Whats the best herbal high, not including pot?

[lordcthulhu]

We'll as some of you may know, I can't smoke marijuana anymore or do any other illegal drugs for that matter (except acid and mabey shrooms.) I've done Salvia many times, but its more of an insane halluenigen rather then a nice euphoric, relaxing high (which is what im looking for). My top two choices thus far are kava and Sinicuchi. Both seem to give just what I'm looking for, a nice euphoric high thats not to intense but will definetly help me relax at the end of the day. I'd also prefer it was something that I could smoke rather then a tea, but it doesn't really matter. I know nothing can really compare to MJ, but I still want to find a nice substitue in the mean time.

[Trippin' Billies]

i hear kratom produces the effects u desire, u might wanna check it out

[TopNotchStoner]

I would go with Kratom, as well. I tried sinicuichi and it's nothing special.

[lordcthulhu]

Kratom is way too fucking expensive. I was looking at various websites and the price of kratom was even more then pot!

[TopNotchStoner]

It depends if you get the resin extract or the leaf. The resin extract is usually 10x as straong as the leaf and you only need a gram. At any rate, trust me when I say it's better than sinicuichi.

[lordcthulhu]

Yean ,NM my last comment, I was just looking at really shitty websites. BTW have you guys tried it? And can you smoke it, or do you have to make it into a tea?

[TopNotchStoner]

Yean ,NM my last comment, I was just looking at really shitty websites. BTW have you guys tried it? And can you smoke it, or do you have to make it into a tea?Either tea or smoke. www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml (http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml) is the link to erowid's kratom vault, check it out for some experiences.

[nesta]

i've been looking into kratom personally (got a gram of resin extract coming in the mail, along with something a little more interesting to me) and am having difficulty in finding dosages for smoked amounts for beginners. i've read several places that it can be smoked, but no exp. reports at erowid and no dosage information.

to anyone who's tried kratom, can you tell me anything different about dosage of smoked versus oral? if used orally, how long does it take to come on? what would be the best way to ingest this extract orally if thats the way it must be done?

[nesta]

i've been looking into kratom personally (got a gram of resin extract coming in the mail, along with something a little more interesting to me) and am having difficulty in finding dosages for smoked amounts for beginners. i've read several places that it can be smoked, but no exp. reports at erowid and no dosage information.

to anyone who's tried kratom, can you tell me anything different about dosage of smoked versus oral? if used orally, how long does it take to come on? what would be the best way to ingest this extract orally if thats the way it must be done?

[TopNotchStoner]

There is a good discription of usage and a whole lot of other stuff at www.sagewisdom.org/kratomguide.html.

[yazzer]

I've seen some herbal joints at www.grasscity.com (http://www.grasscity.com)
I want to smoke the one most like weed as well.
Some of that shit just sounds scary. I dont want to hallucinate. I just wanna be chilled out.
Good thread!

[dj_reegz]

You can get some pretty potent visuals off of Wormwood too... but Absynth really isn't for the faint of heart and/or mind. Unless you like having morphing visuals while puking....

my first true salvia exp. was being on a rollercoaster through the cosmos. Although I'm told thats not a comon exp.

[StonerBill]

smoke oregano! man you gotta try it, but you gotta smoke lots! never give up!

[TopNotchStoner]

smoke oregano! man you gotta try it, but you gotta smoke lots! never give up!I did that. But it was only because I was practicing my blunt rolling technique and didn't want to waste any weed.

[ShamanHut]

I do believe that the Kratom wave has hit and thats why its so damn expensive. Theres only one major grower/exporter and they are taking advantage of the huge demand for it. I can't make a profit from it.
But the reason there is a huge demand for it is because it really is strong stuff that can give you the dreamy very euphoric relaxed feeling of powerful opiates like opium, morphine, etc. The simplest way that I would suggest taking it is 3-5 grams of premium grade stuffed into 00 capsules. Thats about 6-10 capsules. The effects come on slow over an hour and build to 3 hours tapering off at 6-8 hours. Smoking it is a waste unless you are going to keep smoking it since the effects are minimal and wear off quickly. It does give more psychedelic/mental type effects from smoking though. I recall pulling bong a bong a bong of extract and then not being able to even talk without laughing uncontrollably when trying to order some fast food. I love this stuff something serious. Be forewarned though. I think it may be addictive.

[openmindedlunchbox]

Kratom still isnt that expensive even with the raise in prices, and its one of the best legal non hallucinogenic drugs...but if you want a really cheap buzz, try lions tail flowers,they gave me a nice little relaxing buzz with a bowl or two, and they make a smooth, good tasting smoke.

[lordcthulhu]

I ordered 4 ounces of premium kratom and 90 grams of commercial, but it was doubled to 180(if he's an honest seller) becuase I have to wait a longer time for it. I'm going to make a tea with both and also a methanol extract with the premium stuff which I'm gonna swallow and also smoke through a a bong, bowl, and hopefully I'l be able to coat a few blunt wraps with the syrupy extract. I have alot of experimenting to do with this stuff, but I'll post all of the results this forum.

[TopNotchStoner]

good luck, man, and have fun.

[iThroPooAtYou]

Kratom is the best legal drug around as far as potency is concerned. I've gone through 40 grams of 10:1 in the last two months. I typically dose 3-4 grams of extract. The effects last about 3-4 hours. The come up is extremely smoth over a 45min-1hour time frame, after that it comes in waves. Watch the redose, I usually 1.5-2 no less than 3 hours after original dose. If experimenting with potentiation be sure to lower your dose at first, grapefruit or mj do a fantastic job. A little alcohol can go a long way, but too much gets you no where. You can currently by the active alkaloids, so this high is fast tracking on getting scheduled. I give it two or three years in the US.

Everyone really ought to at least check this stuff out, you can get 4g of 10:1 for like 8 bucks from a popular online vendor. Watch out it is addictive (with possible physical dependance with prolonged use). I read a report on erowid of a guy who went through a hellish 14 day withdrawl after very heavy regular use. I went on a 4 day binge once, and now only allow myself to buy 12 grams at a time.

[OctopusNightstand]

I figured i'd write this here. I want some kratom and Wild Dagga, but im a minor, so i figure, if i just go onto a site and use a siblings name whos older than 18 to get it, that should work right? im paying with cash so i dont see how it could go wrong.

[iThroPooAtYou]

How do you plan to use cash at a website? I promise they arn't going to try to verify your age, if you have a credit card, that is proof enough for them. Before I was 18 and wanted to order stuff online, I opened a paypal account transfer money into it from a free bank savings account. PayPal has a service where they will give you a temporary (virtual) credit card number you can use to purchase from websites... Suffice it to say, I was a pretty secretive kid.

Alternately, these days you can go to a store and buy a prepaid credit card for $25, $50, $100 etc witch cash. Then use this gift card online. But beware, some vendors (I don't know any in particular) don't accept these gift cards because the credit card company charges them a higher percentage rate than normal credit cards.

If there is a will, there's a way. You'll be scarfing down Kratom in no time.

[**PsYcHoDeLiC**]

jus go garden centre and look for some peruvian torch catus... do some mixing and you have mescaline! how much better can you get than mescaline. achli are peruvian torch illegal over the pond?? i kno peyote is but what about the other mescaline cactii?
x

[OctopusNightstand]

This is about the dagga. There are three main kinds right? marihuanilla, klip dagga, and lions tail? Kilp and lions tail seem most potent, but which one out of those two is the best buy? i dont really want to buy the flowers because im poor currently, but the leaves are much cheaper so i need to know which ones work better.