Rants and Raves [Archive]

hippiewise

10-20-2005, 07:51 PM

hi everyone, i am new to the boards and have no complaints. but i do want to rant about a website that i wrote on for over a year. it is a site for a reggae/rock/funk protest group. this website was so very cool and i had made many friends there. then this crank head druggie came on and messed with everyone, mainly me. there was no monitor for the boards so this creep just got away with his shit. everytime someone would make a post he would post irrational and angry and no sense posts. i took a stand and stood up to him on the boards, and then he started really harassing me. i sent many e-mails to the bands managment company, they were supposed to be monitering the boards, but didn't. then this creep starts following me onto other websites. finally i had enough and left the site i loved so much. the other thing that happened is members of the forums started attacking one another, mainly me. i wasn't the enemy, what really pissed me off is this creep is still writing on the boards and controlling everyone with his drugged out and angry posts. it really hurt me and i miss the boards it was such a gentle place before. finally the administrator of the boards wrote to me and said they were afraid he would hack the boards or attack a member of the band, so their hands were tied. it made me feel hopeless and helpless just like with our commander in chief and all of his control of the country. i am a protestor of the 60's and have always stood up for my rights, i felt i had no rights on this so-called peaceful fourm and website. thanks for letting me rant. feels better. i do like these boards, they are much better and there are monitors and i appreciate that.
hippiewise

shameless_heifer

10-20-2005, 08:11 PM

Thank you Hippiewise,
Sorry you had to leave your board, I know how that feels. but on the other hand, I'm happy you found your way to us here at Hip Forums.
Brightest Blessings
sh

gate68

10-21-2005, 01:20 AM

damn druggies

hippiewise

10-21-2005, 10:16 PM

i am happy i found my way to hip forums too, it's cool to talk with other hippies from the 60's and 70's and young hippies of todays generation.
hippiewise

mimosa

11-01-2005, 05:57 AM

hippiewise, I didn't see this post before but I know just how you feel. I go to a few music and related type boards where things have deteriorated, due to abnormal personalities like you describe. and it's too sad. My theme for today (depressingly) has been "mean people suck" and I am just thankful for all the good people of the world who don't suck. I am usually positive about things, but today was a tough one for some reason. Glad for all you good people here, and everywhere.

THUDLY

11-06-2005, 02:49 PM

How perfectly awful.

Mellow Yellow

11-07-2005, 11:10 PM

I've got no gripe, I've seen a few folks get booted off this forum for being out of line, predatory, and anti-social, and that's a good thing, yet there's a great deal of freedom, provided you follow the rules and respect your fellow man (and woman). It's great to be able to express yourself openly, I just wish more folks would provide a little more substance and content in their posts, I like to read stuff that moves me, y'know? Like Voided's account of the hanging for example, pretty disturbing, but it makes you think...

Mellow Yellow

11-08-2005, 05:04 PM

Steve, I'm glad you left it there, it's a powerful read, though I can understand your reluctance to share something so personal (and I suspect that's the root of this issue I speak of regarding content, the more personal info you reveal, the more likely it is your cover will be blown and your identity will be revealed--is that what it's coming to?).

The key is to withold the names to protect the innocent (and the guilty).

Damn but that's a frightening account of where racism, hatred, and narrow-mindedness can lead ignorant men...all I can say is the perps will eventually have a higher power to reckon with...

THUDLY

11-08-2005, 09:39 PM

Mellow Yellow

11-08-2005, 09:51 PM

Thudly, though your post wasn't directed at me I'm sorry to hear it, yet I can relate, been there...

...saw your Abbie Hoffman post BTW, interesting that you knew "the pieman" personally, small world...

gate68

11-08-2005, 10:24 PM

THUDLY

11-09-2005, 03:42 PM

Gate 68-- What's with this shooting my dog shit? My last dog got smashed on the road. The only dog I ever shot was my beagle Lindsay who got eviscerated by either coyotes or wild dogs and was suffering terribly. Well, I shot my mom's dog but it was 19 years old, blind, deaf and incontinent. Those were mercy killings, no different than a vet's needle and faster and just as painless.

No, I quit getting dogs; if I can't leave them run free once in awhile without getting run over or have the idiot yuppie neighbors raise hell, then fuck it.

I do have a week-end girlfriend but she ain't too bright. She does work hard, though. She's a regular beaver on the woodpile! (A regular mink in bed, but that's neither here nor there.)

Most of my old friends are dead and I'm basically anti-social, so I may as well accept my karma: loneliness till I die.

shameless_heifer

11-09-2005, 04:18 PM

Thudly, stop feeling sorry for yourself, what ever condition you are in you are in control of it. There are many who face worst hardship then you do and keep a smile in their hearts, you draw to you what you want.You have the power to change your circumstance. Blaming life for what you did to yourself is not a balanced comprehention. You have more to offer us and yourself then that dear.
I know there is joy in you somewhere. let it out and it will grow.
Brightest Blessing Thudly
sh

gate68

11-09-2005, 06:37 PM

Hey Thud jus trying to brighten your day.We're all social,myself i just happen to prefer my animals to most human contact.No sheep jokes.i too have survived most of my friends but luckily i'm pretty good at talking to myself.

