What is the difference between the mind, body, and soul?

[Inquiring-Mind]

Do you think of the mind, body, and soul as one or separate things that work together to make us who we are?

[rainbowpower]

I dont think the mind or soul exists. What most people call "mind" is just when humanity polluted it's ego when it lost its place in the natural world.

[Sebbi]

Good question - what do you think?


And more importantly, can you illustrate the difference it would make?

Blessings

Sebbi

[iamwhatiam]

can you illustrate the difference it would make?
i like that question.

and i like your sig, sebbi. it actually was my senior quote! :)

[moonlightdelerium]

The mind body and soul must be separate, at least, the body and soul must be. The mind is something I really don't understand so I don't think its fair for me to say. The body and soul, however, differentiate from eachother on the basis of one being eternal and one being very VERY temporary.
And heres a question for you... Who are we?
We each have identities but they are subject to change at any moment, so how can that be the truth of who we are?

[Libertine]

The soul is "psuche" or "psyche" and is the mind.
The mind is what we refer to as the operating system of the brain, the mental capacities: personality, thought, reason, memory, intelligence and emotion.
The brain is part of the body.

The saying, "in my heart", "in my soul" is nothing more than saying "in my mind"--a subject inside my mental capacities.

[Spiritforces]

The saying, "in my heart", "in my soul" is nothing more than saying "in my mind"--a subject inside my mental capacities.



Feelings are seperate from thoughts
Something can be felt and not thought
Just my point of view

[moonlightdelerium]

In order for something to be felt, there must be judgement which comes from the mind.

[Sebbi]

The mind body and soul must be separate, at least, the body and soul must be. The mind is something I really don't understand so I don't think its fair for me to say. The body and soul, however, differentiate from eachother on the basis of one being eternal and one being very VERY temporary.
And heres a question for you... Who are we?
We each have identities but they are subject to change at any moment, so how can that be the truth of who we are?
Is the body not eternal? Physically we live on by nourishing the soil and therefore the plants and therefore the animals. We become evenly spread out throughout the world.

Does the same not happen to our soul?

Blessings

Sebbi

[dhARmaMiLlO]

in my opinion; mind, body and soul are language labelling categories of pure invention

[Inquiring-Mind]

in my opinion; mind, body and soul are language labelling categories of pure invention

However they do exist the mind and the body, the soul am not sure? We cannot really say there is a soul or not.

[Inquiring-Mind]

The body give ours soul a physical form to experience pleasure and to see ourselves and each other.

[moonlightdelerium]

This maybe true, however, we do not continue to experience through the body once it has died which simply means the body and soul are not the same. Something is eternal if it is unchanging and every moment our bodies change. They age, molecules replace themselves with new ones. Eventually the earth will cease to exist. The Universe isn't even eternal as it will come out of existence eventually.

"Does not the same happen to our soul?" No, our souls exist as one forever, even in nothingness, equal and one.


Is the body not eternal? Physically we live on by nourishing the soil and therefore the plants and therefore the animals. We become evenly spread out throughout the world.

Does the same not happen to our soul?

Blessings

Sebbi

[tigerlily]

Is the body not eternal? Physically we live on by nourishing the soil and therefore the plants and therefore the animals. We become evenly spread out throughout the world.

Does the same not happen to our soul?

Blessings

Sebbi

hmmm i've never thought of this before, but it's a great question... do the laws of physics apply to the spiritual or supernatural? matter is neither created nor destroyed, but does that apply to souls? if everybody's soul lives forever, then there is an unending abundance of them, somewhere, that just keeps growing and growing and growing... do heaven or hell ever get crowded? hehe or rather.. do souls fade over time too, feeding and thus becoming new ones?

hmmm....

[TrippinBTM]

In order for something to be felt, there must be judgement which comes from the mind.
Since when? Animals don't have reason like we do, but they clearly feel emotion. The two are different and not necessarily dependant on each other. Mental judgement is just another layer we add to it. Anger, for example, can exist without thought, and generally begins without it. Blood pressure, faster heart rate, muscle tension manifest first, then we realize we're angry and nurture the feeling with our mental justifications and reasoning.

