Leave Your Guns At The Door

[shameless_heifer]

The Garden was created for people of likemindedness. For ones that are putting forth an effort to re-connect with past friends and 'family' members. It's a place where time has no place. Only the rythem of the heartbeat of an era past keeps the vibes flowing. Getting back to The Garden as we once knew it in that time of the evelution of the Spirit in Being.
We of that era gain energy from the connection with the vibitory pools that brought us together in the changing cosmic flow of the 50's-70s.
To give us a place to come and remanise, re-connect or engage in healthy discussion about events that took place in that time span is why we decided to open this forum.
Although this is a free speach website, we will not tolerate disrespecting other members/posters. All rules that are in the agreement that you agreed to follow when you signed on the Hip Forums Website applys here as well. We as Moderators regain right to delete or ban at our disscression if we feel that someone is disrespecting others or the Mods themselves, we are people too so be EZ. We are here to keep the peace and give you a safe haven to come to.
Unrelated topics aimed at disrupting the Garden will be deleted.
Lets try to be adults here and keep the Garden clean so we can all breath fresh air and have a place to relax at the table and rap.

SH

[old tiger]

Well said,Shameless;) ;)

I love your natural healing remedies..
Emiel

[shameless_heifer]

Brightest Blessings Amiel, nice to see your presents. Nature is always the kindest way, don't you think. :)
in Light and Love
sh

[THUDLY]

Shameless Heifer, to begin with, thanks for informing me about Larry Keenan's Website-- he probably has what I'm looking for. I'll e-mail him and ask.

I do keep my guns at the door: a double-barreled 12 gauge LeFevre at the front door and a 30-06 Savage bolt-action at the rear. In recent years, coyotes have moved in, eating cats, lambs, pasture-born calves and generally making a nuisance of themselves. But, they're smart, don't howl much around here, and are secretive and elusive. I see their tracks, their dung and where they tore some animal to shreds, but haven't got a shot yet. I will.

Also, 2 years ago, I caught a guy robbing my pole-building where I had tools. I think I caught the prick on his second trip across my yard. I could have shot him at 40 yards (which, at worst, would have had him digging #5 shot out of his worthless ass for a week). But, I'm 58 and have lost a lot of my vengance-- I merely shot his tailgate. He damn near wrecked escaping in his pick-up, but he sure as hell hasn't been back. The little punk got over $400 worth of my best, most-used tools.

He was a lucky man-- I was actually sober at 4 A.M., mainly because I wanted to see my favorite movie, "Jeramiah Johnson", and had set the alarm to get up and watch it. If I had been drunk, I may very well have shot him.

Yes. My guns will stay at the door(s).

[IntenseHeat]

Shameless Heifer, to begin with, thanks for informing me about Larry Keenan's Website-- he probably has what I'm looking for. I'll e-mail him and ask.

I do keep my guns at the door: a double-barreled 12 gauge LeFevre at the front door and a 30-06 Savage bolt-action at the rear. In recent years, coyotes have moved in, eating cats, lambs, pasture-born calves and generally making a nuisance of themselves. But, they're smart, don't howl much around here, and are secretive and elusive. I see their tracks, their dung and where they tore some animal to shreds, but haven't got a shot yet. I will.

Also, 2 years ago, I caught a guy robbing my pole-building where I had tools. I think I caught the prick on his second trip across my yard. I could have shot him at 40 yards (which, at worst, would have had him digging #5 shot out of his worthless ass for a week). But, I'm 58 and have lost a lot of my vengance-- I merely shot his tailgate. He damn near wrecked escaping in his pick-up, but he sure as hell hasn't been back. The little punk got over $400 worth of my best, most-used tools.

He was a lucky man-- I was actually sober at 4 A.M., mainly because I wanted to see my favorite movie, "Jeramiah Johnson", and had set the alarm to get up and watch it. If I had been drunk, I may very well have shot him.

Yes. My guns will stay at the door(s). I love it.

[IntenseHeat]

ah just dig a hole in the back yard. and the truck sold at the local junk yard or better yet scrap metal.

[shameless_heifer]

Thudly, when you email Larry, tell him Wild Horses says hello, and I'm still waiting..lol

I loved your reply.

[THUDLY]

ShamelessHeifer, I will, and I'm going to do it now, before my 39 year-old girlfriend gives me a heart-attack. Jesus! I better realize my age--58-- and start acting my age; I am, after all, the father of 4 children and grandfather to 5. Here, in PA, it was a rainy day, couldn't do my stone-work, got paid, hit the liquor store, the beer distributor, the grocery store and picked up wild Dolores. They're calling for rain all weekend, which means vodka, bed, more vodka, more bed, and maybe finally THUDLY's heart gives out and his damaged soul ascends to the light. (I hope: I told my son which portions of "The Tibetian Book of the Dead" he must read, for two weeks.)


I did it for my dad; if he does it for me, I'll be greatly surprised. Then again-- my dad needed it; I probably don't.

But, eie, yie, eie! It can't hurt! (This last was Pennsylvanian Dutch-- another language, if you will.)

"Hey, vonce! Throw the horse over the fence some hay vonce, do you hear, now?"

[THUDLY]

Aftermath, next day: We got 9" of rain within 24 hours, breaking a 4 month drought, flooding my basement two feet deep and causing my 20 year-younger girlfriend to get panicked and vodka-drunk. She hitch-hiked home in the steady down-pour, clutching her meagre bag of clothes after I informed her that I was too drunk to drive. Of course, I was draining that half-gallon, too.


Such is life in McMullen's Hollow, Geigertown, PA, in the year of our Lord,MMV.

[THUDLY]

Aftermath, two days later: two neighbors said their rain-gauges went up to 6 inches, and over-flowed. They poured out the rain, whereupon it filled-up again.


12 inches of rain in 24 hours.

Sure ended this drought.

Now, I need some lady to end my pussy drought: going on one year.