By the way older women have more to offer once they're done knawing on the woodpile.

teepi

11-09-2005, 10:58 PM

HAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.................
*knaw* *knaw*
HAHAHAHAHAHHAaaaaaaaaaaaaa............
Ok all done knawing....looking in my pockets to see what i have to offer....ummm...empty.

mimosa

11-10-2005, 03:41 AM

It's great to be able to express yourself openly, I just wish more folks would provide a little more substance and content in their posts, I like to read stuff that moves me, y'know? Like Voided's account of the hanging for example, pretty disturbing, but it makes you think...
I was stunned by that story too, though hatred in the world does not surprise me anymore, and glad that was posted because we need to know. Being aware is part of changing the world. See, I sound so trite saying that (to myself anyway even though I mean it), I am just not talented at letting myself go in posting thoughts on a place where anyone can read them. I need trust. I agree with what you said that we need more substance and content, and I am the first one to say that I just do not post my innermost <whatever> on the internet most of the time, and the few times I have it is just ignored anyway, for the most part. I don't mean just on these boards, but anywhere. that is kind of deflating to the spirit.

My rant/rave here is that the internet is just not conducive for some people to spill whatever they need to spill. I question myself all the time, is it that I need validation? I'm selfish and self centered? (yes like most of us if we're honest) I just haven't figured out a lot of things yet, I'm retarded in the worldly way (yes). What I am looking for is an internet forum for clueless people who try to fit in but never have, and never will (any suggestions?). I don't fit into any box, I'm not an old hippie really, I'm not young, I like what I like, and I have never met any person who is even remotely as strange as I am to myself and to the people that know me best. Thankfully many of them love me as I am but I am still searching for "my people". Maybe they are aliens. (LOL) I know being unique is a good thing, but sometimes I wonder.

did this make any sense at all?

hippiewise

11-10-2005, 10:18 AM

i've really enjoyed reading all these posts and i truly believe it's good to let it all hang out. i am a free-lance writer and poet and totally believe you gotta get the anger, sadness, pain, happiness out, that's why i love to write poertry. to me poetry is like listening to the blues, gets the pain out. so anyway this is my rant for the day.

i was writing on a really cool website for over a year. it was considered a peaceful and mellow place to be. it had three different forums on it, world, poetry and music. the website is for a really cool rock/reggae group that are activists/protestors. well, things were going really great, it was like a family and then this dude comes on full of rage and anger and is totally tweeked out on heavy drugs. he starts attacking everyone on the boards,mainly this young dude that is only 15 years old. so i stood up for the young guy to this tweeker. so then the tweeker goes viciously against me. he starts threatening me, sending me threathening pm's and he would post the same thing that was totally incoherent like 4 and 5 times. he spread his poison all over the boards. so i kept e-mailing the management team that was supposed to be monitering the boards, i got no answer from them. i sent them about 6 e-mails about this guy. so anyway, i finally take a stand to this tweeker and say "we ain't gonna take this shit from you" and i believe you should be banned from the boards. well, the whole website goes nuts. it was ok that this asshole was harassing the hell out of me, but then everyone starts screaming "freedom of speech". that this guy had freedom of speech. well, i totally believe in freedom of speech, but is freedom of speech the same thing as allowing someone to shit all over you, harass you,stalk you (he even followed me onto two other websites and spread his poison). so in the long run what happened was some of the people turned on me. i used to look at this website as a loving family, but man, i found out the truth. some of the people really had some resentment towards me but had never pm'd me about it or even let me know until that time. so then finally someone from the management company comes on as sort of a mediator and writes me an e-mail that i had tried to take over. i said hey you know what if yo would have been doing your job as moderator, this wouldn't have happened. so in the long run what happened was i left the chat board very hurt and unhappy and this dude was allowed to stay there and post his incoherent bullshit. a friend recommended hipforums to me cause there are so many moderators here, and i like that. i feel like you have to have mediators on board to help work out some of the kinks and disagreements. i mean this other website preached peace and love, but was it really? i also write on the www.georgeharrison.com website and it is run so well. as soon as someone starts any shit the moderators come on and say "hey remember this is the guidelines here and if you can't abide by them, we will ban you from the boards." this is the way george harrison would have wanted it. and it works so well. there's alot more peace and love on george harrison boards than the other website i wrote on. so anyway, i feel better, i've thought and thought about what happened and i've seen my part in the disagreement, but i was just feeling scared and frustrated, i hated to give up my happy home there, but now i look back on it and i should have just left in the beginning, cause the tweeker won out after all.
hippiewise

gate68

11-10-2005, 01:28 PM

HAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.................
*knaw* *knaw*
HAHAHAHAHAHHAaaaaaaaaaaaaa............
Ok all done knawing....looking in my pockets to see what i have to offer....ummm...empty.
In all due respect i did say "older" women.

Mellow Yellow

11-10-2005, 03:51 PM

I have never met any person who is even remotely as strange as I am
...then you haven't met me yet, LOL!

...Actually, if you saw me on the street, you might think I was almost "normal", I work at a professional job, and on the surface things look status quo...I'm a good actor http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/sunglasses.gif ...

I've always valued eccentricity, and all my friends are freaks in their own right, but that's what makes it all so interesting! Damn I get tired of "cookie-cutter-people", y'know, the kind that conform to the mold, nine-to-fivers that have some pre-programmed lifestyle, live in their McMansions, mow their immaculate postage-stamp lots on Saturdays, drive their kids to soccer practice in their mini-vans, and get their news and entertainment from the rethuglican-owned networks, what happened to diversity?

I was a little turned off when I first came to this site, it seemed overwhelming and impersonal, but now it's getting interesting...I'm finally becoming more fluent in my words, a quality of mine that has been dormant for years, though I've also come to realize that I've been a little naive in sharing personal information on the Internet, gotta keep some of those cards to my chest after all...

As for hippiewise's description of the stalker, one thing that impressed me about this site was seeing a troll get banned. That's cool, there should be limits on freedom of speech when folks are disrespectful or preying on one another, that's uncivilized, there's no callin' for that kinda behavior.

