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Inquiring-Mind
10-26-2005, 05:35 AM
If eventually they will die anyways.

What is the point of this world? If there is a heaven and and hell?

heron
10-26-2005, 06:35 AM
Because they will die, life means even more.

If one were immortal, what would life matter then?

Fjolnirsson
10-26-2005, 02:51 PM
What we do in this world affects our children. Our luck and honour is passed on to our family line. Furthermore, a man can acheive a measure of immortality in this world, by performing great deeds by which he will be remembered after his death.
Hmm, seems like I've quoted this a lot lately:
Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die,
fair fame of one who has earned.
-Havamal 75

BlackBillBlake
10-26-2005, 03:23 PM
What is the point of this world?
It just is.

Why do we care about life? No life = no humans. It's all we've got.

pop_terror
10-26-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't believe in immortality for human beings. Ultimately everything is destroyed and forgotten.

If there's nothing special about life then there's no such thing as life, really. It's just an amalgamation of death. Even consciousness is a mode of death, in that case. If there is something special about life, that is to say that it somehow transcends our physical bodies. If there is nothing special about life then we are already dead, so what is there to fear?

The point of this world is to make one's visions concrete, as is evidenced by this ultimately being an impossible task. Nothing is concrete. Nothing lasts. It does seem to last longer than a dream, though.

sassure
10-26-2005, 09:19 PM
We are a point of evolution -- and we must continue to evolve -- we must move from dimension A to dimension B during the few years that we have here. How are we doing? Since we're still spiritually asleep, I would say not very well. That's because, as GB Shaw once tried to point out, we must learn to CONSCIOUSLY evolve -- but what he may not have said is that it takes an application of one's personal energy to catalyze such a transformation. And remember DH Lawrence, that novelist of love? He's supposed to have claimed some kind of spiritual significance for sexuality. And he was right, being far ahead of his time in this matter. The missing pieces here are the following: as we need energy to evolve physically and spiritually from this plane/dimension to the next (where we can more easily attain immortality), we need to tap into our most powerful reserve of this energy: sexual energy. In 2005 our sexual energy is purely a selfish waste; we don't understand that the male-female dynamic has TWO functions: to physically procreate AND to spiritually procreate by a dual-mirroring momentum-building exchange of sexual energy. If we could just read our invisible spiritual DNA we might see this in the code.

Varuna
10-27-2005, 10:30 PM
Why do humans care about life?

Because life is what we are.

Why do humans care about life?

Why not?

Do you have a good reason not to care about life? Can you offer one good reason that negates all of the good reasons TO care?

Just asking.

Peace and Love

Inquiring-Mind
10-28-2005, 12:34 AM
Because life is what we are.



Why not?

Do you have a good reason not to care about life? Can you offer one good reason that negates all of the good reasons TO care?

Just asking.

Peace and Love

Because everything we do ultimately does not matter but we just make it matter.

verseau_miracle
02-05-2006, 02:03 PM
I believe we have a soul

Our soul is energy

Energy does not die

It changes

When we "die", we change. Death is the biggest myth on this planet.

StonerBill
02-05-2006, 02:12 PM
give me a break, thats one of the oldest misconceptions of highschool physics in the book

verseau_miracle
02-05-2006, 02:31 PM
give me a break, thats one of the oldest misconceptions of highschool physics in the book
I didnt go to "highschool"

And, admittedly, i am not a scientific person. Physics baffles me. But i have a feeling people like to make it all a lot more complex than it actually is. Im a literary person, i like imagery. Is there any way you can explain what happens to energy for me as if i was a human being, not a robot? Then i may understand, and agree with you. But for now, i feel energy...and my "misconception", which was taught to me in comprehensive school, makes sense to me.

Xx

NaturaAtraSpiritus
02-06-2006, 02:16 PM
SO what is the deal with energy?

I've always heard it never is destroyed or created either... But I have kind of wondered about it. so whats up

rainbowedskylover
03-05-2006, 08:52 PM
thatīs a hard question to answer. and i think human isnīt capable of understanding it completely. so I personaly inīt gonna look for an answer.

but doesnīt that question needs a topic of itīs own?

Asmodean
03-06-2006, 06:32 PM
It's also a matter about instinct. Isn't that the reason why animals care about their lifes?

rainbowedskylover
03-06-2006, 07:20 PM
i was thinking about that either

WhisperingWoods
03-08-2006, 02:15 AM
Hm, your energy is one thing, your consciousness is another.