And, to think, I was once the stud of Bleecker Street. (And, Haight Street!)

Yah. They were younger days. I was young with a passion.

[gate68]

ah just dig a hole in the back yard. and the truck sold at the local junk yard or better yet scrap metal. digging is still allowed as is scrap metal though intenseheat seems to have been bannished

[dlo24844]

May iove and peace be within you and around you always.And the stars of freedom shine forever in your mind. Stay high and stay free.

[shameless_heifer]

dlo,
thank you for the blessings my friend, May the wind be at your back and the sun forever lighting your path.
Blessed Be
sh

[hippiewise]

hello shameless and thudly,
love your posts. thudly your stories of coyotes reminds me of my parents. they had built a beautiful little ranch in northen nevada back in the 70's and had coyotes like crazy. my mom used to go out and shoot at them with her shotgun. she killed a rattlesnake one time in her garden too. i love living in the mountains. my husband and i are looking for land now to get out of this shitty city of sacramento, calif. nothing like living in the natural, growing some herb and just kicking back and chillin
peace
hippiewise

[gate68]

Luckily my mom didn't kill things.

[shameless_heifer]

Hippiewise,
I know how hard it is to lose livestock to coyote. Livin' off the land brings you to places where you never expected. Like having to kill other creatures, but to me it's them or my kids or my livestock that keeps our family alive. There is plenty of food for them inthe woods that surround us, they don't have to kill our food or attack our children.
We have stock ponds that we raise our bait in and the mococines are deadly here. I have no problem shooting them at all, my grandbabies have to walk by one pond to get to my house from across the pasture.

When you live in nature you play by it's rules and sometimes that requires "killed or be killed" I guess some just have to experience it to understand how it is. I wish it wasnt like that at times but you do what you have to do to survive.
I know there are some that don't belive in killing, but when you live off the land that is part of it, I suppose you could be a veggie or whatever, but it's hard to maintain the strenght to survive the hard work that it takes on just vegetables. WE raise and butcher our own meat and what we don't raise we hunt for. We raise our fruits, berries,grapes and veggies and can them. We do what we can to suppliment our fixed income.
It's not an easy living but it's pure and it's wholesome. We live in peace and share our blessings. We harm none and we love our fellow man. We do the best we can with what we have, and we do alright. It's not for everyone but not much in life suits everyone.
sh

[gate68]

guns are not natural.When you move into anothers territory be it injuns or coyots one should be respectful of the neighborhood and not kill it's inhabitants off.

[Biida]

guns are not natural.When you move into anothers territory be it injuns or coyots one should be respectful of the neighborhood and not kill it's inhabitants off.
One should also be respectful enough to call my people by a kinder title. I am not just an injun. I am a young woman with a rich native heritage.

[gate68]

that was meant to represent the old west mentality,when the white man moved in and killed everything that got in their way.Being of mixed blood(pops is full blooded) i wouldn't want to insult my ancesters.I just hate animals being slautered needlessly.

[shameless_heifer]

We each have to follow our own paths.
I was wondering Gate if you were a vegen, or do you let someone else do your killing for you and buy your meat at the supermarket?!?
Man has killed for food since they learned how to pick up a rock and throw it. It's a matter of survival. How do you think mankind has survived all this time. On Berries and rice, you eat what's in season. Someone very wise told me one time, as I was learning survival. To watch what the animals were eating, if they were not eating for lack of food, then eat the animals and use the skins for clothing and warmth. There is only so much food (veggies)availble in the winter months. What would you feed your children, would you let them cry into the darkness of night from hunger and cold, or would you
trap a rabbit and nurish your children with it and use the skin to keep them warm.
If you were suddenly in the middle of the wilderness and had to keep your family alive what would you do to survive. Could you survive and keep your kids/gkids alive.
Think about it and be honest with yourself in your own heart.
Your intent here is clear and always has been.
sh

[gate68]

I was taught to take only what you truly need.I find coyotes take very little livestock,it's the wildcats that do most of the killing if not the stray dogs.When you kill coyotes most likely you hit the leader leaving a bunch of untrained juviniles behind.These then become the problem.They have few survival skills they turn away from they rabbits and find easier prey.Nature has a way of taking care of us all if we just let it and work with it and not against it.

[shameless_heifer]

I see no one working against nature here. I have heard no one say they hunt for 'Sport'. I can't say that I have ever seen at three AM a lead coyote or which are the teenagers, I just hear my animals screaming and try to pick off as many of the attackers as possible. Sorry if that offends you.
One year we lost 24 turkeys, two young goat and a mama goat that was kidding. That's over 1,500$. That can make or break a farmer over time. I'm not willing to let my family starve to feed coyotes.
Like I said, we each have our own paths to follow.
sh

[THUDLY]

Shamelessheifer has it right--I have a bad heart, but my cholestral is perfect from living mainly on venison and chicken. As far as coyotes, they not only kill livestock but they eat dogs and cats. They are not needed in a semi-suburban area. And, BTW, these Eastern coyotes are a far cry from their western cousins--they are way larger. Game scientists think they interbred with timber wolves as they migrated south. Another thing-- they don't howl like I've heard them in the mountains. They are intelligent, sneaky and vicious. They have a right to live, but not at my expense and not in my backyard.

[shameless_heifer]

I belive that I am closer to nature then I have ever been, it doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out that if you live in nature it would stand to reason you would be closer and more in tune with nature's nature. We eat natural, we drink natural, we work the land and harvest it's bounty, we preserve and can our foods.
It's kinda like,
We dont tug on Superman's cape,
We don't spit in the wind,
We don't pull the mask off ole Lone Ranger,
And we don't mess around with Slim.

heh heh

[THUDLY]

Why is just fine if a Native American kills a deer to eat, but horrible if a white-man does the same. Are we not all human?


For the last 30 plus years, I've apoligized to every deer (and other animal) I've killed. I say, "Mr. (or Mrs.-- no Ms. here) Deer: I killed you today and I apoligize. I need your meat to live and it will not be wasted. As surely as I have ended your time on this earth, something, someday will kill me. Thank you for your gift."

