View Full Version : Do You Agree Religion Impedes True Human Fellowship?
codeinecaper
10-09-2005, 06:57 PM
i do
soaringeagle
10-09-2005, 07:09 PM
absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!
just as much as governments & borders do, perhaps even more so.. religion seperates us into us & them & tries to convince "us" that "them" are bad for not being one of "us"
human fellowship requires that we recognize that all people are one..regardeless of race, nationality or religion
MamaTheLama
10-09-2005, 07:13 PM
My Goddess beat up your God :P
So, yes.
codeinecaper
10-09-2005, 07:32 PM
cool, just wanted to throw out the simplest way of saying enough of the religious bullshit. and i appreciate the input, peace
luvndrumn
10-10-2005, 02:21 AM
Not necessarily. It depends on the people involved. If you get two people together who have divergent religious philisophies but don't base their interaction on that facet or don't allow it to become a sticking point, then the possibilities are almost limitless. On the other hand, if the two (or one of them) allow the difference to become a point of contention, then both of them should just walk away.
Hikaru Zero
10-10-2005, 05:14 AM
Not necessarily. It depends on the people involved. If you get two people together who have divergent religious philisophies but don't base their interaction on that facet or don't allow it to become a sticking point, then the possibilities are almost limitless. On the other hand, if the two (or one of them) allow the difference to become a point of contention, then both of them should just walk away.
Hey, I like your sig. =)
Anyway, the only thing is ... it takes a wise man to accept that he has divergent religious beliefs and not allow that to affect his interaction, and religious is, how to say, a meal ready to eat for people who are lacking in the upper story. On a grandiose scale (rather than an individual one), religion is an impediment to fellowship and Oneness.
dangermoose
10-10-2005, 05:21 AM
Religion = higher abortion rate? U.S. researcher sees a link
2005-10-09 01:00:01 [Ideas]
Can it be true that very religious countries like the United States have higher murder, syphilis, teen pregnancy and abortion rates than countries where belief in God is much lower?
read this article in the paper today...i can only get a partial transcript though
luvndrumn
10-10-2005, 06:15 AM
Hey, I like your sig. =)Thank you. The words or the pic? I can claim credit for neither. But I forage rather well.;)
Anyway, the only thing is ... it takes a wise man to accept that he has divergent religious beliefs and not allow that to affect his interaction, and religious is, how to say, a meal ready to eat for people who are lacking in the upper story.Not in all cases, as my religious friends prove. I have some acquaintences (note: not friends - a subtle but important difference) who might have become friends if they had more acceptance and less... drive.
On a grandiose scale (rather than an individual one), religion is an impediment to fellowship and Oneness. En mass I must agree. As Ken Kesey said, "In any given situation, there will always be more dumb people than smart people."
Hikaru Zero
10-10-2005, 06:18 AM
Thank you. The words or the pic? I can claim credit for neither. But I forage rather well.
Well, both. The words are Einstein's, but good quotes are still good no matter who says them. ;)
Not in all cases, as my religious friends prove. I have some acquaintences (note: not friends - a subtle but important difference) who might have become friends if they had more acceptance and less... drive.
Aye, and while it may be true on a personal level that religion is not bad, on a worldwide scale, well ... just look at the Crusades. I haven't ever heard of a war that was fought over varying accounts of DISbelief in God. :P
MrRee
10-11-2005, 04:22 AM
i doEvery school of thought trains minds to think in certain ways. Religions are one such mind-training thought school.
Ancient schools such as those of Plato encouraged critical thought and analysis based upon self-discovery. Plato never answered a question, but rather posed questions that allowed the individual to discover for himself. Religions do the opposite, and indoctrinate their ideations into the minds of innocent searchers under threat of damnation, thereby killing free and open thought.
The greatest gift anyone can give themselves is an open mind.
Know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Bhaskar
10-12-2005, 05:03 AM
True religion IS true human fellowship.
codeinecaper
10-12-2005, 09:18 AM
True religion IS true human fellowship.
oh yes, enlighten me from your hypocritical "open-minded" sect
i think MrRee said it best:
Every school of thought trains minds to think in certain ways. Religions are one such mind-training thought school.
Ancient schools such as those of Plato encouraged critical thought and analysis based upon self-discovery. Plato never answered a question, but rather posed questions that allowed the individual to discover for himself. Religions do the opposite, and indoctrinate their ideations into the minds of innocent searchers under threat of damnation, thereby killing free and open thought.The greatest gift anyone can give themselves is an open mind.
Know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Varuna
10-12-2005, 07:50 PM
oh yes, enlighten me from your hypocritical "open-minded" sect.Let's look at this for what it actually is.
Bhaskar offers an idea, for which he is attacked by those who claim his ideas are the "real" problem that impedes "true human fellowship."
Of course, you are free to say no to Bhaskar's enlightenment (your words) if it means that much to you. But you can't blame Bhaskar for the damage that your reflexive nihilism does to the "true human fellowship" you have with him.
i think MrRee said it best:And then you quote . . .
Every school of thought trains minds to think in certain ways. Religions are one such mind-training thought school.Write all of this down and read it back to yourself in fifty years.
Ancient schools such as those of Plato encouraged critical thought and analysis based upon self-discovery. Plato never answered a question, but rather posed questions that allowed the individual to discover for himself. Yes, you are on to something with this thought.
But then . . .
Religions do the opposite, and indoctrinate their ideations into the minds of innocent searchers under threat of damnation, thereby killing free and open thought. Yes, there are unenlightened religious leaders who "indoctrinate their ideations into the minds of innocent searchers under threat of damnation, thereby killing free and open thought," but to take the worst of them as representitive of the whole and then condemn the whole human quest for the divine because you didn't like whatever YOU experienced, well, that is the thought pattern that creates prejudice and bigotry.
You may want to apply some free and open thought to that habit before you become that which you profess to dislike.
The greatest gift anyone can give themselves is an open mind.Well, it is certainly one the greatest gifts. But you would be wise to not mistake reflexive nihilism for an open mind. "Just Say No" is a rather limited philosophy.
Know the truth and the truth will set you free.Oh, the irony. Do you know who you are quoting?
Peace and Love
luvndrumn
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32[KJV])
Bhaskar
10-13-2005, 06:59 PM
lol Varuna, thanks for that most man, I love you so much!
Varuna
10-13-2005, 07:30 PM
lol Varuna, thanks for that most man, I love you so much!
Any time Bhaskar, and thank you! All love to you too!
Peace and Love
cool, just wanted to throw out the simplest way of saying enough of the religious bullshit. and i appreciate the input, peace
Oh yeah definetly get rid of the bullshit. But you can still keep the religion. I don't think that religion is inheritly bad, just people mess it all up.
SvgGrdnBeauty
10-14-2005, 07:07 AM
True religion IS true human fellowship.
:)
Its' a loaded question and can only be answered fairly according to each specific case that is being analyzed. As philosophers, we should work toward defining things better and not generalise.
Might help to separate church from religion. I can practice my religion solo. Religion has also been defined as the coming together of people of like mind and is best practiced in small groups, invariably getting messed up as it grows
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