's. The beer was a quarter a cup, Shiner I beleave. Ya'll keep havin fun here!

Truth & Light = LOVE



Thank you so very fucking much Mimosa! Only problem, though: you didn't include the musical notation. What's the key? (I transpose.) What's the melody?


I don't think Jerry Jeff will sue you for copyright infringement-- he's most likely unconsious right now, anyhow.

If he does raise a beef, just tell him Burl said it's all right.

[luvione]

I knew this was u! The baseball is what gave ya up! A sister recognized me first sentence she read, cuz I write like I talk!LOL! So baby, heres hopin we connect, I'd love to hang out wit ya! ; ) Is always nice to hear your voice as well! But I way miss ya,,,,I get tired of everybody bein so spread out! oh well! Welcome to this very cool place, alot of good stuff comes outta this site, connected with old and new, is NICE!

Sweet Dreams Darlin,
Your Luvi Sis!!
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Sitting bored & listing to a baseball game, I decided to search for "motherfucker family" for no specific reason and found this site. Joined right away. Really something to read the names of people & places I knew back when. Got a little discouraged at first when the posts started going way of base with Jerry Jeff Walker & stuff (his song was a late homage and joke on all of this). The song you're trying to think of is on the album Kick Out the Jams [motherfucker] by the revolutionary Ann Arbor band MC5 (hence the confusion with Detroit & Iggy Pop).

Max's Kansas City was across the street from Union Square, just north of 14th St. It was a phony plastic place going for the "hip" mainstream look of Peter Max and the "musical" Hair. I only went there once when a Yippie buddy of mine wanted to meet there.

The Electric Circus had formerly been The Dom, from the building's origins as the Dom Narawody Polski, the Polish National Home. It was a dance hall for the local Poles, complete with what later became known as a "disco ball." It started renting out for shows, such as a then little-known Mothers in 1966 and I suppose that became more lucrative than the tiny groups of peole who came for the polka dances. I was there through all of the above, but enough about me.

Motherfuckers put out a little magazine for a bit (can't remember the name now, but I knew the editors) and collaborated with (I think it was) the Diggers (who hardly had a presence in NY, mostly Boston) on a Free Store on Ave. A that didn't last very long,. Yes, everything was free. It was across the street and up a block from the Peace Eye Bookstore, if that means anything to any of you.

Man, haven't thought about any of this for a long time. I was pretty blissed out during this time period and my memory is sketchy.

David Peel was a total poseur. We all laughed at John Lennon for being taken in by him. The guys in Peel's band used to beat up hippies just one year before they realized they could get laid for being hippies and so grew their hair long. Assholes.

Like STP, MF Family & others, I went West in 1970 (many went earlier) and never returned.

Oh, the Angels -- they were happy to provide security for any party that promised them drugs, alcohol or sex.

[SafetyPin]

not trying to be contrary, lilbear, just in my nature to say what I know. I didn't leave the city until 1971 and STPers lived in the loft on 3rd street between 1st and second Ave. at that time. Don't know how long they lived there before that.

[SafetyPin]

"Max's Kansas City was across the street from Union Square, just north of 14th St. It was a phony plastic place going for the "hip" mainstream look of Peter Max and the "musical" Hair."

Absolutely, but I wouldn't exactly call it plastic and phony and leave it that. The place was the antithesis of everything the counterculture stood for, regardless of anything I may have intimated at an earlier point in this thread. I got co-opted by the kind of people who went there back in the day, and I still get confused about it sometimes all these years later.

[hemlock hollow]

lilBear, I lived in LES 67-68, corner of e.3rd and second ave., then e.6th bet.ave a and 1st ave. do you remember the janis joplin show at the old yiddish theatre on second ave.?

[Ranger]

Does anyone here remember Bonnie MotherFucker from NY? Whats the last anyone saw of her? She was our costume manager when we (the Down Home Nasties) toured Alaska back in '71. Thanks folks.....

[SafetyPin]

Ranger,

Give it a break. If you are going to keep trying the same approach over and over again nothing will come of it. I've been on two different sites with you, you've tried the same thing twice on this site, in this thread and in another one, and you tried the same thing on the other site before this. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

It might be helpful to tell us who the Down Home Nasties are or were, and why they were touring Alaska. Short of that, unless you tell us some more about Bonnie, you ain't never gonna find her, and if she is not with us anymore you ain't never gonna know that either. Who was she? What did she do? How did you come to know her. What was your relationship to her? Who else knew her?