Shamelessheifer has it right-- she's connected with the earth as I am. And, something, someday, somewhere, will take both of us unmercifully.

That's life.

[gate68]

Why is just fine if a Native American kills a deer to eat, but horrible if a white-man does the same. Are we not all human?

The white man has a history of killing for sport and paranoia.The indian didn't kill the coyote,they respected life.



Shamelessheifer has it right-- she's connected with the earth as I am. And, something, someday, somewhere, will take both of us unmercifully.

That's life.
Hopefully without a gun

[THUDLY]

Go back to hippy-land. Gun, cancer, heart-disease, bird-flu, AIDS,-- what difference does it make: we are all grist for the mill which grinds exceedingly small.

[THUDLY]

I've just noticed, Gate 68, that you have done the unforgivable: put words in my posts that I never have said. I'm notifying the dude in charge.

[THUDLY]

I NEVER posted any such horseshit about "The white-man has a history--- blah, blah, fucking blah..."

This was totally made up and made to believe by Gate68 like, I wrote it.

Chastise him, I ask.

[Ranger]

gate68,

"The white man has a history of killing for sport and paranoia.The indian didn't kill the coyote,they respected life." These are your words not Thudly's yet you posted them as a quote. This is akin to speaking witb a forked tounge and along with your habit of speaking in racist generalities makes your behavor here unacceptable to me as one of the mods of this forum. Fair warning!

[gdhmomchild]

Why is just fine if a Native American kills a deer to eat, but horrible if a white-man does the same. Are we not all human?


For the last 30 plus years, I've apoligized to every deer (and other animal) I've killed. I say, "Mr. (or Mrs.-- no Ms. here) Deer: I killed you today and I apoligize. I need your meat to live and it will not be wasted. As surely as I have ended your time on this earth, something, someday will kill me. Thank you for your gift."

Shamelessheifer has it right-- she's connected with the earth as I am. And, something, someday, somewhere, will take both of us unmercifully.

That's life. Well...since so many of the predators have been killed and/or run off, deer are so prevalent as to become pests. Thats what happens when you upset the apple cart in nature though. I see nothing wrong with hunting deer for food.

edit
Voided, I like snakes but prefer them at a great length away from me, lol, but I wouldn't want to kill one for scaring the hell outta me.

[gate68]

Go back to hippy-land. Gun, cancer, heart-disease, bird-flu, AIDS,-- what difference does it make: we are all grist for the mill which grinds exceedingly small.
i thought i was in hippie-land

gate68,

"The white man has a history of killing for sport and paranoia.The indian didn't kill the coyote,they respected life." These are your words not Thudly's yet you posted them as a quote. This is akin to speaking witb a forked tounge and along with your habit of speaking in racist generalities makes your behavor here unacceptable to me as one of the mods of this forum. Fair warning!First the quote was a mistake in posting.i meant to break the post in two.i think that is quite apparent.Not a big deal .Using the term'forked tongue"is a racist act in itself,so i really can't take you seriously.peace

[shameless_heifer]

If indeed it was a "Mistake" you should have corrected it when you saw it.

Don't come in here starting no hassles Gate. We have been trying to be fair with you. If you want to contenue to post in The Garden you had better take Rangers warning seriously.
My previous dealings with you lead me to belive you just come to heckle.
sh
sh

[gate68]

If indeed it was a "Mistake" you should have corrected it when you saw it.

Don't come in here starting no hassles Gate. We have been trying to be fair with you. If you want to contenue to post in The Garden you had better take Rangers warning seriously.
My previous dealings with you lead me to belive you just come to heckle.
sh
shi take it all seriously and have corrected the post.i can't help it if you disagree with me.The name of this post was "leave your guns at the door",yet it is about killing needlessly.Is it wrong to argue anti-violence on a hippie site?Was it wrong for us to "heckle" viet namn or nixon? Did Rosa Parks(bless her soul)heckle a bus driver?Martin Luther heckled a govenor.While not trying to put myself on the same plane as these two i contend protest,not"heckling", is a hippie tradition and i stand by my right to do so.peace

[shameless_heifer]

Me and Lynn (hubby) went frog gigin' one night a few years ago. We we hittin' all the ponds in the area for Bull Frogs. We came across this swampy pond deep in the Piney Woods of East Texas. We had to cut through the brier vines with a machette to get to it. It's was very erie out there under the full moon esp with that ole' hoot owl with his accussing hooty hoots in the distance.
I stood holding the big flashlight and Lynn manned the gig. He got em' a big one with fat juicy legs and I was shinning the light on the catch, when out of nowhere several cotton mouths strated slithering across the pond and started going up the frog gig. Things got real hairy as Lynn tried to shake them off the gig. I began to look around and realized we were in the middle of a nest of them. They were everywhere, they were hanging out of the trees over our heads, they were slithering all over the ground towards us. I was terrified, Lynn looked over to me and said "Let's Bail" so we both musta jumped five feet backwards and over the briers, bc the next thing I knew we were hauling ass through the woods back up to the truck.
Lynn is a country boy and he's been trippin' through these woods all his life and he said he had never ever seen anything like what we saw at that pond. Them snakes meant to do us in. We had invaded their space and were fair game to them.
We respected them and left them to it. I can only ask the same from them. As they do not use us for food or warmth, and just kill us because we scared them is not justified either.
Posionous snakes are fine in their enviroment, but not in mine. I don't want to pick up a six foot cottonmouth and move it politly over as I walk across my yard, or my babies to come across one as they are palying on the swingset. If a person was trying to harm my babies I would kill them dead, no less for a snake or any preditorial advessary.
It's not just protecting my family either, we have a responsiblity to protect our livestock also. It cost hundreds of $ to get a vet to come out and save your 6,000$ stud, or your milk goats. And them snakes don't just have one off spring, they can produce thirty or forty babies a year. There is never just one snake there are always more. I'd rather live with the mice population then with the snake population.
My daughter found snakes in her bed before, not once but twice (shudder). They were tree snakes, they fell on the roof and crawled into the attic vents and into her upstairs room. They were not posionis, but frightening none the less.
sh