I've had folks disagree with my views on here, that's great, stimulates my mind and makes me think about where I really stand. Then when I do my homework and prove to them that they're wrong and I'm right, it's all the more satisfying, http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif --just kiddin'

'Hope y'all have a good day, gotta go and get some work done, hopefully I'll catch up with Steve (and anyone else that might be interested) soon in my own little ("howdy") cyberworld thread.

Later...

teepi

11-10-2005, 10:40 PM

In all due respect i did say "older" women.

Ahhh...I'm older than my kids.....a little.

Gosh I sure did miss ya'll.

THUDLY

11-10-2005, 11:39 PM

Jesus! This is whot hoppens when I sober up and go to work for a day! I get behind.

First, Shameless heifer, do you really believe everything you read in the newspapers? No? Then why would you believe my blatherings? Surely, you've heard the term "put-ons"? How do you know I'm not doing that? Christ, if I was as depressed as I sometimes let on, I would have gone down to the river and ended it all. Nice to know you care about me, sweetie, but I'm doing all right-- remember, I have four children and five grandchildren, none of whom do drugs, smoke tobacco or drink (except my son, and he's 30). They all love me, and I them, so when I get depressed I go see them: depression lifted!

Secondly, Gate68--If Abbie Hoffman said, "Freedom of the press belongs to he who owns one," he stealed it from Mark Twain, who said it first. (STEAL THIS QUOTE!)

Older women you say! My God, son, I'm 58! Any woman older than me is menopausal, shrivelling up and has probably lost interest in bed-time things except reading and knitting.

Young women still have the juices and keep mine flowing, too. (My youngster is 39.)

I would never make a sheep joke on these tasteful forums; I already did in my novel, "A Haven From Violence," by Burl N. Corbett, available through www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com) or www.barnesandnobles.com (http://www.barnesandnobles.com). But, it was only one. The rest of the novel was a piercing, poetical and tragic rendering of the worse crisis facing rural people today. No, not hoof and mouth disease; not rabies; not bird-flu; no, it is INVADING YUPPIE SWINE FROM THE SUBURBS!

I encourage everyone who is worried about my alleged "depression" to buy a copy-- it'll cheer me right up!

Mellow Yellow

11-11-2005, 02:24 AM

In a perfect world, it would end where dishonesty begins...... God, I love that quote, words to live by! And I remember listening to her say those words, very inspiring!

Damn, Thudly, but you musta misrepresented yourself, Shameless heifer was merely expressing what I felt (what we all felt?), based on your words! Remember, no one knows you, so what does anyone have to go by but your words? You came across bitter and miserable (I seemed to have forgotten you had children and grand children, but then you never mentioned it...). Good to see you have a soul, brothah, be well, just be yourself, y'know, the real you...

...I'm younger than my kids...

gate68

11-11-2005, 02:37 AM

Thud i'm not one to quote abbie,never much cared what he had to sell.That was someone else.
sheep lie.

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 03:05 AM

Sheep lie (as on the barn floor or the pasture), but they never tell!

My neighbor dropped off a jug of home-made wine and I'm investigating it. So far, it's not poisonous, but who knows what tomorrow may bring? Only my pussycats know: eating, shitting and sleeping and tramping about my upstairs bedroom like a herd of small but noisy acrobats.

My mom has a dog that hates cats-- I should turn her loose in my house ( the dog, not my mom) whilst I'm at work, only I'm afraid she'll not only destroy the cats, but destroy my house. Actually, I wouldn't much notice any destruction-- 16 years of bachelor-hood has pretty much rendered this house nigh destruction-proof.

Cheers!

teepi

11-11-2005, 03:09 AM

the solution is obvious.

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 03:20 AM

The solution to WHAT is obvious?

But, maybe you weren't responding to me.

It's obvious to a dis-interested observer that you have a cyber-space crushie-poo for gate68.

And, BTW, will someone tell me just how in the hell one puts those icons on?

Signed, Barely-Functionable Computer Dinosaur.

teepi

11-11-2005, 03:38 AM

hahaaha
Yes, I was responding to your dilema of the cats, the wine and the mother.

Crush????....I just know a side to gate that is not so obvious. And I happen to have a thing for people who seem to have such an edge about them. I like to work on the rough edges and get down to tangled and dark.

As far as the icons...not sure what the criteria is anymore about how many posts or money you have to put up these days to get the perks.
But its all finangled through your user control panel.
After your dues are paid...by numerous posts and/or bux are laid down, you go to the user options at the top of this page and drop down to control panel then edit sig.

you can upload a pic there. To post a pic in your post you can select one that you have uploaded to your gallery.
Go through the "post reply" link right over this quick reply window then select a pic through the link on the right hand side.
I don't know if I'm to good at explaining this...
You can always go to the user support forum down a ways on the home page here.

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 03:51 AM

Jesus, Teepi! I was just joking about any crush! WHY DOES EVERYBODY TAKE EVERYTHING SO GODDAMN SERIOUS ON THESE STUPID FORUMS? Didn't you ever hear of just joshing, busting balls for amusement, just kidding around?

Whew!

Your advice went right over my balding head-- I used to put those smiley-faces on-- now I forget how. It might save me typing-- people can look at a winking smiley-face and know I'm just joking.

Me, now, I'm a conessuier (sp.) of bullshit-- I know when people are yanking my crank.

(You do secretly lust for him, do you not?)

Mellow Yellow

11-11-2005, 03:56 AM

Sheep lie (as on the barn floor or the pasture), but they never tell!
Damn, Thudly, Is that what you call self-misrepresentation of your ol' self on this here forum?...

I kinda figured you were more than some mean-ass, maybe testing the waters...

It's all good...

...Great, now I prolly pissed off Mister "Alpha Hippie"...Oh well...watch that wine, could hurt cha...

