The Young to Old Hippie FAQ Thread

[Southernman]

I thought, starting of a new forum could be the opportunity to structure the returning of the same questions again and again like - what clothes have I to wear - What drugs should I take - for becoming an authentically hippie by sticking this thread at the beginning of this forum and if anybody has a question, he/she can check first, if this question is allready answered here.

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[moonbeam7]

Thanks for the info I am definitely a flower child!:)

[HappyHaHaGirl]

My car is a gasoholic and, though a vegetarian for five years, I still have to have a good burger once or twice a year... :)

[~Sam~]

Excellent Thread, Southernman!!!

Sam

[ericf]

Maybe it is just me... but that article made me kind of sad...

[Willy_Wonka_27]

WOW:eek: that was one of the best articles i have ever read on hippies and the hippy movement

[kilted2000]

That article was a little sad. Although I still say you can be a Hippy today. Also when I turned 18 a few years ago I was supposed to sign up for selective service, so the Draft can still be inacted.

[ericf]

Alright,

I am not hung up on the label hippie at all. I do consider it a compliment when people call me a hippie but I don't really label myself like that. I just am me. Do I share a lot of the beliefs and behaviors of the older hippies? Yes, I do. But the word is just that to me. I use it to describe some things and people simply because we don't have a better word for it. Come on... look at how lame we are getting... X generation, Y generation... we don't have a cohesive culture among us young "hippies." We don't have our own label and I don't think we would want one. I think most younger people who call themselves hippies recognize that there are the old hippies and the new generation who carries the torch but never got their own title.

I use the word freak a lot... but that is borrowed also. Is it really that bad that we borrow terms for those things we don't have words for? Are there any older hippies who are offended when they hear young people being labeled that way? What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies. I am not being drafted (yet) and there is no chance of me being in a love-in at the local park. But that isn't what it is about to me. Being a "hippie" isn't about recreating the world of the 1960s... it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)

[sunshinedaisy11]

Alright,

I am not hung up on the label hippie at all. I do consider it a compliment when people call me a hippie but I don't really label myself like that. I just am me. Do I share a lot of the beliefs and behaviors of the older hippies? Yes, I do. But the word is just that to me. I use it to describe some things and people simply because we don't have a better word for it. Come on... look at how lame we are getting... X generation, Y generation... we don't have a cohesive culture among us young "hippies." We don't have our own label and I don't think we would want one. I think most younger people who call themselves hippies recognize that there are the old hippies and the new generation who carries the torch but never got their own title.

I use the word freak a lot... but that is borrowed also. Is it really that bad that we borrow terms for those things we don't have words for? Are there any older hippies who are offended when they hear young people being labeled that way? What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies. I am not being drafted (yet) and there is no chance of me being in a love-in at the local park. But that isn't what it is about to me. Being a "hippie" isn't about recreating the world of the 1960s... it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)
right on man

[luvndrumn]

Alright,

What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?
Brothers and sisters.:)

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies.
Not really. There is an unpopular war. There is pollution. There is massive corporate greed. The rich still get richer while the poor still get poorer. There are people still dealing with an unlevel playing field. There are people who's minds are made up and don't want to be confused with the facts. As long as there is cable TV and gas, life is good.


I am not being drafted
Oh, I hope you don't. I hope that we get our own "regime change" this November. I'd guess that many of my generation know some guy (and even some gal) that went to the 'Nam and didn't come back whole. And not too many came back uneffected. You'll find a few of them (the vets) on this board. I was lucky. I was 1-A, number 8, when Tricky Dickie cut the draft. I am indebted to one of the pariahs of my generation! Ain't that the shit!:rolleyes:


it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)
A whole lot of sense, brother.:cool:

[gate68]

Thought I'd read this for a laugh,but I'm not laughing.It turned out to be quite well written and basically hit it on the nose.There is a lot of truth in how liberalism is no longer liberal.I was starting to think i was alone in my thought.I have never been a hippie.I grew my hair out of support of the hippies.I grew up with kent state and didn't believe it was right.Figured I'd cut it when the change came.Well it's still growing...

[Syntax]

Great article.

[MattInVegas]

I thought, starting of a new forum could be the opportunity to structure the returning of the same questions again and again like - what clothes have I to wear - What drugs should I take - for becoming an authentically hippie by sticking this thread at the beginning of this forum and if anybody has a question, he/she can check first, if this question is allready answered here.



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Thank You. Those ARE the most asked.

Kids, it ISN'T about the Clothes, or Music, or even if you DO or DON'T do Drugs. It's about reality. HOW can we ever achieve World Peace if we fight among ourselves? If we let all the plants die so we no longer have oxygen to breathe? If our food supply dies WE do too!

[voodoochile]

ya man, cool read

[traveler3339]

the road less traveled is the path of peace.http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/544/18953160758_s.gif

[canadian_boy]

This is so right but i believe there is still true young hippies in the world ...
I like a lot this website if you have others like this one , please send 'em to me please ....

[PeaceLuvinHippieTaz]

The article was a great history lesson. But I believe that there are "hippies" today. Not just the ones that lived in the 60's. There are young hippies, middle-aged hippies and older hippies. My definition is kind-like people who believe in love and peace, are anti-war, anti-violence, anti-commercialism, that don't feel material goods are the way to happiness but inner peace and a love and connection with mother earth, that help the less fortunate and love all mankind. People who have found an inner peace and higher consciousness within themselves.
Hippy is just a word, but it help define this magical, loving group of people who haven't fallen into the social land of greed and me, me , me!

[MattInVegas]

the road less traveled is the path of peace.http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/544/18953160758_s.gif
It's also the roughest going. But the TREASURE is worth it! We all need to walk this path.

[kassy_420]

Being so young and being born in this generation with all the war and so many different conflicts that could most definitely be avoided, I wish so much I was around in the 60's and 70's to be an activist. Nowadays, there aren't enough of us around that will actually stand up for what we believe in like it used to be. I wasn't there of course, but I read all these awesome stories on sites like this that make me have such a great respect for you "older hippies" haha.


If you want to be free, be free because there are a million things to be...
--Cat Stevens (ha)

[newo]

An excellent article, though I wish it had made more mention of Ken Kesey. His acid tests did a lot to jumpstart the hippie movement.

[Green]

Why do people oppose men growing long hair? My father used to have long hair, then he decided to "grow up" and cut it. He then went to collage, and after got a job for the governmet. I know it used to be a big thing, but why did it go away?

[Jazz]

Agree that Kesey's influence was minamalized. It was good introductory piece on hippies. I learned some interesting new things, specifically abouth the life of Leary.

As the shadow of Vietnam is cast over Iraq one can only wonder how long before the draft is once again enacted. I have no faith be it Republican or Democrat. We must do it ourselves if it is going to be done at all.

[sunflowerdreams]

hi! i just have a quick question...hope im posting in the right place :)anyways my question:
a while ago i came accrosed a websight that said (female) hippies wore both mascara and glitter.....however that just dosent make sence and i only found it in the one place...can anyone shed light on this?(possibly the websight was confusing gypsys and hippies?)

well personally im hopeing for the glitter (although it dosent seem right)...lol its about the only non-hippie thing i wear:p

[shameless_heifer]

Hippie's often wore makeup, as they painted their faces and decorated themselves in dayglo paint, glitter and other forms of body art.
I wore mascara because my eyelashes were so blonde they looked odd to me. I was told by a dude that he didn't like makeup, so I told him that was cool with me and that I didn't require him to wear any, but if he wanted to, by all means do so, who was I to tell him he couldn't, or him me. I choose not to wear mascara now because my lashes hit my glasses and leave black specks on them which interfers with my vision. Also it's so fricken HOT in Texas that it melts down your face here and ends up all over your self.
We all have a little vainity in us, we all want to look 'good' and that's ok. That's what makes us Human. It's ok to be Human too as that is what we are here on this plane.
So, Live, Love and be happy, what ever turns you on, as long as it harms none.
Being a hippie is FREEDOM from the hangups that bring you spiritualy down. If you want to wear paint on your body, go for it. It's the FREEDOM of choice that was/is the message.
There was really no set 'uniform' to be hippie. I saw some in longtail coats and top hats. I've seen them in fullblown ball gowns with tiarras, painted to the hilt.
It was FUN, it was panamine, role playing.
We used glitter all over our bodies, there were plenty that just wore paint and nothing else. It was FREEDOM of experssion. It wasnt a hangup, it was fun and sent a message of, ' Yes We Can' .
Makeup is harmless and some body art is fantasticly beautiful. I have my grand children painted every chance I get. They love it. It's fun and it harms none, so why not.
It's what makes you feel good inside. If a little mascara makes you feel more comfortable then wear it. It's your choice. If someone else doesn't like it, then they don't have to wear it. That's their choice too.
If someone 'dictates' what you can wear and not wear to be concidered a hippie, then isnt that Their hangup and not yours and how hip is that anyway, to tell someone how to dress. How free is that.

[teepi]

I loved when I lived at Earth Peoples Park and just wore a loin cloth...and of course flowers in my hair.
When I wasn't there I too wore make-up...sometimes taking eyeliner and making a long swirl from the corner of my eyes down to my chin. With dots running through it.

"Freeky deeky" thats my motto...well one of them anyway...

Psychotic reations prevail...

[robspace2]

Hi Folks-Iam new to this site and really still trying to figure it out-Unfortunately' most people my age (56);were not raised with computers' as I inch along here I would like to say that people are people with or without a label--I grew up in San Francisco and got out of high school the same year as the Summer Of Love-Good Timing!-My friends and I were in the Haight Ashbury from 1965 on-We were there to pick up some weed and check out all the beatniks-WOW! Who are these people?Little by little the population grew ;more cool stores moved in and the people and were all very friendly and smiling as you walked by.This was the best time to actually be in the Haight Ashbury-The music at the Avalon and Fillmore was fantastic and cheap!-For three bucks you could expect to here three bands play damned near all night!-The Dead' Quicksilver and Big Brother were the cities house bands-they played constantly'alot of times for free--At that time acid was everywhere' legal and powerful-Watching the buildings melt was like a hobby lol!-Unfortunately it all had to end sooner or later' after the Summer of Love it got overcrowded and way too popular-For those couple years though the Haight was a very safe' friendly' musical and magical place to be-P.S. My only regrets are that I threw away all the free posters that were givin out at the Avalon and Fillmore-Who would ever think they would someday be worth $$-O'Well-I'm just happy to be alive and well and consider myself a very lucky person and would'nt have missed THAT PARTY for anything-it was also a good education tool about living and loving-Bye Now -Robspace2

[luvndrumn]

Hiya, rob! Well to the asylum. Be sure not to 'cheek' your meds. Really pisses off Nurse Ratchet.

Had a friend (he's walking another distance road now) who had a stack of Avalon, Fillmore, and Family Dog posters that was about eight inches thick. Half were Mouse, half were Kelly. He actually met Kelly who autographed a number of them, saying that if Mike ever got the chance to bring the others and he (Kelly) would finish autographing them. Very nice guy. Can you imagine what those posters were worth? Dayum! And all in pristine condition. Have no idea what happened to them.

Anyway, have fun wandering the forums.

[robspace2]

Hi there LOVINDRUMM-Yes I am a rookie poster here-Not all that great of typer either-So' tell me is there a chatroom here just for us old school party animals? I wouldn't want to really go back there but I did have alot of fun in those daze..I used to live in Salem Ore. right up the block from where they filmed Cuckos Nest-That place is still there and running as a mental hospital but it is so old' that the state may tear it down--I 'd like to talk top people (survivers)of the Avalon and Fillmore--Ya know ;in all my nights spent w/ the Wizard Of Ozz at the Avalon' it was always a safe secure enviroment to do whatever-no violence or fights ever!-There was never big problems at those places. We could all tell that The Dream Was Over; at Altamont Speedway-All that free music' Stones Airplane The Dead; and it turned to tragedy. For me that was the day the music died. But on a happy note; I'm sure we all learned alot about life and the whole idea behind loving and sharing;my eyes were wide open and at the age of 18 I was around older (hippies' beatniks) and found another way to live-ie.without violence-so-thats it for now-your friend Robspace2

[luvndrumn]

Rob, this forum is the place for oldsters, but it isn't an exlusive club. The youngins breech the walls. Wouldn't want to keep them out anyway. Who they gonna listen to, Fauxnews? ~shudder~

This place is a shadow of its former self. Lots have left. Other are content to just lurk. When I joined a couple of years ago, the vibe was different, calmer, less antagonistic. Then it got harsher. Like I said, a lot left. Glad you are here. Share those bleary experiences and maybe the lurkers will come out of the shadows and post again. Happy trails.