[shameless_heifer]

FYI Alert!!! I would like to clarify the sign on the door. Leave Your Guns At The Door. This was not meaning to put up your guns per se', it means to leave bad attitudes outside, to be respectful and not to start trouble. There is no need to "Bring out the guns" in a peaceful assembly. Guns, Posion Arrows, Snide remarks, picking on personalities or beliefs are " Bringing in Guns" This is what I meant.
sh

[shameless_heifer]

I live no Fantacy, I live with nature, it's all very real to me. We walk the walk here, it aint no bullshit..we eat what we catch, we use the skins, that goes for the snakeskins too. There is no violence in what we do or how we live. Hunting for food is not violence but survival. Would you denigh us our food. Would you have our children go hungry. How hip is that. It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, that's the way it is.
sh

[SLOTH]

Hey there SH,
Everytime that I read a post of yours
I become more and more taken by you,the life that you
chose and the way that you think.
Do you and Lynn live in the boon docks of Texas?
Are you origionally from there?
This sounds way way off the beaten track of a commune
hippie type life that us concrete jungle people can relate too!
Just about the only country us city slickers know would be a trip up state to the Woodstock,and even there you can find a store down the road.
Do you or Lynn do any leather things or snake skin boots?
I can't wait for your next instalment in your vivid and serene
life~
Talk to you soon,
Gabba Gabba Hey

[shameless_heifer]

Hi Carol, nice to see you,
This life is not an easy one but it most deffenatly is a better one then city life. I've had both and I choose country. Lynn has never lived in the city ever, we live three miles from where he was born on his mama's kitchen table. He has alway been a farmer and hunted/fished for his meat. I was born in Dallas and mover the SoCali when I was eight. I traveled around for a while, hitchhicking here and there. When my parents retired they moved back to Texas, but not to Dallas. They moved to.. yes, the boon docks in 72, I went to join them in 75 and have been here (mostly) ever since. I did travel back and forth to The Haight a few times, but it had lost it's magic. I found the magic again when I met Lynn in 78' and we been together ever since. I couldn't ask for a better life then the one which I lead now. We are 100 miles East of Dallas os the crow flys.

Voided, I can dig a plate of them right now.. But I think my gigin' daze are over so I'll have to eat chicken and pretend it's frog legs.
Don't get me wrong I am a veggie freek also. I LOVE LOVE LOVE fresh veggies, all of them. There isn't much I don't like as long as it is cooked well. We're having wild hog backstrap for supper tonight, chicken fried. with gravy, biscuts, fried okra and fried squwash.
We camp out quite a bit at the Lake when the weather allows, that's when we catch our fish for winter and freeze it. We have huge fish frys and everybody that was at the camp comes over and we eat the fish as we caught it, together. We fish practicaly every weekend and sometimes for a couple of weeks if the fish are biting.

Brightest Blessings everyone and have a glorious Sam Hain.
SH

[THUDLY]

To Gate68: Just how in the hell can the term "speaks with forked tongue" possibly be considered "racist"? It refers to snakes, especially the serpent that lied to Eve. Pretend I'm not here from now on.

[gate68]

To Gate68: Just how in the hell can the term "speaks with forked tongue" possibly be considered "racist"? It refers to snakes, especially the serpent that lied to Eve. Pretend I'm not here from now on.
it's as racist as anything i've ever said.
O.K. i'm closing my eyes,O.K. you're not there...now who's shooting the poor coyotes

[SLOTH]

:p

[shameless_heifer]

As the sun wakes it's sleepy eyes and the moon surrenders to it's light,
I get up with a smile thinking of our party tonight,
There is much to be done, get out of bed,
So I get up and go to the head.

Now I'm ready to begin the day,
Gotta get out trailer and load up the hay,
Set the witches and gobblins out on the porch,
Hang up the Jack-o-Lanterns and light up the torch.

The gang will be over full of tricks and treats,
Some will be dressed as ghosts wearing sheets,
The Witches will be making their Brew,
The Wizards will be doing what all Wizards do.

Frankenstine will be there with his bride,
Batman too with Robin at his side,
Your sure to see a Werewolf, a Vampire or two,
So bring some wolfbane, garlic and rue.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Leather Face there,
I'll hid all the chainsaws but still beware,
There will be a few pirates so don't bring your gold,
And when the Mummy shows up, be nice, he's old.

We'll serve a platter with eye of nute,
As Pan trots around playing his flute,
The Banshee's will screech out a song,
We'll do the Monster Mash and all sing along.

The Imps will be playing practical jokes,
Putting ice cubes with flys into your cokes,
The One-eyed Jack is bringing the homemade wine,
He got it from Jack and The Beanstalks Vine.

The Good Witch Glenda and Huckelberry Fin,
Are pitching in together and buying the gin,
Old King Cole, what a merrie ole' soul is bringing the Blackbird Pie,
If that's not enough, we gots more stuff, so c'on and give it a try.

There will be lots of thrills,
And probably some spills,
So step lightly as you go,
And don't fall down the March Hare's hole.

The Cheshire Cat will be there with a grin,
But watch him close or he'll drink all the gin,
The Haints will haunt you with their ghastly moans,
And the Skeletons will be rattling their bones.

So come one, came all, to the fest delight,
We'll dance and howl till way past midnight,
So break out a bottle of your best champain,
For tonight we celebrate Ole Sam Hain.
sh




We can paly under the moon,
With the Dish and the Spoon.

[THUDLY]

Pretty good poem, shameleszs, I'm Irish on both sides, though I'm not Pagan. I'm just Irish-drunk.