I'll give you some credit Ranger, at least this time you mentioned that she was your costume manager, that could be helpful, maybe it's all you'll need. Sorry to be so critical, I really do hope you find her. GOOD LUCK!!!

[Ranger]

The fact of the matter is that it's been a while since I brought up the subject of Bonnie of the NY MotherFucker clan and there seem to be a number of NY MFs here now who weren't on line here before. Bonnie came west with the group of MFs who split NY about the time the house in the East Village blew up back around '69 or '70 and one of the crew with her was Chuck MF and another MF named Dennis (I think) with a bad arm. They were in Oregon as of a year and a half ago as Mouseman can confirm. The Nasties were part of the Church oof the Good Earth and house band for Magnolia Thunderpussy's Head Kitchen around that time untill invited to tour Alaska. Bonnie was with Sag (one of our guitarists) and opted to come with us. Shortly after we returned to the Haight she had to fly back to NY on family biz or some such and we lost track of her.

[shameless_heifer]

If your Nasty ya know it.. if your a mother fucker ya know it, If your Bonnie ya know it so no explination needed.

If Ranger wants to ask about Bonnie all day long in every forum, he can if he wants. That's what The Garden is all about..Ranger is co-mod in The Garden, futhermore, you should have a little respect.. Ranger was, is and will hold the respect of the colective family forevermore. If you knew Ranger, you would show him the respect he deserves!!

Magnolia ThunderPussy's use to be the famous Drug Store Cafe on Haight and Ashbury now a Ben n Jerry's I believe... my fav was the Pineapple Pussy :P

Bright Blessings
sh

Love you Ranger Baby!!!

[SafetyPin]

Sorry Shameless, My apologies Ranger, sometimes I forget myself, I know you have a lot of repect on this site Ranger and although I can't say I didn't mean to disrespect you, I know I shoudn't have just the same, it didn't help either of us. Thank you for giving me a chance to explain before you tore me apart, which I know you could easily have done.

But Ranger the part where I asked you to tell who Bonnie was & what she did etc. and who the Down Home Nasties were, was not meant to be disrepectful, and I truly think that the info. you gave in your next post about Bonnie etc. will be more helpful in finding her, if she can be found, then anything you have tried thus far.

Pace y amour (peace & love)
peter

[SafetyPin]

After thought!

Shameless,
I've never disrespected you, and I've never asked for too much respect from anybody and I'm not asking for too much from you, but you could give "me" just a little respect too.

[Ranger]

Shameless, *Blush* You're too kind hun! *HUGS*
Safty Pin, I feel I do owe you some thanks for prompting me to add more detail although if you remember those days prying into a friends past was taboo and led to you're being suspect as an agent for the Man at least, as a result (not to mention the general fogginess of those memories) I don't have a lot of personal info on Bonnie. The 'Sag' I mentioned was 'Sagitarius'. *L*

[shameless_heifer]

Without alerting to much attention on who we were/are, we use a coded message that only 'Family' would dig and respond to. This thread is The Mother Fuckers thread for mf/ers looking for lost members of their tribe and to connect.. the MFers know who they are and know who is being asked about.

Ranger has only posted a few times in the last yr, we look forward to his posts and when you said "Give it a break" it sounded offencive to me, like you were trying to demean Ranger... Ranger is my Brother and I got his back, just like he has mine. When you disrespect Ranger, your disrespecting me and the 'Family'.

Safty Pin, I don't know you and I have yet to see anyone acknowledge knowing you. I do know Ranger, going on 40 yrs. I know of the Good Things he was/is involved with and what he represents. Ranger never comprimised himself and is still following the same code we lived when it all started. He has held fast to his belief in Freedom and Brotherhood. He is an Honorable Man and has made great contributions.

I dont care if you write your blog in the Garden bc you seemed harmless, altho there is a place in Hip Forums for Journals, as I suggested to you a while back.. but when you talk to someone with the tone you were using with Ranger, my Brother, I will state my feelings on the subject in no uncertian terms, so there is no misunderstand in the message I convey.

I wish you no ill will, but I do wish for a little Unity at least here in The Garden when we gather to be as one mind and rejoyce in reconnecting with our brothers and sisters, bringing us HOME in the sence of bypassing distance and creating a presence of being through this venue. Let's use it for the good, let's focus our energies on locating the ones missing, perhaps one of us will be fortunate and be inspiried by Divine Intuition and will come forth with the info to the one that is asking. Let us not hinder by bringing negitive vibes to the table. I respond badly to them, making myself negitive in the process.