[robspace2]

DRUMM--Your time zone is where?-looks like Europe. Am I right? Maybe more old school hippies would come on in if there was a chat room for older people-I entered the chat room and there were alot of young people in there; which is cool; but right now' I'd like to touch bases with any of the folks from the Avaon 1966 and 7-I have alot of funny stories from those daze and as I quit using drugs and alcohol (finally);my memory banks are working overtime. I really thought I did alot of brain damage in those days; but;I think I still have a couple cells to work with thank God. And so now alot of the stuff I did back then is comin back-It was all stored on my mental hard drive for all these years.Fancy that-So-One night about 3 am-I was hitchin home from the Fillmore and a busload of hippies stop and give me a ride-Well; A few miles and a few tokes later' I find myself headin up north with these people. They invited me to their commune in Sonoma Co.-Wheelers Ranch-where I stayed for all 1971-beautiful summertime and the livin was easy. Anyone out there want to help fill in the blanks; feel free to dive right in-To all the young hippies ;it's yer turn-lol-Bye now Robspace2

[luvndrumn]

Not quite. A few time zones west of Europe - eastern seaboard, to be precise.

Man, I have no stories. When the Haight was happening, I was ensconced in a rural farming community, twenty miles from what was the largest town around, which isn't to say that anything was happening there. I learned of Woodstock a month after it happened and really didn't come to know what it was all about until the movie came out. Didn't meet my first freak until 1970 when a new family came to town. Then, whoa Nellie, did the kid sprout some hairy wings. The rest, as they say, is... uhm, is.... uh... ... ... ... ... ... ... what was I talking about?

[robspace2]

I did grow up just outside the city then right into the middle of San Francisco and even though the drugs 'sex and rock and roll was everywhere in the city' it was centered in the Haight. You being from the farm is great-Ya know; I have never spent a whole day at a running farm and would really be out of my element if I was. I know all about the city but nothing about the county; as far as farming' ranching etc. I really don't think the city is a good place to grow up-To many ways too go bad-SO-as soon as the Haight Ashbury party ended in 67'; my friends and I pretty much stayed away from it-It started getting dangerous and bad things started happening-Little by little it' changed; which had to happen anyway-Too many people showed up at the party and too many came empty handed-no money' clothes or shelter. The Diggers fed anyone who needed food-and it was just time to head out of town. My partner and I took our guitars and flute and split to Europe-where we stayed for a year-and thats a whole nother story-The good energy (vibes) and vibes had all but disappered. The main drugs of choice in the beginning were Owsley acid-Mexican ragweed-60$ apound and maybe alittle Red Mountain wine-Then the ugly drugs started comin to town and the smiles and laughter was replaced with gloom and paranoia--Long live the good people of the Haight-you know who you are -and long may you run-Robspace2

[VillageSam]

Hi Eric, this is a 55yr. female young hippie . Your post made perfect sense my friend. You have the ideals and compassion for your fellow man and mother earth. You share the thougnts and concerns of the old hippie movement. You are definitely a hippie at heart. Hang in there Eric, stay true to your beliefs. Remember that LIFE IS LOVE. Maybe your generation can succeed in finishing what we all tried to start. 'BAN THE BOMB' GIVE PEACE A CHANCE MAKE LOVE NOT WAR PEACE 'WHAT IF THEY HAD A WAR AND NOBODY CAME?' Peace and love to you.

[luvndrumn]

Man, we need some diggers now, Rob.

From here. (http://www.diggers.org/diggers/digbread.html)
Digger Bread
(Made With Love)

Digger Bread was immediately recognizable for the shape of the one- and two-pound coffee cans that the Diggers used to bake it. I interviewed Walt Reynolds who introduced baking to the Diggers. (Some day, I hope to transcribe that interview and put it here.) Walt told me the story of Grey, the Mad Baker, a metaphor of the sixties. The guy flipped out with his day job in a suburban mall bakery, and one morning the police found him naked, throwing dollar bills and flour into the air by his mixing bowls. He only wanted to make bread, but the business angle was too much to handle. He called Walt and told him to take away the equipment. Walt had come to the Haight and hooked up with the All Saints Church group of Diggers. He used the church kitchen to teach the Diggers how to bake whole wheat bread. Fifteen years later, when I was doing non-violence trainings, we got a hold of the church for one of our sessions in preparation for occupying the Livermore Labs. I went into the kitchen and there were those beautiful ovens that the Diggers had used.

Walt told me that the Diggers were responsible for the advent of whole wheat into the hippie/counterculture. This is a remarkable assertion. I would like to know more about this hypothesis. If anyone has done any research along these lines, "sign in please." The book Appetite for Change: how the counterculture took on the food industry, by Warren J. Belasco, certainly attributes an important role to the Diggers. However, I don't know if anyone has specifically shown that digger bread was the first instance of using whole wheat bread (and actually proselytizing for it as demonstrated in the following leaflet).

This leaflet was two-sided, 8-1/2" by 11". I found it in my collection after Ramon Sender sent me an email message requesting any information about recipes for digger bread. I had remembered seeing at least this leaflet (and perhaps others) so went searching. This leaflet was in one of my un-cataloged folders, with a date that indicated when I acquired it but not where. One of these days, I must ask IR to see that collection I put together and left behind so precipitously when I moved out of the commune. Until then, I have to use the xerox copies that are fading after twenty years.

Enjoy this leaflet, which is just as current today as 25 years ago. If someone was interested in setting up a Free Bakery, here are the instructions. The only things you'd need to change would be the wholesalers who aren't around anymore (Oh's only closed in the past few years, I live two blocks from Mission Street.)

Most inspiring quote from this leaflet:

Please take this recipe home and start making bread. The only stipulation is that you always give it away.(emphasis mine)

Free Bread

This is the recipe for the bread that is made in coffee cans at the Free Bakery. The Bakery is at All Saints Episcopal Church, 1350 Waller, on Tuesdays and Fridays from 9 a.m. on. For information or to make donations, call Mary McClain, 362-6374, or Father Harris at the Church, 621-1862. Contributions can be mailed to Father Harris at 1350 Waller.

We get our flour in 100-lb sacks from several sources. The first we try is Whitman's Salvage, 1350 Egbert, Hunter's Point. They sell flour from damaged sacks, very cheaply. Then, if they don't have the whole-wheat flour we use, we go to two wholesale places: Fisher's Flouring Mills, 1566 Carroll, and Coast-Dakota, 1588 Carroll (two blocks from Whitman's). Another place that sells flour in 100-lb sacks, but retail, and open on Saturday's, is Oh's (California Direct Importing Co.), 2651 Mission at 23rd. Finally, many whole grains and special mixes are available at the Food Mill, 3033 MacArthur, Oakland (near Fruitvale). Some grains can be found at health food stores such as Far Fetched Foods (1915 Page, SF) and Sunset Health Foods (9th Avenue, SF). We also use quantities of dry milk, brown sugar, honey, molasses, margarine, jam, and tea. These things can be bought cheaply at Whitman's, Big Bonus (Howard St. near 7th or Potrero Hill)), or Co-op on Third St. near Paul Ave.

We bake in 2-lb coffee cans and sometimes 1-lb cans. This recipe makes one loaf in the 2-lb can and two in the 1-lb cans.

WET MIXTURE:

2-1/2 cups warm water (not over 85 degrees - it it's too hot it will kill the yeast, which can survive at freezing but not at high temperatures)
1 cake or package of yeast (this is still enough if recipe is doubled, tripled)
1 tablespoon flour 1 tablespoon sugar, honey, molasses (more may be added, or some of each - we like to use molasses because it's so rich in minerals and vitamins)
This can be mixed in your 1-lb coffee can - 2 cups water fills it to the middle line.

Let the wet mix stand while preparing the dry ingredients.

DRY MIXTURE:

1 level 1-lb coffee can whole-wheat flour, or 4 cups
2 teaspoons salt, or to taste
1/4 to 1/2 cup dry milk

MIXING THE TWO: In a large bowl mix the wet mixture into the dry mixture. Let the dough stand in the bowl until it rises by half, about two hours. The bowl should be put in a warm place, such as over the pilot light on top of your stove, and it should be covered. Again, too much heat will kill the yeast, but at about 80 degrees it is at peak activity.

THEN KNEAD (see below), drop into a greased coffee can - the 2-lb can takes 2-1/2 lbs dough, the 1-lb can about 1-1/4 lbs - after shaping the dough into a ball making sure no flour is on the surface. Let rise again until it's just getting to the top of the can, about 45 min.

BAKE at 390 degrees for the 1-lb can, 55 minutes; or 400 degrees for the 2-lb can for 60 minutes. Oven should be preheated.

KNEADING AND GLUTEN: This is what bread is all about. Yeast is not necessary for bread (macrobiotic and many other kinds of bread, especially Middle Eastern and Indian, do not contain yeast) but kneading, which causes gluten to develop, is. Gluten is a protein substance contained in the grain and released by milling and increased by kneading. It is elastic (same root as glue) and makes the fibers of dough able to stretch without breaking; these stretched fibers make little pockets to hold in bubbles of gas formed by the action of the yeast, and thus the bread rises. If yeast is not used, you still notice that kneading changes the character of the dough, makes it "breadlike" and not crumbly.

HOW TO KNEAD: Turn out the dough after it has risen two hours in the bowl onto a floured surface. Work it with the heels of your hands, pushing and stretching it. Keep just enough flour on the board and your hands to prevent sticking. Push at it until it begins to push back - in other words until it has developed gluten and gets elastic. Keep on until it doesn't stick any more, looks shiny, stretches without breaking when you pull it apart, holds the indentation made when you poke your finger in, instead of closing up on it. Caution: several of these tests can be passed by dough that has had too much flour added. Keep the dough soft, adding only enough flour to prevent sticking. But it may take another 3/4 cup of flour in the kneading, depending on the kind of flour you used, etc. The whole thing should take 10 to 15 minutes.

NOTE ON FLOUR: The freshest flour makes the best bread. Besides tasting best, it has more gluten. You can mill the grain yourself if you have an electric coffee grinder. It comes out slightly coarse, with all the wheat germ in it (commercial flour has the oily wheat germ removed because it can go rancid if it is stored for a long time) and needs very little kneading because of the high gluten content.

Whole wheat flour will make a loaf of bread without any additions. Coarsely-ground flours, such as stone ground, can be used for all the flour in a loaf but unless they are very fresh they don't develop quite as much gluten and so are often mixed with a fine-ground wheat flour. Rye flour hardly has any gluten at all, so must be mixed in order to rise. White flour, or bleached whole-wheat, is not allowed for Free Bread.

We generally put in one or two of several additions: wheat germ, soy flour (high in protein), various kinds of meals. You can experiment, starting out with perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 by weight of germ, other flours, meals. And then there are raisins, other kinds of fruit, honey, and so on.

Milk: If you use regular milk, scald it first (bring it to a boil) to kill bacteria, then cool to lukewarm (so it won't kill the yeast). Be sure to change it to a wet ingredient and adjust proportions accordingly.

Please take this recipe home and start making bread. The only stipulation is that you always give it away.

If you wish to start your own bakery, here is the recipe for twelve loaves. At the Bakery we mix up about ten or twelve of these batches during the day, keeping two ovens going with loads of twelve loaves coming out every half hour.