I'm 58 and feeling it-- my new girl-friend is 39 and thinks she'll live forever.

I hope she does, but cynical me doubts it.

(BTW, her clit is an inch and a half long~!)

Just thought I would share.

(Yuk!Yuk! Eat your heart out, dudes! Sometimes the old men come up lucky.)

[gate68]

Pretty good poem, shameleszs, I'm Irish on both sides, though I'm not Pagan. I'm just Irish-drunk.


I'm 58 and feeling it-- my new girl-friend is 39 and thinks she'll live forever.

I hope she does, but cynical me doubts it.

(BTW, her clit is an inch and a half long~!)

Just thought I would share.

(Yuk!Yuk! Eat your heart out, dudes! Sometimes the old men come up lucky.)Thanks for the info,i'll remember that next time i see a dead coyote.You're sooo much a better person than i.

[gate68]

i get pissed off when people shoot at or defend killing my coyotes.I can hear them right now howling.But i guess it's alright as long as we all get along and pretend we're all hippies.

[gate68]

Many of you know, that I've been voluteering for the past 6 years at the Santa Rosa Plateau Ecological Reserve, near Murrieta. This has become nothing short of a labor of love for me. So, I fully appreciate the blood, sweat and tears that goes in to those that volunteer for the SGW. Emotions definitley come into play. So.....let me give you some background. About 8 months ago, on the Reserve, we began, with Fish and Game, a mountain lion collaring program. The study was to find out the travelling patterns, habitat patterns, and anything else associated with it. By good fortune, a mother with two youngters, both male, were captured and collared. The information that was being gathered was invaluable....How long did the mom keep the youngsters around??? What were their traveling habits??? etc... Well.....this past Saturday I found out that one of the young males had been shot to death, in open land, not being a threat to anyone, or anything, and had been left to bleed to death, as it had only been wounded. This is not a rant about hunters, as I work with one of the most concientious bow hunters I know, but rather, the "posers" who think they're hunters, only to wreak havoc. Anyway...I am bummed about the loss of research, but more so, the loss of such a beautiful animal, which in Ca, is an endangered species. Ed

[gate68]

That's about it all i can do is repeat myself.peace

[gate68]

Actually there was one other issue behind my post.God forbid i ever put words in S.H.'s mouth but i thought that post directed at her was obscene and rude.I doubt if she cares for that info.peace

[shameless_heifer]

I would like to clarify a few things myself.

Lets stat with Gate. You are always coming into my forums/threads and picking a fight with me. You did it Pride's Thread on Cancer and several others. Your hit and run tactics are cowardly and uncalled for most of the time. Debate is fine, but you just attack. Not everyone lives the lifestyle you do. And I didn't hear anyone admitting that they shoot anything for "SPORT", only survival. And I doubt if we ever shot at any of 'YOUR' coyote. If your runnin' low on coyote over there, I'll be happy to ship what we have to you and then there will be no problem. And when you talk about peace, don't just say it, be it.

Thudly Dear, check yourself brother. There are forums for clit talk, but this is not one of them. Would you please remove that part of your post, I find it a bit out of place here.

Voided, you are right on. I thank you for your input.

sh

[gate68]

I would like to clarify a few things myself.

If your runnin' low on coyote over there, I'll be happy to ship what we have to you and then there will be no problem.

sha sense of humer there(LOL).
You don't know what you got til it's gone...J.M.
Growing up in Cal i've seen the changes.Be careful.
As far as the coyotes being mine,the world is mine as it is yours as it is theirs.Protect them and they will protect you.

[shameless_heifer]

Gate I understand where you are coming from and I agree to the spirit of what your saying. I don't like killing for killing sake, but like Thudly said, they are great but not in my backyard. I don't go into their territory and hunt them, I respect and apperciate them in their enviroment. The balance would be if they respected me and mine also.
It's kinda like, 'you'd have to be there' situation.
I hope Gate that we can come to some kind of understandiing, that you live in your enviroment and I live in mine and respect each others point of view. I don't want to bicker with you on something that will never change for me or my lifestyle.
Brightest Blessings.
sh

[SLOTH]

:H :sunglasse

[THUDLY]

Gee, Shamelessheifer-- O.K.! It ain't an inch and a half-- maybe an inch and one sixteenth.


(I just checked).

I apoligize. BTW: Death to all those who whimper and crawl! (And, that includes coyotes!) I think Bob Dylan said that.

[THUDLY]

Didn't I ask this question before?: WHAT THE HELL DOES "GABBA,GABBA, HEY!" mean?????


Jee-- I didn't know hippies got offended by mentions of a perfectly good body-part-- hell!, you might even have one.I sure appreciate them!

Unapoligetic, per usual-- THUDLY.

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[SLOTH]

Hey there THUDLY~
Gabba Gabba Hey is from a Ramones song~

[robspace2]

On Guns and Meat--I like meat sometimes; but I know veg'i's are much better for the digestive system;so I eat mainly chicken breast-and vegi's it's fat free-but now this bird flu may have some impact on that-I have lived about a year meat free-In 71-on a commune-I can't stand tofu or soy anything anymore-We had a soy turkey one year-talk about a let down-I have never owned a gun cuz-in the city; it can be used on you-and I have had them at my head-Back then I drank alot and drugged alot-guns and any mind altering substance is bad news-In the country-go for it-but if I had to live in fear in the city; I would move before arming myself-that's why I live way up here and not down there anymore--too many idiots with guns-killin for a dime bag-no thanks-

[water_baby]

I'm sorry I can't, I'm just too trigger happy or trigger sad.

[carpet cleaner]

I wish you were my neighbor.You're so brave.Everybody on this forum who says anything disparaging about any type of self defense are morally bankrupt like this pignation and have no self to defend. And their more examples of the type my world can do without.

[teepi]

I see behind all your ramblings...grumblings... and I know you would be a great, brave,'always there for ya' neighbor.
And there is not a gram of sarcasm in there.