As for the icons, I'm not sure if you mean these smiley face thingies, http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif, (exsqueeze me if I insult thy intelligence) but it should be the arrow on the right next to the smiley face, gives ya a selection.

Have a nice day http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

shameless_heifer

11-11-2005, 04:08 AM

Thudly, you will find our Tipi is one of the peace keepers of the forums, she's like a little tidy angel that comes in and sweeps away 'the mess'. We are lucky to have her, we almost lost her from the forums..

Brightest Blessings Tipi, good to have you back sista.

and what Mellow said.
sh

teepi

11-11-2005, 04:10 AM

DUH..I did get way too technical on that one. I thought you meant the avatars..like my little cat painting.
use the post reply link at the bottom of the last post and they are there.the smileys.
Can't use them on this quick reply thing.

My hackles were not raised in the least at your comment about a crushie poo.
You made an observation and I responded.
Sweetie, you seem to have read way too much into my reply.

You will find it takes ALOT to upset me.
I'm surely a lover not a fighter. But when that temper comes out.....AAACCCKKK!!!
I just came back after a break over my temper getting flared up.

And now, see ...you have asked a question about me lusting after him....so now you will recieve another response......nope. I have my hands FULL of numerous wonderful people here who are in line for my affections if anything were to happen to my wonderful Larry.....and in time, you may be one of them.

teepi

11-11-2005, 04:12 AM

Hi Mary sweetheart....hahha...I am having a bit of fun with the THUD.

I am the lucky one to have you all in my life.
Love to you SISTA!!
teepi

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 04:13 AM

There's no goddamn arrow-- I kept farting around and I have to put my mouse on a smily-face above the message board and then see what happens-- maybe the whole fucking schmere will blow up-- let's see--:H . By God! the fucker worked!

Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks! WOOF! WOOF! SNARL! GROWL!

(Actually, I taught myself.)

And, the teacher says, WOOF! BARK!BARK! (scratch, scratch, scratch) WOOF!:D

shameless_heifer

11-11-2005, 04:19 AM

and the band played on :-P

teepi

11-11-2005, 04:19 AM

some of the best lessons we learn are the ones we teach ourselves.
YAY THUD!!!

shameless_heifer

11-11-2005, 04:23 AM

Have fun all, i gotta turn on.. I mean turn in. I got a garagesale I gotta do tomorrow, I'm hoping to get enough to buy a pair of pigs.
Brightest Blessings Y'all
sh

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 04:31 AM

Hey, SH and teepi-- I'm basically a good guy who has a lot of friends and makes new friends easily. Those that know me either love me or hate me-- in my experience, most of the ones that hate me either never took the time to understand me or were too hateful themselves. Don't get me wrong-- I can piss off the Pope, and perhaps that's the reason: sometimes I just like to bust balls and people are offended.

I think all of you should read my novel, "A Haven From Violence". It's available at www.amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com).

You all know AngelGodiva-- I'm an old cyber-space friend as well as a snail-mail friend. I sent her a copy of my novel--she loved it-- unfortunately, I can't give everyone a free copy-- I'm piss-poor. It's less than $20, buy it: I'll get about $4 royalties.

I truly love this forum, don't want to hurt anyone-- but, BY GOD!, don't take me so seriously.

After all, I drink considerably (though it usually doesn't affect my one-fingered typing), so when I post something outrageous, consider the cause.

Love you all!

teepi

11-11-2005, 04:36 AM

DANG SH,
wish I could come to your sale.
They are few and far between out here.

Sleep well...and best of luck with the pig bux.
teepi

teepi

11-11-2005, 04:38 AM

thud,
certainly would not bother much with you if I didn't already think you were a good one.

I see through the BS.....hahahahaha

mimosa

11-11-2005, 04:49 AM

. How many have found no matter how hard they try their still misread by folks.......
......
yep and yep

and Thudly, go herd those cats....the challenge of the ages, herding cats. the mental picture is too funny.

voided, I must say I like your sig very much "be your own fuckin hero".

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 05:23 AM

Mimosa: YOU come out and herd these cats: I can't even get those independent fur-tornados to come in when it's 10 degrees unless they feel like it. I truly believe they are from another planet or dimension.

And, teepi: Was Paul Gaughin(sp.) an influence? I hope so.

mimosa

11-11-2005, 05:32 AM

rave: I love Teepi's art, very fortunate I have some of it myself. Want more too.

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 05:47 AM

Mimosa, obviously you have been keeping secrets from me; that's not nice. Her art, what little bit I've seen of it, is entrancing.

As punishment, you have to come to my house and clean it.

Have you ever heard of the 12 Labours of Hercules when he had to clean the Aegean Stables?

He diverted a river. Are you prepared to emulate him?

I'll see you Saturday morning at 7 A.M. sharp.

mimosa

11-11-2005, 05:50 AM

"I've always valued eccentricity, and all my friends are freaks in their own right, but that's what makes it all so interesting! Damn I get tired of "cookie-cutter-people", y'know, the kind that conform to the mold, nine-to-fivers that have some pre-programmed lifestyle, live in their McMansions, mow their immaculate postage-stamp lots on Saturdays, drive their kids to soccer practice in their mini-vans, and get their news and entertainment from the rethuglican-owned networks, what happened to diversity?"

mellow yellow, very apt summary of people I am surrounded by, and may I add the ones I know are consumed by fear and loathing of ???? One is afraid that 4th of July or New Year's Eve bottlerockets will damage her new siding, one is afraid of my leashed dogs (gentle mutts) and that they will attack her children. the lawn freaks poison our lakes with their lawn chemicals and fertilizer. These people are so strange-thinking I cannot relate to them at all...thank the universe there are people somewhere who are not like that.

mimosa

11-11-2005, 05:56 AM

Thudly, Pennsylvania's too far...and I'm a terrible housekeeper, my motto: clean enough to be healthy, dirty enough to be happy (lots of pets too).

go see Teepi's auctions on ebay, but there's only one pic up now I think. good stuff.

