Arggh! I've been preached to. [Archive]

GreenBird

09-30-2005, 05:26 PM

right I'll try and summarise this because it went on for a while.
So I was walking back from classes today and this young girl gave me a leaflet and asked if i believed in god, i said 'no'. So she asked what I believed and I said i believed we just die and thats the end of it, but that I've considered that we may get reincarnated. She looked at me like i was fucking crazy and said how could I not believe in god and started on about adam and eve and all that.
Anyway I told her that it's cool that she has her faith and beliefs but we're all entitled to our own opinion and she shouldn't push her beliefs on others.
Then she said 'Yeah fine but I'm scared for you!" WTF!! She said she was scared for me because I won't be saved for my sins and therfoe will not be allowed into heaven. That pissed me off so much, when people preach and try to scare you into their beliefs. I said it's not nice for her to say she's scared for me. And she said ' But I am really scared for you' .And So I told her not to worry about me and that I'll be fine and walked off.

But argh i got so angry! I'm cool with whatever you want to believe but to push it on someone else... she didn't even try and listen to my reasons for not believing in god even when i listened to her for quite a while! Arrghh annoying ! :$

SharyBobbins

09-30-2005, 05:30 PM

A proper Christian does not push their beliefs onto others, but respects their beliefs. At least that is how I am.

GreenBird

09-30-2005, 05:40 PM

A proper Christian does not push their beliefs onto others, but respects their beliefs. At least that is how I am.
That's what I thought, I even told her she should respect my beliefs just as I respect her decision to have her own beliefs. But no..she said I should pray to god and ask for forgivness of my sins.

soaringeagle

09-30-2005, 05:49 PM

ypur going to hell for not believing in the invisible man

just kidding
but yea i know what u mean, i get that all the time, the more they do that the more i just want to convince them theyre wtong

daisymae

09-30-2005, 09:27 PM

As if she's really scared for you....I'm not buying it.

BlackBillBlake

10-01-2005, 12:25 AM

Don't let these people phase you.
They're beliefs are a joke- a god of love who sends people to hell forever? It's sheer crap.
They don't respect anyone else's belief - they're brainwashed.
Just be true to yourself -

Burbot

10-01-2005, 01:58 AM

if you really don't wanna here anyhting from them...ignore them...say "no" and be on your way...but as soon as it "appears" that you have even the slightest bit of intrest in what they say, they will try and keep you there at all costs...

most "booth" poeple work that same way

m6m

10-01-2005, 07:37 AM

Arggh! I've been preached to. They have no choice!

Eternal life or death is at stake.

God has told them that ONLY by accepting Jesus Christ as our personal savior can we achieve eternal life.

Wouldn't you expect them to warn you if you were about to drive unknowingly off a killer cliff?

If they truly believed, they would certainly warn you without hesitation.

To hesitate means that their belief is less than real, and their love of you, their neighbor, less than real.

To hesitate exposes their doubt and seals their fate.

Belief is a powerful psychological tool that the Ego effectively turns to when our psyche is gripped by fear, such as in this case, Death-Fear.

Moreover, with Social Herd Primates, numbers create confidence, and anyone found NOT conforming to Herd beliefs threatens to cast doubt in the minds of others within the Social Herd.

Psychologically, they need the confidence of their beliefs, so be patient.

nitemarehippygirl

10-01-2005, 07:42 AM

i believe without hesitation that she really was scared for you.

m6m, that was a great post.

Pinecone

10-01-2005, 07:51 AM

nitemarehippygirl

10-01-2005, 07:56 AM

hahaha.... damn that happened to me in a shithouse little train station in hungary. this woman followed me around til i finally sat down with her and she lectured me, told me her story, gave me pamphlets.... at first i was actually responding and attempting real conversation but eventually i just faked total, awed belief in everything she said and she was appeased and left me.

MollyBloom

10-01-2005, 10:08 PM

To hesitate means that their belief is less than real, and their love of you, their neighbor, less than real.

To hesitate exposes their doubt and seals their fate.

Hmm I disagree. I hesitate, question and doubt my faith constantly. Doubt is not the opposite of faith. The minute the questioning ends, and you think you understand God, that's when your faith becomes faulty. A true faith is a questioning one.

Peace , God Bless,

me

hippypaul

10-01-2005, 10:18 PM

If there is a god, which I wonder about, then surly the universe is a question that we should wonder about and try to answer. It would also seem that there would be many roads to that answer. If there is not a god, then I still believe that looking for the answer is a worthwhile activity.

Sage-Phoenix

10-01-2005, 11:36 PM

Very true.
Totally agree with m6ms post too, very well put.
Helps you understand, and feel a bit sorry for them.

