Love

[oldwolf]

Are relationships - intimate sexual Connections necessary or even helpful in the Work ?

No - at times the only way another will open to another, is through that kind of sharing. But often the timing makes that kind of sharing inappropriate within the social norms that we live in. Most of us are heavily programmed to exclusivity within an intimate sexual relationship, and usually try to maintain and keep it from changing from the desired level of reciprocated sexual tensions and emotions that we have come to accept as love - which is also by definition -a type of co-dependency - anything in which we try to restrict from change is a type of co-dependency.

From the Other Side - love is not limited. Most of us are uncomfortable with an unlimited, impersonal love - a love that does not restrict the focus to one. A love that honors All recognizing we are all connected - and that connection is love. But it really is not about the close sexual bonding - it's just that it's as close as we can come to explaining how it feels. We tend to describe it in those terms (mystics down through the ages speak very romantically about the Connection - having little else so suitable in the language available - but recognizing it as a poor way of expression - just having no other medium to express the intensity)

Very often people feeling the Connection relate it as a romantic connection - it is the only way we know how to feel with that intensity - and another reason for detachment - .

Detachment means we do not get blown away by the phenomeology. We stay centered, we keep the focus on the end goal; not the tintillation of the emotions and senses overflow that can be very distracting, and for many become a goal unto itself. And what is the end goal ? To re-connect in wholeness to the godhead, honoring our connection with the all and growing and we do this through this maya land of becoming - this plane of process - and this IS the Work - Growing Beyond.

And trying to talk about this often leads to misunderstandings and often peole construe it as an OK to open themselves to inimate sexuality with those with who they feel the Connection

Again Detachment enables us not to get blown away by the phenomenology of receiving and giving that awesome Love which is the trademark of our Connection to All. Getting blown away by the phenomenology - trying to restrict it's flow will only lead one to lessons that will show them the error of their ways - often with stressful emotional overtones. One cannot possess this Love. One must freely Be that Love. And Love constantly directs us to open more to being vulnerable and allowing Change to help us to grow Beyond that which we Are - the method by which the godhead grows through us.

Any attempts to explain this always comes up short. The human language is not really capable - even telepathy cannot fully elucidate. Hence the call to intuition and Being true to Self - that Connection inherent within all that IS their connection to the godhead.

So please make leeway for the failings in this attempt to answer some questions put forth - To really understand you must turn within - and you must Still the mind - And Know.

Blessings to all along whatever Way each chooses on their Path to Growing Beyond.

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We enhance the quality of Existence
We fulfill our potential in a manner beneficial to All
We seek Full Awareness, Total Cooperation
and Complete Union with our GodSelf

Surrounded by Love........ Mind Creates the concept
Full of Love...................... Desire provides the motivation
Channels of Love............. Doing is the test
One with Love

Life is an opportunity and becomes what you make of it

May the Light of Love ever Guide your Way
Grow on ... Enjoy !

Peace Blessings
Love

oldwolf
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[mariecstasy]

so why do we have sex?
is it just for procreation....


and to be honest, i have found many times that the relationships have slowed my growing...there is another person involved and you have to worry about them and their feelings......
its part of why i am now divorced *curtsies and winks*

[nirgal]

This is true.
Intimacy is beyond the physical, but may reflect there

[sylvanlightning]

What color is Love?

What color is Love?

What color is Love?

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Do we Love like the Sun?

Do we Love like the Moon?

Yes, is the Answer ~JL

[mariecstasy]

whatever color you want it to be!

but back to the original question....i would say it is absolutely not necessary....this is demonstrated by the monks and nuns....

but again....why have sex....is it just a distraction....why have it be so intimate? why not just create us to where it doesnt feel so good....and touch so deep?

[moonlightdancer]

graciously bows and exits

[old_crone]

May I lay an egg here? lol

This goes back to which came first, the chicken or the egg. In reality all things were complete unto themselves, and we in our desires, and needs sought to split, divide, and possess one thing that made us feel good, and whole. Then comes along the powdered egg, and we no longer need the chicken, and or the oval egg. All we have is the rememberance that there once was a purity of completeness that was embraced in all being one. So we have sex, eat the powdered eggs and ask, what am I missing. Without the total vulnerability that opens us to the simple trust, and faith of our own being we will never understand we created the I Am in an intimacy of our wish to grow beyond ourselves. In this we became our own seperations, and questions asking for understanding. Love is our reflection as we try to express ourselves hoping for a completeness that is all in one, and one in all.