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 06:11 AM

Gee, Mimosa, you have to be an improvement on my housekeeping!

I was not only going to feed you, give you all the beer you could drink-- I was going to let you play with my 5 kittens and TAKE THEM ALL HOME!

What more could an intellgent woman need?

THUDLY

11-11-2005, 06:13 AM

BTW, Mimosa, why are you using my avatar?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Why, thankee!

poor_old_dad

11-11-2005, 04:14 PM

BTW, Mimosa, why are you using my avatar?
Maybe it's just me, but those two do look a lot alike!!

Hello everybody..... As Woody Guthrie once said, "I ain't dead yet."

XOXOXO

Peace,
poor_old_dad

hippiewise

11-11-2005, 04:55 PM

voided 37,
thanks so much for your input and websites. this person was brought on by one of the women registered with the website. she always gets involved with abusive, drug addicts and is proud of it. he totally ruined the website as it had been and she helped him by supporting him through the whole ordeal. it turned out that he had just gotten out of prison for a drug bust and was really angry and took it out on us. what upset me was that there were no moderators to stop him. i truly believe there has to be moderators when you are dealing with people from all aspects of life and all opinions. reminded me of when i was in bootcamp in the 80's. there were 40 of us women from all over the usa. we had skin heads, KKK, ex-cons, blacks and whites and everyone fought. if it hadn't been for the drill instructors, i don't know what would have happened. we were all locked up in the same dorm and man, did we fight it out. i am a total pacifist, but when i had 5 kkk women jump me and try to beat me up, because i was friends with the black women, i fought for my life and kicked some bootie that day. i'm just saying there's times when there needs to be a mediator, moderator, whatever.
hippiewise

THUDLY

11-12-2005, 01:49 AM

Actually, Twain, I think, stealed it from Lord Chesterson-- so I've heard. Who gives a shit? The point I was trying to make, was that A.Hoffman never had an original thought in his frizzy-head. He was an useless gad-fly.

mimosa

11-12-2005, 03:28 AM

we are children of different mothers, or maybe we're Janus, two sides of a different coin, or something.

and welcome poor old dad!!

Maybe it's just me, but those two do look a lot alike!!

Hello everybody..... As Woody Guthrie once said, "I ain't dead yet."

XOXOXO

Peace,
poor_old_dad

Sus

11-12-2005, 06:53 PM

Good to see you, Poor Old Dad!!

shameless_heifer

11-12-2005, 09:11 PM

Hiya (((POD)))

Mellow Yellow

11-12-2005, 09:33 PM

One is afraid that 4th of July or New Year's Eve bottlerockets will damage her new siding, one is afraid of my leashed dogs (gentle mutts) and that they will attack her children. the lawn freaks poison our lakes with their lawn chemicals and fertilizer. These people are so strange-thinking I cannot relate to them at all...

HA, ever wonder if it's they who are the aliens? It can't be natural to live that way...

I guess it's the "American Dream" to have an immaculate lawn, yet I'm one of the fortunate ones whos lawn can't be seen from the road or the neighbors. I practice an alternative form of landscaping I call "selective weeding". The weeds that grow in my yard are cool, so I let 'em grow, and pull out the ugly ones...I don't use chemicals at all on my lawn or garden because I see chemicals as sort of a credit card on Mother Nature, sooner or later it comes time to pay the price. My father used chemicals until he passed on many years ago, and I took over. The insects and weeds had become immensely resilient, but now after all these years of passive intervention they're no problem at all...

Damn, Thudley was right, these smiles show up different today, must have something to do with your browser. Now if only I could figure out how to post my namesake pic from my gallery into this post...hmmm, here goes...

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/donovan.jpg

Cool, it worked!

Sus

11-13-2005, 12:25 AM

I call the immaculate lawns "outdoor carpeting"...kinda pisses people with those kind of lawns off when I say it, but that is what it reminds me of...(I do try to not be TOO obnoxious ;) ) I don't like indoor carpeting either...putting fabric on a floor is just asking for trouble, if ya' ask me....with pets, kids, ketchup and all...but that's just my opinion... :H

shameless_heifer

11-13-2005, 10:31 PM

I love a pretty lawn. I spend hours in my. I don't care if it have some herbs growing in it, cuz I like to use the herbs and make teas from them. Like the red clover and the dandelion and the little wild strawberrys that grow here and there. I even planted some chamomile under the oak tree so there would be a soft carpet of apple scent to rest upon.
There is mostly St. Augustine all over our property and it's beautifuly soft to walk on too. It seems to keep the house cooler in the summer months oppossed to the dirt yard that was here when we moved in 16 yrs ago. Just as long as t green it's cool with me.
sh

hippiewise

11-13-2005, 10:59 PM

i love working in my yards too and keep them looking good. i don't like the polished look, but more natural like the woods. this last summer i planted everything in 5 gallon buckets my husband brought me home from his job. i just put holes in the bottom of the buckets and then some rocks, soil and the seeds or plants. it turned out beautiful and i didn't have to dig the ground up and the bugs didn't even bother my plants, guess it was hard for them to climb the plastic buckets. i love all kinds of herbs and always have a herb garden and also make my teas from my herbs. gardening is so theraputic to me.
hippiewise

shameless_heifer

11-13-2005, 11:10 PM

I like to use containers and raised beds too hippiewise, it conserves on water and it really does keep a lot of the pest away. The weeding is practicly nil. I use a lot of big pot and tubs, in fact I have an old bathtub painted dark green in my front yard and a bathroom sink fastened to a tree by the bathtub. I was thinking of , yes a toilet, but I didn't want some drunk getting mixed up on his way home..heh heh..