Alot of this is all in fun. Some are just more sensitive than others. And yes, no one can see your facial expressions, so words are all you have here.

[carpet cleaner]

A twinkle in Hitler's eye didn't make him a better person,when his words were full of hate.Who or what are you fighting so hard against?Why the negative emotions?The world is full of love.We should love ourselves and those around us.Regardless of who we are.Love is the answer!My words on here sound harsh because one can't see the slight smile or twinkle in my eye, even though i'm serious, as i type this stuff. And i don't always use emoticons.
Your response seems to contain sarcasm although i'm not sure. Suffice to say that if you did need my help in a situation[as neighbors sometimes do]and i was aware of it i would help.[and i'm meaning any kind of help, not necessarilly anything dramatic]

[carpet cleaner]

i believe our Romanian friend above is the same one i told i'd like to lick one time.....Now i'm afraid she'd box me out....[giggles] Oh, well. 'You can't please everyone, so ya', got to please yourself'....
Ricky Nelson, America's[note capitalization and spelling]sweetheart so long ago....[R.I.P.]
Leave the licking to my girlfriend or she'll box you out.

[SLOTH]

:sunglasse :)

[teepi]

you know...sometimes this place is the most excitement I have in my life also.

[SLOTH]

OMFG ~Teepie~
Your work is so super nice~
You paint on the order of the famous Goghan~
He painted paintaings of the people of the tropics~
You are a dead ringer for his work~
I also paint in the same fashon~
Nice job~
Good Luck
Gabba Gabba Hey

[SLOTH]

Yes good buddy~
I feel the love~
Hope that you are feeling well~
My thoughts are always with you~
Gabba Gabba Hey

[river flow]

i am stuck inside because of bad weather i am board

[shameless_heifer]

hey little flower don't be bored, I'm sure you can find something to do.

[SLOTH]

:)

[tundrahopper4]

Hi Shameless, Gate and all;
Been a while. Someone was saying something about these new types of coyotes moving into some Northern areas? TRUE! I have seen a lot of the ratty little coyotes they have out West and they are pretty shabby critters in comparrisson to the Northern Coyotes that have been moving into my turf in the Frozen North in the exurbs. I saw one in town last week and this guy was a magnificent creature you could have mistaken for a small German Shepherd until you looked closer. I have not heard of any pets or livestock being taken but we are watching Katie's minature dog very closely. So why are these Northern Coyotes so much bigger than their Western and Southern cousins? Well I have been putting it to diet, but it is possible that they are part wolf. Any biologists out there care to weigh in on this?
Tundrahopper

[shameless_heifer]

I'm no biologist, but I did want to say hello Thundra, long time no see.

Diet just may be the main factor, as they rape the forests and cut all the trees for uban developement the pickens' prolly get mighty thin. As they evolve they become smaller to accmodate the food shortage. The rabbits and squirrels are becoming less and less and there's nothing to survive on. They may be breeding with smaller domestic dogs that have gone back wild as people 'drop' them off out here in the country.
OMG That reminds me.. did anyone see a while back where the Deer were stalking and eating birds and squirrels. I saw it and it really freeked me out.. I never knew that about Deer. Strange things happen..
sh

[Ranger]

I do know that wolves and dogs crossbreed on occasion and that coyotes cross with dogs also, so it seems possible you could have a coy/wolf cross.
I have seen coyotes the size of a good sized shepard near the Cal./Ore. border.

[tundrahopper4]

Shameless and Ranger;
So coy/wolves or coyshepherds are biologically possible? This guy I saw did look like both and neither. I would also surmise that these guys are moving into relatively predator free areas and are finding rich pickings. Deer eating squirrils Shameless? I guess I will take your word for it-you are there. My Arizona friends had heard stories about jaguars coming up from Mexico for decades now and everybody though it was a myth. Then the photos showed up in the Phoenix Sun a couple years back. Our daughter heard one about a coyote pack in the Sierras that supposedly would send a female in estres to lure ranch dogs into ambushes to be killed and eaten. Possible I suppose. The powers that be seem to always want to pooh pooh observations coming in from the countryside. They should not.
Tundrahopper

[gate68]

Ginger,my truck dog went ripping after a coyote the other day,she soon returned with a second one on her tail.Coyotes are smart.

And then there was the man eating squirrel.Let's not forget jackalopes and hoop snakes,the ones who live off of the snipe...

[shameless_heifer]

I knew a dude in The Haight who had a Timber Wolf and this sucker was Huge, As tall as a great dane and as thick as a bulldog. It was quiet impressive, a beautiful animal, full of grace and wisdoms untold.His eyes were so strange, like looking into another demention. I think his name was Zuse, but don't hold me to that bc it was The 60s ya know :P

Thundra, I can't swear that the film where I saw Deer Eating Squirrels( or should I say a squirrel eatin' Deer) was not edited but it looked real to me. It was caught on one of them hunters camera that you leave in the woods to track the Deer flow that pass your stand. I think I saw it on one of them programs like Ripley's Believe it or Not. It gave me a whole new outlook on 'Deer being so gental and hamless why would anybody want to shoot them syndrom'. I don't know, but I don't think we are suppose to eat other carnivors. Now what will I do with all that Deer Meat in the freezer.
Brightest Blessings
sh

[shameless_heifer]