Is the body not eternal? Physically we live on by nourishing the soil and therefore the plants and therefore the animals. We become evenly spread out throughout the world.

Does the same not happen to our soul?
I like that. But I don't think our bodies and our souls are seperate of different. I don't recognize a seperation between "spirit" and "material" aspects of the world. All of existance seems to be based on relationship, not "particles" or "bodies". Whether we are alive or dead, we are always in direct relationship with everything else (some connections being more apparent than others, of course). We talk about the body, but the body is nonexistant without the sun, the atmosphere, the forests, the fields and animals that feed us, the water of the world, friends and family. Just like the brain is nothing without the heart or liver (or any of the rest of the body), the body is nothing without the environment around us, which is the universe at the "final" level. Since to me body and spirit are the same, since we are ONE physically, we are ONE spiritually.

I mean, if it all comes down to relationship and not entities, one must wonder what is relating with what? Consciousness? Spirit? What is at the center of existence? Modern physics finds nothing substantial, nor do most spiritual disciplines I know of. It comes down to Buddhist "emptiness" or the Christian "soul", for example. And it's always the relationship that counts (karma, moral living, etc).

[moonlightdelerium]

They don't have reason, I agree with that, BUT they do have judgement. When an antelope runs for a cheeta I'm fairly sure something goes off in the antelope that is saying "DANGER!! DANGER!!". Is this not judgement? When I say judgement, I don't mean deep human thought. Judgement is a product of past experience, not intellect. If a young child touches a hot stove they know for future reference not to touch it.

It is true, the body cannot exist without the sun or its environment, but even the sun will eventually cease to be so how can you say the body is eternal?

Since when? Animals don't have reason like we do, but they clearly feel emotion. The two are different and not necessarily dependant on each other. Mental judgement is just another layer we add to it. Anger, for example, can exist without thought, and generally begins without it. Blood pressure, faster heart rate, muscle tension manifest first, then we realize we're angry and nurture the feeling with our mental justifications and reasoning.



I like that. But I don't think our bodies and our souls are seperate of different. I don't recognize a seperation between "spirit" and "material" aspects of the world. All of existance seems to be based on relationship, not "particles" or "bodies". Whether we are alive or dead, we are always in direct relationship with everything else (some connections being more apparent than others, of course). We talk about the body, but the body is nonexistant without the sun, the atmosphere, the forests, the fields and animals that feed us, the water of the world, friends and family. Just like the brain is nothing without the heart or liver (or any of the rest of the body), the body is nothing without the environment around us, which is the universe at the "final" level. Since to me body and spirit are the same, since we are ONE physically, we are ONE spiritually.

I mean, if it all comes down to relationship and not entities, one must wonder what is relating with what? Consciousness? Spirit? What is at the center of existence? Modern physics finds nothing substantial, nor do most spiritual disciplines I know of. It comes down to Buddhist "emptiness" or the Christian "soul", for example. And it's always the relationship that counts (karma, moral living, etc).

[Spiritforces]

moonlightdelirium:
I doubt your definition of judgement fits to mine.
Anyway, whatever I would write could be kinda confusing,
I am so usefull isn't it?

Well,
To me, and to make it simple, judgment is to think something about something happening or happened or to come

When a animal flee because of danger, he don't judge and think "Danger Danger!",
He experiences the dangerous situation, he don't need to think about it to decide to flee
The situation IS dangerous to the antilope, it is like written in its genes
It will act as the antilope in danger and flee, no thinking is necessary, not even judgement.

To judge is not an easy thing to do, I really think u need to think to judge, taking account of every pros and cons. U take a distance from the facts to judge them, an antilope has really no time to do this in such a situation

Just my point of view,
did I lost me or you?
Was is it meaningless?
Who cares?

