Stp Family

[scootertrampphoto]

I am trying to get in touch with any of the family that is still above dirt. In the forum on Boulder, a statement was made asking if someone had heard about Butler. If anyone knows about Butler, Charles B. Beard, Iz, Wabbit, Jerry S.( Fast Eddy's Brother ), Coke Mike, Crystal, Whitey, Bear, The Skank Sisters, Ect. , I would like to hear from any and all. Thanks

[Ranger]

Hi, Good Earth here. The last I saw of Uncle Beard or any of the STP family was in about '74 or so when he came up from Big Sur with a full blood Cherokee bro to have Thanksgiving Dinner at my house and brought a gunny sack of tree oysters.

[Ranger]

BTW I ran across posts by some member of STP Boulder in I think it was the Digger Forum. <www.diggers.com> ... Run a Google search on STP and it should take you right to those posts.

[hippiehillbilly]

man an here i thought yalls generation was more luvin than to label phamily as "skank sisters"..??

(not)
AAHHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAHA,,so the summer of luv wernt no diffrent than the day after tomorrow sepin fer babylons opression has growed..

wow im stunned an amazed..(not really)

but i wish you well on yer quest fer yer brothers an sisters who are still poundin the mother earth from above not below..

Luv N Lite

[Ranger]

Hippiehillbilly , them was revolutionary times bro. The clenched fist of the Panthers as a simble of the power of unity was as common among all peoles of the left as the peace sign. Peace was the prefered lifestyle, but selfdefence was never ignored. The true pacifists were a smaller minority than folks seem to think. At one point Police Chief Nelder was quoted in the paper as saying that the Haight Ashbury was the most heavely armed neighborhood in the entire country and he wasn't far wrong. Them was Revolutionary Times!

[hippiehillbilly]

preachin to the choir here bro..

rest of these dillusional old fucks ya gotta convince not me..


;)

luv n lite

[tundrahopper4]

HH,
I've been armed and dangerous since age 17 when I had to shove a shotgun iinto a situation so as to sober up a couple of drunken crazies faces so as to stop them from stomping on my friends. It probably saved some lives that night and I probably should have pulled trigger on those pricks as it would have prevented some later rapes and murders. Ah well-how was I to know? They went away. The point is that "wide open partying draws lowlife"; and it was not lost on us "hippies" not even back then. We became very exclusive club after all that. Me? Well I also have reason in this day and age but after my time on the MEAN STREETS I am a leading proponant of second amendment rights in my neighborhood.
Live and learn,
TH4

[scootertrampphoto]

Thanks for the open invite, being a road tramp still, it is good to know that there are still good people and places for us to go and lighten our load. So keep a lamp burning cause this old scootertramp will have to come see what y'all are doing there. May the good life carry on.

[shameless_heifer]

Sug, Is that the same Butler and Whitey that was with GE..
Mouseman said that they had the word going out to bring the GE back in touch. I believe he said he ( or someone) was going to build a web site for GE. That way when whom ever did a goggle to find us they would pull up the GE webpage and be able to leave info on contacts.
That would be cool.

[Ranger]

Good morning beautiful! :)

Thats a great idea, I hope he does it soon. A forum here for reuniting the families would be great. If it weren't for the likelyihood that we will be on the road in the near future I would look into it myself. *HUGS*

[scootertrampphoto]

Shameless Heifer, That would be the same Butler & Whitey. If word could be gotten to them, Peace Stp Cliff

[luvndrumn]

Hey, scootertrampphoto, I would seriously consider putting that info into a PM to shameless and blanking out the post.

[scootertrampphoto]

luvndrum, Not being to bright on all this stuff, I do not understand what you mean about putting that info into a PM or blanketing out the post. I've just come out of the fog and discovered cell phones and computers. I was totally amazed.

[shameless_heifer]

Yikes.. your gonna get spamed to peices scootertramp.. Take heed to what the brother is saying.
I don't know if you know who mouseman is but he is putting out feelers for Whitey.. I havent heard about Butler since 74ish.

There is several GE family still at large, we are trying to bring them all home, in spirit.

Sug and Sweetie (Ranger&Rita) are packing to head up to Oregan to see the part of the tribe that stayed after Ash Valley. Then possibly coming for a visit or stay with me perhaps in the fall.
It is 30 yrs in the making and the time is right for all good bro and sis's to come to the side of their families. The changes that have taken place has brought us all here to reunite in our strenght and the love that drove us to this plane of being.. I rejoyce in the splendor of it. I hold my freek flag high.
Blessed Be.
SH

[luvndrumn]

Okey dokey, scooter (for short - not out of disrespect), you can click on shameless's name in her post (or anyone's, for that matter) and then click on Send A Private Message To whoever. It opens up a screen for creating a private message (one that no one else sees (hence private). You can edit your own posts by going to them and clicking on the Edit button at the bottom right. Once you are in edit mode, you can add, change, delete any and all.

Whew, this new technology, huh?;)

[hippiehillbilly]

i think luv n drum has the eternal paranoia complex and cant grasp that some folks dont mind giving out personall info like adresses an phone numbers on the web..

ya know theres CrAzYs out there,, ... ;)

you could attract murderers,,(an we have).. LOL...

[luvndrumn]

Paranoid and free and/or unencumbered by wackos... OR... otherwise. I know which way I'll fly. Your own road is your own.;) Just like the decision to give out personal info. Although a word to the wise might be appreciated and accepted in the manner it was given?

BTW how's life on the farm?:)

[shameless_heifer]

Scootertramp... if you click on my name it will bring up a menu choose pm=private message and send me your information there where the whole world doesnt see it.. you can erase your phone number by clicking on the EDIT button at the bottom of that message.. just backspace it and it's gone.. you will be fine hun.. we all gotta learn sometime.. ... good to see you..

[hippiehillbilly]

doin well,, got a new guest who seems like is gonna work out well ..

expectin a brother to come first week of september for 3 weeks as well,,rainbow trail is almost done for the season for us,, so maybee we can get back in the groove of homesteadin again..

thanx fer askin,,.. luv n lite..

oh an by the way,, we love wackos,, we call them entertainment... ;)

[shameless_heifer]

Luvn.. All is well here on the farm.. we had 5 baby goats last week. Three Billies from one mama and and billy and a nanny from the other.. now we have six billies and are gonna have to take a few to the sale barn when they get old enough.

It's been hotter then two blazes from hell here.. no rain for weeks and everything is bruning up inthe fields.. at best I have gotten and my cannng and freezing done so I am done with the gardens. Too damn hot to be other there..
Glad to see U face darlin'

[Ranger]

OK gang, are we talking about the same Whitey? GE Whitey...Big tall albino biker bro who showed in the Haght in 69/70 and later was around the Oregon branch of GE.

[luvndrumn]

oh an by the way,, we love wackos,, we call them entertainment... ;)Yeah, but they're good-hearted wackos - I was thinking of the other kind. N besides, you got gunz!:eek:

[luvndrumn]

Glad to see U face darlin'Howdy, ma'am.