WET MIX:

6 quarts water (80 degrees)
1/5 pound yeast
1/2 cup flour
1/2 cup sugar

Molasses, if you have it, is added to wet mix.

Alternative for at least 5 batches: Mix 1 pound yeast with 10 quarts water, 1 cup flour, 1 cup sugar. Take 2 quarts of this yeast water for every batch, adding 4 quarts lukewarm water.

DRY MIX:

15 lbs flour (5 2-lb coffee cans or 3 Co-op 5-lb sacks)
1 lb sugar (3-1/2 cups)
1 lb dry milk (3 cups)
6 heaping T salt

Substitute other flours, meals here. Brown sugar works fine. Wheat germ too. 2 cans of substitutions for the flour is about right.

Let rise in the mixing container (we use plastic garbage pails) for two hours (same as for small recipe), then get in 5 or 6 friends to help knead. We use a scale to weigh the finished balls of dough (2-1/2 or 1-1/4 lbs) to be dropped in the cans. Rising and baking times the same as for small recipe.

[robspace2]

Good post Drumm-When I lived at Wheeler Ranch; we ate lots of that bread-seemed there was always someone baking it up.The man Ramone in the story was one of the good people who put Morningstar and Wheeler Ranch together-one of the first settlers and artists to move from The Haight to the country-Him Bill Wheeler' Lou Gotlieb and a few others made open land a reality-get some wood' build a "house" and enjoy the fresh air' country livin and all your newfound friends. Great escape from the city-fer sher!-I am so glad there was a place to go; to get out of the city' a great alternative. So-Drumm-Have you been to SF ever;' if so when and how was it? Robspace2

[luvndrumn]

No, rob, I haven't been further west than San Antonio since I came back from being born in Alaska back when it was a lowly territory.

[robspace2]

You might want to consider takin a tour of San Francisco sometime-It really is a beautiful place as far as big cities go--If you do come out west; rent a car or drive out and head down 101-through Big Surr-great camping-right on the ocean cliffs-bring a camera!--I live 10 miles from Portland Ore. and it is also a big city with a small town feel-and very green-I just found the Green Peace isp-if you sign up; they plant a tree in your name and send you a certificate to hang on the wall-I think because a big percentage of their money goes to ecology projects; it would be a real good way to access the net. why keep givin the big isp's and Bill Gates all our money?-Greenpeace scares our government; just because they want to save our natural resources rather then exploit them -You being from beautiful' Alaska know what this all could become if not stopped-We could be turning Alaska into another South American rainforest disaster-All the young and old folks should get involved to stop this destruction before it's too late. When I was a kid we could safely swim in the lakes and rivers-not now-not even the beautiful Colombia River right here is safe to swim in anymore.This has too stop-Electric vehicles should be made cheap and available to everyone-the combustion engine has ruined the air-anyway-Hope you make it out here some day-it really is a very beautiful part of the world (so far)--by now Robspace2

[VillageSam]

Hey Rob, so nice to hear someone else that lived thru the whole movement era. We always had lots of hippies come up to Toronto from haight /Ashbury, as you know we all travelled aound back then. When life was safer. Thanks so much for sharing your memories with all of us here. I sure enjoyed them...it was great read. It sparked of more memories for me. I had forgotten about the Diggers.They were mostly draft dodgers who shared so much with all of us young hippies. If anyone was ever on a bad trip, they could definitely depend on the Diggers to bring them out of it. Such awesome people they were. If any of you ever read this..........Thanks so much Diggers from all the young hippies you helped in Yorkville Village in toronto Canada in the sixties. http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[robspace2]

Thanks Sam-I really am amazed at times to think I would still be around this long-When Jimi' Janis' and Morrison all passed; I just knew I was next!-Life is a strange and funny' wonderful thing.Lots of surprises. Losing Chet Helms was sad;as I had a whole lotta fun at his Avalon Ballroom parties.No pressure and he made people feel relaxed and right at home. And that's hard to do with total strangers in the middle of a big city. Between him and Bill Graham; San Francisco rocked it's ass off in 66'and 7-The list of bands those guys brought in is a long one-Pink Floyds first US tour started at the Fillmore-same with John Mayall' Cream' Yardbirds'Led Zepplin and many more-The people and the music at that time were the best thing about the whole scene. People grooved together and shared stuff-a community-it was nice-of course there were bad things at times; but not many-I fell off a cable car on acid one night-goin up Powell-wow-that was very dangerous/funny-!-sittin in the middle of the tracks watching buildings and windows melt-lol-I was very close to heading up there to Canada; but I got a shrink who kept me here-best 50.00$ I ever spent! And when America came together to tell the White House to stop the war-they had to listen-and that is probably what it will take again-it really is Deja Vu all over again-bye now Robspace2

[luvndrumn]

Deja vu all over again - it's strange (or not so much so) that you say that, rob. It's the name of a new John Fogerty tune. I enjoyed the grace of seeing him live recently. What power he still possesses! If you get a chance to see him, jump.

DEJA VU (ALL OVER AGAIN)

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again

John Fogerty
©2004 Cody River Music / ASCAP

[Meagain]

Hey Luv,
Isn't that new Fogerty CD great?! Got it a while ago, missed him when he came through here this time as we had seen him before and Dylan and W.Nelson came by so we spent the money on them instead.

I like "Honey Do"

[luvndrumn]

Hey bro. Haven't heard the CD; saw him in concert and he played Deja Vu (All Over Again). He introduced it by saying he plays it for families. There was many a nodding head and a swipe at the eyes. There were also a few that left muttering under their breaths. ~sigh~ I guess there will always be some that just will not tolerate a dissenting voice, no matter what it's saying. Baa baa baa. Perhaps he should have sung "Long As I Can See The Light" for them.

[robspace2]

Hey Drumn-I did get that line from the song-that was 'nt by accident-Fogerty gets all the credit for that-I saw him a few months back on Austin City Limits-he sounded great-before that; the last time I saw him was with Credence Clearwater at the Fillmore-67 or so-he has really held his voice and looks together -must be livin right! That song has a powerful message and kinda reminds me of the song For What It's Worth-see ya-Rob

[Digger168]

I dig,....

Therefore, I am.

If you find yourselves able, to hang a lable on me.
Hang it high.

But,... just be baby.

Read
Create
Cooperate
Love

Throw yourselves on the mercy of wisdom.

You are ALL beautiful!

[VillageSam]

Hi Kassy, I wish you had been thru that era too. It was so totally awesome to see all these young teenagers come together and try to fight the establishment,(peacefully of course) I think part of the problem is that in todays society, there is too much lip service going on(all talk no action). Thanks so much for the respect and for the smile on that you have put upon this "older Hippies" face. Much love and peace to you sweetie!!!

[VillageSam]

brilliant Southernman!!!!

[Conspriacy99X]

In 1818 when I was just a little tad . No j/k

[JerryWobbles]

Hippies Lived thru the 1960s , 1970s, Now what us young folks are , Well i guess the best word for me to use would be "Kidz" I love that term anyways....We all have hippie tendencies, Hippie mindsets , Some might even use the word "Headdy" hahaha which is really great too :) But all in all ......We are right now Who we are I am Derek, Who are you?

[Dudley Do Right]

Alright,

I am not hung up on the label hippie at all. I do consider it a compliment when people call me a hippie but I don't really label myself like that. I just am me. Do I share a lot of the beliefs and behaviors of the older hippies? Yes, I do. But the word is just that to me. I use it to describe some things and people simply because we don't have a better word for it. Come on... look at how lame we are getting... X generation, Y generation... we don't have a cohesive culture among us young "hippies." We don't have our own label and I don't think we would want one. I think most younger people who call themselves hippies recognize that there are the old hippies and the new generation who carries the torch but never got their own title.

I use the word freak a lot... but that is borrowed also. Is it really that bad that we borrow terms for those things we don't have words for? Are there any older hippies who are offended when they hear young people being labeled that way? What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies. I am not being drafted (yet) and there is no chance of me being in a love-in at the local park. But that isn't what it is about to me. Being a "hippie" isn't about recreating the world of the 1960s... it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)

Well said, If anybody gets a chance to see "Naked Lunch," by

William Burroughs, do so over and over again.

[Dudley Do Right]

On Being A Hippie

First let me clear up a few misconceptions about what a Hippie is. Long hair does not make a Hippie. There are plenty of long haired rednecks out there. Clothes don't make a Hippie and the use of drugs definitely doesn't make you a Hippie. Being a Hippie had nothing to do with being rebellious. Native Americans would say it's "Tafunka" (a way of life). It's a matter of respect. Respect for others and their rights to be who they are. Respect for the Earth and all that dwell on it. Mostly it's a respect for yourself. Allowing yourself to be who you are. Search the inner you, deep inside your heart, the answers are there if you just listen. You'll be suprised at what you might find. There are two paths in life the right one and the wrong one, it's up to you to chose. Peace, DDR

"I'm not cynical - just experienced."

[OxyBabe]

so....i'm writing a paper in my college writing class. "How and Why has drug usage changed from the 1960's to now?" Your article helped a little, but the entire drug section was about Leary. I wanted to know about over all every day use. From all that I've researched drugs then weren't as negative an influence as you made them out to be. I don't know. Thank you though. Good article, I might have to quote it. :-D

Jenna

[luvhuffer]

This was a nice thread. It seems there are a lot of young folks here who would like to define themselves as hippies. There was an aspect of the entire movement that not too many people touch on. During the hippie era there was a breakdown in relationships within ones age group. It didn't matter how old you were. The 16 year olds could hang with the 30 year olds and be accepted for themselves. Everybody was into the same ideas for change. Unfortunately it seems to have reverted to the 50's style. Today a 30 year old hanging with 16 years olds is considered some kind of pedophile.

Sorry I wasn't around sooner to help you with your report OxyBabe. I could have told you some crazy stories.

[silent]

I have a question...
Ok...my parents were a bit young in the sixties so they cant anwer my questions... and if they did it would feel a bit wierd.
i would like to know how the hippies that consumed drugs feel now at an older age.
long term damage from the ones who can realy talk, not the poor lab rats that are experimented on.
the thing is i'm 23 and i've done my share of "things" since i was about 16. sometimes i think it's time to stop doing a lot of the things i do. pot doesnt concerne me that much. but what advice can you "old hippies" give me on drug use. what should i do or not do? for how long and how often did you use and what did you use? how do you feel now, health wise?
i take my health very seriously and plan on living a long healthy life. i'm vegan, semi organic, and take care of myself... i guess the only thing that isn't so good for me are the drugs...
i don't know were i'm going with this... but you guys understand
so... what's the deal?

[THUDLY]

I don't like pot because it slows me up. I quit using speed because it made me too fast. I like booze, cause it's just right.


Stay away from shrooms, LSD and hallucigenians unless you are prepared to enter a completely strange but valid reality. These ARE NOT drugs to idly use. Read philosophy, Carlos Casteneda, then dive in--- these are drugs, yes, but also keys to doors you may regret you opened. The beings on the other side are rarely amused.

[silent]

done shrooms

done lsd
i've crossed to that side
i've had good trips and bad ones
mostly good... but i know how intense it could be
i dont even want to talk about my first acid trip... well i tell you this, i saw ambulances and medics knocking on my windshield telling me i was dying, and to open the door so they could help me... now i laugh about it but at the moment i was terrified

[Schlüßelberg]

Well, I personally have a fondness for the psychedelics, but I'm experienced, and have had a few harrowing trips, so I know what to expect, what my limits are, and when NOT to partake of the sacraments. I haven't had any long-term damage that I'm aware of; my cognitive skills still function just fine, except for some minor memory problems that are a part of aging. I'm well on my way to learning a second language (German) so that should tell ya something. I only like pot occasionally, and I only use alcohol moderately, as it is more toxic than almost anything else.

So, that's my POV.