Generally I just humor them, I'm strong enough in my beliefs and respectful of theirs not to let it be an issue. Then we both go away feeling better for it.
Of course if they actually knew what I did and believed they really would be terrified; it violates at least five commandments, often with pyrotechnics and nudity. :)
Seriously though I figure being a good person, by whatever morality, is far more relevant than some aribitary choice of religious affiliation. I'm sure 'God' knows that too, and 'he' is apparently rather forgiving. Which is where Christianity falls apart for me, too many serious inconsistances.

It always amuses me to think; well hang on, what if there is indeed a true religion, but it's not Christianity. Boy are they gonna look silly turning up in the after life expecting heaven and it ends up being nirvana or something!

Not that I believe in 'a true religion' in any context other than there being a right one for you.

m6m

10-02-2005, 05:13 AM

I hesitate, question and doubt my faith constantly.

That's because you haven't been Born Again.

Only after you've been Born Again as a Child will your innocent heart be pure in belief of The Father.

Only Born Again Christians, like President Bush, possess the UNdoubting faith to enter The Father's Kingdon.

Christianity is an Existential Leap of Faith: Hesitate, and We fall.

MollyBloom

10-04-2005, 03:00 AM

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That's because you haven't been Born Again.

Only after you've been Born Again as a Child will your innocent heart be pure in belief of The Father.

Only Born Again Christians, like President Bush, possess the UNdoubting faith to enter The Father's Kingdon.

Christianity is an Existential Leap of Faith: Hesitate, and We fall.

Hmm,,, so you think that you cannot hold a faith unless it is one that refuses to acknowledge any other truths out in the world as valid? You don't think there is such a thing as a questioning faith?

Smurfing-Nibbles

10-04-2005, 03:51 AM

i could really care less what people believe honestly as long as they dont press it on me constantly and bother me about it. people might be really afraid for the fact that i dont believe in god but the fact that matters is that i believe ill be alright. i dont think theres heaven or hell so when people tell me im going to hell for not believing, i could really give a shit because i dont believe in it. why fear what you dont believe exists?

NikkiLou6387

10-04-2005, 05:26 PM

A proper Christian does not push their beliefs onto others, but respects their beliefs. At least that is how I am.
but thats not how a lot of christians are. i like the nice ones, like the hippie nuns who went to protest civil rights. that kind of christian is cool. but yeah i get a lot of preaching because my dad is a jehovas witness, my aunt is in a cult, and my mom is catholic. they all want me to join them. im happy being non religious and having a buddhist philosophy thank you very much.

mynameiskc

10-04-2005, 05:29 PM

well, hell, how many people on this forum alone spend all their time preaching about their opinions? this whole site is a great big pulpit. you'll live.

Sera Michele

10-04-2005, 11:18 PM

Heh... I was just sitting alone in the courtyard on my campus. (i dont have friends.) and these two girls came up to me, and said can we talk to you? Oooh, friends, I thought. but nooo.. They talked to me for like five minutes about normal stuff(building rapport) and then they tried to get me to join their club. They even said I could come just to check it out even though I'm not 'saved', just like they said to you. I just laughed when they said that... I even let them sit pray for me right there, cause they asked to. It was funny when they prayed though. The girl talking was just so exited and kept saying "oh, god I ask you to .... and god I ask you.... and in the name of your great son i ask you... and god I ask you..." and she kept going on like that for like 15 things. I don't remember exactly what she prayed for. They both had their eyes closed and i had a huge smile on my face, barely holding in laughter. Eventually they left and gave me their phone numbers. God must really be annoyed by these needy people. "Now that I am saved, God, can I have *random thing* and will you do *random thing* and will you help *random person* and will you give me *random thing* and will you bless *random thing* and will you allow *random thing* and will you watch over *random person*..."

Must be exhausting. I'd be wondering wtf I'd got myself into! No wonder he sends a bunch of us to hell! lol

m6m

10-05-2005, 10:34 AM

Hmm,,, so you think that you cannot hold a faith unless it is one that refuses to acknowledge any other truths out in the world as valid? You don't think there is such a thing as a questioning faith?

Exactly.

I don't question my faith in gravity, or my faith in my ability to walk or talk.

If I continued to question my faith, I'd spend all day just getting out the front door.

Go ahead and question, but don't call it faith untill all your questions have been answered.

GreenBird

10-05-2005, 08:20 PM

well, hell, how many people on this forum alone spend all their time preaching about their opinions? this whole site is a great big pulpit. you'll live.
Never said I wouldn't live! :confused: Just venting what happened here and hoped to get a discussion going on...

mynameiskc

10-06-2005, 03:59 PM

well, i just think people get entirely too ripped up over someone expressing a religious view. so i said so.