When we get lost in the wow sex we loose site of the road ahead.

[oldwolf]

heya monlightdancer weaving a spell as she joins with the lithesome huntress dancing in and out of our nights,

As my friend Nirgal is fond of saying ;
"the truth has a certain ring to it."

May your dancing be sacred, and lead you on inside; even as sex, if one does not get lost in it, can with the sharing, help us all the higher to climb.

Peace Is Being

[moonlightdancer]

graciously bows and exits

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Perhaps the more adaptability a person has and willingness to focus and then let go, distractions may no longer become an issue for them, but more of an oppourtunity to be your true self and honor your connections with the godSelf through joyful expression of being that Love and discovering yours and the godheads own true nature.

If Love/God is in everything, then just to be engaged with anything (that includes Nothing, cause nothing is something right?) should let one be in engaged with growing beyond this plane of processes.

I don't think sex has jack to with it, but it can be fun to explore with someone else.

So what do you mean by this detachment we hear so much about, and where does balance fit in?

[oldwolf]

Detachment has been explained often, as well as in this thread.

Thank you for your response

Blessings along your Way

[HoneySuckleBlue]

...right musta missed that the first time. Nevah mind.

[sylvanlightning]

Detachment is non-reactivity. This emotional strength of not being pulled out of your center to react... is detachment. Simple as that. If one wishes to expand the definition I will mix this Crowley quote into it: 'The name of sin is restriction.'

[mariecstasy]

so if my dog gets run over by a car and i want to throw my body over his cause i am desperate with loss right then, i shouldnt do that?

[sylvanlightning]

Whatever happens, you decide how best to represent your essence, your Love. A conscious decision is a response.

Now, I will ask a question. What is a commitment?

[mariecstasy]

when you are put in an insane asylum;)

commitment to me is a contract of sorts between you and what ever you are committing yourself to.....whether it be to loss weight, rock climb, be faithful to your lover or help someone advance....its the dedication within yourself to honor yourself and your goal
is that good? can i get a cookie? *pants*

[sylvanlightning]

Namaste, Mental strength is equality :)

[mariecstasy]

mental strength is not a mother feckin cookie

[sylvanlightning]

Spiritual strength is gentleness,
here is an expresso chocolate chip cookie :)

Concerning commitments... this comes to mind
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1552673&postcount=5

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[mariecstasy]

oh oh oh....you know the way to my heart!

[sylvanlightning]

heartlights and doorways



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[sylvanlightning]

when you are put in an insane asylum;)



Happy days are here again at the happy farm....
I don't have to go to work ever again,
just this therapy circle of lunacy... :p

Love makes me insane... by mind is gone... gone beyond... gone on the breath

Gate, Gate, Paragate, Parasamgate, Bodhi Swaha.......

[mariecstasy]

i wonder how well i would do in a group therapy situation...
oh never mind, i suppose i would be fine as that is what we all tend to do with one another.

[oldwolf]

Opening to Love

Loving

does not cling
Lets go
Keeps on loving
whether responded to in kind or not
Allows and encourages change
Feels happy for all growth -
whether toward any relationship or moving on

Feeling joy in seeing another grow
being there to send positive energy
Caring thoughts
But never holding another in status

So often to love
people mean stay with me
help me keep my excuses going
don't grow away from me
i will not grow away from you

And this is NOT love
this is co-dependence

Love wants another to be all they can be
No parameters
no buts
no excuses

I love you dearly and will strive my best to grow on
And support always your own Growth
whether we stay together or not -
the Connection is ever
In the wholeness
All parts are One
Separation is but an illusion that we use as a tool for Growth
But sometimes we must also Grow by honoring all our relations

From the void > to I Am > to creation of All >
To the coming round again into the One in Wholeness -
We are All One - and find Wholeness in the All
Each One being true to that Self and Honoring the Connections that make up the Whole


And so - Loving you Is loving me Is loving you
and each individual you is another me is another you -
All growing in the Whole ever One

We Are
Blessings Be

[kitty fabulous]

when you are put in an insane asylum;)
no no no, that's not commitment, that's marriage! :p

[HoneySuckleBlue]

Ah yes, I have been committed to that institution for twelve or thirteen years now...time tends to fade to timelessness here, as life becomes one long day, to be lived over and over in ever growing circles of richness.


