i HATE bush even more now

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i fucking hate him soooo much now, right the tornado, he knew it was going to happen, where's the people to help them? ermm ohh yeah killing other people for him. america is the richest country, there are people stuck, no food/water/med supplies/clothes,

on the new's it said that he said people only use the fuel you need, then he buggers off in his little plane!!!! wtf.

he needs to step down, he need's to be shot. people in america liked and trusted that prick and now look what he has done

to many people are fighting his battles, now its his turn

that tosser seriously has some question's to answer!!!!!!!!!

[UrsusKind]

All this money to fix another country that thanks us with suicide bombs. Maybe some of the money should have gone to sure up the emergency services in an potential disaster area.

[IronGoth]

I'm sure the grateful people of Iraq and Indonesia are donating money to us as we speak.

[Bikshu]

On the other hand : a lot of the problems in N.O. right now are created by out of control crowds who can't wait one god damned day for anything.

[IronGoth]

Try waiting a day for water when you're dying of thirst.

[soulrebel51]

right the tornado, he knew it was going to happen, yeah too bad no one can predict tornadoes..

what tornado? do you mean the hurricane? :rolleyes:

he need's to be shot. whats stopping you? do you know how many people on this planet would love you if you killed him? i know i would. :)

[RxHEAD]

I voted for Kerry. Perhaps the weather will now be labled an axis of evil or terror and added to the list of the war on terror. It missed Texas.

[Kilgore Trout]

Bush administration funding cuts forced federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday. The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years. (David J. Phillip/Pool/Reuters)

[wiggy]

was it a hurricane, shite oops my bad

[Bikshu]

Try waiting a day for water when you're dying of thirst.
How stupid do you have to be to shoot at RESCUE HELICOPTERS. People are now getting shot on sight if they are caught looting. LOOTING MAKES IT WORSE anybody with a seed of intellegence can figure that out.

[asmileneverlies]

How stupid do you have to be to shoot at RESCUE HELICOPTERS. People are now getting shot on sight if they are caught looting. LOOTING MAKES IT WORSE anybody with a seed of intellegence can figure that out.Irongoat is rite, some of the looting of the last few days, is happening because people is fed up for the lack of help.
Try to live without food & water for 5 days.

[Bikshu]

Any sane person can tell the difference between getting food and water for your survival and busting into stores with bulldozers, taking t.v's and shooting RESCUE HELICOPTERS

[Bikshu]

They were given free bus passes out of the city 48 hours in advace. So don't tell me they were too poor to get out either.

[mynameiskc]

mmhm. and let's just think about the ranting mayor...who had legions of school busses he didn't deploy...he probalby thought they weren't necessary....and about how they knew they were gonna get slammed sometime but had a fuck-all attitude towards preparation. there's plenty of people who coulda done more, i just wish more would start taking responsibilty for what they themselves didn't do right instead of just pointing the finger elsewhere. all this paranoia is pissing me off. the looters aren't evil, people are losing their minds. there's been people in place since several days BEFORE the storm struck to help with the efforts, but NO ONE pays any attention to that. nor to the people who've been refusing sleep in order to help people since the storm struck and after. they just didn't expect anything so huge. NO ONE did. give people a fucking break. start acknowledging the efforts of the people who have been trying from minus 48 hours.

[matthew]

whats stopping you? do you know how many people on this planet would love you if you killed him? i know i would. :)
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I don't like the way you think.. i am right you are wrong .. Everything you say is lies... bang bang your dead.. MMMM that sounds like something Hitler might do.

[mynameiskc]

Irongoat is rite, some of the looting of the last few days, is happening because people is fed up for the lack of help.
Try to live without food & water for 5 days.
well, there's also the whole american belief that we're entitled to whatever we want, and if we don't get it, we're being robbed. for some reason, people think the american dream means everyone gets all the goodies they want and a perfect home to live in. which isn't true. this isn't a race issue, like people want to believe it is, but a lifestyle issue. if it was a bunch of poor white people the reaction would been the same. people are greedy animals. in nations where they're not used to having so much, where they haven't been fed a load of nonsense about what they SHOULD have, people didn't react nearly so badly to deprivation. they didn't start attacking each other like a pack of spoiled brats, they helped each other.

[Apples+Oranjes]

i fucking hate him soooo much now, right the tornado, he knew it was going to happen, where's the people to help them? ermm ohh yeah killing other people for him. america is the richest country, there are people stuck, no food/water/med supplies/clothes,

on the new's it said that he said people only use the fuel you need, then he buggers off in his little plane!!!! wtf.

he needs to step down, he need's to be shot. people in america liked and trusted that prick and now look what he has done

to many people are fighting his battles, now its his turn

that tosser seriously has some question's to answer!!!!!!!!!
It was a hurricane, not a tornado.

I don't like Bush anymore than the next person, and I agree that he is putting too many soldiers and resources out in Iraq rather than looking out for the welfare of our OWN people.

However, it still seems that the biggest problem is the ignorance of the people.