GreenBird

10-07-2005, 12:57 AM

well, i just think people get entirely too ripped up over someone expressing a religious view. so i said so.
It was just the way you said 'you'll live.' It sounded kind of patronizing. Anyway I was fine with her expressing her religious view this wasn't about that, it was about the fact she tried to push her view onto me and wouldn't accept that other people have different opinions. That was what annoyed me. xx

IronGoth

10-07-2005, 01:06 AM

A much shorter path to the same result:

So I was walking back from classes today and this young girl gave me a leaflet and asked if i believed in god, i said....

"F--k off."

So she continues to harass me, so this time I stop, take my jacket off and raise my fist.

"I SAID, f--k off."

Works on either gender.

mynameiskc

10-07-2005, 01:10 AM

yeah, the "fuck off" thing works pretty damned well. answering the door braless and in a thin top when the mormon boys show up on their 'missions' is highly entertaining. but the "fuck off" thing really works best when you can pull off a terribly intimidating glare.

GreenBird

10-07-2005, 01:12 AM

lol, il try that next time.:D
Seriously though I normally just tell them to leave me alone but I thought 'I'm up for a bit of a debate ,lets see what we can teach each other' You know I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. - wish I hadn't though!!

mynameiskc

10-07-2005, 01:13 AM

yeah, don't ever do that. someone always ends up with a headache.

IronGoth

10-07-2005, 01:15 AM

I'm usually in a leather jacket, boots and jeans, weigh 250 and have a goatee.

The World of Dan

10-07-2005, 03:00 PM

started on about adam and eve and all that.Heck - not even the catholic church believe in adam and eve anymore.

Silly fundy - just ignore her..

WhisperingWoods

10-07-2005, 09:28 PM

Heck - not even the catholic church believe in adam and eve anymore.

Silly fundy - just ignore her..

haha yeah.

I just don't get how people can be serious about all the stuff they say and do.

It's like they're still kids believing in santa clause and the tooth fairy.

mynameiskc

10-07-2005, 11:09 PM

I'm usually in a leather jacket, boots and jeans, weigh 250 and have a goatee.i'm 5'3" and weigh 192 pregnant. i'm also very good at looking slightly insane. what i'm wearing doesn't usually work nearly so well at running people off as the freakish look in my eyes. one of my friends called it that "fires of hell barely banked" look. i learned it from dear old mom.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon19.gif

kitty fabulous

10-10-2005, 05:32 PM

yeah, the "fuck off" thing works pretty damned well. answering the door braless and in a thin top when the mormon boys show up on their 'missions' is highly entertaining.I'm usually in a leather jacket, boots and jeans, weigh 250 and have a goatee.then in that case, iron goth, try answering the door for the mormon missionary boys wearing a bra and no top! that would be even more entertaining.:D

FreakerSoup

10-12-2005, 03:31 AM

i'm 5'3" and weigh 192 pregnant. i'm also very good at looking slightly insane. what i'm wearing doesn't usually work nearly so well at running people off as the freakish look in my eyes. one of my friends called it that "fires of hell barely banked" look. i learned it from dear old mom.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon19.gif
I wish I had a look like that. I'm tall (6'4") and gaunt (gaunt?), I can do a good frankenstein/look down my nose/freaky tall guy look, but nothing like the fires of hell barely banked.

Someday...

mynameiskc

10-12-2005, 04:15 AM

then in that case, iron goth, try answering the door for the mormon missionary boys wearing a bra and no top! that would be even more entertaining.:D
OOOOO!! that's a really good one. i bet it'd work really well.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon14.gif

mynameiskc

10-12-2005, 04:16 AM

I wish I had a look like that. I'm tall (6'4") and gaunt (gaunt?), I can do a good frankenstein/look down my nose/freaky tall guy look, but nothing like the fires of hell barely banked.