I don't think it is who you love so much as how you love. If you can find something to love fully, that adds to you not completing you, that love can then be applied to any and every one or thing or idea...Love is love is love.

[mariecstasy]

exactly, once we find the magic(love) within ourselves we can love anyone.....
we are the magic.

[nirgal]

Love has no conditions, knows no limitations, asks nothing and grows as it is given....:)

[HoneySuckleBlue]

I suppose we as people just have to find out what rounds out our exploration of Love. Balance is always key.

It helps if you know what you need...but I guess most of the time we are just feeling our way through things discovering as we go along. So much has been lost. But it can be found again because fortunately not all was lost and somewhere deep inside us we feel the ways of our ancestors like a well worn trail, we instinctively know the way...

When we find what we seek, or really do create our own realities, then...Love will be where ever we go.

It is before and after any emotional reactions, or physical distractions, it is the way we live our lives, being Love personafied...that way we never have to go looking for love. It is always just a choice away.

Do I love?

If I do, then I do Loving things to the best of my ability when ever I have the oppourtunity to.

Show the rest of the world how easy it is to let down our guard and be vunerable. Nothing that really matters that can be taken away from us and our truest treasures cannot be seen with the nekkid eye.

Our truest treasures are what we give away, how encounters with us make other people feel and in turn grow.

[sylvanlightning]

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love, I am only a resounding gong
or a clanging cymbal.

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries
and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body
to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy,
it does not boast, it is not proud.

It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies,
they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled;
where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child,
I reasoned like a child. When I became a man,
I put childish ways behind me.

Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror;
then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part;
then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love.
But the greatest of these is love.

[mariecstasy]

that is my favourite verse of all biblical verses....such power in those words and such truth
the last wedding i was at, last weekend, this is the verse that they were going to share....well the girl who was going to read it didnt print it out...and neither of the two reverends that did the ceremony had a bible...it was hilarious....they had to ask everyone sitting there if they had one....well one lady had one in her purse and she found her's the same moment that i had remembered that there was actually one in my car.....i had just put it in there the evening before because while i was housesitting there was something that i wanted to look up....such weird ways things happen sometimes....i was glad that i would have been able to help and that there was a backup version if need be....

[sylvanlightning]

Opening to Love

Loving

does not cling
Lets go
Keeps on loving
whether responded to in kind or not
Allows and encourages change
Feels happy for all growth -
whether toward any relationship or moving on

Feeling joy in seeing another grow
being there to send positive energy
Caring thoughts
But never holding another in status

So often to love
people mean stay with me
help me keep my excuses going
don't grow away from me
i will not grow away from you

And this is NOT love
this is co-dependence

Love wants another to be all they can be
No parameters
no buts
no excuses

I love you dearly and will strive my best to grow on
And support always your own Growth
whether we stay together or not -
the Connection is ever
In the wholeness
All parts are One
Separation is but an illusion that we use as a tool for Growth
But sometimes we must also Grow by honoring all our relations

From the void > to I Am > to creation of All >
To the coming round again into the One in Wholeness -
We are All One - and find Wholeness in the All
Each One being true to that Self and Honoring the Connections that make up the Whole


And so - Loving you Is loving me Is loving you
and each individual you is another me is another you -
All growing in the Whole ever One

We Are
Blessings Be


Quite a full cup...
from the void to I Am to creation of All, indeed.


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[mariecstasy]

sometimes when you pull things back to the surface Andy, it is exactly what needs to be read by myself....
oldwolf, i am eager for the day of all of our meeting....sometimes you truly give so much of your heart and some times you are so elusive....anxious to know you...:)


and andy where do you get all those pictures..

[sylvanlightning]

I so enjoy re-exploring,
for what is found shifts
as our awareness changes.

What has already been shared,
is an abundance,
yet water stagnates
without new flow.

Understanding can be elusive,
until it is felt with a new heart,
for the ways we allow color our views.

I seek newness, in everything,
and find that even threads
old in time are new in the present.

As for this picture,
I did a google search for:
Picture Void Creation,
and then looked through
the pages to see what felt right.

I want so much to express
the love that I am,
sometimes I touch and allow
myself to really be embraced
in a way that feels so good,
but I'm wary of hurting anyone
by a misplaced word or deed.

We are so fragile;
I want only to love with enthusiasm.

[oldwolf]

Experiencing is what we do

[mariecstasy]

it is also what we are...

[sylvanlightning]

and what we allow ourselves to receive.