Too damn hot to be other there..Yeah, it's stinkin hot here, too. So hot, in fact, that some folks went a little nutzo trying to get cheap iPod laptop computers that were the surplus of a local school system. Baby stroller got crushed. A baby stroller! WTF!:mad: Dad got baby out just in time. Old man with a walker got trampled. Some folks need "Louisville Slugger" tatooed across their foreheads, I think.


Oh, sorry for the threadjack.:&

[shameless_heifer]

Sug.. That's the one I know.. I don't know about scootertramp tho..

Hillbilly.. we are all bros and sisters here in spirit.

Luvn.. we have to fill in the gaps don't we.. wink wink..

[shameless_heifer]

A Baby Carrage.. has the world gone MAD..

[luvndrumn]

Oh, shameless, we know the world's BEEN mad - just some push the envelope. Or it could just be the herding instinct?

[scootertrampphoto]

Ranger, Thats sounds like the only Whitey that I know. We were trailer trash ( to some people ) in west Phoenix and then I spent time on Cole St. while he was there. Shameless Heifer, there ain't much to know about this scootertramp, he rides free, travels far, and makes his living taken pictures. Mostly Harleys, hot rods, and Hippies. Trow in a touch of Gods work ( beautiful scenery ) and I'm a happy camper. PS: I was Charley Blackbeard and Butlers pardner ( along with the rest of those present at the time ) in Nederlands and Arizona in the early 70s.

[scootertrampphoto]

Luvndrumn, Shameless Heifer, Thanks for the warning, I've gotten more email since I put too much info in there than I have in the last year. I may be slow, but I ain't stupid. Thanks for the education.

[luvndrumn]

Oh, but think of all the friends you've made! heh heh...

Yeah, man, it's a wild world out in the ether (the net). And this place is no different.

[shameless_heifer]

I never knew Whitey was in Phoenix, I went to Phoenix in 74 and lived for a yr or two out there by Indain School and 12th St. with my sister. I had my daughter Amy there at Maricopa County in 75.. Diane and Shills lived with me there for a while and Count, Jimmy and GaGa came to see me there. We all ended up going back to the Haight after we had a run in with the law.

[scootertrampphoto]

S.H. It was about 73-74 that a group of STP & GE lived in a little trailer park off Grande Ave in Glendale. Little Rusty, Whitey, Blonde Bobby and Billy G. are the only names that I can recall ( something to do with being there, CRS! ). I do remember that a few of the people that we stayed with on Cole St. were there, also. My 3rd. son was born there in 74. Aw..yes, the friends that I made with puttin to much info on the web. One new friend, he explained to me that I needed to get right with the Lord. I told him that I used to party with Lord, and we never had a problem other than fighting over a bottle of Red Port. ( I actually liked that stuff ) I ask him if he knew how I could get ahold of him, I don't think he new the same Lord. Another wanna be new friend, a beautiful young lady of 14 years wanted me to come free her. She even sent me a picture. So I wrote her back, with picture included, explaining to her that I'm a 67 year old young fart. And if the law didn't bust me for being a pervert ( which I've been accused of ), that I probably would have a heart attact anyway. Those were just 2 of many emails from new friends. All I want is to find my old family.

[Rita]

Howdy and Hugs Scooter, happy you are here!

[scootertrampphoto]

Howdy Rita, Meeeeee too, Thank you very much!

[hippiestead]

Does anyone rememer a brother named Tommy Rush? he had another handle back in the day but we can't remember what it was. Anyway some of the old Family came to Austin a few years back & took Tommy to an STP reunion, he's been in a much healthier state of mind since.

[Mangy]

Scootertramp,
I'm leav'n out the "photo" part of your name. It's to long for me to keep typing. Don't mean to confuse you, but it's me, SafetyPin. I'm not consciously following you around the net, but whatever it is I don't mean any harm. Worn out from reading the posts on this forum, and then trying to figure out how to register. Know a little more than last time. What'dya think of my new name. Howdy to the others in this forum too!

[HeadCraft]

Hippiehillbilly , them was revolutionary times bro. The clenched fist of the Panthers as a simble of the power of unity was as common among all peoles of the left as the peace sign. Peace was the prefered lifestyle, but selfdefence was never ignored. The true pacifists were a smaller minority than folks seem to think. At one point Police Chief Nelder was quoted in the paper as saying that the Haight Ashbury was the most heavely armed neighborhood in the entire country and he wasn't far wrong. Them was Revolutionary Times!
ya, i remember the STPs in miami beach '72 repub convention...i was in the first demonstration on sunday where about 250 of us got corralled in front of the convention center & taken to dade-metro detention center in u- & ez haul trucks...Flamingo Park rocked, until the night of the nomination when the NG herded as many of us as possible back in the Park, set-up perimeter & had heli's lobbin' salt 'n' pepper gas at us from 100 foot hovers. WHAT A TRIP THAT NITE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scootertrampphoto]

Hi YAll, Scootertramp is back online and still looking for family thats still above gruond.

[shameless_heifer]

WB Scooter Tramp

[smelltheroses]

The last I saw the STP family, they were camping out around Ward, CO. That was around 71 and I didn't really relate to that group, personally, so I have no idea where they went after that. But maybe some of them are still there or someone is who does know, you could check it out, but you would probably have to go there to get anyone to talk to you. I'm not sure how many of those neighbors hang out online, when many of them don't even have electricity. :)

[ChrisWah]

Yo This is Chris Wah

Looks like the post here is a year old!

Butler and Nancy Lived in my bus back in 75-76 before the tragic fire when the kids died. It was a sad time but many things moved on.

I see mention of Mouseman in other post and others who are old memories of mine.

I was with the Stp Fam when me Gregwah Candy-o (my sister) were in Boulder way back.

We were up at buccanear ridge(I still cannot spell) when many of the fam was there and in the house in Boulder.

We also were stomping around Peaceful Valley back then and I lived in the cave in the back of the Valley before Gregwah and I took over the little Cabin that Sargent Peppers had lived in. He gave me and Greg the word to move into the Cabin. This was before the tragic fall down the mineshaft that any of the family who was around then remembers.

Wabbit, Mike MF, and many of the crew were around in those days

This was before we went to SF and the Cole Street houses!! Then hooked up with the EPP WPs and The Hog Farmers in the Oakland house! Stacy is still there I think???? Intersteller perpellers and all I expect

Then we went back up to Orygun where we lived for a long time. That is where Butler and Nancy lived in my and Sheila's Bus. It was outside of Euguene on the Springfield side near the Kesey yougert farm.

We were in Southern Orygun up Tiller side at the spot and the Whirlpools!

I have memories and some of us are indeed above dirt but I still spilll my firts sip of drink on the ground for all the brothers and sisters who are under for them and their memories!

Chriswah

[ChrisWah]

Also re Boulder Officer Chastian took many of us off the streets when ever he could but we always were b ack in a flash and at Caynon Liquior for some Platt Valley in a NY second, up to eddie spaggittis pool hall to see who was hanging on the HILL and panhandel some money for the grub needed from the College folks! This was after Stp John had been shot at the frat house party!

Also re the Haight remember the STREET WATCH/Street patrol??