Everything is made up of energy in one form or another--since we are all made up of atoms which are made up of quarks and so on and so on, and eventually just straight-up pure energy. Such that, our energy is connected through the air with our computer monitors, on a basis of sharing this space. When we die, our body decomposes and releases the energy into the multiverse through decomposition or what have you. The energy that you were once composed of at some point, is now in a mushroom, or maybe you have enriched the soil for nearby plants to grow from. Maybe a wolf dragged off your body and had its way with you. :) This is my little theory. Most will agree that the energy cycle works like this.

I just put on a little twist that your consciousness is definately separate from this energy, because it's all in the brain. That's it. Your brain doesnt work? You can't even percieve your own mind. Your head doesn't work anymore, you're dead. If there is some other mystical energy in us, other than magnetism, we have yet to prove it.

Oh, that's why you should value life. There's a good chance that it's all we got.

Cosmic Butterfly
03-10-2006, 06:09 AM
I care about life, because I am alive. When a see a small insect crawling on a life I feel connected to that bug. That little bug is alive and we will both die one day. We experiencing the same Earth dimension. Eat, Reproduce, die cycle...over and over. Awww.

StonerBill
03-28-2006, 03:55 PM
energy does indeed change but the soul is not a type of energy.

the energy in your brain is electrical and chemical potential. when you die, the energy changes into heat and dissipates through your head and out into the world.


I didnt go to "highschool"

And, admittedly, i am not a scientific person. Physics baffles me. But i have a feeling people like to make it all a lot more complex than it actually is. Im a literary person, i like imagery. Is there any way you can explain what happens to energy for me as if i was a human being, not a robot? Then i may understand, and agree with you. But for now, i feel energy...and my "misconception", which was taught to me in comprehensive school, makes sense to me.

Xx people do like to make it sound more complicated than it is, but at the same time people actually think of it as much much less complicated than it is.

youre sensasionalising the word 'energy' as a feeling. this is not what 'energy' means in today's english language, but is a romantic/poetic reference of just as you said, a 'feeling'.
human beings have the gift of all animals to understand what energy is, but all animals have feelings. thus, by referring to the objective sense of 'energy', i am taking the more 'human' route. robots are just extensions of humans to do quantitative calculations. robots have nothing to do with what we are talking about here, or even scientific conceptualisation at all.

if all you do is feel, then you mustnt understand anything.

the fact that energy changes is not the misconception, but that 'felt' energy = energy, and in turn that any 'felt' energies must never go away either. like the 'soul', or the energy of 'love'.

Maz
06-25-2006, 01:18 AM
it could work on a whole different level, like energy and feelings lose their differences and you get a consciousness that exists in an immaterial form. Mazz

dazedandconfused11
02-20-2007, 02:17 PM
doesnt anyone get a headache from thinking about that stuff?

themnax
02-22-2007, 04:05 PM
we don't know what there is or isn't outside of and beyond this life, but we damd well know, however much we may try to deny it, that as long as we are alive in it, what we make of this world we are all living in, is what we're damd well going to have to live with as long as we do.

=^^=
.../\...

dazedandconfused11
02-23-2007, 04:01 AM
we don't know what there is or isn't outside of and beyond this life, but we damd well know, however much we may try to deny it, that as long as we are alive in it, what we make of this world we are all living in, is what we're damd well going to have to live with as long as we do.

=^^=
.../\...Dam yes

hippy i am
02-24-2007, 11:04 PM
We are a point of evolution -- and we must continue to evolve -- we must move from dimension A to dimension B during the few years that we have here. How are we doing? Since we're still spiritually asleep, I would say not very well. That's because, as GB Shaw once tried to point out, we must learn to CONSCIOUSLY evolve -- but what he may not have said is that it takes an application of one's personal energy to catalyze such a transformation. And remember DH Lawrence, that novelist of love? He's supposed to have claimed some kind of spiritual significance for sexuality. And he was right, being far ahead of his time in this matter. The missing pieces here are the following: as we need energy to evolve physically and spiritually from this plane/dimension to the next (where we can more easily attain immortality), we need to tap into our most powerful reserve of this energy: sexual energy. In 2005 our sexual energy is purely a selfish waste; we don't understand that the male-female dynamic has TWO functions: to physically procreate AND to spiritually procreate by a dual-mirroring momentum-building exchange of sexual energy. If we could just read our invisible spiritual DNA we might see this in the code.
that really makes a lot of sense.
i mean, we care about life bc we're living in it.
right now, tommorrow and yesterday.
life is all we have, if you think about it.
i mean i'm not dead set on a religion.
i was raised to think for myself.
luckily i have had the oppurtunity to experience many religions.
before i found my true calling.
i believe in many different things.
and since i have put one and one together,
life is about living it until it's gone.
why bother with the afterlife.
who's to say it really exists?
so, who's to say that our "fun" is limited to.
chase your pleasures.
"break on through to the other side".