I hope I'm not coming off to defencive/offencive. It always best to know when your walking on thin ice.

Bright Blessings
sh

[SafetyPin]

OK, I can respect what you are saying, but along the same lines then, I guess I should be able to ask if anyone knows where some of my brothers and sisters are, for instance Paul, Lloyd, or Barbara!

[shameless_heifer]

yes safty pin, you are free to ask, why would you think you couldn't..you are free to write what you will as long as it harms none..we are all brothers and sisters, we are here to help each other if possible.. this IS the place to ask.. this IS the place where ones will come eventually to find someone or to drop in and say "howdy, I am alive and well".. I have come to The Garden Party so lets shake it up.

We try to keep the Garden clean, a sanctuary where we can gather and share our experiences get to know one another or reaquaint with each other without a bunch of BS to wade through.. I have found several Bro n Sis' since Skip let me open this forum a couple of yrs ago. It has had it's ups and downs, but has grown and settled into a good place to connect with likeminded ones.. it also contains a little history of who and what was happenimn' back in our glory daze of the 60s/70s right up to the NOW of it.

Enjoy and be sweet
sh

[SafetyPin]

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[thelittlebear]

Your probably right, SafetyPin. I was gone, so what do I know? :-)

[thelittlebear]

Hey there luvione -- finally got back "on board" to read messages. stupidly busy this month. I will try to call you before you read this (unless you read it within the next 18 hours! :-)

[thelittlebear]

Great to see names of folks I knew. Little Brother (he & I always got confused because we were both "LB"s), STP John (I still talk to his "Ol lady" regularly). I moved on. Some people never had the opportunity.

[thelittlebear]

Hemlock, you musta been a shade hipper than I. :-) I never got to hang out with Bob Fass, other than being a religious listener. I could name some names, but not online. How do we go offline on this site? Is there a private message function? I think there is. Never been to Tennessee, but got as close as Kentucky. I've been in NW for many years (like many of our co-horts) but just moved to SoCal. Not entirely comfortable here, but I expected that.

[luvione]

Hi Honey Bear,
Good to hear from ya, finally!! Who needs an ol lady when ya got me to rag on ya a lil my brother! LOL!! Well, I met a cute guy at a show at the university, bunch of ol geezers mostly, my best friend looked at me and sd " Honey, we are old geezers." My reply was" Not Peter Pan!" Anyway there was supposed to be a barn dance and it got moved to next month, and the cute guy was gonna be there! Damnt! Oh well. More damn miss's than hits this yr. ; ) Saw a good blues show last night with my daughter and her lil crew! I knew some of the people playin and she quit bein weird bout bein seen in public with the ol hippie! I did get some kiss action from a bass player though! Nice! I'm sorry ya aint to thrilled about Socal, I think thats why I always migrate back to my town here. I fit. Although it hasnt even been 2 months and I'm already to run from the city!AHHH! Insane , yes I am, or am I since I know it?? LOL! Ok, this has been fun, but it's probably off the topic ,sorry kids,, just wanted to say Hi to my bro!

Lovin Ya,

Luvione*

[shameless_heifer]

No worries Luvi, we're informal around the Garden.. as a matter of fact, that's why we are here.. to hookup wif ole firends n family..being off topic is who we are and what we do...lol

sh

[luvione]

Thanks S.H. !! Lil Bear is a busy brother, and with all my runnin around the country, we have a hard time keepin up w/ one another sometimes! I am glad we have somewhere to meet and say Howdy Doody Cutie! LOL!! Ya'll have been very gracious in allowing me to share, thankyou! Peace & Light,

Luvi*

[hemlock hollow]

Oh, little Bear, don't know if I was hipper or not - never thought about that. I was an anti-war activitist mainly. Come visit TN! It's beautiful here, leaves are just starting to turn. If we finally get some rain, I can go flyfishing! But it needs to rain! We are 17" down from normal, yikes! I think there is a private message function. Write me!

[SucculentFlower]

well, look what I got started.

Ben's on the web these days blogging. When I get a chance, I'll post the site, because I forgot it.

He says he's going to publish.

THe paper that the MF'ers put out was called Black Mask.

Love all of you for letting it all hang out. You made the difference!

[shameless_heifer]

That's what it's all about Flower, making a place to open up communication.. Open It And They Will Come... some slower then others, but still they come to take a peek. Thank You!!