[luvhuffer]

I have done everything from smoking banana peels (what can I say, I had to find out for myself LOL) to shooting heroin (which is the worst fucking drug. You shoot up, you puke, then you go to sleep. WTF?) I think I have tried every drug out there, at least once. Smoked Pot, hash, keif. hash oil, angel dust, MDA. Dropped acid, mescaline, beneys dexeys, Seconal Nembutal. Ate peyote, shrooms. Shot meth, crank, Demerol, dilaudid, Valium, Peruvian and Bolivian coke (they come from different plants. Not many people know that), Persian Mexican and china white junk. That's a pretty fucked up list, but despite that I never ripped off or stole or committed crimes behind any of that.

Pot is on the same level as martinis. It's OK. Although the post high lethargy keeps you from getting stuff done if you have responsibilities. The rest of them are crap. If I had it all to do over and I knew what I know now, I would do pot and psylocybin. I love sillypsybin. Never had a bad experience unlike acid. That's it.

As far as advising you I would say the long term health risks outweigh the benefits, if there are any. But ultimately it's your decision to make. If you do want to use, then don't bow to peer pressure to force you to do something you're not sure about. Like all choices in life it's best to make informed decisions. Don't believe media campaigns or government propaganda. It's usually bullshit. Read legit medical info. It's mostly right on, but there are exceptions, as in bad science. I'm 56. I've been clean for about 7 years. I have cirrhosis of the liver from HepC, but the HepC is in remission and the liver is healing. I'm one of the lucky ones. Bottom line is you can enjoy life without the drugs. I didn't have sex without being high till I was in my 40's. It was just as sweet. LOL

love like you've never been hurt,
and dance like you do when nobody's watching

[tundrahopper4]

Hi,
Alchohol kicked my young ass and continued to be a problem into middle age. Of the A-Z drugging I did back in the day? Well I guess I could recommend Far Eastern Hashish as worthy of my time. The rest was pretty "hit and miss...."
Tundrahopper4

[Primordial_Matrix]

~I love that faq article on the history of the hippies! Great job in research and writing.~

I was a hippie chick, and a part of me still is, and will always be....

I lived in Monterey, California during my elementary school & highschool years, and at about the age of 14, tripping on some paper acid (LSD) my friends and I decided to sneak (we had to lie to our parents to get out of the house) and go to the now famous Monterey Pop Festival to watch Jimmy Hendrix, Mommas & The Poppas, etc.--(what a trip man!)

At the age of 15, my best girlfriend and I decide to run away from home, and guess where we ended up? In San Francisco, and of course, we went directly to Height & Ashbury looking for others like us, run-away under age hippie chicks! Our parents found us and we were back home within a week.

In high school I was part of the radically cool crowd because we were hippies/idealitst/artsy/strange--I remember one day when the local college kids showed up on my high school campus recruiting kids to come join the Anti-War Demonstration that was going on that day. Me and a bunch of friends cut school and went with them all in their VolksWagon Vans, and we all joined in the demonstration march against the VietNam War--walking down main street and holding up our fists shouting: "Hell NO! We Won't Go! We won't Fight your Fascist War!"<<or something to that effect.

At the age of 17 I ran away from home again, this time with a little help from my friends, where basically I went "underground"--living with various other hippies, college students, radicals, etc., and moving from one communal situation into another. From Marin County to San Francisco, to Berkeley, to Santa Cruz, etc.--there was always lots of sex and free drugs, and even a little exploitation going on from time to time by opportunistic types (users/wannabees) who liked to take advantage of this whole runaway hippie chick phenomenon. Oh, there were other runaway chicks like me, quite a few in fact, they came from all over the country, and even some from Europe, no shit.

Eventually I settled down in Santa Cruz, California where I met and started living with what would turn out to be my first husband and the father of my 2 oldest daughters.---I worked as a distributor for the "free paper" which was a local underground UCSC student paper. I also worked in the bulk food store, where I helped fill the huge bulk foods bins with granola, bulgar, wheat flour, carob chunks, etc.--We lived in various communal Victorian houses which were common in Santa Cruz at that time. Most of them where populated with UCSC students, and some true hippies, heads, freaks, but also activists and radicals. I particularly liked the quick education in political awareness I gleaned from the activists and radicals that I oftentimes encountered and befriended. My then husband became a martial artist, and eventually we owned our own martial arts studio, and of course we all lived in the back of the studio, which was completely illegal zoning wise. The marriage was short lived and we were divorced less than 4 years later.

I was extremely idealistic then, I believed that LSD is all anybody really needed to realize the true nature of reality, god, life, etc.- and I really believed that love and peace would eventually rule the world, but I also believed that something needed to be done to get things rolling. Something radical. I believed in action. I first became a social activist back then (I also enrolled in college about that same time) and I became involved with various causes over the course of many years for which I have never regretted having been involved in...
and blah, blah, blah, and it goes on and on the story of my life, but that was mainly the hippie years...

Just sharing. Trippy, eh?

Later-:-)

[Schlüßelberg]

Great bio, Primordial. I'm getting radicalized again, myself. And thinking subversive thoughts like coaxing Owsley out of retirement and making some HUGE batches...

[Primordial_Matrix]

Great bio, Primordial. I'm getting radicalized again, myself. And thinking subversive thoughts like coaxing Owsley out of retirement and making some HUGE batches...Hmmm? Batches, eh? As in a' la Leary enlightenment? If so, cool, if its pure. The last trip I took was in L.A. in 1990. Even then, the quality of the acid was not quite up to par with that of my "hippie years"-- My husband told me that when he was living in Germany(just about 3 years ago) that in nearby Amsterdam you could buy shrooms in the special coffee shops, the same ones where you could buy weed, completely legal. If only that was the could be the case here. A place to go buy acid, even a safe place to trip, that sort of thing. Ah, if only we didn't live in such a fearful controlling society here in America. Ah, well... but you know, I believe in shamanic journey. My trips have always been exploitative/spiritually oriented in nature. I can't see using acid or shrooms for recreation. I have always held to the Leary theory that acid opens up the mind to the soul to the truth, etc.--very threatening stuff to the status quo, and particularly to the government. Too bad. I still believe that LSD would change the world to a more positive place, if it was distributed and given under the guidance of LSD centers like those that Leary had wanted to establish.

[Schlüßelberg]

Hmmm? Batches, eh? As in a' la Leary enlightenment? If so, cool, if its pure. The last trip I took was in L.A. in 1990. Even then, the quality of the acid was not quite up to par with that of my "hippie years"-- My husband told me that when he was living in Germany(just about 3 years ago) that in nearby Amsterdam you could buy shrooms in the special coffee shops, the same ones where you could buy weed, completely legal. If only that was the could be the case here. A place to go buy acid, even a safe place to trip, that sort of thing. Ah, if only we didn't live in such a fearful controlling society here in America. Ah, well... but you know, I believe in shamanic journey. My trips have always been exploitative/spiritually oriented in nature. I can't see using acid or shrooms for recreation. I have always held to the Leary theory that acid opens up the mind to the soul to the truth, etc.--very threatening stuff to the status quo, and particularly to the government. Too bad. I still believe that LSD would change the world to a more positive place, if it was distributed and given under the guidance of LSD centers like those that Leary had wanted to establish.
Yeah, I spent 5 weeks in Deutschland August-Sept. 2003, and weed was pretty easy to find in berlin and Munich. About Amsterdam...technically, mushrooms and herb are still technically illegal, it's just that the powers that be have other things to do than harass heads.

I'm not really into using the major sacraments for recreation, but I am certainly for using them for the more Dionysian forms of worship (think ecstatic dancing like the Sufis or at the old Dead concerts). I'm at the point now where I'd like to use them to begin preparing for my death (Andrew Weil was on NPR last week talking about his new book, wherein he discusses that subject). That, IMO, is the ultimate "shamanic" journey (quotation marks because maybe that's not the right word).

I most definitely believe that LSD has the potential to improve the world, as you do, and I would love to see either Entheogenic Temples (so to speak) or so much in the world that nobody could profit from it, in realistic doses (rather than the weak, almost non-existent concentrations that have been the norm in the past 20 years or so (which was Pickard's MAJOR error, IMO)).

I'm guessing that we see pretty much eye-to-eye on this.:H

Tranquility, S.

[Southernman]

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/279intro_winter98_H.gif

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/LearyBurstAnim.gif

Leary's Homepage in the Wayback machine (http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.leary.com)

[Primordial_Matrix]

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/279intro_winter98_H.gif

http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/LearyBurstAnim.gif

Leary's Homepage in the Wayback machine (http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.leary.com)


Thanks for the link to the Wayback machine! That is so cool.
About the nature of consiousness? That is something that to me has pretty much been answered through the concepts available within M-Theory (formally known as Super-String Theory)--There is this one very cool, and very approachable, theoretical physicist who has written quite a lot on this: http://www.fredalanwolf.com/
Now, how do psycholdelic drugs fit into this? That is the question. All I know it that LSD pulls away the curtain of illusion, the illusion known as the physical world...and it somehow peels back the barriors (found within physical "perceptions") that keep us from realizing our true power and ability to control our own reality, or any reality for that matter. We live in a world, a universe of thought. Pure conciousness is the true nature of all reality.

I have had some very tangible experiences in my life, starting in childhood, (long before I ever took any hallucenagenics) that showed me without a doubt that all I had been taught (up to that point) by the traditional teachers, scientists, religions, and my parents concerning what is--was not. There was more, so much more, and I have spent much of my life dealing with this, and always open to new possibilities. To me, M-Theory opens up a whole world of explanation for what I have always experienced yet had no explanation. It would be interesting if research into this whole LSD, the chemistry of our brains, the nature of concieousness, etc. could be done, but that will never happen, not anytime soon, and not in the mainstream. LSD is a threat to the status quo powers that be....research into that whole field is much too threatening.

Can you imagine the implications and consequences of what could be found? Why the whole structure of most organized religions, and their political connections and foundations of many societies would just fall apart from it all---What would the Christian extremist right wingers do if they were confronted with the truth of what God might just be really about? Whata ya mean God doesn't sit on a throne (dressed in white robes) judging us all?" "Whata ya mean God isn't Jesus, or for that matter, the Muslim fundamemtalist's realizing that God isn't Allah and he doesn't have any fucking virigins waiting in paradise for anybody?"
Or, our government, not being able to say "God is on our side! We are a God fearing Christian nation!"<<<what would any of that mean anymore? Where would the power to control be left? How could any government or group with a political agenda tie all their bullshit into God again?
Yeah, way too threatening stuff to ever get into.

[Southernman]

Interesting thoughts. Stephen Hawkins (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/home.html) fan? Never had any religous-like experiences in the old days. I go with Albert Hofmann (http://www.psychedelic-library.org/child.htm) that that, what happens in the brain is a gigantic short-circuit of the synaptic transmitter substances and if you want religous-like experiences, you get religous-like experiences. All the gods out there only drug-based visions? I like this idea. BTW, welcome here. Fine, that you found this little corner in the www.

[Primordial_Matrix]

Nah, I'm not a Stephen Hawkins fan at all--far from it! I'm more of a 'sort of fan' of all the many books put out by Dr Fred Alan Wolf, and other theoretical physicists out there who have a lot to say on this subject of consciousness-via the M-theory. For me, the implications I have found within M-theory, has brought a possible explanation to much of what I have experienced most of my life as the so called 'paranormal/mystical"--all quite real realms, in the world of thought (consciousness) that is. Since childhood I have always instinctively known that what has been often times labeled as supernatural was not so...that in fact it was all natural...just in a different dimension. M-theory physics gets very much into the concept of parallel universes. In the past, I have been involved in research projects as a subject, regarding the personality of experience prone beings such as myself, by Dr. ken Ring/The Omega Project. But, that whole area (psychological research) is still considered to be far out there outside the realm of real physical science, more like a new age la la land by the cynics, but when you get into physics /quantum /super-string /matrix theory/and of course now M-theory-and the theoretical physicists involved are far from being considered out there. Yet, most traditional scientists and layman cynics know very little about it.