[scootertrampphoto]

ChrisWah, I started this forum in search of Charlie Blackbeard, Butler, Iz, Wab Or anybody that knows their whereabouts. Wabbit passed away in Tucson { got that from Morgan } Heard somewhere that Butler died. Don't know if that's true. Would like to hear back from any family. Cliff

[ChrisWah]

Scotter did you know any of the Boulder Family who went down to Las Vegas/Las Cruses(sp) NM into the Sangre De Cristos back around 72 as I recall?

Sargent Peppers Died In Colorado but I think I posted that here. Charlie BB, Chuck MF and Mike MF actually more than a few went to SF as I recall. Then some on to Orygun, I let Butler and Nancy live in my Bus up in Orygun in 75 way later than original Boulder days. I went to Hawaii for a time out if you know what I mean.... Nabor went up to Alaska and is still there.

Daisy Mae went from Boulder to Orygun then to Texas I THINK Diane went to SF as I recall

I heard Wab had passed too not sure where I heard it. Also LTD showed up in Portland I heard a couple years ago maybe? I think I heard something about LB but can not remember what I heard. I will try to remember as much as I can and try to get in touch with Candy-O and she what she knows.

Oh yeah did you know JD, Greg, Buddy, Boogie Joe all around 71-73 arrivals who started up Hit and Run Jam
Band.

TC Keep riding if you can!

[jailmate]

duh wut happined 2 duh STP?

[shameless_heifer]

I'm in touch with JD and Greg, They stayed with me in Oregon when I had a little house in Days Creek. I think it was 73 ish.

I remember the Platt Valley in the little crock jugs with the cork in it, straight corn mash, made ya wanna Hi-De-Ho. I bought a jug years ago when I moved back to TX but it just wasn't the same, I guess it was the company that made it so special.
sh

[ChrisWah]

SH where in Days Creek next to the Store?

Remember Amos

So I see we check both sites!!

LOL

So One thing though Not Gregwah unless you have contact with the other side as Gregwah was my closest running partner and he tragically died on my place in Hawaii/Molokai was shot while Hunting by Willie 1979. I was up in Tiller when it happened

It was way fu(*$ up as GregWAH was not even going to be there BUT I had "the 80" (the way we refered to my place on Cow Creek actually 108 acres) and I had the place in Hawaii. I took GregWAH over to show him the place and he said that he wanted to do the season there as it was so amazing and he knew that Sheila was not going put up with another year in the Bus now that we had the two places and I had the Blue House in Tiller. It is a LONG story that I will gladly share but not here.

JD knows me real well eventhough we have not seen each other in years!!

I hear he is married again with a 12 year old and his first Daughter Mellisa is married to a RoseBurg LD I think???

Funny story going way back with Jd we were hitching from Boulder to the east coast and we had our pups. His was named Oblieo and we got into a car on the Ohio Pike and we noticed that we did not have Oblieo!! We had left her at the exit where we got picked up!! We got out hitched back about 50 60 miles and we found her and then proceeded back to D.C as I recall!!

Ask JD as he will remember a LOT of stuff!

Next time you talk to him tell him I am fighting lymphomia but it ain't going to get me and that me and Sheila are good on 31 years now and the Boys are GROWN UP! Tell him Tiller (my youngest yes born in Tiller) is the Guitar songwriter

We need to stop meeting like this!! lol KIDDING!

[shameless_heifer]

Chris the place I had in Days Creek was the old school marm's house, just a one roomer with a bathroom, It was next to the little school, I had to haul water from the school to flush with..lol.. JD and Greg stayed with me and Jomie there for a couple of weeks, we were pickin' plums for cash I don't remember excatly where, but I got sick with something and hadda go to the hospital for several days n they took care of Jomie for me.

I do hope it was not the same Greg, I thought that JD had said he was still with us, but I may be mixed up on that. I will ask when I talk to him again.

I show up in the everywhere in the garden, where it interest me, I moderate this forum and two others in personal forums, I asked for this forum. It aint ez either...lol.. I don't recon I will ever change, I'm still learnin' but I don't see no change comin' soon.

I hate to hear you have lymphoma. I will dig into my books and see if there is somethings I can suggest for you to take to help ya get that taken care of. First off I can tell ya ta drink gallons of apple juice and lemon water (not mixed together but throughout the day).PawPaw (capsules) and Pau D'Arco Tea. I will email you the rest it after you get back.

Bright Blessings Chris
sh

[SafetyPin]

01/16/2007
Just thought I'd stop by to say hello. I've been out of touch for the last seven months. I knew some STPers on the east coast back in the early seventies. Believe it or not I considered them cousins.

[Snoopy]

Any of you old hippies find this yet?

http://stp.freeservers.com/

or

http://www.angelfire.com/tv/buzzards/index.html

[Snoopy]

?ChrisWah, I started this forum in search of Charlie Blackbeard, Butler, Iz, Wab Or anybody that knows their whereabouts. Wabbit passed away in Tucson { got that from Morgan } Heard somewhere that Butler died. Don't know if that's true. Would like to hear back from any family. CliffWhat are you going to do if you are the last one left, Cliff?

[SafetyPin]

The STP Family is like the Shakers. The Shakers were a sect of the Quakers who unlike the Quakers did not believe in having children, marriage but not sex. Because of this they relied on adopting children to keep themselves going, but unfortunately since they couldn't adopt enough children, they died out.

The STP Family (none of them will read this far) isn't a biological family but they do have children. Problem is they don't even want their own children to be STPers. STPers chose each other as family, brothers and sisters more than 35 years ago but since then no one new has joined the familly. No one new, no one younger than the originals. As a matter of fact they rarely talk to or have anything to do with anyone but themselves, not even other families that were similar to them. Yes, unfortunately they are definitely going to die out.

[SafetyPin]

The STP Family today is not unlike most of the rest of the hippies of the late 60's and early 70's. They have moved back into mainstream America.

Today they have families of their own, husbands and wives, children and grand children; they drive cars; own their own houses; pay their bills and go to work every morning...

[SafetyPin]

... And much like the rest of mainstream America, today when an STPer is put down he or she takes it. He or she does not have enough self respect to defend themselves!

[shameless_heifer]

saftypin, are you having a bad day or are you just felling frisky

[SafetyPin]

not sure which, I guess a little of both, difficult for me to realize that someone had enough respect for themselves to ask. I know the STPers are struggling and even in the midst of their struggles they're still good people. I hope that doesn't go to your heads STPers, there's still a long road ahead.

[shameless_heifer]

I don't believe that it's because no one cares or has any self respect, it's a matter of choosing your battles..

After the GE dismatled in the 80s there was no place left to go in The Haight for extended family to hang.. the protection was gone, the streets were filled with junkies, pimps and ripoffs.

Now ppl are more caucious of what they expose their old bodies too.. we don't heal like we use to.. al lot of ones left unenchanted bc there was n love left on a street call haight.. where do you go after you've been to the Moon.

The fight we fought left some of us ragged and tired of all the BS, we just want to live our lives in peace. The few remaining years we do have left is more personalized in taking care of your own kids/g-kids and stay out of the mans way.

I know I don't want to spend the reat of my days in prison, or broke down on some backroad to nowhere.

Who taught the children and what did they teach/preach... the word was Love back then, the work is fuck now.. quite a difference aint it.