Bright Blessing
sh

[SucculentFlower]

Hey there Sister~ here's some history and stuff on Ben Morea

The following is an article on Ben written by Eve Hinderer. It is to be included in the forthcoming book on the Tompkins Square resistance movement edited by Clayton Patterson.

BEN MOREA, BLACK MASK AND MOTHERFUCKER:

A SAGA OF THE Ô60S LOWER EAST SIDE

By Eve Hinderer

The first time I saw Ben Morea was in the fall of 1967 while he and anarchist theoretician Murray Bookchin locked horns in a small room in a tenement on Avenue B, a building that no longer exists. Ben was speaking in favor of direct action, a strategy bypassing the establishment and many times involving street insurgency. Murray maintained that consciousness came first. Ô I Was [Ben] going to take a mallet and chisel and chip away at the buildings of Wall Street?Õ Bookchin asked, by way of a challenge. Later Ben and his affinity group, affectionately known as the ÔMotherfuckersÕ, captured the imagination of revolutionaries of the time, including the Weatherman faction of SDS, Students for a Democratic Society.

It was in signing off on a flyer, distributed at a local SDS meeting and a later Lincoln Center demonstration that Morea and others had first come up with UAW/MF, or ÔUp Against the Wall Motherfucker,Õ a line from a poem by Amiri Baraka. Close associates of the group were referred to as the familyÕ. A denizen of the Lower East Side myself at the time and an avowed anarchist, I took my place on the periphery of the group, being primarily involved in the beginnings of womenÔs liberation, in a group calling itself New York Radical Women.

Motherfucker had a Ôcross overÕ effect on other ideas and groupings of the time. The Yippies also espoused a prankish irreverence in their activities, but never approached the seriousness of UAW/MF. Likewise, although the SDS splinter Weatherman had been influenced by the insurgent activity of Motherfucker, it is doubtful they consciously thought of themselves as anarchists.

It was while still a teenager that Morea first came under the tutelage of Julian Beck and Judith Malina of the Living Theatre. Under their wing, Ben gave up the heroine-tinged culture of the jazz musician and turned instead to painting and politics. His first political formulation declared a connection between art and revolution and resulted in Black Mask, the broadside Morea and friends produced for 10 issues from November of 1966 to May of '68. Part of Black Mask theory was an opposition to European culture, saying instead that revolutionary art should be Ôan integral part of life, as in primitive society, and not an appendage to wealth.Õ

In the melting pot of the Ô60s, however, and against the backdrop of the militant opposition to the Vietnam War, Morea discontinued Black Mask, declaring that Motherfucker had transcended it, and that the real call was Ôinto the streetsÕ. While the group engaged in the serious business of fomenting revolution in theory and practice, their actions also included a playful, irreverent sabotage. Some of them were:

Distributed a flyer along the Bowery falsely advertising that a gallery opening on ManhattanÕs upscale East 57th Street would have free liquor and food. When the group arrived on the scene to see what had transpired, Ôthere were 1000 people there,Õ with the Tactical Police Force everywhere.

Closed off St. MarkÕs Place between 2nd and 3rd Avenues, which ultimately resulted in a riot. Ben said that when Abbie Hoffman emerged out of his apartment on the same block, he immediately joined in.

During NYC garbage strike in 1968, brought garbage up to Lincoln Center where it was dumped in the fountain. This event was filmed by the Newsreel collective, with the name Garbage.

Cut the cyclone fence at Woodstock in 1969, opening the door for the mass phenomenon that followed. That action has never been publicly acknowledged even by Wavy Gravy, a friend;

Did a mock shooting of poet Kenneth Koch during at reading at St. MarkÕs Church in the Bowery. An MFr pulled out a fake gun and shouted ÔKochÕ and shot a blank. The poet was so shocked that he fainted. Leaflets were then thrown from the balcony with photos of Leroi Jones and the slogan Ôpoetry is revolution.Õ

The group specialized in what Morea refers to as Ôbreakaways.Õ During the Pentagon demonstration in the fall of Ô68, for example, they actually forced an entry into the building.

Ben was always interested in the history of the anti-authoritarian, anti-Leninist left. He looked up old anarchists and went to see them. He was interested in Alexandra Kollantai, who was suppressed by Lenin. He went to see Raya Dunaskaya, TrotskyÕs secretary, in Detroit. Raya and Ben argued, and she threw him out.