Gatey are you taunting me.. again.. Can we even believe what we see with our own eyes. I don't know, bc when ya see a Deer tearin' into a Squirrel and chewing it up and swallowing it, Whatcha gonna think watchin' the deer stomp the squirrel and then devour it.
I never did fall for The Snipe Huntin' Game, my daddy didn't raise no fool. This was something different. Ahhh I remember, It was on with the Hogzilla Story. This dude hunted and killed this GIANT hog. It was like 20 feet long and weighed 2,000 lbs or something like that. They had pitcures, but said they buried the beast. There was an investigation by some VIPs and they dug up Hogzilla and weighed and measured him. He weighed out to 1,700lbs and was 17 feet long.
He was reported to have been a domestic hog gone back wild. They found his tracks by a Fish Hatchery and come to find out he was eating the super pumped up fish food and grew beyond the norml. The Fish Hatchery dude said he was using some sort of growth hormone in the fish food, which would account for Hogzilla's size. The reporters also commented that a domestic hog wild go back to his wild side in a matter of a few days.
They did a study after that and took a very doscile domestic pet and let it loose in a 'wild' enviroment and filmed it. They approached it for a few days and it was friendly, then after the third or fourth day it became aggressive and territorial. After three weeks it was unaproachable.
Normaly a hog can weigh in at 1,000lbs or better. We sold one that was 970 so I know they are huge to begin with. Wild hog arent as big as domestics but they are mean as hell and out for blood when you come across one in the woods. I been wild hog huntin' more than once and we have to transfer sometimes 15 wild hogs from the trap into the back of the cattle trailer.

It was on this very occation when Hubby comes in from checken the trap, His all worked up cuz there's like 15 hogs in the trap and he need a crew to help him load 'em up. All that was there is us women, 3 of us havin' coffee. We all jumped up and volentered and hub was like 'oh shit' I'm gonna hafta do all the work'. But I tell you what, we made him damn proud of us. We poked and proded them hogs till they were plum worn out and hub' would grab 'em by a leg and fling 'em in the trailer ( ain't easy flingin' a 400 lb hog mind ya, Lois Lane ain't got nuttin' on me) We got 'em all loaded and we carried them to the house for processing.
I filmed the menfolk loadin' hogs one day, but I didn't film us womens cuz I was busy pokin' and proddin'. I think the womenfolk was more agressive loadin' the hogs then the men were tho. One of the Gals was neck in neck with hub' she was a-flingin' them smaller(150/200lb) hogs right along with him. I was glad she was on our side.. heh heh.. oh btw this hapened last yr not in the 60's..
sh

[dilligaf]

hogzilla,,,, Ga. legend,,,,http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040728/040728_hogzilla_vmed.widec.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5540839/&h=400&w=298&sz=36&tbnid=qeLoi2scH482-M:&tbnh=120&tbnw=89&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhogzilla%2BGA%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2004-43,GGLD:en%26sa%3DG

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040728/040728_hogzilla_vmed.widec.jpg

one can imagine that part of the story withthe hormones is true,, least i can,,,,
was on the farm doin the govt study for use of BST or BGH in dairy cows....
natural hormone in a cow given at super doses made my humans.... we had super huge babies at times,(184# calf once).... amongst other things,,, so to me in my head would clearly make sense that animals chased out of natural habitat n food chain would be eattin what we humans put in our bodies,,, therefore gettin chemicals n other substances that would intereact with an animal own naturally produced chemicals n stuff,,, thus producing odd critters that aint what we knew ....

[gate68]

Don't really know about deer,but i do know how to taunt...

[shameless_heifer]

Thanks for postin' the pic Dilli.

Gate you are a causion.

[tundrahopper4]

Shameless;
Back in the seventies when my late friend "Mick J" and his wife were farming marijuana near the Mexican border (I guess I can talk about it now) there was a story about a guy who got chased into an alley in Nogales and ended up drawing his gun and shooting a jaguar. The guy was obviously involved in (ahem!) "less than above board ways of making a living" and ended up making a jacket out of the hide or something like that but the story was making the rounds. Then Mick J would find strange cat tracks in the desert during his stoned out Moses treks about there (I still have the arrowheads his wife sent me after he passed). Then the back country people were claiming to have seen these jaguars and there was one half wild charactor supposedly with a couple of hides on his fence. The general public pooh poohed these tales until this happened; http://www.mjhinton.com/wild/000917.htm .
So the folk tales in the underground were correct all along! Once and a while the myths are true!
haha,
Tundrahopper

[shameless_heifer]

I always try to leave open a little window for things that are a little far fetched, Tundra. I have seen things myself that bring me looks of unbelief when I have shared them. I try to keep the wierd stuff to myself to keep from being labeled a crackpot.
I have found that there is a little truth in every myth.
Brightrst Blessings
sh

[tundrahopper4]

Shameless;
Well the day left me a hardened, street wise cynic but I still do not blow off wild claims out of hand. I do demand evidence. I do have some pretty wild claims from back then myself, including meeting God by a lake in Western Wisconsin in'70. Unfortunately the only evidence I have is subjective. People do comment on what a wholly different person I am from the rest of my family of orgin however. It wasn't always so.
Arete!
Tundrahopper

[gate68]

Funny God told me he had never been to wisconson,said he wasn't needed there and besides he likes to surf.i know excuses,excuses,but he is God.

[tundrahopper4]

Gate;
There was an account of a Hell's Angel who had a similiar experience in the Hunter S. Thompson book. I mostly have not talked about it but to a few people, but I gotta say I never looked at things the same after that. Western Wisconsin? Why not? I am not sure where the divine thing has moved to in this day and age but I was looking at SunAngel's photos on the photoshare a couple years back and those Polish kids certainly seemed lit up.
haha,
Tundrahopper

[THUDLY]

Funny you mentioned it, Tundra Hopper, but I just started rereading Thompson's "Hell Angels" last night. It must be 15 years since I read it last, so it's almost like reading it for the first time except I know how it ends.

[tundrahopper4]

Thudly,
It's been about thirty years with me-good read though. How it ends is kind of typical of how all those "hipsters hanging with criminals' things turned out It does sound worth another read though-maybe next time I ride a plane. Something about being 30.000 feet in a tube always makes me uneasy and a good read does help.
Tundrahopper

[10000 lighr years]

i have so many,of this past,personified defined and permanetly shaped my
being.i need to come in,,,but i dont know how.