Dr Fred Wolf,
http://fredalanwolf.blogspot.com/

http://www.fredalanwolf.com/

and

Dr M Kaku,
http://www.mkaku.org/

[DerBaron_Hobskewward]

Nah, I'm not a Stephen Hawkins fan at all--far from it! I'm more of a 'sort of fan' of all the many books put out by Dr Fred Alan Wolf, and other theoretical physicists out there who have a lot to say on this subject of consciousness-via the M-theory. For me, the implications I have found within M-theory, has brought a possible explanation to much of what I have experienced most of my life as the so called 'paranormal/mystical"--all quite real realms, in the world of thought (consciousness) that is. Since childhood I have always instinctively known that what has been often times labeled as supernatural was not so...that in fact it was all natural...just in a different dimension. M-theory physics gets very much into the concept of parallel universes. In the past, I have been involved in research projects as a subject, regarding the personality of experience prone beings such as myself, by Dr. ken Ring/The Omega Project. But, that whole area (psychological research) is still considered to be far out there outside the realm of real physical science, more like a new age la la land by the cynics, but when you get into physics /quantum /super-string /matrix theory/and of course now M-theory-and the theoretical physicists involved are far from being considered out there. Yet, most traditional scientists and layman cynics know very little about it.

Dr Fred Wolf,
http://fredalanwolf.blogspot.com/

http://www.fredalanwolf.com/

and

Dr M Kaku,
http://www.mkaku.org/


;-)
I found these links that may be helpful to those curious about what m theory is and how it evolved:


http://www.wwnorton.com/catalog/fall03/005858.htm

Or Google search:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:H5tnFozdtIkJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory_(simplified_explanation)+M-theory+(simplified)&hl=en

[Southernman]

Wow, a lot of stuff to read, but I know the strings and M theories allready and as theories says, just theories among a lot of other theories. Who cares? Me not.

From your Wikipedia-link: If ever experimentally verified, M-theory and String-theory would represent remarkable advances in science.

Until this happens, let's have fun and boogie the strings.

[Primordial_Matrix]

Yeah, I spent 5 weeks in Deutschland August-Sept. 2003, and weed was pretty easy to find in Berlin and Munich. About Amsterdam...technically, mushrooms and herb are still technically illegal, it's just that the powers that be have other things to do than harass heads.

I'm not really into using the major sacraments for recreation, but I am certainly for using them for the more Dionysian forms of worship (think ecstatic dancing like the Sufis or at the old Dead concerts). I'm at the point now where I'd like to use them to begin preparing for my death (Andrew Weil was on NPR last week talking about his new book, wherein he discusses that subject). That, IMO, is the ultimate "shamanic" journey (quotation marks because maybe that's not the right word).

I most definitely believe that LSD has the potential to improve the world, as you do, and I would love to see either Entheogenic Temples (so to speak) or so much in the world that nobody could profit from it, in realistic doses (rather than the weak, almost non-existent concentrations that have been the norm in the past 20 years or so (which was Picard's MAJOR error, IMO)).

I'm guessing that we see pretty much eye-to-eye on this.:H

Tranquility, S.Cool~
I agree we probably do see eye to eye. It's just one of those things that either you have been "experienced" or you haven't, and you just can't explain it to someone who hasn't been there. I can tell that you most likely have been there. I very much understand your idea in preparing for death. I believe in that as well, not only coming from a place of my having had a lot of personal direct/non-hallucinogenic paranormal experiences in my life, but also from what I have learned in Tibetan Buddhism, which very much gets into that concept as well very much a long the lines of the ultimate shamanic journey. Plus, I have participated in one of the projects and the work of Dr. Ken Ring, whose many books on the subject of near death experience, etc.--follow along those lines of thought and belief as well.

As to "Southernman's" comment:
You know though, over the years I've developed the opinion that it is not my job to make anyone believe in anything--because it doesn't matter really--belief isn't required at all. Some things exist, and some things just are--with or without anyone's so called belief. Also, when it comes to verify M-theory within the limits of today's scientific methods of reproduction in the laboratory, etc.---it's not going to happen. Today's method's are primitive and cannot prove concepts that go beyond its limits. Doesn't matter to me though. Experience is all that really matters to me, no matter anyone's theory, so you might say that some theories hold stronger ground with me than others depending on my own experience.
Gotta agree with you on the "let's have fun" part. I believe in fun. Yee Haw! I have as much as I can squeeze into any given moment. Cool :)

[phooqu2]

I seen alot of folks go mad from LSD...they took too powerful a hit and got brain damage...fired their wires...and were never the same. Most of that stuff is a pharmaceutical product from somebody's home lab. I recommend not taking any hits of LSD. However, you may want to look into organic morning glory seeds. Not the store bought kind. you could pickem if you wanted to. Just grind em up and pour boiling water over them and let them soak an hour, strain, add sugar, voila. Pearly Gates. they don't get that name for nuthin'.
It does loosen up your bolts though. you'll never be the same. YOur mental associations will not be as direct as they were before. You may not be able to concentrate without divergent thoughts intruding. If you are into meditation, or prayer, you may not want that.

[luvhuffer]

Most of the problems with acid wasn't from the acid itself, but rather wildly varying dosages, and a lot of other crap like strychnine being added. An interesting book is called LSD My Problem Child written by Albert Hofmann, the man who first synthesized LSD and took the first trip. You can find the book in it's entirety online here (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/child.htm).

If I was contemplating taking any kind of psychedelic now, I would go with sillycybin. That was always the most enjoyable high. Very controllable with little or no psychotic side effects. Just colors and laughter. SWEET! Reminds me of the Brylcream hair goop jingle.

Silly, a little gram will do ya
Use more only if you dare
But watch out, the gals will all pursue ya
They love to see those colors in your hair. LOL

http://angryhippy.net/images/Donut_Christmas.jpg

[Primordial_Matrix]

Most of the problems with acid wasn't from the acid itself, but rather wildly varying dosages, and a lot of other crap like strychnine being added.
I agree.

[bioblond]

Im 56 yrs old..lived in San Fran 1968 after the love movement was over. Hippies robbed me 2 times in the Haight. I got pissed...and I was a fellow hippie - go figure.

The Fillmore was awesome....as well as Winterland. If anyone would like to converse, I have an Ebay private group which would totally enjoy your posts. Peace, love and smooches....

Sandi

[Xenon]

55 years old, on the East Coast, and was to the Fillmore East many times. The bands there: The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Emerson Lake Palmer, The Nice, Spirit, Savoy Brown, Fleetwood Mac, Curved Air, Jethro Tull, Ultimate Spinach, Led Zeppelin (First night in the USA), Iron Butterfly, The Dead, Grand Funk Railroad, Lothar and The Hand People, and so many more.

Like bioblond, I was robbed, but I got away. I never thought that somebody who had long hair was automatically a hippy. A real hippy would never rob anyone. These were greasers with long hair.



The acid got bad around 1972, when it was cut with strychnine. Shrooms always made me a bit sick, as did Peyote. The best was synthetic psilocybin and pure Sandoz, hands down. DMT was strange to say the least. Still hangs with me almost 40 years later.



I always thought the hippy culture was not head, flower child, and freak, but Field, Urban, and Space. Inside of those sub-categories were over-indulgers, under-indulgers, and those just right.



Sad to see people I went to high school with. Many former heads are in complete denial on what happened back then, especially the girl in my senior class who opened her locker next to mine with a pound of weed in it. She knew I was cool, so no hassle. Now, she and others simply block it out.

[onelovemission]

Being so young and being born in this generation with all the war and so many different conflicts that could most definitely be avoided, I wish so much I was around in the 60's and 70's to be an activist. Nowadays, there aren't enough of us around that will actually stand up for what we believe in like it used to be. I wasn't there of course, but I read all these awesome stories on sites like this that make me have such a great respect for you "older hippies" haha.


If you want to be free, be free because there are a million things to be...
--Cat Stevens (ha)Don't waste time wishing you were around in the 60's and 70's. Take that activists spirit that it within you and start your own activism path now!!

The world needs people like you to cause a fuss, make a scene and change things.

The feeling I have is that there are loads and loads of young people out there wanting to make a difference, they just don't know how. I am sure if you looked on the net, you could join up with some causes local to you, or even better, start your own protest / cause. The more you do, the more people you will attract. I am sure that if other young people in your area knew that something was happenning, they would join in.

Make it happen, you have the power, nobody else can make it happen for you except you!!!!!

Peace

[luvhuffer]

Make it happen, you have the power, nobody else can make it happen for you except you!!!!! Peace

Well said!

[rainbowedskylover]

I always thought the hippy culture was not head, flower child, and freak, but Field, Urban, and Space. Inside of those sub-categories were over-indulgers, under-indulgers, and those just right. so there were sub categories of hippies?
could you explain a littlebit more about it?
what were space hippies for example...

[luvhuffer]

AH HA HA HA HA!!! I like those subcategorys. Here is a film about 2 urban underindulgers overindulging from back in the day. I don't know how I missed this one. I thought I'd seen all those 60s anti drug propaganda films. Check this out. It's poor quality but truly hysterical. Complete with light show. I had to share.

Will she bite the weenie? "L.S.D. A Case Study" Brought to you by Lockheed Aircraft Corp.! I love how they even included the periods after the letters in LSD. WTF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPgpYux8HJQ&search=l.s.d.

[Schlüßelberg]

Oh, that is hilarious, Luvhuffer! TY so very much. That link is going to a politicks board I uselessly argue on. Just for the righties to gnaw on.

[Mina_White_Rabbit]

Yeah This is Cool
I have 17 years for example :D :D

[Rev Van]

:H I use to live in Monterey and spent much time on the Height back then and it was a groovy place to hang, but f.f.>> 1995 and the mood was greed. The almighty dollar is king. Dozens of trendy shops with mass produced Japanese KRAP!, astronomically high rents and not a love child in sight.

Maybe, just maybe today's youth will be able to find the love and peace, creating a new nervana some place else. S>F> is beautiful though.;)

I really wish them loads of luck, and with a little bit of love they'll let us old fosils in too.:cool:

[wandering_okie]

On Being A Hippie

First let me clear up a few misconceptions about what a Hippie is. Long hair does not make a Hippie. There are plenty of long haired rednecks out there. Clothes don't make a Hippie and the use of drugs definitely doesn't make you a Hippie. Being a Hippie had nothing to do with being rebellious. Native Americans would say it's "Tafunka" (a way of life). It's a matter of respect. Respect for others and their rights to be who they are. Respect for the Earth and all that dwell on it. Mostly it's a respect for yourself. Allowing yourself to be who you are. Search the inner you, deep inside your heart, the answers are there if you just listen. You'll be suprised at what you might find. There are two paths in life the right one and the wrong one, it's up to you to chose. Peace, DDR

"I'm not cynical - just experienced."
I think I found a new guru...LOL
Thanks brother for the wise words. It's all about respect for others and their individuality.

[rainbowedskylover]

is it true that tyhe introduction of heroin into the the hippy-movement played a big role in the end of the movement?

[luvhuffer]

Heroin played a big part in the end of most who used it. I'm sure there was heroin use within the hippy community, but most ( or maybe a large part is a better term) of the addictions came back with soldiers from Vietnam. Whether from morphine use for wounds or malaria infection, or from smoking skag, most of the users I knew came to use it that way Now that I think about it a lot of people started out shooting downers, reds (Lilly F40s or F88s), rainbows (tuinol?), yellow jackets (nembutol?) etc. Sorry I'm guessing on the actual drug names. I just woke up and am being too lazy to look it up. I persolally don't think heroin per say played a big role. It was just an aspect of a much larger overall segment that played a part. The reasons ran the gamet from apathy, to demonization by the media from the actions of a few, to the ultimate rise of (oh god! Forgive me for uttering THE D word!) Disco. lol there I said it.

[rogerelliott]

I new here but an old hippie.It was not the drugs that killed the movement,it just went underground as in the previous post,we are still alive and well but we got jobs.
Hippies and rasta have so much in common.Love and world ctitzenship to name two.
Old hippies never die,their side effects just wear off!