Sus

11-14-2005, 12:08 AM

yeah, it is more the polished look that I am talking about (that I don't like)...the lawns that are full of pesticides so that the natural plants (dandelions,etc) can't grow. There is a lawn that is close to where I live that has all kinds of plants growing in it. It looks wild, yet has an organization about it that says that someone is taking care of it, watching over it. No pesticides there, for sure....and very nice to look at. I wouldn't mind having a yard like that...

teepi

11-14-2005, 12:44 AM

I too am turned off by anal lawns.
The ones that look like the owner would run out in the middle of the night because a dandelion seed blew in from across the road and grab that seed while their face turned every shade of red, then went down the next morning and talked to their lawyer about sueing those damn neighbors because not only do the wispy dandelion seeds blow over, their trees actually have the nerve in the fall to shed their leaves and THEY blow over also....something must be done!!!

These houses are easy to spot...they're the ones with the chem-lawn truck out front in the spring...

mimosa

11-14-2005, 12:49 AM

in my community there are people who have planted wildflower lawns, in keeping with Mother Nature, and they get reported to the authorities for having "rodent breeding grounds" it's so pathetic. We're talking prairie grasses and the like. It's a great alternative to mowing twice a week.

I love to see dandelions when they're in flower, I know they are considered a pest plant, but the greens are very healthful to eat, and I would rather have the dandelions than the poisons to kill them.

teepi

11-14-2005, 01:10 AM

right on Mimosa.

And thank you for he kind words in the other thread...

poor_old_dad

11-15-2005, 04:35 PM

right on Mimosa.Yea, what she said....

Hi voided 37, Mimosa, Sus & SH. I hate that I've been away for soooooo loooong. I've had computer, health, farm, family, and other problems. For a while I'll be borrowing computer time from one of the friends of one of my sons.

The talk about lawns reminds me of what happened when I lived in Toronto in the early 1980s. I like the natural/wildflower lawn too. I was doing that there, well trying to. Turns out they are so dandelion-phobic that your neighbors will report you to the "lawn police". The city will then come out and cut your lawn and add the fee to your hydro (combination water & electricity) bill. Don't get me wrong, over all I loved Toronto, but that one part sucked.

Peace,
poor_old_dad

zzz

11-15-2005, 06:55 PM

To voided37-- No, to be perfectly honest, I'm not all right. I'm hung-over sick, depressed as hell unless I'm drunk and generally unhappy, but... What The Hell!... at least I'm alive (I think). Living alone for the last 16 years is getting to me. (A shit load of cats doesn't qualify as company.) Hehehe ... heh!

Don't knock the company of a shitload of cats. They make far better (bed?) fellows than the abundance of consumerism-and-otherwise-fucked-up overcivilised airheads knocking about the world these days.

(And I thought it was bad in 1973, ah bless my sweet naivity .... )

I'm with Voided. I'm all for harmony, peace and against globalisation and senseless, profit-driven wars, but definitely NOT one to hold the other cheek.

Post scrotum: And I sure hope I can swear like a motherfucker here, if I feel the urge though hugs are on the menu, too.

teepi

11-15-2005, 07:28 PM

ZZZ...
haha...yes swear your heart out.
Welcome aboard.

Our cat has been holding down the mole and mice population...
bless her little soul.

hippiewise

11-15-2005, 09:37 PM

mimosa,

that is truly sad isn't it? people reporting someone for having a natural lawn, man, some people need to get a life.

shameless heifer,

i used to have a really cool toliet in my front yard when i lived in the wilds of idaho back in the 70's it was so cool, i had a ivy growing all around it and i painted it bright red, loved it. would love to have an old porceline tub outside too, hell, i'd just like to have a old time porceline tub in my bathroom, the kind that had the legs on it, they were so big and held so much water.
hippiewise

shameless_heifer

11-15-2005, 10:00 PM

Maybe I will just go ahead and put the toilet out there by the tub after all. Thank you Hippiewise for the inspiration.
sh

teepi

11-15-2005, 10:58 PM

mmmm....honey and lick all in the same sentence...

there was a story on the news recently about a man who lived on a corner lot and wanted to put up a privacy fence as his whole backyard was exposed to the traffic. The township said "nope, we have rules regarding the fence 'oh yee of little fence wisdom'...."
"you may put up a chain link but not a privacy fence."

So he put about 13 toilets all across his front yard down by the street with signs pertaining to what he thought the powers that be could do with their silly fence rules. He would everyday go out and sit on one of those toilets and wave at the passers by...I didn't get a follow up...

we have an old turquoise bathtub we drug home from the dump and will sink it next spring for a little pond.

Yes toilets full of ivy.....what a wonderful world.

shameless_heifer

11-16-2005, 12:08 AM

hahahahha.. that's funny teepi, thanks for the giggle.

Mellow Yellow

11-16-2005, 06:23 PM

The talk about lawns reminds me of what happened when I lived in Toronto in the early 1980s. I like the natural/wildflower lawn too. I was doing that there, well trying to. Turns out they are so dandelion-phobic that your neighbors will report you to the "lawn police". The city will then come out and cut your lawn and add the fee to your hydro (combination water & electricity) bill. Don't get me wrong, over all I loved Toronto, but that one part sucked.
HA! The "lawn police", LOL! And here I always thought Toronto was so hip, I guess every place has it's idiosynchracies...

I do own a lawn mower, but I don't use it much, and it's usually a serious undertaking to mow the wheat field that is my lawn, I do it so I can walk around, and sometimes my wife walks our goats for the "mowing".