[SLOTH]

This is one of the nicest poems I have
read for all ages...
I like the part about The Cheshire Cat
and Come One,Come All...
Wish I could...
Hugs Carol







As the sun wakes it's sleepy eyes and the moon surrenders to it's light,
I get up with a smile thinking of our party tonight,
There is much to be done, get out of bed,
So I get up and go to the head.

Now I'm ready to begin the day,
Gotta get out trailer and load up the hay,
Set the witches and gobblins out on the porch,
Hang up the Jack-o-Lanterns and light up the torch.

The gang will be over full of tricks and treats,
Some will be dressed as ghosts wearing sheets,
The Witches will be making their Brew,
The Wizards will be doing what all Wizards do.

Frankenstine will be there with his bride,
Batman too with Robin at his side,
Your sure to see a Werewolf, a Vampire or two,
So bring some wolfbane, garlic and rue.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Leather Face there,
I'll hid all the chainsaws but still beware,
There will be a few pirates so don't bring your gold,
And when the Mummy shows up, be nice, he's old.

We'll serve a platter with eye of nute,
As Pan trots around playing his flute,
The Banshee's will screech out a song,
We'll do the Monster Mash and all sing along.

The Imps will be playing practical jokes,
Putting ice cubes with flys into your cokes,
The One-eyed Jack is bringing the homemade wine,
He got it from Jack and The Beanstalks Vine.

The Good Witch Glenda and Huckelberry Fin,
Are pitching in together and buying the gin,
Old King Cole, what a merrie ole' soul is bringing the Blackbird Pie,
If that's not enough, we gots more stuff, so c'on and give it a try.

There will be lots of thrills,
And probably some spills,
So step lightly as you go,
And don't fall down the March Hare's hole.

will be there with a grin,
But watch him close or he'll drink all the gin,
The Haints will haunt you with their ghastly moans,
And the Skeletons will be rattling their bones.

So come one, came all, to the fest delight,
We'll dance and howl till way past midnight,
So break out a bottle of your best champain,
For tonight we celebrate Ole Sam Hain.
sh




We can paly under the moon,
With the Dish and the Spoon.

[stepdaddy]

Hi all,

SH I liked your poem too. Do you -or anyone around your place- play music?

When I was reading your posts I keep getting similar pictures in my head to the ones I get when I read my girls the Little House on the Prarie books, and I always love the parts where Pa brings out the old fiddle.

peace and love

[shameless_heifer]

I used to play guitar, but had a job related accident and broke my neck and screwed up my right arm, having to have 5 surgeries that left my hand unable to pick and grin.

We are very rustic looking, but we have all the modern conviences in the house. The barn on the other hand is where everyone gathers, at the square table outside by the bbq pit under a tree. My people are outdoorsmen, hunting and fishing and farming is what keeps us alive.

When it's too cold to sit under the tree we go inside the barn where there is a woodburning stove to keep us warm while the men dress out the deer. It is our way of life. It's an honest and a good life. It's the natural way of living. We raise our animals and keep a clean place. We are simple people with simple needs. We live civilized but are just as comfortable in a tent beside a river or lake in the wilderness. We are Country and will survive.

Bright Blessings
sh

[teepi]

Hello all,

Great poem SH.
Missed you all.

Teepi

[shameless_heifer]

TEEPI!!!!! where the hell have you been. Please come back to us, I miss you, we all miss you. The board just isnt the same without you sista. I'll give ya a lolliepop if you came back.

Love You Diane
sh

[gate68]

yummmm lolipops....

[SLOTH]

Hey everyone,
How are all of you?
Been a while but I
am thinking of you always.
Hugs

[Rev Van]

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/biggrinjester.gif Make Love Not War


Peacehttp://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/newsmilies/party.gif

[while lee]

I kill a deer a or 2 in the winter not 4 fun but 4 meat I do my best 2 grow a crop and the deer get feed on it and they know what the price is 4 raiding my garden Im just a poor boy whos got a lot 2 learn got 2 eat got 2 keep my seat

[shameless_heifer]

[quote=shameless_heifer;1878730]As the sun wakes it's sleepy eyes and the moon surrenders to it's light,
I get up with a smile thinking of our party tonight,
There is much to be done, get out of bed,
So I get up and go to the head.

Now I'm ready to begin the day,
Gotta get out trailer and load up the hay,
Set the witches and gobblins out on the porch,
Hang up the Jack-o-Lanterns and light up the torch.

The gang will be over full of tricks and treats,
Some will be dressed as ghosts wearing sheets,
The Witches will be making their Brew,
The Wizards will be doing what all Wizards do.

Frankenstine will be there with his bride,
Batman too with Robin at his side,
Your sure to see a Werewolf, a Vampire or two,
So bring some wolfbane, garlic and rue.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Leather Face there,
I'll hid all the chainsaws but still beware,
There will be a few pirates so don't bring your gold,
And when the Mummy shows up, be nice, he's old.

We'll serve a platter with eye of nute,
As Pan trots around playing his flute,
The Banshee's will screech out a song,
We'll do the Monster Mash and all sing along.

The Imps will be playing practical jokes,
Putting ice cubes with flys into your cokes,
The One-eyed Jack is bringing the homemade wine,
He got it from Jack and The Beanstalks Vine.

The Good Witch Glenda and Huckelberry Fin,
Are pitching in together and buying the gin,
Old King Cole, what a merrie ole' soul is bringing the Blackbird Pie,
If that's not enough, we gots more stuff, so c'on and give it a try.

There will be lots of thrills,
And probably some spills,
So step lightly as you go,
And don't fall down the March Hare's hole.

The Cheshire Cat will be there with a grin,
But watch him close or he'll drink all the gin,
The Haints will haunt you with their ghastly moans,
And the Skeletons will be rattling their bones.

So come one, came all, to the fest delight,
We'll dance and howl till way past midnight,
So break out a bottle of your best champain,
For tonight we celebrate Ole Sam Hain.
sh


quote] I just thought I'd give this a bump bc it's Halloween.. Have fun everybody