New Orleans was way below sea-level to begin with, and I truly believe that because of that knowledge there should have been some better rescue plan, or emergency aid for this sort of thing to happen. To me, it was bound to happen. In geography in oh, probably 5th grade, when we were learning about sea levels, and New Orleans --- my initial thought was that it was a disaster just WAITING to occur.

But why didn't people think of a better back up plan? Here's my opinion...because many people go about living, doing their own daily things thinking that "Such a tragedy could NEVER happen in my lifetime"---ignorance.

Why didn't their local government think of this? Why didn't the people of the residence bring this idea up TO the government, and step forward and say "Hey, something truly disasturous could happen to us, considering that we basically live in a potential flood zone..." etc.

It also dawned on me, after watching an hour and a half of the New Orleans coverage on TV last night, that... America is just way too dependent upon EVERYTHING. We have COMPLETELY lost our natural instincts, our survival instincts. The only thing we know is how to purchase, and how to use big guns and tanks. If were all thrown out into the wild to live for ourselves, not many of us would survive, because we have completely lost touch with nature in basically every aspect.

[Apples+Oranjes]

People looting for food and water is essential at this point. I see nothing wrong with it.

However people stealing barbie dolls, TVs and CD players is uncalled for.

The food and water in those stores would have been disposed of anyway--- let the people who need those resources use them.

I can't even look at this topic anymore, it stresses me out and depresses me. If I could go down there in a rescue plane right now I would, but I can't so thinking about it just makes me feel bad, and hurt inside.

[mynameiskc]

people are taking these things because they're movable wealth and because they've seen these things flashed in front of their faces without ever being able to afford them. they've been lied to, they've been taught that these are the important things, and given the opportunity to give their kid a real barbie doll, as opposed to the pic & save version, or finally have a tv without rabbit ears, they're gonna take it. i can't blame them. they're mad because for some reason we've taught people that everyone "deserves" material wealth.

[matthew]

people are taking these things because they're movable wealth and because they've seen these things flashed in front of their faces without ever being able to afford them. they've been lied to, they've been taught that these are the important things, and given the opportunity to give their kid a real barbie doll, as opposed to the pic & save version, or finally have a tv without rabbit ears, they're gonna take it. i can't blame them. they're mad because for some reason we've taught people that everyone "deserves" material wealth.
Or they are greedy bastards trying to make a fast buck....i don't have a 42" flat screen TV, am i going to steal one because i can't afford one..mmmm if i was a greedy bastard who wanted such a item. The fact that i don't steal and i am a law abiding person has something to do with it. Why are you making excuses for those people that deciede to steal ?.

[mynameiskc]

because i've been that poor and that that pissed. i've lived on donated tomato soup and hand-me-downs and free sunday sandwiches at the local church. i really don't know how i would respond.

but these people in NO were failed by EVERY LEVEL of their government, not just federal, my dad sent me this:

Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00

'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

[Bikshu]

The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

In other words : Take your car if you have one. If you dont, we'll pay for you to get out. How were they failed? They were given a free way out 48 hours before Katrina landed, and they didn't go. Was the government supposed to force them to evacuate?

[JoneeEarthquake]

i fucking hate him soooo much now, right the tornado, he knew it was going to happen, where's the people to help them? ermm ohh yeah killing other people for him. america is the richest country, there are people stuck, no food/water/med supplies/clothes,

on the new's it said that he said people only use the fuel you need, then he buggers off in his little plane!!!! wtf.

he needs to step down, he need's to be shot. people in america liked and trusted that prick and now look what he has done

to many people are fighting his battles, now its his turn

that tosser seriously has some question's to answer!!!!!!!!!
ummm, do you mean hurricane? Im not a fan of Bush, but America isn't the richest country on Earth, last I checked we were in debt. But I do hear ya, the national guard should be over here, helping the Katrina victims. Thats what the national guard is for!!! Not fighting in Iraq. I know a national guardswoman who just got back from Iraq and now shes going to New Orleans.

[mynameiskc]

The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

In other words : Take your car if you have one. If you dont, we'll pay for you to get out. How were they failed? They were given a free way out 48 hours before Katrina landed, and they didn't go. Was the government supposed to force them to evacuate?
they didn't mobilize the school busses at all. though some enterprising people DID steal some, which i think it cool. but for the most part, the school busses were left to get flooded.

[Bikshu]

they didn't mobilize the school busses at all. though some enterprising people DID steal some, which i think it cool. but for the most part, the school busses were left to get flooded.
They didn't mobilize the school busses probably because the regular busses weren't full. They didnt want to leave, Its their fault, get over it.

[mynameiskc]

i'll allow SOME didn't want to go, but the evacuation was MANDATORY. but it is a catch .22. had those people been forcibly removed from their homes, and the damage wasn't that bad, THAT policy would be called racist, too, and it woulda been ALL BUSH'S FAULT.

[Bikshu]

i'll allow SOME didn't want to go, but the evacuation was MANDATORY. but it is a catch .22. had those people been forcibly removed from their homes, and the damage wasn't that bad, THAT policy would be called racist, too, and it woulda been ALL BUSH'S FAULT.
you are sooo confused.