[TrippinBTM]

It is true, the body cannot exist without the sun or its environment, but even the sun will eventually cease to be so how can you say the body is eternal?
Just as there is only one soul, there is only one body.

[Inquiring-Mind]

Just as there is only one soul, there is only one body.
How do you know, what if our souls are recycled into new bodies? (Reincarnation.)

[Sebbi]

No, our souls exist as one forever, even in nothingness, equal and one.
You seem very confident about that. What makes you say that?

Blessings

Sebbi

[TrippinBTM]

How do you know, what if our souls are recycled into new bodies? (Reincarnation.)
nah, man, only one soul in existance, only one body in existence. We are all one, changing forms eternally.

[moonlightdelerium]

Sebbi, I know I seem confident, almost completely positive infact when the truth is... I don't know. None of us do. My mom gets really frustrated by my redundance and conviction but I'm not easily persuaded. My beliefs greatly coincide with the teachings of A Course in Miracles and Disappearance of the Universe. Something about them strikes a chord inside me as if I already knew everything they were teaching but at the deepest of my subconsious. But, just because I insist upon it, it certainly doesn't make it so! For all I know the rapture might be coming (in which case, I'm in deep caca poo trouble). Its funny though, I am open minded enough to listen to anybody's beliefs free of judgement but confident enough in my own to not be swayed because it happens to make the most sense to me at this moment in time.
I don't want to come across as condescending and pompous, I am just suggesting a couple possibilities out of limitless possibilities!

[Sebbi]

Moonlight - you didn't come across as condescending to me.

I think a certain stubbornness is a good thing. When it comes to many esoteric believes I like to play devils advocate.

I used to be a firm believer in reincarnation but then I became less and less sure about the permanence of the soul. It just seemed a ridiculous thing when, having changed so much, so fast there was little I could pinpoint as being permanent. And gradually I became more and more of the opinion that reincarnation is a metaphor.

Blessings

Sebbi

[ryupower]

Seperate.

[turnontuneindropout]

Your brain is only a filter for your true consiousness, your body is ment only to sustain it. As long as you are in a human body you will be bound to mental thought(mind) and can only see the world as it is through meditation or psychadellics. The physical world is only an illusion, every mind in the universe is part of a greater existence(soul). We all share one soul and one existence. It'is like a hairbrush with the bristles underwater, as long as you can see only what's underwater, you can't see all the bristles are part of a bigger whole. We all share one soul which is divided into minds which are housed by a body. This is how psychics read minds, people share dreams and visions, and how psychadellics work (by decreasing blood sugar to the brain in the case of lsd-25 and mescalin, you can shut down the filter.). Meditation and hallucinogens can temporarily alter the mind to see reality, if you use them right.

[NatureFreak412]

nah, man, only one soul in existance, only one body in existence. We are all one, changing forms eternally.
The one body thing is similar to ourselves. We are made of billions of cells, but its all just one being, some are alive, and some are non alive like our hair, and fingernails and teeth.

The same thing with people/animals/plants and all life and even non life like rocks. We are the cells of the earth and its just one organism. Very much alive.

[sassure]

The body is the physical, the first level of matter-energy.
The mind is where the mental meets the physical, where intelligence energy is generated.
The soul is where the spiritual meets the mental, where spirit energy, our immortal side, is developed.....

[lovelightlisa]

in my opinion; mind, body and soul are language labelling categories of pure invention
hahahaha!



wait...




you have a point man...




omg....


i think i agree :eek:

[MrRee]

Earth, Water, Fire & Air,

Met togetther in a gardern fair;
Put in a basket bound with skin....
If you answer this riddle,
You'll never begin.
The Incredible String Band

[mati]

how is it possible to know where the body leaves off and something else begins? Hold up your hand and what do you see? A bunch of coloured points. The whole field of vision is nothing but coloured points. What is the difference between the coloured points you call your hand and the other coloured points you see? The body is an illusion.

[Keramptha]

God knows. ...and he wont tell me.