But seriously, what is it about lawns anyway? I guess it's a control issue, if your lawn is impeccable, you're perceived as being in control and "orderly", but what if it's a mess of weeds like mine? I guess I'm just a "lawn anarchist". I'm not a complete anarchist though, I do a little work in "selective weeding" and "weed relocation" when I have time. The other day I took a number of globe thistles (one of my fav's BTW) and moved them out of a path to a hill side that's now plagued with a bunch of thorn bushes I keep trying to cut back. I figure if I keep cutting back the "bad weeds" and replace them with "good weeds", eventually there'll be no place for the bad weeds to grow. Speakin' of "good weeds", it sucks that I can't legally grow hemp, one of the most useful "weeds" known to man...

THUDLY

11-16-2005, 09:52 PM

I've killed at least half my front yard's grass by pissing on it. The back and 2 side yards add up to close to two acres-- I wish I could piss enough to kill the whole damn thing.

I hate mowing grass-- always did. It may look nice, but I'd rather be sitting on my front-porch swing, drinking beer and vodka, reading the newest issue of "The New Yorker", Cormac Mc Carthy or some of the Russians: Turgenev, Tolstoy or Gogol.

I wasn't put on this earth to be a mechanized sheep-- I was put here to write and admire Lisalovelight! (And Angelgodiva.)

SLOTH

11-16-2005, 10:04 PM

Hey Steve~
Take me with you guys~
I like a drink once in a while too~
LMAO~
SH like always is correct~
The vibes you put out are the vibes that you attract~
Be kind to yourself~
Gabba Gabba Hey

hippiewise

11-17-2005, 01:09 AM

mellow yellow, that's a trip that they do that in toronto, man, big brother is always watching that's fur sure.

your story of the lawn police in toronto reminds me of a seinfield episode about the library police did yu ever see that one? it was so funny, the library police dick comes to jerry seinfield's apartment to arrest him, for an overdue book from jerrys high school days. it was so funny, man, i wish we had some lawn police here where i live, we share a yard with some lazy mother fuckers who never mow their lawn, hey i like natural but when there's all kinda shit all over the lawn it really looks poor white trash and i hate that (i mean all kind of garbage) . can't wait to get our own land somewhere and not share a lawn with anyone, just let it grow natural with all kinds of wild flowers and trees and natural stuff.
hippiewise

Mellow Yellow

11-17-2005, 04:19 PM

Definitely wild about Toronto. I remember it being clean and pristine, yet I remember drooling at the pot plants growing in everyone's windows...

...I'm with you on the trash thing, I can totally dig a natural wild flower/dandelion weed lawn, but I gotta draw the line at the white trash look, that sucks, we had some neighbors who were like that, and it was unsightly, old bed frames, junk, and bags of trash on the front lawn, I was glad when they moved, the whole neighborhood was.

I can visualize the Seinfeld thing, though I never saw that episode, but I do remember the soup nazi (remember him?). Much of Seinfeld's humor is about control issues, making fun of obsessive-compulsive behavior in one form or other, good stuff...

THUDLY

11-18-2005, 06:55 AM

Sloth, you want to go drinking with the big-leaguers? Hell, you're welcome, but consider this: One beautiful May morning Wes and I stopped in at farmer Larry's house and we started on 16 oz. beer,. Then we began home-made wine. Then, still drinking beer and wine, we started doing shots of whisky. Then, still doing all three, we began swilling 120 proof moonshine right out of the jug. After about two hours of this pleasant relaxation, my buddy Wes jumped up and said. "I CAN'T DRINK LIKE THIS! JESUS! I'M HEADING HOME!"

Home, in this instance, meant 400 yards down the road to my house.

He never made it.

A neighbor, Larry's cousin, stopped and said (this was before the age of cell-phones),"Let me use your phone--there's a dead man laying in the bar-ditch!"

Wise and learned dudes like me and Larry just chuckled, knocked back a few more snorts and said, " Hell, he ain't dead, just dead-drunk."

We recovered his intoxicated body, took him home and, then, drank for five more hours.

Is THIS the kind of drinking you have in mind?

Mellow Yellow

11-18-2005, 05:05 PM

I've found lawns to correspond to the homeowners head.
Interesting theory, there, Voided, I think you're on to something, my lawn's gettin' longer...

I also think that the homeowners head has something to do with the homeowner. If it's a guy and he's got a buzz cut or the corporate dew, his lawn's gonna be short and immaculate, and he's gonna be uptight and anal about everything. If the lawn and the hair are a little longer, he's gonna be more progressive and laid back.

Pissing can be an effective form of weed control, I know it works on poison ivy...

Thudly's story reminds me of my military days, one day in particular comes to mind. We were down by this remote creek in central Georgia, drinkin' beer and smokin' mother nature, and a buddy of mine from Virginia comes down and breaks out the product of his family recipe for moonshine. It was hot as hell and humid, but it was gettin' later in the day, and the crickets were out, then the gators started stirring...I was throwing back shots like water 'cause it was so smooth, and my buddy warns me to slow down...the rest is a blur, but somehow I ended up back at the barracks with all kinds of stories trailing me for the rest of the week about the crazy shit I'd done that night. Good thing I got along well with those guys, it'd be easy to get rid of a guy in my condition back there in the swamps like that, I'm sure the gators would've been fat and happy...

hippiewise

11-18-2005, 08:41 PM

mellow yellow,
ya man i love the soup nazi, outrageous. i actually found a guy like him in a ice cream shop in ole town sacramento. the dude was a mean asshole and all the little kids were afraid of him. i always called him the ice cream nazi. love seinfield, miss krammer what's michael richards up to anyway, love that dude, he's so fuckin funny.