[SafetyPin]

shameless heifer,

Your historical perspective is a little different from mine. I never lived in the Haight but I did live in the East Village back in the late 60’s early 70’s and from what I’ve heard, both experiences were similar.

The thing is that the mass media in the mid 70’s, early 80’s began to create the impression that in the Haight the junkies, the rip off artists and the pimps had taken over the neighborhood; and that they besieged the hippies that were left.

What people don’t realize is that those neighborhoods where we lived were always filled with junkies, rip-off artists, and pimps; the hippies were besieged by them right from the start. We used to say that you hadn’t been initiated into the neighborhood unless you had been ripped off at least once.

People who hadn’t been there used to think that only hippies lived in the East Village, I used to tell them that it was a Puerto Rican ghetto, mostly Puerto Ricans, a lot of blacks and a few white hippies. You have to keep in mind though that although the Puerto Ricans and blacks didn’t exactly roll out the welcome mat for us we did live in their neighborhoods. We were just doing our thing for a time where they lived.

Choosing your battles? STPers not wanting to fight anymore? STPers just wanting to be left alone? I don’t think any of these are in the nature of the STP spirit. STPers never “wanted” to fight but when anyone threatened their way of life an STPer would jump into the fray. They’d fight anyone and everyone if you pushed them too far. They wanted to participate in life, not be left out of it.

But when you get older, you can’t always fight physically anymore so you have to devise other ways to do it. It’s not really choosing your battles but knowing what means you want to use when you fight. No one ever really gives up fighting. It’s a human thing. It’s in you until you die. STPers are no exception.

By the way, love is still the "word" among some of us.

[SafetyPin]

I knew Crackerjack, OJ, and Zap from the street in NYC. Jax doesn't remember me and won't give me his addy but he's alive and lives in Florida somewhere. OJ died some years back and Zap is looking over graves (presumedly of STP brothers and sisters that died) somewhere, possibly Boulder. Jax and OJ were in Boulder too. I wanted to go but never made it. I was never STP but I loved them like my own family.

In the early days when the Family got started back in NYC they had a loft (actually you had to go "down" several steps to get to it) on third street. The Hell's Angels lived on the same block and they used to front the Family marijuana and LSD which they took themselves and sold to pay the rent for the loft. At that time there was a guy called STP Billy running the loft. Just thought some of you STPers who weren't there might want to know.

[ChrisWah]

Hey Saftypin

What about the place on on 2nd street? for some reason that is the place I remember crashing when I was there in the care of others (as I was one young puppy)on the way back from woodstock? I also knew Crackerjack and we did some hanging out and also spent time togather in Boulder. I remember a lot of meeting up at St Marks Sq?? to go do the daily things back then?? It was a long time ago and from there I was off to Boulder and beyond? As far as standing up for what we thought did it a bunch lost my front teeth to so vigys up past Boulder when they tried to get us out of there. We stayed lol

wah

[SafetyPin]

Hi ChrisWah,

I read your post last nite and I meant to get back to you then but I suffered an attack of apathy. I remember when the establishment used to accuse the hippies of being apathetic? The truth is that the hippies were interested in all kinds of things but the establishment wasn't interested/could care less about much of anything. When they saw that there were some people still left in the world who were interested in things (the hippies) it made them feel bad, so to ease there consciences they accused the hippies of the very thing that they felt guilty of themselves. That way they wouldn't have to hold themselves accountable. I guess now we've all learned. It ain't so bad to be apathetic. Poor cusses in the establishment couldn't live with themselves over it, but we all learned, it isn't that bad.

Anyhow, congratulations for staying with your significant other for so many years and I hope you can beat your lymphoma. You've had a lot of tragedy in your life but you had a lot of good stuff too. I guess that's what you call living your life rather than just watching it go buy.

By the way, I got punched in the head a couple times myself back in the day, sometimes I punched back. I don't know about you but back then it wasn't just the pigs who didn't like us, it was most of the counterculture too. What made it worth it was that there was something special about the handful of people who did like us, the people who did everything they could to stick with us just because we were who we were. You can't ask for more than that.

I don't remember much about second street. I lived on first street for a time though with some people I don't care to remember.

Later, cuz

[ChrisWah]

Hi Saftypin

Funny you should comment on the "Hippie" ideal and types. There were actually some back then that were not really hippies at all just hanger on and were into the 'COOL THING" of the time and represented nothing. as you may recall the STP unspoken philosophy was to take advantage of these "PLAYERS" as some of us really had to survive and some things had to be stood up for and you needed to count on your partner/brother/sister to make sure you progressed through each day sometimes. We were accused of taking advantage of some of these type "PLAYERS" back then and sometimes we got a bad rap for wrong reasons. I as a young urchin of 16 and on the street had to be able to survive while I mentally challenging almost every moment of each day and apathy did not compute for me! A LOT of the Folks who were hangers back then really could enjoy life with the EYES WIDES SHUT and I needed to keep mine open all the time.

We also did our our stupid things but at least we were not just blowing smoke to be "COOL". There were those days when we may not have represented peace and love as that was NOT what was needed at the time!! Everyone who has made it to here has figured out how to survive and I KNOW that those of us who were living on the streets or part of disperate (not DESPARATE) famlies were not interested in the COOL JERK mentality at the early beginnings of our Journeys.

BUT I do think that Peace and more so LOVE is what has made it able for me to hold fast to the good and shed the bad and make the best of every minute when we try!

WOW that was a wild post sorry there Saftypin!

MUST BE THE MEDS!!

[SafetyPin]

Sorry ChrisWah if this is http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/memorysMA16354682-0001.jpga little obnoxious posting my ugly self right in the middle of a serious discussion but I get such a kick out of this computer stuff, that every time I figure out how to do something new I get like a little kid and show off what I've learned to everyone whether they're interested or not. Obviously I learned how to post my picture in one of these chat sites and now I'm showing off my new "skill."

Hey ChrisWah. I knew a lot of run aways kids/men &women when I was in the city. One of the few ways I have always been fortunate is that I was not a runaway. I lived at home until I was legal (eighteen) and then I went off to college. Wasn't until I dropped out of college that I had to start facing life on my own. Sorry that you had to do it at such an early stage in your life, but it seems like you turned out alright. You got thru it!

I knew some of those people you spoke of who were just "hangers on" with "Cool Jerk mentalities" who "represented nothing" (I already made mention of some people I lived with on first street that I don't care to remember) but I took them a little more seriously than you did. To me they represented danger and generally they were the ones who took advantage of me, not the other way around. They were like cloak and dagger people dressed up in hippy clothing and acting like hippies too, and I think they considered themselves the real hippies, and I think most people agreed with them and still do. Sad in a way isn't it. If you have a better perspective on it, which I'm sure you do, let me know what it is.

I couldn't put my finger on it but I detected an undercurrent of anger in your post. If it was directed at me, I can understand why. You probably read my previous posts and couldn't figure out whose side I was on. I'm on your side believe me, but there are differences of a opinion, squables and fights even among people in the same family. Brothers sometimes fight with brothers, brothers sometimes fight with sisters, siters fight with sisters, fathers fight with sons, sons fight with mothers, daughters fight with mothers and fathers fight with daughters so a little anger between people who aren't even part of the same family ought to be understandable.