[Xenon]

so there were sub categories of hippies?

could you explain a littlebit more about it?

what were space hippies for example...



Space Hippies were more likened to technology and science fiction. Pink Floyd always comes to mind, especially in the Ummagumma days. Another two groups that come to mind is Joe Byrd's United States of America and David Vorhaus' White Noise. When I saw Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's USA debut at the Fillmore in 1971, I knew there officially was "Science Fiction" music now. Sounds and Tones that formally were only in monster and alien movies, were now in popular music. Of course Kraftwerk, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Genesis, Spirit, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Moody Blues, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and others were experimenting with "Other Worldly" sounds and compositional structures. The heir apparent to this music is now Trip Hop, Ambient, Electronica, Techno, Rave, and other "trip" music.

In the "Virgin" days of the Peace/Love movement, there was a general acceptance to the differences between Urban, Space, and Field. I remember a taped concert on WNEW-FM, probably early 1969 or late 1968, where Lothar and The Hand People were playing with Richie Havens. The mind expanding elixirs, Peace Movement, and Anti-War sentimentality would allow for cross-fertlization.

When I saw Heroin, Booze, Downers, Hell's Angels, Manson, and other junk seeping into the Peace movement, I knew the end was near, sometime near 1972 or so. In the late 70s and early-mid 80s, New Wave, and New Romantic music was decidely psychedelic with bands like DEVO, The Fixx, Ultravox, Wall of Voodoo, Thomas Dolby, etc. Perhaps the "Nixonian" quality of Reagan temporarily woke up the still simmering psychedelic soul.

Now, we are literally in a Dark Ages of culture and music. When Bush-supporting artists like Britney Spears and 50 Cent become the norm, we are in trouble. You have to dip deep to find trippy stuff, but it is still there. Personally, I have been playing music for 50 years, and have not given up. Just to give a little taste, here are a couple of songs for your stoning pleasure:



http://www.noble-gas.com/SandSea.mp3 (http://www.noble-gas.com/SandSea.mp3)
http://www.noble-gas.com/ool.mp3 (http://www.noble-gas.com/ool.mp3)

http://www.noble-gas.com/telstar.mp3 (http://www.noble-gas.com/telstar.mp3)
http://www.noble-gas.com/Land_Between.mp3 (http://www.noble-gas.com/Land_Between.mp3)
http://www.noble-gas.com/queensumerius.mp3

[Iron-Lilith]

On Being A Hippie

First let me clear up a few misconceptions about what a Hippie is. Long hair does not make a Hippie. There are plenty of long haired rednecks out there. Clothes don't make a Hippie and the use of drugs definitely doesn't make you a Hippie. Being a Hippie had nothing to do with being rebellious. Native Americans would say it's "Tafunka" (a way of life). It's a matter of respect. Respect for others and their rights to be who they are. Respect for the Earth and all that dwell on it. Mostly it's a respect for yourself. Allowing yourself to be who you are. Search the inner you, deep inside your heart, the answers are there if you just listen. You'll be suprised at what you might find. There are two paths in life the right one and the wrong one, it's up to you to chose. Peace, DDR

"I'm not cynical - just experienced."

Right on! So true.. if your not true to yourself, how can you be true to others.

Love, Peace & chicken grease,
Meg

[Spencer-from-Tawapa]

hi! i just have a quick question...hope im posting in the right place :)anyways my question:
a while ago i came accrosed a websight that said (female) hippies wore both mascara and glitter.....however that just dosent make sence and i only found it in the one place...can anyone shed light on this?(possibly the websight was confusing gypsys and hippies?)

well personally im hopeing for the glitter (although it dosent seem right)...lol its about the only non-hippie thing i wear:pI think that people should recognize that there is a huge gap between commercial portrayals of hippies and the reality of the people who thought of themselves as "real hippies", and who looked on all of this commercial exploitation as so much "plastic" (a very potent word back then).

[dollydagger]

A lot of people I know, as well as myself, truly belive we were shafted..we were born too late! I know the hippie movement was for only but a short time, but what a time to have been alive!! That time could never be recreated, no matter how authentic you can make it look. My generation....we have produced nothing worthwhile. We are a bunch of spoiled, greedy, selfish kids, perpetually drunk, getting high for all the wrong reasons. We are culturally barren...

[jailmate]

luukz like it vit all dohz bald hed prisson like kidz 4 jeezuz.

[luvhuffer]

....we have produced nothing worthwhile.
Ya but we'll all be dead and you guys will be going to Mars! If Bush doesn't destroy America as we know it first. How cool is that!

[meanroy]

Ya but we'll all be dead and you guys will be going to Mars! If Bush doesn't destroy America as we know it first. How cool is that!1. Hope none of us are dead soon. Mars will wait for us, we'll be there, I'm not THAT old!
2. Nah, Bush will pass --- well maybe not in all connotations I hope,a good bush is good. ;) ---

Thanks for the Happy B'day from the Forum!

It's the big 69.
I wish I could say I had big party with all the trimmings, pole dancer and massage table set up, all my friends in attendance, but "It Ain't To Be" . . . Ah Ha Ha AHHH ... Mot even any old girlfriends crashing the party, darnit, probably just a quiet day smokin and downing some beers. Don't really have a plan, who knows. (If I don't overdo it tonight!) anything could happen. :)
Anyway, have a good evening and a good time to all this hot fri night.

Roy.
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[Horologist]

OK, I guess that I'm a digger, head, hipster

Dan

[meanroy]

Yah.OK, I guess that I'm a digger, head, hipster

DanGood to me.

Stay cool Bro.

[SWEETLEAF]

:rockon: http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/510/HODGE_PODGEBEFORE_9-3-2006_492.jpg:rockon:Hi.is there anyone out there from the old daze?Anyone from tampa,florida?email me at peggies118@aol.com!!!!

[Rev Van]

:jester:
PEACE ON YOU

[Rev Van]

:jester: I have noticed a recuring theme to many questions of the youg to the old in these forums which is< "What is a hippy and what makes us different from everyong else?"

To me being a hippy is all about being a warrior.

Ever since the 1940's when the first beatniks started showing up, through the 50's, 60's, and on into the 70's, we, though engaged in our own seperate bettles, wighting a war against HATE!

In this war there are no prisioners. There is no mercy for the wounded. There shall be no monuments for the fallen. This is a war of absolute enilulation, for the enemy is no less than HATE itself.

Who is hate's greatest aley? The American government for one. The same government that gas suoght, for the last 60 years, to propigate hatred and unrest throught the world.

Jesus Christ gave up his life for his beliefs.
Mohanid gave his life for his.
Buda gave up his live to his beliefs.
Gahandi gave up his life living his beliefs.
The U. S. government is willing to sacrifice its entire cizenry for its self seeking purpose.
What are you willing to give up for your beliefs?

"Our actions must never be passive, but rather highly provocative and thought provoking," Gahandi.

"If it doesn't get into the press, then it didn't happen," S.D.S./Weathermen.


Don't allow yourself to become deluded by the government's reports and clains that "THEY" are the enemy. All these claims are just a smoke screen.

THIS IS A WAR TO THE BITTER END!

If you can't claim that you have engaged in action against this enemy, then don't bother to claim that you're a "hippy", because you're not. You're either a spy for the enemy, traitor, liar, or other undesireable beast.
I forgive you.

PEACE BE WITH YOU ONE AND ALL!

[Retread]

I am 58, so I guess I am one of the "old hippies" whatever they are. Of course , back then, I was from Texas so some thought I wasn't cool enough in Cali. For me the Hippie label was just that. I was more concerned with folks being what they wanted to be--not any label. Of course we all hated the war. Anyway, I don't care about fashion, hair (I have very little left). Drugs were not the thing for me though they got me into the swing of things way back then. Question Authority and having enough sense to know to Question Authority are the eternal things I learned then.

[Black Jim]

but did not mess with anything till 72.

Wasn't really a hippie,more of a long hair weed smoker in my younger days.

We never wore flowers back then,just got ripped and listened to the Rock
music of that era. Top name Rock concerts cost no more than 20 bucks,but
averaged around 12. We also consumed alot of booze back then as well along
with anything else that struck our fancy.Some called us Freaks.

Back in the 70s on a rare warm winter night like we're having now in Virginia -
We would be sitting out in the woods on logs rolling up huge thumb size bones,
maybe having 2 or 3 going at once and washing it all down with cold brew or
perhaps a bottle of hard spirits.


Often the cops would try to sneak up on us in attempt to end our revelry,
but we fled like shadows in the night.Once two officers ran smack-dab into
a grove of Devil's Walking Canes(a small tree-like plant covered with long thorns)
on a moonless,starless night.

We saw them latter at a all night eatery called The Waffle House,faces,arms,
and hands bore the wounds of the walking canes.

The cops did not even know we were the ones they were chasing through
the brush earlier.

We knew our bit of party woods real good,better than them.

Now at 50 it is doubtful I could out distance some of the young officers of
today,and they built a subdivision where our woods once were.

Ahhh, fleet footed youth.

Things are different now,more woodcraft is called for now.

[luvhuffer]

I'd like to comment on the hair thing if I may. Long hair wasn't a fashion statement back then. I remember hearing people say "oh everyone has long hair. How can you call that a statement of non conformity?" and other equally insipid statements. What you have to realize is back then growing long hair was an act of social acceptability destruction. Growing your hair effectively alienated you from society. We grew our hair long knowing, that doing so would, other than getting a job cleaning shit out of dog kennels or something, completely remove you from the job market. It was a serious act of social self-destruction, and alienation. That was why so many of us, even though we would, out of love, accept them for what they were, felt sorry for the weekend posers who would put on their paisley shirt, what if they gave a war and no one came buttons and bell bottomed hippie uniform, and venture out into the weekend night scene crowds. They just didn't get it. t's kind of like the guys nowadays who put some egg in their hair and spike it out for the weekend rave, but are well groomed and ready for work on monday. That's also why I have a lot of respect for punkers and their hair, along with their music which I find very political and socially conscious, and enjoy even if I'm 57. If you never got into punk rock, check out the lyrics to some Bad Religion songs some day. Especially off the Against The Grain album, which is one of my favorite all time musical journeys.

Back to hair. I mean for the girls it was the same thing. Although long hair wasn't going to set them apart like it did for the guys, the ladies found their voice in unshaven legs and arm pits, that was equally as effective as the long hair on the guys. And, no, it doesn't feel like making love to a guy when you're with a lady who doesn't shave.

Another thing is the age thing. There wasn't an age thing back then. A 15 year old or a 60 year old were equally as welcome into the movement. They were entitled to and respected for their opinions which were received openly without a bunch of age related judgemental crap. It pisses me off when I see older people on here belittle the younger ones who are/want to be, into the whole scene. Whether it is because of their naivete or whatever. Remember we are all due the minimal respect for being a fellow human being if nothing else. The young ones will make the future. Lets listen to what they have to say, OK? Crap I'm starting to wander again. Sorry. (insert Janis Joplin voice here) THAT'S IT! HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA, HA HA!

[Schlüßelberg]

I hope I haven't belittled anyone because of their optimism. I have for other reasons, but I hope not that.

You are SOO right, Luvhuffer, that people of any age were welcomed, and treated as sane, conscious members of "the Movement", whatever THAT was. Man, when I was 15, I was welcomed as a head, as a person who opposed the war, as a human being who had the capacity to love and be loved. That was the wonderful thing about then, that probably will not be repeated anytime soon: the loving acceptance.

I can't tell you how many times I had fellow freaks come to my rescue and feed me, and give me a place to crash, and treat me as an actualized human being. Bless all of them. Straights, too. Many a night was spent in a straight's garage, or on the couch, or even in a spare bedroom once in a while. I guess it was because they saw that we were Samadhi, seekers of spiritual truth, and were more or less harmless, and pretty cool.