[mynameiskc]

no i'm not. i've stated from the get-go here that i don't think any one person is to blame. there's a WHOLE LOTTA people who fucked up. i just get extremely pissed off at the partisan finger-pointing. perhaps that's what's confusing you?

[Bikshu]

no i'm not. i've stated from the get-go here that i don't think any one person is to blame. there's a WHOLE LOTTA people who fucked up. i just get extremely pissed off at the partisan finger-pointing. perhaps that's what's confusing you?
No, you are confused because you dont understand sarcasm. My comment about forcing people out at gun point was sarcasm. You see, most of the people who stayed stayed because they didnt want to leave, and it seems you think they were denied evacuation facilities.

[MamaTheLama]

Who builds a city below sea level near large bodies and rivers of water?
They need to take the first blame, everyone else just followed in their fucked up footsteps.

[Bikshu]

Who builds a city below sea level near large bodies and rivers of water?
They need to take the first blame, everyone else just followed in their fucked up footsteps.
Ok, I dont think any of the 300+ year old frenchmen that built the city are still alive.

[mynameiskc]

I think the blame has to lie at someones doorstep. There are many factors to why it took so long to evacuate these people, and get them food, water, and aid. For me, only after world condemnation, did it seem that they got their act together. People around the world will watch what has happened in New Orleans, and realise that America couldn't get its act together, and seems to have been caught with its pants down.

Anyway one person has to be blamed, because thats the whole nature of having a leader, so Mr Bush please stand up and be counted. Maybe a lot of people did f*ck up, but a good leader would take responsibilty for the actions or inactions of his/her people.

And anyone who thinks that poverty and racism had nothing to do with the tardiness of the everything is very naive. I don't understand you Americans sometimes, becuase as soon as someone says mentions racism, there are loads of people who say, 'what racism ?' . The writings on the wall.
why does the blame have to lie at one person's door? that's just stupid. if you're going to blame someone, blame the poor planners in the region, blame the bureaucracies for not getting shit done. there's legions of white people not getting any help, either, so you can stuff that, too. i'm not so stupid as to think racism doesn't exist, but i'm not so paranoid as to believe that the only reason they didn't get help was because they were black.

[mynameiskc]

No, you are confused because you dont understand sarcasm. My comment about forcing people out at gun point was sarcasm. You see, most of the people who stayed stayed because they didnt want to leave, and it seems you think they were denied evacuation facilities.
sarcasm is only understood when well delivered, i've noticed.

i'm pissed because people are blaming bush for these people not being evacuated.

i'm pissed because the mayor didn't enforce the mandatory evacuation (which woulda used a LOT more busses) and MUCH BETTER PLANNING

i'm pissed because everyone wants to play the race card, when the fact is that there were legions of people and agencies gearing up for the rescue efforts but shit went all to hell, the tragedy is spread over THREE STATES, not just the poor black neighborhoods in NO.

i'm pissed because the national gaurdsmen are in an entirely different country, which, last i checked, wasn't really the job of the national gaurdsmen.

there's just WAY TOO MUCH SHIT to blame on one person, bush's war policies have definitely left us in the lurch, but it was only the extreme arrogance of everyone else that led to the pitifully poor planning and poor response. blaming one person doesn't get this shit solved. it just shoves it right back under the rug.

[Bikshu]

now that you've made yourself clear. I agree with you. However, being pissed is not a stance I can take, as it is generally more destructive than keeping a clear head. Maybe I was confused by your emotion.

[mynameiskc]

meh. lol. my pissed is really a work for "fucking irritated." people piss me off, can't help it, because people a re always looking for someone to blame.

the police DID have the authority to enforce evacuations from the city, but they didn't do it, for the obvious reason that they would be shown as "forcing poor black citizens at gunpoint to leave their homes." it's just too touchy a subject for anyone to want to take control of.

[mynameiskc]

http://www.wwltv.com/sharedcontent/nationworld/katrina/stories/090505ccKatrinawcnotmoving.2a5e4a49.html

[mynameiskc]

bull. you're the one clinging to your favorite rage-inducing illusions about human nature. anyhoo, for the more reasonable, here's a good article that more properly elucidates my point. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4216508.stm

[mynameiskc]

i agree, that gw or his cronies heading up the commission would be crap. however, this is a natural disaster covering THREE STATES. you know what? there's SCADS of minorities over there, too. whatever dubya's faults, he's not the only man dealing with this. in FACT, the first person to look at would be the ever so black mayor of NO, who didn't do his job. second would be the state officials who didn't do THEIR jobs. fema got tangled up in their own red tape, trying to manage a catastophe of a size they've never experienced. it's entirely possible that dubya just expected people to do their stupid jobs.

[Unbreakable_T]

a president that can at the drop of a hat send people off to war to die yet take forever to give aid to his own people within his own country, I really hate using this word but George W. Bush is a real cunt.

[mynameiskc]

hey, my cunt totally protests that.

and once again: the first response is supposed to be from the state and locals. BLAME THEM FIRST. THEN blame bush.