The Becks assisted Ben and Motherfucker in taking over the Fillmore East, and pressured Bill Graham into letting Ôthe communityÕ have it free one night a week. BenÕs theory was that as in art and revolution, theatre and revolution also went together. After 3-4 weeks the cops forced Graham to renege on the deal or they would shut him down.

Many politicized people and groups passed through BenÕs East Broadway loft;

- A leader of the Japanese Zengaukoren, a group that frequently engaged in pitched battles with the police. This fellow later joined Che in Bolivia;

- King Mob, from the UK, who Ben has described as Ôa great guyÕ;

- The Situationists. Situationist Guy DeBord later concluded that Ben and Motherfucker were Ôtoo mystical.Õ

- Jean Jacques Lebel, a leader of the French uprising in Ô68;

- Valerie Solanas was a close friend. [She was the author of the SCUM Manifesto: the Society for Cutting Up Men. She later made an assassination attempt on Andy Warhol.] BenÕs character appears in the movie made of her life (I Shot Andy Warhol); and although the relationship was platonic, it was portrayed as being sexual: the only way Hollywood could really conceive of it. Ben remembers asking Valerie, ÔYouÕre about cutting up men, that means killing them, right? What about me?"Ô She said, ÔI promise you Ben, youÕll be the last man to go.Õ

As part of BenÕs involvement in art and painting, he met with Richard Huelsenbeck of the Berlin Dada movement and also visited Nicholas Calas, the critic who supported the surrealists. He was greatly influenced by Aldo Tambellini, early independent filmmaker and artist, who eventually became his mentor.

Morea coined the phrase Ôaffinity group.Õ Marcuse had just talked at SVA (School for Visual Arts) and after the talk, went down to Murray BookchinÕs apartment in lower Manhattan. At the ensuing meeting were Morea, Marcuse, Bookchin and Tom Neuman, MarcuseÕs stepson, who was part of MF. Ben heard the Spanish term aficionado, and substituted the word affinity to approximate the Spanish meaning. Neuman later gave the term, Ôaffinity groupÕ, itÕs definition: Ôa street gang with an analysis,Õ later used by King Mob. This term has gained widespread usage in the anarchist youth movement of today.

Ben and Motherfucker supported crash pads, and fed hundreds of people twice a week with mislabeled yogurt from Dannon and stews made with fish market surpluses. They hooked people up with doctors, worked with lawyers and ran a free store. They did this with grants from Judson Church, through ESSO: East Side Services Organization, the moniker they adopted in order to apply for money.

Ben was active in NYC between 1959 and 1969, encompassing the end of the Ô50s Beat scene and the beginnings of Õ60s ÔhipÕ counterculture. He was good friends with Alan Ginsberg and Leroi Jones (aka Amiri Baraka) among others, and continuously engaged the resistance movement of the Ô60s in its entirety: artistic and political

[luvione]

Thanks for some history,, love it!

[furtherboat]

Dick MF here.
I Love this thread. The beautiful mixing of truth and fiction and myth. Ben is blogging at e-blast. Truth is momentous and transitory. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. MF with Chuck MF with bad arm was not Dennis but "one arm Mike MF"
Please keep the 40 year old memories coming.

[luvione]

Hi Dick,
cant write ya a private email here,,, oh well. Thanks for fighten the good fight,,
hope this finds ya well and happy!

[furtherboat]

Luvione, thanks for the shout out!

Just happened on this thread yesterday. For some stupid reason I want to jump in because the myth and reality are conjoined twins. The myth always preceeds the reality.

I was there at most of the events mentioned and I was a part of the myth making that now has reached the level of true urban legend. CAN YOU DIG IT!!

First thanks to Succulent Flower for bringing it up, way back in 2004. I would add one thing to his first posting.

There are no living "used to be Motherfuckers." Just as there are no ex-wobblies, or ex-marines. As the pranksters noted, "you are either on the bus or you are off the bus."

Once I was a part of the philosophy, and embraced our form of struggle and had a personal understanding of my/our relation to the system of private property, and my responsiblity to serve/save OUR people I was changed internally and externally, irrevocably.

I was, I am and will forever be......Dick MF.

As to SF's second posting, Alan G. was never a Motherfucker. As to Ben "turning" us over to anyone, that would be impossible. We are anarchist. Ben was not our leader. We had no leader. Don't get me wrong, Ben was a/the most important part of MF, he worked the hardest, took some of the greatest risks, and contributed more or at least as much as anyone. He enjoyed great respect and of course gave and received much of the LOVE that was the binding glue of the first affinity group. (since the Spanish Civil War)

Alan and I were togather in many struggles, and I got a few great Ginsberg stories. but this is not the proper forum for those.
This is for Motherfucker stories.