Someday...i got it from my mother. she's very good. she's only 5' tall, but she's pretty damned terrifying. like a little bitty freight train. fascinating woman.

kitty fabulous

10-12-2005, 06:14 AM

OOOOO!! that's a really good one. i bet it'd work really well.http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon14.giffun things to do with door-to-door missionaries and street preachers:

this woman i knew in buffalo used to answer the door for the mormons (one of her friends up the street would always call & warn her) with her husband's pet python draped around her shoulders, and carrying a sword.

it's always nice to pretend you don't speak english, too. although don't try speaking in spanish or french or something, becuase they might know. invent your own language, talk in that.

if you already happen to be of whatever relgion they're pressing, or a related one, try to evangelize them. my parents used to do this. so much fun to watch.

try printing up some informational pamhlets on an obscure religon. make one up. invent some scriptural quotes. when you open the door, flash a big, beatific smile, and press the literature into their hands.

alternately, hand them a sales flyer from any land-eating, local economy-killing, sweatshop-profitting, suburban-sprawling chain store, and ask them have they heard the good news about mindless consumerism today? remember, your corporate masters love you!

keep a crudely-made little doll made out of black fabric, with tufts of human hair poking out at the seams, nailed firmly to your door. they won't even bother you.

invite them in to pass the bong around.

let them get well into their speech, then lean over and lick them.

ryupower

10-20-2005, 03:02 AM

mynameiskc

10-20-2005, 03:48 PM

fun things to do with door-to-door missionaries and street preachers:

this woman i knew in buffalo used to answer the door for the mormons (one of her friends up the street would always call & warn her) with her husband's pet python draped around her shoulders, and carrying a sword.

it's always nice to pretend you don't speak english, too. although don't try speaking in spanish or french or something, becuase they might know. invent your own language, talk in that.

if you already happen to be of whatever relgion they're pressing, or a related one, try to evangelize them. my parents used to do this. so much fun to watch.

try printing up some informational pamhlets on an obscure religon. make one up. invent some scriptural quotes. when you open the door, flash a big, beatific smile, and press the literature into their hands.

alternately, hand them a sales flyer from any land-eating, local economy-killing, sweatshop-profitting, suburban-sprawling chain store, and ask them have they heard the good news about mindless consumerism today? remember, your corporate masters love you!

keep a crudely-made little doll made out of black fabric, with tufts of human hair poking out at the seams, nailed firmly to your door. they won't even bother you.

invite them in to pass the bong around.

let them get well into their speech, then lean over and lick them.
my "friend" matt got the mormons to move all his furniture twice to different houses without ever attending a meeting.

FreakerSoup

10-20-2005, 10:56 PM

She should've atleast listened to your opinions.

Her ministering isn't going to go too well if she doesn't know your reasons for not believing.

But I am happy that she was so concerned about you that she tried to minister to you... Are you happy when atheists who care about people go around telling people there is no god?http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

campbell34

10-25-2005, 12:08 PM

A proper Christian does not push their beliefs onto others, but respects their beliefs. At least that is how I am.
Well if you see a person who is in their home and their home is on fire, and they are about to be burned alive, how proper should you be. If you tell them they need to get out, and they don't want to listen to you, should you just respect their belief, and let them burn to death. Is that how a proper Christian should behave?

FreakerSoup

10-25-2005, 05:15 PM

Wow, that's so applicable in this situation!

Kharakov

10-25-2005, 11:02 PM

Well if you see a person who is in their home and their home is on fire, and they are about to be burned alive, how proper should you be. If you tell them they need to get out, and they don't want to listen to you, should you just respect their belief, and let them burn to death. Is that how a proper Christian should behave?No, you should break a 2x4 over their head and then bum rush them out a window while they try to recover. Then you need to keep on beating them until they are too weak to crawl back into the burning house. This is how a Christian should behave...

TrippinBTM

10-26-2005, 12:15 AM

^like an inquisitor?

TrippinBTM

10-26-2005, 12:22 AM

I don't question my faith in gravity, or my faith in my ability to walk or talk.
That isn't faith, those are demonstrable facts. I can ask you to prove you can walk and talk, and you can prove it. I can ask you to prove god is there (or I can ask god himself if he's there) and neither you nor he can prove it.

ryupower

11-01-2005, 03:54 AM

Are you happy when atheists who care about people go around telling people there is no god? The difference is...Christians think of eternal torture in Hell.
Many Atheists generally just like to do whatever they want to, and then be nothing more than..ahem...dust in the end.

There's no eternal consequence...I like the safe path more. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/icons/newicons/icon16.gif

Actually, I don't care if an atheist does that to me, I actually like it, because it gives me an ability to minister to them...:) :)

(and I think I'm taking that comment too seriously! Me! How did that work? :p )

Cerberus

11-01-2005, 12:27 PM

But we are extremely concerned that you will waste the only life you'll every have kissing skydaddy's buttocks.

The World of Dan

11-01-2005, 05:50 PM

But we are extremely concerned that you will waste the only life you'll every have kissing skydaddy's buttocks.What he said - actully, I don't care what you believe, or who's ass you kiss, so long as it doesn't affect me in a bad way... Just it is a waste of a perfectly good life...