I can't figure out how to rap this post up or tie it together so I'll just end it.

Sorry about the typos or what ever you call those things that were in my last post. I typed the post up in my word processor first and then cut it and pasted it to the site. So I went back and edited it, just those weird doohickies that were in it. I think it might be a little easier to read now. I have to learn to stop doing that.

Take care brother or cousin as I would prefer to say.

[shameless_heifer]

Hi y'all just popped in to make a comment or two,or three :-)

I was 16 when I hit The Haight too. Hitched a ride from conservitive Anahiem Cali right smack up into Haight Ashbury 1966. I have no idea why I came.. I was just called, or pulled in that direction. I said goodbye to my family and friends , left the husband that beat me while I was tripping on LSD-25 ( he died in nam right before our divorce was final in 67) Hopped on the first 18 wheeler that was going to San Francisco and began my life without the pregidists that came with being different from the other people around you.

I did not think about why I was going. I just knew that's where I had to be to live my life the way I chose to live it. I was seeking Spiritual Enlightenment, asking the ultimite question of Being. I was confused aboutmy purpose as a woman, I sure did not want to live in Babalonia and be stuck in a housewife/slave situation the rest of my life, being subservient to the superior male bull shit.

It was like a call to the wild, something deep inside me, something trible was beconning me to come and fulfill my destiny. Like I said I was 16 and really didn't know shit except how to keep my mouth shut and be still and listen.

I as grew into the Haight, I became part of it. The people with their bright colors flying brilliantly as waves of smiling faces past you on the street Love built. The Love was thick in the air, as people hugged and laughed with joy and splendor at being alive and celebrating each moment in harmony with the universe.

It did not matter from where you came or who your daddy was, it was a gathering of the souls who wanted change in their lives and could not agree to what policy was or the standard of living.

We were all family wanting the same things, to be free to choose what ever it was we wanted to do with our lives. We did not want to harm or be harmed. But as things go in life not everyone shared that feeling of Love and Unity.

Altho we canged so many things we did not change the Hippies, or the fear that Babalonia held against us. They felt threatened by our Love, Peace and Hippie Beads. They did not understand why we would want to live in hovals and dress absurdly contradicting the Normal behavior of their world.

They wanted to conqure us, but could not fight the Spirit within us.

If you knew anything about the biginnings, you know it was a scam.. at first it was to take what you needed and leave the rest.. some got greedy and wanted it all.

Look at The Pranksters and Diggers. They pressured and intimadated the merchants into giving them free products to feed the mases then taking it and dumping it in the panhandle like slopping the hogs and laugh at the hungry people eating it off the ground.

It came to take what you can get instead of sharing and giving. Thats when the Love died on Haight Street and you had to relay on your 'family' if you had one.. iffen ya didn't you had better get one.

It got to where a sister could't walk up to Haight to the store without being hit in the head with a brick and mugged for her foodstamps. Yeah.. it was time to start fighting back and protecting ourselves from all forms of attacks. Even from within.

If we did Play anyone it was bc they were offering.. we never mugged anyone. They always got what they wanted too.. The experience of a life time.

We all used one another.. drawing off of each others energy. It was always give and take. When the babies started coming and there was not enough to share, people went their own ways for the survival of their families.

What ever our lives plans are we are doing them. We did what we did in The Haight and around the world and grew from the doing/being of it. What we do now is what will shape our future.

Lets bring the Love back home.

Bright Blessings
sh

[ChrisWah]

LOL Saftypin you look good man I noticed the tie on the chair in the background!! for those special meetings??

NO ANGER here sorry if it came off like that I was trying to relate how back then there were so so many DIFFERENT type of folks who liked to hold up the "HIPPIE" banner when it suited them so to speak! lol

Alls good made it to here now need to make it to tommorrow lol

All is good here!

SH I can so so relate to your post (execpt the divorce part) as I left at 16 from a Retired Marine corp/Turned Control Data VEEP household In the Extended burbs of Washington D.C. without any idea where I would end up. I did go back to see how things were and tell my mom I was alive after about 2 years (18 now so I was LEGALLY of age lol lol lol) on the road only to have my sister ask me to please take her on the road with me ASAP. She had been put into the REFORM SYSTEM of the State of Maryland by our Dad and was out and at home after 3 months in Waxters and two in MCC ( Juvie prison ) being at "HOME" then was almost as bad a JUVIE PRISON. We left the next day and I brought here out to Boulder and from there to the Haight where she stayed and I went back up to ORYGUN. That was why I asked if you remembered her the RED HEAD named CANDY she lived in the houses Upper (across from Dunkleys as I recall) Cole, Lower Cole St House by the Oak street house and I am sure she was in the Underhouse for a while too, for like the next two to three years at least it seems as I recall. Cody her son was born there.

Do you remember the Last two years I think it was when the WHITE Panthers were now in the house???


peace/love

ww

[shameless_heifer]

Chris, I had to flee The Haight with CPS snappin' @ my heels in 73'. I had been in Ash Valley for a visit and on returnin' to GE, underhouse, it was abandonded and torn part when me n Jomie got there. I groped around in the dark till I located our room and me n Jomie crawled into a broken bed and went to sleep, we were tired from the trip down from Orygun.. the lights were out and I couldn't see anything. I didn't know where everyone was at or why there was no light and things were all ascatter.

I soon found out when the pigs came bustin' in n draged me n Jomie off kickin' and screamin' to City Prison. When they released me five days later, I had to find Jomie, found him in Child Haven and my and a good sister took re-posession of Jomie and CPS didn't like our method so I had to take Jomie and flee.. we later returned and found GE dismantled there came a transition where the White Panthers.. Oak Street House was headquarters for WP, around 74ish then a certian person had showed up that got involved with the Black Panthers and wanted control of GE the food cooop, the recycling center on Haight Strret and all the holding GE had... there was a big rucus and the BPs cut the dude loose and Kid and The Hole In The Wall Gang ( Haight Strret House) ran him outta dodge in 74/75'. I had left the city again with CPS hot on my trail and moved to AZ for a time and had my daughter.

I came back to GE in 77 and most of the old timers were gone to.. well, you know.
Every thing had changed.. there was new unfriendly faces in our once close knit family. The Harmony had gone and been replaced with negitivity. again I fled from the relentless CPS, this time never to return.

I was not lettin' cps take my babies bc they didn't agree with my lifestyle.

I moved back to where my roots were and have been livin; a quiet life here on the farm, with my loving flamily all around me and grand babies by the score. I have been blessed.

Bright Blessing to you my friend.

saftypin.. all is good..

sh

[ChrisWah]

Yep that was the end of any peace and love and when the WP thing started rolling big. Everthing I mean everything changed and I stopped comming by to see who was around when I hitched into Haight.

That time line makes a lot come back to mind for me too. I had left the Haight/Orygun/Boulder to go back east Winter of 71. When I took Candy back out it was now 1972 we were in Boulder till that Winter then to the Haight where she met up with the flo and stayed that was 73. So you missed her time there as Cody was born into all the wild changes that were happening then so now I see why your paths did not cross a lot! Sheila and I were tight and my sister was not that close to Sheila.