Of course we can't thumb it any more these days; too many unconscious beings who can't tell a need from a want, a desire from an imperative, good from not-good. Too many sick vultures. Much of that I directly blame on Prohibition. The West, those Anglican/Episcopal/Baptist forces of Darkness, simply cannot accept the presence of Shamanistic cultures on the Earth. Higher consciousness is Verboten; alkonsciousness is the Holy Grail.

Ah, OK, I'm wandering; you all get my point. Then ain't now.

[barefootgirl1990]

well, i am only 17 and i think i relate to my idea of hippyness (what i have read and seen) because it seemed real. if u watch mtv or whatever today all that seems just about moneyand the music is a turn off (with some exceptions). but at woodstock 500000 people turned up, it seems so real. have i got the right idea? :-)
peace to all
jas

[gate68]

well, i am only 17 and i think i relate to my idea of hippyness (what i have read and seen) because it seemed real. if u watch mtv or whatever today all that seems just about moneyand the music is a turn off (with some exceptions). but at woodstock 500000 people turned up, it seems so real. have i got the right idea? :-)
peace to all
jas
woodstock was a capitalist venture,they even made a movie to sell to middle amerika

[hippyatheart]

well im 14. and i was always the kid at school who never wore shoes and wore clothes that i found/used to be my parents... im not into the whole... vegetarian etc thing. my piece of shit car is surely bad 4 the enviroment and i kant live without steak. what exacly am i then?

[luvhuffer]

well im 14. and i was always the kid at school who never wore shoes and wore clothes that i found/used to be my parents... im not into the whole... vegetarian etc thing. my piece of shit car is surely bad 4 the enviroment and i kant live without steak. what exacly am i then?An omniverous lifestyle guru and car mechanic in the making?

[hippyatheart]

An omniverous lifestyle guru and car mechanic in the making?
couldnt of put it any better myself.

[Symple]

I just posted in the thread I started "What is a hippie". Then the next thread I went to was this one. I would not have started What is a hippie is I had done things in reverse.

[luvione]

come on everybody now, lets get togethor and learn how to love one another right now!

[Loveminx]

I love you all..hippie or not... :)

[Schlüßelberg]

I love you all..hippie or not... :)We love you too, little sister. Be true to yourself and the planet.

[Schlüßelberg]

I just posted in the thread I started "What is a hippie". Then the next thread I went to was this one. I would not have started What is a hippie is I had done things in reverse.Well, I couldn't help but notice that your pic is a mirror image of you. Hahaha!

Peace!

[Freeminded]

Great aticle man u really teached me alot of stuff thanks for opening a mind of a 13 year old givein me a different veiw im goin to start the hippies all ove again we should all get together on this sight and start a boycat and stuff and hav another woodstock and make it 109830479201756571566566676 days of peace love and music!!!

[Schlüßelberg]

Yeah, you're well on your way. Some of the greatest poetry, prose, music, lyrics, et cetera came from that period. You could be among the greats soneday! You just have to pick up a few things, like spelling, punctuation, verbs, capitalization, and syntax, and you'll be able to communicate with other Hippies! Good Luck, Little Brother.

Namaste. :jester:

Great aticle man u really teached me alot of stuff thanks for opening a mind of a 13 year old givein me a different veiw im goin to start the hippies all ove again we should all get together on this sight and start a boycat and stuff and hav another woodstock and make it 109830479201756571566566676 days of peace love and music!!!

[Hari]

This is a rocking thread form what I have read.
Today in Boston Common there was a big protest with more hippies that you can count and I happen to be playing there, and the vibes were great.
Love to ya all. I'm glad we're still alive , young and old alike.What's age? we are concious souls all of us.

[hipperhippie]

what do you guys think about huaraches sandals? u know the ones with recycled tire tread sole...the authentic ones...i found some at www*edited*com ---

[luvione]

is that spamming? or shareing info? I saw a lil sis on another thread just giving her opinion about where a certain trip may be held, and she got yelled at by a older, longer member and was told she was spamming. I didnt think giving her opinion was spamming. But this has a connection to another site,,, please, explain. I am confused.

[Schlüßelberg]

is that spamming? or shareing info? I saw a lil sis on another thread just giving her opinion about where a certain trip may be held, and she got yelled at by a older, longer member and was told she was spamming. I didnt think giving her opinion was spamming. But this has a connection to another site,,, please, explain. I am confused.
Well sure doesn't fit into this thread. Doesn't look like he's soliciting opinions, either, since he already found his huaraches. I'd guess he (?) is a shill. Some people just have no class. The mods should move it to the obnoxious clueless spammers forum.

[Hobes]

no fucking way i can read all of that read difrent parts at diffrent sections

[The_Walrus]

Awesome link.
I'll read all of it when I have more time and energy.

[Chris2]

I remember when we used to get high and do this

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[bandbeyondescription]

that awnserd every question i ever wanted to know

[hannahannahannah]

I'm blown away. The work you put into that article is phenomenal. I'm amazed at the way you "summerized" it, but not for a moment did I feel like anything was left out. I really applaud you, and thank you for sharing it.

[peacefulmama]

peace to all...
after reading the hippie article, this thread, and alot of your thoughts, and feelings...i feel lifted up, energized, and glad to be an old hippie chick....
i knew...at a very young age...that i was what folks then called "different"...
i loved the land, cared about others, wanted to follow my own path...but because i was young then-(i'm talking '67 through 69ish)-i was supposed to follow "thier" rules, not walk to my own drum....but, in 1967, in hononlulu hawaii, i saw troops coming from vietnam, for rnr, i joined the war protestors, the hippie chicks and dudes....i was 10 yrs old...all the folks took me in as thier "little" sister....(until my parents found me)
In '69...was in mississippi...tried to hitch my way to a gathering i'd heard about....it was called woodstock....rode through alabama with some older brothers and sister...smoked my first (of many, many, many) joints....i was 12...got to the north part of alabama....and the sheriffs found me...and home i went...
I went through the 70's loving the land, caring for the critters, and following my own drummer...my friends all shared the love, passed the bong, and protested the ones who exploited others, tried to poison the land, and mistreated the critters....
Now its the 2000's....i've grown a bit grayer, don't smoke the weed no more, but i still care about the land, love the critters, advocate for those who can't help themselves, and still call my fellow brothers and sisters friends...and old, and young, hippies

Peace and love....just my humble opinion.....

[mini mal]

It was interesting reading all ure points of view, young and old. All I know is that my Mum and Dad were both cool, and chilled, and I loved growing up with hippy parents. I loved it that my Dad wasn't like the other Dads and my Mum not like other Mums espescially as I live in UK and parentwise, you were meant to wear twinsets and have your hair permed. I had the happiest childhood,with three other sisters, and I have always been different. I get called hippy all the time because of what I look like. But its not all about clothes. Its about respect, respecting other people what they do, what they believe,etc etc. I don't mind being called a hippy, and I got 4 little kiddies of my own now too. I can't help being how I am, and if that makes me a hippy then I,m proud, lol, because I can't help the fact that being brought up by hippy parents has rubbed off on2 me, and will obviously rub off on2 my kids 2.So, if there are any older generation hippies that do not like to think there are younger hippies too, then they mistaken, because a lot of older hippies procreated, lol, and so surely, like my parents, there must be children of lurve era that can't help naturally being hippified, lol.xxx

[Symple]

Howdy mini mal and peacefulmama. Great posts from both of you. There is an area in the hills near where I grew up where a bunch of hippies went in the 60's and 70,s to do the commune back to the land thing. Lots are still there and a lot of their grown up children are still there having children of there own. The younguns have embraced the hippie way. The local gatherings are full of love peace colour music fun and joy.

Keep up the good play.

[Wynter0226]

That was the wonderful thing about then, that probably will not be repeated anytime soon: the loving acceptance.


It makes me sad that it's not something that will be repeated anytime soon. Why not?

I think we can learn a lot from the older hippies and as young people here we should take atvantage of it. My uncle was a hippie back in the 60s and he is probably my closest relative out of all my many aunts and uncles. He still is such a hippie and I love it. We always have the same values and opinions and the rest of my family jokes about it.

My generation, and those younger and a little older make me sad. There are very few who have the right idea.

[Southernman]

.............. There are very few who have the right idea.But they are (we are) still there, still crazy after all this years and this is it, what cöunts. And we have now the www to interchange across the world and we use it an we use it well like this forum and a lot of other webpages show.
I want to make one thing clear, I did not make this webside, I linked in the 1st posting of this thread, I just knew it and thought, it's a good source of information for young (and old).
It makes me glad, to see all you young folks here.

[Reverend Rock]

hi! i just have a quick question...hope im posting in the right place :)anyways my question:
a while ago i came accrosed a websight that said (female) hippies wore both mascara and glitter.....however that just dosent make sence and i only found it in the one place...can anyone shed light on this?(possibly the websight was confusing gypsys and hippies?)

well personally im hopeing for the glitter (although it dosent seem right)...lol its about the only non-hippie thing i wear:p
The makeup bit was really a post-hippie development, I think. The "glam-rock" or "glitter-rock" era that followed the "psychedelic" era in the early '70s was a heavy make-up kind of pop culture development. Alice Cooper, David Bowie, Mott the Hoople were among the popular musical artists of that phase. It was all about theatrics and gender-bending. Lots of dressing in drag, that sort of thing.

I liked some of the music, but for me, it was the point when young people in general despaired of working for change and just decided it was all about partying. It was kind of the last gasp, in a way--and just as I entered my teens, too. I opted for the "Jesus Movement", but that eventually morphed into the Religious Right. Rats...

[dreamingofTheo]

Hippie, Well I was caught in a weird situation when I was younger, about 4yrs, old my Mom worked in this ancient old hotel, 3 stories high and really cheap rooms, the young people of "then" 67-68(year, that is) use to hang out there, I was too young to know the difference but dam I loved it! My Mom was about 29yrs. old then and so to me she was just my Mom, but she had some really cool and nice friends, ( these young people) my Dad was always calling "them" Hippies. He was about 35yrs. old then. I would spend time at the hotel playing with the owners kids, running around playing hide`n`seek in this acient place, it was great, anyway, as a child I was in this world and didn`t know any better. And dam well loved it, loved these people still do I love the smell of pot, I can`t help it. I like smoking, but can`t because of my job and my kids. In a custody battle at the moment. I wear patchuli (spelling?) and with incense I burn a combo of leather(incense) and patchuli. I love walking into a leather shop I`d eat leather by the smell of it and if I could just have a mattress made out of pot, I`d been in heaven, I love paslie prints, I hate to shave, anywhere even though I do.(for the sake of heat rash) and showering (sometimes ugh) if wasn`t for crotch rot. Guys with long hair, dam what a turn on. I cream my jeans quite a bit at that. Sex I love it w/the right guy, one that makes ya hot as heck, bump and grind dam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway I like people quite a bit and I hate it like hell when I see a piece of land that someone has tortured, piss the hell right out of me!!!! I feel like I`m a freak, when the real me comes out and sometimes I just can`t stop it. I`ve gone on here too long but this is me, whoever I am, you tell me, I guess.P.s. I love Harley`s I cream at the sound of one and If it`s a good old simple bike dam!! you got that long hair and a descent person(pref. guy) I`d follow you anywhere, :drool: AND I love my God ,his son and the Holy Spirit. Amen.