voided,
i agree with your lawn theory, this dude that lives on the other side of us is bald and the dude's lawn is so tight it's like an asshole. this guys so compulsive he washes the whole street down everymorning, i mean he washes the road, he has this long old hose that goes about 1/4 mile. i think he's trying to get away from his bitch of a wife, man, she's mean. she weighs about 400 pounds and knocks him around, they are a trip to watch.

thudly,
your drinkin story reminds me of my dad. he was so funny and drank way too much. anyway he used to get high with me and he came to visit me one time. he smoked so much pot and drank so much he passed out and i thought he was dead, scared the hell out of me. we carried him to bed and i listened for his breathing, next morning he was fine. i didn't know that we had been smoking angel dust from a dude i didn't know that well. man, my poor dad, he had one hell of a head ache the next morning. but it was cool getting high with him he was so funny. he'd do like a rodney dangerfield routine when he was high made us all laugh, man, i miss him.
hippiewise

mimosa

11-19-2005, 07:08 AM

Schlüßelberg

11-20-2005, 06:20 AM

i am happy i found my way to hip forums too, it's cool to talk with other hippies from the 60's and 70's and young hippies of todays generation.
hippiewiseAs am I. Seems sometimes like this is my only connection to my real self; the way I was and will be, but I'm stuck in "where I am".

I like reading what SH and others who were at ground zero time zero remember about the times...and I like chatting and sharing with a few of the younger heads on the psychedelics forums.

I think we should all get to know each other better, and maybe someday have our own little gathering.

Oh, and hippiewise: I've had occasion to do some of that peach 'shine from North Georgia...once. Even on weird shit like ketamine and "comic book dope" I at least remembered SOME of the experience. That 'shine is nothing more than instant blackout. It's the most toxic shit I've ever seen, way more so than endless rails of coke (my step-brother used to be an importer into DC around 77 & 78 or so...straight from Costa Rica...primo product...sure got rid of a hangover), and no way will I ever get anywhere near anything like that again.

Think about this: There are wannabe soldier-Rethuglicans who soak that shit up like sponges...way farther around the bend than I have ever been on acid/mesc or acid/herb/shroom combos...who have offices in DC and get called "Senator..."

The most powerful nation in the world is run by people who are drunk all of the time. It has been reported that Shrub himself is getting plowed on a daily basis.

Alcohol is the most toxic, demonic, evil, Satanic, damaging, killing industrial solvent ever.

Over 40,000 people a year die because of people imbibng that shit, and then driving.

Here's how many people die each year from over-indulging in Maria Juanita: ZERO.

Ah, I got off-track a bit. Someone find me a synthesis for ergotamine tartrate.

Mellow Yellow

11-21-2005, 02:28 AM

Alcohol is the most toxic, demonic, evil, Satanic, damaging, killing industrial solvent ever.
It's insidious as hell, why won't they allow us to grow hemp?

I'm reminded of the time I served in the military (pre-Bush, pre-Bush Sr) We could be completely fuckin' reckless, rape, violence, we were programmed to be that way (though some of us didn't out of conscience, go figure...)

Anyway, my theory is that alcohol is a means with which man can be controlled, liquor stores on every corner to keep the common man down, dumn, and happy, it's like cocaine, superficial, etc., but you can toke and become completely introspective and cool, and somehow that's a problem?...

Plus the shrooms, c'mon, they grow in the freakin' ground after all...

THUDLY

11-21-2005, 06:33 AM

I've been drunk probably 5000 times, but the only time I was scared by a drug was behind shrooms. I ate the whole fucking bag (which I was warned about) which amounted to 4 average trips worth. Anyhow, being a veteran of Owlsley purple haze, I thought I could handle it.

Wrong.

I walked in my front yard and the barn up the road became an Aztec pyramid where human sacrifices were about to occur.

O.K.-- so I go in the backyard (this is at night, in May) and all of a sudden I'm in Viking hell with ice-sicles hanging from all the tree branches.

Huuum!

So, I go in the house and my living room becomes Vincent Van Gogh's room in Arles where he died from suicide.

Not too cool, so I go to the kitchen to get a drink of water and see an old Mexican woman with her back turned to me sitting under a cactus plant in a boundless desert.

Now, I'm becoming a tad concerned, so I called my daughter to see if I was still alive. Turned out I was, but about then a great wave approached behind me and when I looked at my beagle it lay shivering at my feet looking over my shoulder at something it could see, but I couldn't. Then, I got considerably concerned.

Nah-- I'll stick with booze, thank you!

luvhuffer

11-21-2005, 11:15 AM

(A shit load of cats doesn't qualify as company.)

No you're right but they help us some times. I live with 7 cats. They seem to know when your soul needs to be petted in their mysterious own way.

Mellow Yellow

11-21-2005, 05:35 PM

Nah-- I'll stick with booze, thank you!
With a story like that, you sure can't blame a guy, LOL!

Any hullucinagin (shrooms, acid, even weed to some extent) will have the tendency to intensify any emotions or fears you have, though I like to think of it as sort of a spiritual cleansing, I used to like to clean the cobwebs out of the far reaches of my mind every now and again. But you gotta be in a good place karmically when you do it, or you may have a bad experience, plus quantity is definitely a factor as well.

I never had a bad shroom experience, but once after doing acid I had a nasty flashback, woke up to encounter a rotting corpse in the threshold of my bedroom beckoning me, it was real scary 'cause everything in my room was as it should be 'cept for that damned corpse...after a minute or two it faded, and there I was, standing by my bed in a cold sweat...

My mom has this funny story of when she tried pot with an old friend of ours back in the early 70's, said she was outside and thought she saw squirrels that weren't there. Well she brought up this story again years later in front of our friend, and he said "sure you saw squirrels, 'cause they were there", kinda funny that somehow she thought she was hallucinating when she wasn't...