(i'm listening to that right now)
thought that was conspiscious, lol.

ScrappytheChampa
09-10-2007, 01:51 AM
That would basically an absurdist position. An absurdist positiong is essentially an all or nothing position with no value judgements. The problem is that every breath you take and second you stay alive you are essentially making a value judgement. If life is pointless everything is pointless, that would include death.

dacre4
09-26-2007, 01:55 AM
Yeah I get the feeling that since ima die eventually that nothing really matters, after it happens i mean. When life is happening, the only things that matter is happening in life itself. It's just depressing for me just thinking of death in general. I really wish i could live to be like 300. No joke if i had 1 wish it'd be that. My second wish would be to be rich.

dazedandconfused11
09-28-2007, 12:29 PM
We are a point of evolution -- and we must continue to evolve -- we must move from dimension A to dimension B during the few years that we have here. How are we doing? Since we're still spiritually asleep, I would say not very well. That's because, as GB Shaw once tried to point out, we must learn to CONSCIOUSLY evolve -- but what he may not have said is that it takes an application of one's personal energy to catalyze such a transformation. And remember DH Lawrence, that novelist of love? He's supposed to have claimed some kind of spiritual significance for sexuality. And he was right, being far ahead of his time in this matter. The missing pieces here are the following: as we need energy to evolve physically and spiritually from this plane/dimension to the next (where we can more easily attain immortality), we need to tap into our most powerful reserve of this energy: sexual energy. In 2005 our sexual energy is purely a selfish waste; we don't understand that the male-female dynamic has TWO functions: to physically procreate AND to spiritually procreate by a dual-mirroring momentum-building exchange of sexual energy. If we could just read our invisible spiritual DNA we might see this in the code.

how can i tell if ive properly consiously evolved? am i crazy?

dazedandconfused11
09-28-2007, 12:30 PM
my purpose is to be famous lol

Share the Warmth
10-17-2007, 11:31 PM
If we would prefer to not be killed by others, than it is imperative not only to not kill our fellow brothers and sisters, but to respect them to the best of our ability.

All undue negativity cast upon others shall be returned to you. I truly believe that is true in this universe.

We're all linked in a spiritual way, so doing harm to another is actually doing it to yourself in a way. A lack of understanding of this, and the western emphasis of the "other" is the biggest problem the world faces. It is the reason so many are so selfish, and why we all suffer so much.

When Jesus said "turn the other cheek", it was the greatest advise we could have asked for and if we all followed it, we would all be living in complete paradise in a few years.

I do think the transformation would be that quick, and also that as a species we are headed in that direction. Don't ask me for proof, I have none. It's just a feeling that our global consciousness is rapidly expanding and soon we will all get wise to this information.

Asmodean
10-18-2007, 12:37 AM
When Jesus said "turn the other cheek", it was the greatest advise we could have asked for and if we all followed it, we would all be living in complete paradise in a few years.

Not really paradise if you're only one of the few that live by that though. I get what you're saying, but it's really not going to work like this.

chugtonio
07-20-2008, 10:34 AM
Answer to question:
Because as another species on earth, we strive to survive
that means competition with others as well as basic instincts transformed through ego and consciousness to complex engrossing lifestyles

I think we are as simple as any other species, we need to eat, we need shelter and we want to be better then everyone else
Its natural selection taken to the extreme, in a form that is so complex that our lives revolve around it
looking the best
(we are all just flesh and bones, what does a few more pixels of body mass seen through our eyes amount to in terms of efficiency at living, and yet being a few pounds overweight can plummet someone into depression or constant dissatisfaction)

Succeeding
-how much you have
-what people think of you
We glorify the idea of being wealthy but at the end of the day, you can only sit in one chair at a time

Besides all that nonsense, I don't know why we take life so serously

sunyatasamsara
07-20-2008, 10:56 AM
chugtonio i agree, my conclusion is there is no point "it is what it is"