Sheila and I went up to Orygun never being more than visitors to the Famlies houses. Sheila and I went from Milo/Tiller to over the Mountain and I got the 108 acres on Little Cow Creek ,One of the tributarys of the S. Umpqua Greg and Daisy came over the Mountain with us. Then Sheila wanted to get married!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We had our one son Ryland at the time whom you may have seen as an infant??

We went back to D.C. area for her mom to marry, things were now way different. I took my bus for one more run left it in Orygun (that is when we let Butler Live in the bus and we went to Hawaii) pregnant again. Then back to SETTLE for a while in Orygun. Did not visit the Haight as often at all after that. Life had changed the kids were comming now (being born we had delivered Caleb our second on the farm in Milo) and we were pregnant with our third (who became Tiller) and now I was a farmer. and it was 1976. A LOT of the GE and others were comming up to Orygun. I had the 108 acres and the Little Blue House in Tiller on the way up to AV about 3/4 mile up from the turn before the bridge to the Forest Service on the river. My Bus was semi-permantaly-parked at the Whrilpools about 5 miles below AV.

Made a few more trips after that to the haight but is was changed and I now had my LIFE FAMILY (Me Sheila the Kids) and the few of us in ORYGUN who were called the WAH family now. My efforts went into that as a life! A new trip had begun on the long amazing/strange/happy/sad/growing always journey!!

[luvione]

Hippiestead, I know this is old, but I just got here. I know Tommy well. Uh, nobody "came" and got him, some of us actually live in Austin. Unfortunetly also, Tommy is very sick, he is wet brained to the point of not bein able to remember what ya sd to him 1 minute before. It's very sad.He also has no clue he has a tumorous cancer in his belly.So, thats the up side of no memory for him, he feels no pain from it either. Amazeing! Sorry to share bad news, by the way, Hi I'm lovione! Where are ya these days? I cruise alot myself.

Peace,Light & Love,, *

[hippiestead]

Thank you for the info Lovione even as sad as it is...last time we saw Tommy he was doing so well, it was a big enough change that a lot of us Drag folks thought that some kind of magic had happened....Tommy & his batoosy eyes <OO> one of Tommy's running mates from the Drag, Malcolm, just passed away recently...not much of the old crew left

What's very cosmic here is that we haven't been checking Back to the Garden very much lately...we mostly post on the Rainbow forum, or more correctly Cinnamon from the hippiestead (me). JuJu has been too busy with his music & digital art to forum chat. I pretty much run our MySpace page these days too, same moniker, hippiestead In non-cyber terms we're out in Bastrop County these days, found a little slice of paradise where they don't bitch about the bus (& don't bitch about the 4 other busses we've accrued since buying our 2 100ftx300ft pieces of land) JuJu still sells on the Drag if the weather is right but we sell tie dyes now instead of jewelry.

[luvione]

Very Cool for you. I am a S. girl, dont get down to the drag much these days. I was at Malcolms service in Pease Park. Lots of folks runnin around ol Bastrop these days. I am gonna have to make it to the gathering myself this yr. Ya ever hit the barn dances?
Marias Taco xpress for hippie church?

[luvione]

Hey Ya Snoopy,

Ol Buzz has a pretty cool thing goin on there! The pics on a site Josh & Butler put togethor, got messed with, so nice to see some photos that were deleted!

[hippiestead]

Very Cool for you. I am a S. girl, dont get down to the drag much these days. I was at Malcolms service in Pease Park. Lots of folks runnin around ol Bastrop these days. I am gonna have to make it to the gathering myself this yr. Ya ever hit the barn dances?
Marias Taco xpress for hippie church?
Leather Mark was at Malcolm's service...we were ther in spirit

Me'n'JuJu are pretty reclusive these days, we're so far from everything that we only go to town once a week and cram everything into that one day. I almost never go to Austin on the Saturdays that JuJu sells at the Drag but I do go to Bastrop's Pine Street Mkt Day & Smithville's 1st Satuday with him. Yeah lots of folks in Bastrop Co. & we're scattered about all over the place!

[Little John]

Howdy y'all! Just happened on this site--looks like there's a few people I know floating around here too!

I grew up with STP Family after running away from home at 13 in 1973. Like others here, I'm also in touch with a few family and friends of family from the old days.

It's screwed up about Tom Rush being so messed up now. He was doing good for awhile in 1999/2000. My wife and I were the ones who "kidnapped" him and took him to Oklahoma in 1999 for the STP Family Reunion at Patti's place. After the reunion Tom stayed with us in Austin for a couple of months and quit drinking. He was doing real well, and did real well for around 11 months. Then he hit the streets again. I've known that guy since I was 13--I hate to hear how sick he is.

[hippiestead]

Wow, so y'all were who Tommy was with then!!! He really did look good after he quit drinking. <oo>

[Little John]

Yep, that was us. LOL! He wasn't real house broke after so many years on the streets. There were a lot of things we had to teach him about living in a house and with a family. One night at dinner when he went to reach his hands in a bread bag I casually asked him if he'd washed his hands, and you could have heard a pin drop. The kids (Ariel was 10 and Carena was 6) just looked at him. He paused with his hand halfway into the bread bag and said "This morning." Everyone just looked at him and didn't say a word. Then he said "I ain't used them for nothing..." Again no one said a word, and he got quietly up, went to the sink, and washed his hands. He grew a lot living with us, we took him to meetings with us, and he learned how to stay clean from alcohol. But after a few months he went to the VA Domilicary (sp?) in Temple, then a few months after that he decided it just wasn't worth it and he went back to drinking. Last time I talked to some Washington family they said he was pretty sick, and almost any day I expect to get the news that he's gone.

[Little John]

BTW, in answer to the question about Butler, he did pass away a few years ago.

[luvione]

Hi ya'll,
Like I sd it is sad he is sick, but then again he doesnt know it. A strange blessing indeed. After Tom left Tx. he went to Wa. and everyone there did some kind of time and energy giving to him. He did go to the 2001 gathering in Idaho, and I was drivin the bus for our brother Oklahoma, Tom sat behind me, goin down the lewiston grade,while pullin on my hair, singing, he loved to sing, " lil baby wanna be" takes gump for me to admitt that so publickly for all of you who have no clue to who I am, JOHN, u know! And I have a million other stories, but yes he looked wonderful for 11 months thanks to Lil John and his family. Tom is very loved by a whole lotta people. Including me,, I love you Lil John,,, now lil John here has been a very good and busy brother. I personally thank love for him! Well, I never seem to have the time to really get busy here, still babysittin!! Love to all, I will be in touch soon Hippiestead,,, love and light,,

[hippiestead]

more Tommy stories please! In person stories would be nice too...we have a strange schedule in April tho...April 14th we'll be in Smithville for Jamboree & on April 28 we'll be in Bastrop for Yesterfest..the 7th & the 21st should be Austin days but weather can change everything, this Sat, should be an Austin day but not with a 70% chance of rain.

[Little John]

Hippiestead, would love to meet y'all and share stories! Our April is pretty crazy too, we'll be out at Old Settlers Music Fest April 19-22.

[hippiestead]

Old Settlers? It's ringing a bell but not quite loudly enough. Where's that & do they have arts & crafts vendors? Little John, you or luvione are welcome to private message us...just left click on hippiestead & you'll see the private message option

[SafetyPin]

I don't mean to butt in but how did you all come to congregate in Austin?