I'll contribute some of them "as time goes by."

[luvione]

YES,, I'm back!! Nice to meet ya, so glad to greet ya. Yeah Dick, my sister left in 74 too, myself,I didnt start hanging till 76.She asked me to ask you if you drove from Tx, in a mini yellow type van/bus deal to Woodstock? Ya'll can check out my baby myspace, put a face to the voice.I havent done much with it, still a work in progress! Nice to be back,, Happy New Year!!! Yee Haw!

[luvione]

Hello, Noticed since I wrote here, am ignored.So'k,, my mfr sister told me she was laughed at for applying to become a page in the whitehouse under JFK, she went left and still found gender a problem Amoungst,, brothers. And since I am just a squirt, that just happens to be connected to this path,,, well I am only here to connect. Had to keep this thread current, folks still filtering through. Much Love!

[JulieAnn]

The only song I know called
"UP AGAINST THE WALL MOTHERFUCKER"
IS BY David Peel
THE SELF PROCLAIMED HIPPIE OF NEW YORK CITY.
Yes, David Peel and the Lower East Side. Other greats by David Peel included one of my favorites, "I do my bawling in the bathroom." Off the album, "Have a Marijuana" (if memory serves me).

[highsite]

I remember them as a radical-politics rock band around 1969 in the Village..Sorry, no other details. But there was ANOTHER band (I'm sure they knew each other) called "Cat Mother and the All Night Workers"....anybody remember them?

[SucculentFlower]

Well just for a quick update, I asked Ben to come around this forum. Skip had asked if I could get an "old 60's activist" to come around and do a Q & A section. So no luck.

If you google Morea on the net, there's been some activity, some about Black Mask & an Interview with Ben.

He's a sweet guy, I used to drive him around the States selling beads ( he's getting up into his 70's and never learned to drive very well...) He's very active painting almost everyday.

We used to share alternative press mags. and art mags.

Joan runs a huge Jewelry company and has supported an immense family.

As for the comment of Max's Kansas City, I'm sorta miffed about the "plastic ppl" comments, my Father was one of the main bartenders and I knew Max too. He was always very nice to me. :P

[thelittlebear]

It was Cat Mother and the All-Night Newsboys.

[glow]

The only memory I have of that statement was by the motor city five from detroit when they used to hold concerts and project anti war statements and news by film on the wall behind the stage in the late 60s. The also played around ann arbor supporting john sinclair.And would also yell, Kick out the jams, Motherf-----s. Iv'e cleaned up my language some since then....lol

[zencoyote]

The Motherfuckers (up against.....) were an SDS affiliated anarchist group in NYC.
David Peel and the Lower East side....(up against...) is correct. On the album "Have a Marijuana"
Jefferson Airplane included the phrase in their album "Volunteers"
MC5 was the White Panthers' "house band"....their term was, "kick out the jams, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!"

Never heard any Cat Mother Motherfuckers but their song "Strike a Match" is a classic.

Zen

[gate68]

When your feet are in the saddle and your ass upon the ground...

[raconteur]

The only memory I have of that statement was by the motor city five from detroit when they used to hold concerts and project anti war statements and news by film on the wall behind the stage in the late 60s. The also played around ann arbor supporting john sinclair.And would also yell, Kick out the jams, Motherf-----s. Iv'e cleaned up my language some since then....lol

Right on...Rob Tyner (MC5) used to yell that just before the band ripped our ears off - in a good way.
Grande Ballroom.

[rozrohabra]

Yes, its David Peel. I just ordered the Up Aginst the Wall cd earlier today.

[thelittlebear]

That about says it all. peel's bandmembers used to beat up hippies for having long hair before they realized they had a better chance of getting laid as long-haired rock "musicians". They sucked.

But it wasn't about the music anyway. The Motherfuckers was about politics and they were way ahead of the women's movement on women's issues. They originated the phrase "Up Against the Wall, Motherfucker" (actually as a quote from one of NY's Finest talking to a long-hair). Anyone remember their famous interiew with Bob Fass on WBAI?

[luvione]

Lil Bear, lovin you. I heard all them storys from too many of my elders,(heehee) it's cool when ya can gt perspective from folks that were there and get a bigger picture.Thanks to all who helped,,, Happy Trails