[eanniee]

Eric I liked your question ...........what would the older hippies call the hippiesh kids of today...........I'd call them smart....enlightened...strong...willing to stand for the cause...I'd call them a fellow hippie and a blessing to society
Annie

[mini mal]

The thing about it, is when I was 17,my mum and dad divorced.and they are still friends.out of them both my mum has stayed hippy if you can call it that,to me shes just my mum,lol. our step dad is cool.he is a hippy too. he said he was worried at first that all my mums children wouldn't accept him, but he fitted in instantly coz we are hippy offspring lol.he is older than my mum, and i love listening to him telling us his reminiscences and his views on things nowadays. the one thing that he said still rings true today as it did back then,and am talking about in the UK, is that society thinks that coz you are a hippy,or just because if you are male and have long hair, society thinks you are uneducated or thick,that you are outcast and your views and valid points aren't taken seriously.eg. he said people pre judge him still today, and he said that he has been employed by people, and he says it is wrong to be told that you have to cut your hair in order to be deemed respectable and he has handed in his notice rather than be sacked, over his hair.And some of these jobs are just driving jobs,delivering goods to grotty warehouses.He said that it surprised him, that the nicest place he ever worked was for jaguar, the car co.selling cars, and they were fine,he just had to tie it up.He said he applied to them for a joke at first not expecting to actually get the job and he was gobsmacked when they wanted him, bearing in mind it was the suity time of the 80,s,lol.He said it is the only time he has ever worn one and they are the most uncomfiest apparel he has ever come across,and even though he was a good seller, he couldnt hack being indoors in the summer,sweating to death in a horrid suit and working like a slave for, i can't really write what he said,suffice to say it was filled with bleeps and i dont think he likes them,lol.

[Princess Capricorn]

Dear SunshineDaisy11,ABSOLUTELY!! You make TONS of Sense!!! I feel the same way!
The WHOLE idea,behind.the Movement,is and ALWAYS has been,to do what you can,to make the World Better! The Founding Fathers knew this the Best of anyone!

Please write me,and let's be Friends! I also have alot of ideas,to share!

"Love shines when sleeping.laughs when awakeing"

[WoodstockChild]

I thought, starting of a new forum could be the opportunity to structure the returning of the same questions again and again like - what clothes have I to wear - What drugs should I take - for becoming an authentically hippie by sticking this thread at the beginning of this forum and if anybody has a question, he/she can check first, if this question is allready answered here.
Haha.
That's very cliche.

[MuteDistrict]

My parents are far from hippies. I was not rasied like a hippie. Ive never meet a hippie but i feel like a share a lot in common to a certain degree. I want to wander and explore this earth. i need some soul searching and forgetting systems and rules. I have to get away soon and meet people who make a little more sense to me. My family thinks im very odd. Anyone ever been in my shoes?

[Southernman]

Haha.
That's very cliche.http://alpha315.server4you.de/%7Ehippiesu/apboard/images/smilies/aussagen/respekt.gif

[ChiefCowpie]

My parents are far from hippies. I was not rasied like a hippie. Ive never meet a hippie but i feel like a share a lot in common to a certain degree. I want to wander and explore this earth.
don't forget too about exploring the entire universe as the real (i'm a real hippie) hippies explored all the cosmos

[SummerEco]

great article although i was a wee bit sad...

and i'm a mixture of flower child and freak! yeah! :)

[LauraMay]

Being so young and being born in this generation with all the war and so many different conflicts that could most definitely be avoided, I wish so much I was around in the 60's and 70's to be an activist. Nowadays, there aren't enough of us around that will actually stand up for what we believe in like it used to be. I wasn't there of course, but I read all these awesome stories on sites like this that make me have such a great respect for you "older hippies" haha. Yeah I agree http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[MuteDistrict]

yeah lets not forget the universe

[ChiefCowpie]

yeah lets not forget the universe
ditto and let's also not forget to look within

[SMOKEtilIchoke]

YEs i am definitely the head i smoke to reveall hiddenn traits that herb shows me i lije to smoke and am also very much into liberation of poverty and mind expansion

[mr pizza]

ericf why do you keep quote paul simon

[happyhippie90]

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Kids, it ISN'T about the Clothes, or Music, or even if you DO or DON'T do Drugs. It's about reality. HOW can we ever achieve World Peace if we fight among ourselves? If we let all the plants die so we no longer have oxygen to breathe? If our food supply dies WE do too!

right on brother!!!!

[AngelFromTheMachine]

I think it's important for me to make myself clear that I am an agent of free thought, divergence, progression and comprehension. I am not a flower child. I am an advocate of understanding the multiple consciousnesses available to us. I am not a head. I am a pilgrim on the journey to the global search for justice. I am not a freak.

There is a lot of accusation regarding youth who are not "truly hippies" or do not understand the essence of being one. While this generation is not mobilized or organized in a proactive way, I have a sincere belief that youth (at least the ones to which I'm introduced) either have a burning passion for political and social endeavours, or are encouraged from a young age to slip carefully under the radar. With minds yet poisoned by mundane desires and national indoctrination, we find ourselves torn between the retreat to the natural, greener, simpler environment, and the abstract electrical behemoth that is alive as the Internet.

I know some youth feel a sort of lost nostalgia regarding Woodstock, and strive to relive it. Some enjoy the music and have learned to adequately adopt the associated culture. But regardless of methods, either passionate or quiet and complacent, today's youth in Canada are taught tolerance and love as a key component in a functionning multi-cultural society. The problem with the new generation is the lack of connection. The replacement of human contact with mechanical proxies.

I'm looking for a little wisdom, I suppose. How can I find others with which to surround myself? How can I spread and compare my philosophies to those of others? I often indulge in an existentialist and thus ego-centric, decadent school of thought, but I firmly believe there is a means by which a generation can be directed towards love.

[dreamingofTheo]

Love is a very basic thing. As humans, we all strive for love. And it baffles my mind too, when we have so many people on this planet. And more than half of us are so lonely.

I have met some pretty nice (cool) people on the internet. I fell in love here, just when I didn`t think I would love that deep again. Love can be pretty painful. Some on here know my own story of being wronged. But I would like to know what happened to the part of sticking with a friend, Husband--wife,(In some cases)-- to the end and in my feeling ,,,to the other side "Heaven". I know we all believe different. For whatever reasons. Because some of us have been wronged and hurt in our lives.

What I hate is when, an adult has hurt a child, mentally and or physically. As parents, sometimes we have let our children get hurt by something and or someone. Sometimes it is not totally our fault as parents. But sometimes if we were tuned into our kids as kids, then we would have known what was going on at the time. I know, I am just rattling. But for most of us who were "wronged" in one way or another as a child,,,and a few of you know who I mean. I wish I could fix everything for you.

As for what and how you feel,,,AngelFromTheMachine, keep looking. I have a good friend who has "Gone Hippy" so he thinks, and he is in his own little world. He was a good person,,,still is, just, I don`t know. A "dirty Hippy" God, I may have put my foot in my mouth now. But don`t get me wrong,,,I grew up with alot of "free people" and I still feel that way, they molded me into who I am. I am one of the free-est people I know. But you can be clean, as a "free spirit,,, full of love for other people and meaning it" This world needs so much Uncondititonal love. Let this Unconditional love fall where it may. In whatever religion, belief or thinking. Stop hurting one another. But keep looking,,,for we are out there, for you. Young or Old,,, for "Hippies" the body only gets old,,, not the mind, or the spirit. Please remember that. Dreamin`

[dropacidnotbombs]

whats better weed or lsd?
peace&love. :)

[NDNOutlaw]

I am not an old hippy really.Even tho I have been called that because of my long hair and tattoos.Back in the day I was a soldier,in the US Army.Then an Outlaw Biker,still am for that matter.The establishment seemed to label us all in the same context.
I am just curious if maybe thoughts from my perspective would be wanted.

[deadhead82]

Alright,

I am not hung up on the label hippie at all. I do consider it a compliment when people call me a hippie but I don't really label myself like that. I just am me. Do I share a lot of the beliefs and behaviors of the older hippies? Yes, I do. But the word is just that to me. I use it to describe some things and people simply because we don't have a better word for it. Come on... look at how lame we are getting... X generation, Y generation... we don't have a cohesive culture among us young "hippies." We don't have our own label and I don't think we would want one. I think most younger people who call themselves hippies recognize that there are the old hippies and the new generation who carries the torch but never got their own title.

I use the word freak a lot... but that is borrowed also. Is it really that bad that we borrow terms for those things we don't have words for? Are there any older hippies who are offended when they hear young people being labeled that way? What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies. I am not being drafted (yet) and there is no chance of me being in a love-in at the local park. But that isn't what it is about to me. Being a "hippie" isn't about recreating the world of the 1960s... it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)

yes yes yes
i agree 110%

[rainbowedskylover]

hey eric, to meyou make a lot more sense than those kids that only seem to be a hippie 'because they wanna bring back woodstock'

[EarthChildOfPeace]

Alright,

I am not hung up on the label hippie at all. I do consider it a compliment when people call me a hippie but I don't really label myself like that. I just am me. Do I share a lot of the beliefs and behaviors of the older hippies? Yes, I do. But the word is just that to me. I use it to describe some things and people simply because we don't have a better word for it. Come on... look at how lame we are getting... X generation, Y generation... we don't have a cohesive culture among us young "hippies." We don't have our own label and I don't think we would want one. I think most younger people who call themselves hippies recognize that there are the old hippies and the new generation who carries the torch but never got their own title.

I use the word freak a lot... but that is borrowed also. Is it really that bad that we borrow terms for those things we don't have words for? Are there any older hippies who are offended when they hear young people being labeled that way? What would the original hippie generation call the younger people today who are hippieish?

I do understand that we live in a different world than the original hippies. I am not being drafted (yet) and there is no chance of me being in a love-in at the local park. But that isn't what it is about to me. Being a "hippie" isn't about recreating the world of the 1960s... it is about creating a better world tomorrow. Am I making sense to anyone? ;)

Brilliant explanation. I agree with you although I do succumb to labels and have labeled myself as a hippie among many other things. But your last point made so much sense to me. I agree that it would have been great to live in the 60's and experience everything, but it drives me up the wall when these kids just talk about how much they wish they lived in the sixties. Let's not dwell on the past, although we must remember and respect it, part of our obligation as hippies is to make the world a better place for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren!!

[A2ainpride]

There is a new generation of neo-hippies with their own stuff and such, I'm one of them. We're called ravers! However, we're label as drugged up partiers and that really pisses me off. WE party to celebrate life, to escape, for one night, from this god forsaken society. I love the hippies for rising up against authority, if you guys didn't lead, then none of us would probably be around, so to you old hippies THANKS A BUNCH! ITS CAUSE OF YOU WE CAN BE FREE LIKE THIS! PLUR

[jim420]

For the right younger 420 friendly Chillin & Tokin companion in Louisville, Ky.

[junglejack]

Nice article * * *
Gotta say, we did change a lot of the way things today are looked at . Some of the younger group really does have us to thank for a bunch of the freedoms they enjoy today. Problem was, we didnt really follow through on a lot of our ideologies. I dont want to say we" sold out" - life just kinda got in the way.

Too many of us ,although we maintain many of the hippie ways and dreams- kind of morphed into a contributing member of corporate America(rip Jerry Rubin). Its the deadicated & lucky minority that can still live the lives we did then. There is a reason the word "yuppie" was formed.
So I say to the youth- we tried, we really did. The things we stalled at ,we leave to you guys to follow through.If we take any credit for the progress, we must also take blame for the failures.
You guys now have a blueprint

HippieThatsStillHangingOn
JJack

[Midnight_Toker420]

i think im a mix between a flower child and a head, and i really have no interest in becoming just one. life's pretty good right here.

[mr_erebus]

hippie girls ar all unshaved or its just a stereotype?

[girlEcho]

I would love to read the article, but it seems to have been deleted :(

[sweetxcatastrophe]

I'm going to cry...the link didn't work for me. It said it was shutdown...v.v

[Xora]

Very very deleted

[Southernman]

Sorry, was long time not around in the english speaking section

Found the side elsewhere in the www and could still edit the link in the 1st posting of this thread.

Have fun

[Revolver1966]

article didnt work for me, does anybody have a link they would be so kind to share ?

[Southernman]

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[Revolver1966]

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[newo]

Here are a couple links straight from this very website:

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[Opinionated]

i have a question and i hope this is the right place to ask it. i plan on eventually getting a van or bus of some kind and roaming the country. i want to paint it, like a modern hippie van. i was wondering if anyone could tell me how yall painted your vans. like, what kind of paint and how? that would be much appriciated! =]