[shameless_heifer]

I am very sad to hear of Butler's passing.. I knew Butler from the Haight, he was a good brother.

There was someone in here that called himself Butler, I messaged him and asked if he was indeed the same Butler I knew from the Good Earth. He answered back and said he was the same Butler.. then he said to me.. you look sexy.. I knew then he was Not Butler but that crud kid runing around acting stupid..

Butler would have never said that to me like that .. he wouldda grabed me up and hugged the stuffins from me and called me Cakes..good grief.. I am 56 yrs old.. I may look alright for my age, but sexy went down the drain with the wrinkle cream :) No it was not Butler, Butler had more class..

It is fine to want to be like someone but to say your someone who has passed over is a big fat No No and will get you kicked off the wanna be list and onto the asshole jerkoff list.

I would like to go to more fests/gatherings but most of them are so far away, we would have to be gone a week or more to attend them. Sometimes having so much can keep you from just picking up and getting in the wind.. not that we are material people.. we are simple farmers that lead a quiet life..well excpet for the trauma drama that living life brings.. it's just not easy to get out and away.. the spring is when there is the most work to be done..the calfing,kidding,pupping, the plowing,tilling and planting. not to mention the unmentionables :) Then the summer comes and more work to do shreding, weeding, hoeing, picking.. we do take fishing trips to the lake 5 miles down the road, we stay from one to three weeks depending on iffen the fishes are biten, but still close enough to run over and feed or whatever..still I miss the brotherhood that seems to rejuvenate the Spirit. there are not many beautiful people that stays here in this county.

Perhaps I will be able to blast my hubbys roots loose enough to get him to do some traveling soon.

Bright Blessings to All

sh

[SafetyPin]

.. the spring is when there is the most work to be done..the calfing,kidding,pupping, the plowing,tilling and planting. not to mention the unmentionables :) Then the summer comes and more work to do shreding, weeding, hoeing, picking..
sh[/QUOTE]
No wonder my father gave up the farm and that was only an egg farm. I never realized how much work it was. I was only 7 at the time.

[Little John]

Shameless Heifer, the last time I saw Butler, the real Butler, was at the STP Family Reunion in Oklahoma in 2000. He died a few years ago due to a weird set of medical complications. I believe he had 14 years clean at the time, and I know he would have had no problem whatsoever with me saying that. He was an awesome bro who helped change a lot of people's lives.


Safety Pin, beats me, some of us just kinda landed here. Austin was always a hangout for a lot of us in the old days so I guess some of us just gravitated back here.

Hippiestead, sent you a PM about Old Settlers.

Luvione, here's a big cyber hug. How's the new grandkid? Y'all need to come over and hang out some night.

Hope everyone's doing great!

[SafetyPin]

It's refreshing to hear a bunch of old time radicals doing their own thing.

[SafetyPin]

Here's something that might interest you. A North Easter has hit New Jersey today; that's where I live. It's supposed to go on all day today and clear out tomorrow. I haven't even looked out the window yet but from the sound of it there doesn't seem to be as much wind as I expected. A lota rain though, wouldn't be a nor'easter without it!

[SafetyPin]

And to think the only time I ever visited the STPers in their Loft on third street in the city back in the day, they guffawed, (not to my face, of course) that I looked like some kind of collegiate dude. Who's having the last laugh now, Little John.

NOTE: the pot I bought from them was OK though, so I didn't really care whether they thought I was collegiate looking or not.

Real shame you never went to High school though, Little John. You missed out on a whole lot. The entire experience was of so little significance to me that I can actually remember some of it. I can understand how you might feel though, when you miss out on something that practically everyone else has done, it can be painful to think about.


I live in Highland Park NJ, one town over and across the Raritan river from New Brunswick, home of Rutgers University.

[SafetyPin]

By the way, since when do you guys take ex-marines in the family. I must have underestimated u. You're more liberal, oops, I mean radical than I thought.

[SafetyPin]

U were once radicals? or U're radicals now? or Come to think of it u never really were that radical?

[SafetyPin]

What difference does it make if you're a radical or not, anyway!

[ChrisWah]

So So sorry that Butlers crossing has happened. He was a good man and in fact he had to deal with so so much more than many. The place he and Nancy moved into after my Bus was a place in (Springfield) Orygun as I recall. It burned down and two of the Children were in the house and they could not get them in time. Talk about having to deal with THINGS!

Take care Butler I will spill a bit more on the earth for you too! NON alchol but shareing still with all on the other side.

Wah

[ChrisWah]

Radical! Na......never!! lol

[ChrisWah]

Radical! Na......never!! lol

Bucannear(sp) Ridge, above Peaceful Valley CAMP OF LOVE! lol.

TC all
Wah

[ChrisWah]

Safty Pin

I think I asked you before...For some reason I remember the place on 2nd street but it has been a long time gone now and third is only one block over. No matter kept the weather off my YOUNG ass when I was pulled in for the week and fed both mind and body. Then moved on to Boulder and on ,on, on,................

wah

[SafetyPin]

ChrisWah,

I always say you can never be certain about anything, but I'm almost sure it was third street; the Hells Angels had their club house on the same block. Third street, between first and second Avenues.

You might be confusing 2nd street with 2nd Avenue. Second Ave was where Ratners was and on the other side, the abandoned Anderson theater. 2nd Ave was where a lot of hippies hung out when they were on the street. It was more of a business area then residential though. The Village Project was on 2nd Avenue.

Course I could be wrong about all this.

[SafetyPin]

I've been accused of monopolizing groups. I don't mean to do it; just can't help myself. So, what is the STP version of the song, "There's an Invitation Around the Nation." Is it, "there's an invitation around the nation for 'dancing' in the street" or is it, "there's an invitation around the nation for 'fighting' in the street."

Personally, I use them interchangeably, but since I can't dance anymore, I've been thinking more along the fighting lines. I like dancing too and I guess it's obvious how I feel about fighting, or not. ...'Shame what my life has come to, isn't it!

[SafetyPin]

Little John,

Thanks for your words of encouragement!

[SafetyPin]

Who is this guy scootertrampphoto, anyway? He claims to be part of the STP Family, but he says he's an ex-marine. Plus that, he say he wants to know where all these STPers that he once knew in Boulder and other parts are, but no STPers know him.

Now he's dropped off the site and here I am wasting my time trying to establish a connection to some old fart, (a little too old to have been in the STP Family), who doesn't even know who he is, and neither does anybody else!

[Snoopy]

Who is this guy scootertrampphoto, anyway? He claims to be part of the STP Family, but he says he's an ex-marine. Plus that, he say he wants to know where all these STPers that he once knew in Boulder and other parts are, but no STPers know him.

Now he's dropped off the site and here I am wasting my time trying to establish a connection to some old fart, (a little too old to have been in the STP Family), who doesn't even know who he is, and neither does anybody else!He signed his post "Cliff," but he never said anything about being a marine, did he? Sounds like a man without a family.

[SafetyPin]

I met him on another chat site in which some dude who claimed to be a biker, and who said he was in Boulder back in the day was trashing the Family.

Here's a direct quote from one of scootertrampphoto's/Cliff's posts on that site:

"Speaking for myself, my father was an offical for the goverment, with the Atomic Energy Commission. That is about as far right as you can get. He thought that I was a "commie" and that I should go back into the Marine Corp. and get my thinking straight."

The quote is taken out of context but it doesn't need to be in context to make it clear that he had been in the marine core.

[SafetyPin]

When Steve & Mona & I lived together on East 11th St., Steve used to wear a hunting knife in a sheath. That's a little unconventional even among STPers, isn't it, but not entirely unacceptable.

Although you don't deserve a response Snoopy, Yeah, it was from the Chatterbox site. So what!

[luvione]

Hey Lil John, Lovin ya back. Finally, I can say out loud,,, yes, I know some stp , yes I love them, and Shameless Heifer,,, Butler was a good bro. He was very funny, he was the only one who would write me dirty jokes, cuz I aint a chick to get offended easy, he sd! He & Morgan were jammin last time I was out in Ca.02 he could play a blues harp baby! I am missing Kerrville cuz I had to go back to Cali. to help some friends who called last minute! It's killin my heart, just for once I wish the universe would let me choose when and where and what I am to do! The fact that I met someone really groovy at old settlers has a wee bit to do with it. He a Kerrvite! John, Gwen was sayin before I left that she reallly should give ya'll a call. But she is not in charge,( naturally ya wont tell her I sd that!) I wish ya'd open a door, give her a call and I am sure she will make time to see ya'll. I want ya to see my pride and joy too! He is so cute, and she is such a good mamma! Ya havent met daughter #1s new dude yet, he is so different , like opposite of the last one! More like me actually! Tommorow I will know if and when I can come home to Tejas! Prayers that all goes well here, so I can go home are accepted!

RESISTANCE

of the Heart Against Business As Usual

( Bread & Puppet )

[SafetyPin]

luvione,

Is that oasis a place in your mind or is it a geographical location. I'm looking for both of them. (on the left hand side of your post underneath your join date it says: location: oasis in enemy territory)

By the way, my memory of the STPers is one of a group who was notorious for watching each others backs. When they were at their best they could give you a feeling of tranquillity and peace right in the middle of a violent city street. Maybe I'm giving them/you a little too much credit.

[luvione]

DUH! I live in a state thats mostly republican,, in the capital of sd. state. We are however blessed with many musicians, writers, teachers,ect., activism is huge. And us bein togethor makes it an oasis. Dig it?

[SafetyPin]

luvione,

do I detect a note of condescension. Are you STPers beleaguered by the good old police state. I was hoping you would be a buffer between me and them; you know, keep them off my back, push them outward so I could have some room to breathe. Seems like instead of you doing that, your letting the good old police state push you downwards on top of me. Peace and love just the same

[luvione]

I am changing the subject, I am crushed and devastated, and do not need to listen to somone who is rational only a wee bit of the time. Hope this finds all well.

[SafetyPin]

Yes luvione,

I am only rational a wee bit of the time, but never the less non biological families are the only thing in my life that have any importance to me.

[luvione]

Chris,,, talked to Danny today,, he sd he never followed through, mustve been busy. Sorry, I been at the Rainbow Mudfest! Nah, weird gathering though for sure. I'm back in ol austin for a weebit, will be back for lil folk out in Kerrville end of the summer,, dont give up on folks, winter they use this more, nice weather and their all busy like,,, lovin ya ,,,

[SafetyPin]

I'm not quite ready to let this go yet!

Jax was my friend. I want to know from an STPer which is more important, friendship or family, and I don't mean biological/genetic family.

[shameless_heifer]

Check out the new Old Hippies Forum.
sh

[Scootertarmpphoto]

Shameless Heifer, Chris Wah, Glad to see that you are still here and doing well, I've been away for awhile and just returned to the land of the "free". It saddens me about Butler. We hung together in Nederlands in the early 70s and then moved to Glendale Az [ the Twilight Zone ], along with Merna [ she was my Lady pardner at the time ], Charley Blackbeard, Blond Bobby, Coke Mike, Mamma Karen and others that are faces, but no names come to mind. Butler, Charley, Bobby [ we called him Bomber down there ] and I rode with a motorcycle club there. When I left there was the last time that I saw Butler.
I started this site trying to find out about lost brothers, the losses that I have learned about saddens me. Still no word about Charley Blackbeard. The family members that read this, I say hello, to the people that wishes that they were family, I will quote Little Brother and say; We are all family, some just don't realize it.
Safety Pin, I hope that you find a family and get a life.
Groddy Cliff the peyote man

[shameless_heifer]

Whew, glad the SP ordeal is over. That one raises the hair on my neck.

Altho I am of Good Earth, many an STPer has made their way to my door back in the daze.. Family is Family, we are as one but are madeup from many tribes.

Bright Blessings
sh

[scootertrampphoto]

SH.. I remember Cakes! The Cole St. house was where I first met Whitey. I had moved from Boulder to Jerome Az and came to SF for a week or so each trip. One or another of the GE brothers used to hitch over to Mill Valley to pick up "supplies" for us lost soles in AZ. This was in the early '70s. Can't remember what year. Charlie Blackbeard had moved there with Jenell{sp?}. They split up and Jenell hooked up with a GE brother { can't remember his name } and they used to come to Jerome to visit. The more that I read, the better the flash back become. Thanks

[luvione]

Scooter,, I am in touch w/ many family,,,,, email me privatly,, if ya want,,

Dont forget to Blow your Nose

[scootertrampphoto]

luvione, I have to PM you, Ranger, Shameless Heifer, And ChrisWah, but a message keeps telling me that I am not allowed to do this. I blew my nose and tried again, still said NO! I'm not the brightest light on the Christmas tree when it comes to using this site, so until I figure this out, I can't even read messages sent to me. Is there a guiding hand out there that will help educate me in this?

[scootertrampphoto]

I have read all 12 pages of this again. I realized that I had been ask some ? that I had not responded to. Sorry. I have been clean and sober for a little over a year now, and my memory has been coming back a little at a time. So now I will try and address answers to ?s, and ask a few that I wanted to ask. ChrisWah. I had not thought about Officer Chastian in years. The first time that I went to jail in Boulder, it was for stealing his Gold helmet. That was the old jail. The second time was when Caesar Chavas was boycoting the liquior store for the farm workers. Coke Mike, Kenny Red Port and I were caught trying to make a run on Canyon Liquiors for some Platte Valley and Red Port. As for Las Vegas NM, Fast Eddy and I left Boulder and moved out to Cuba where we lived in a hogan down by a creek for awhile. Then we ended up in Morphy Canyon at Seven Room [Ledoux]. Izzy and a bunch of other people were there at the time. A short time after that I moved to Jerome AZ, Fast Eddy and Melvin showed up at my house and we moved back to Seven Room and spent a winter there. Once a month we hiked to Mora for food stamps and supplies. Eddy had a dog named Squiky. We came back from Mora on our once a month drunk and didn't put the food away and the dog ate what it could and destroyed the rest except for some beans. Eddy cooked dog for supper that night. At the end of winter I moved back to Jerome. That was the last time that I saw Eddy. Later heard that he died in a motorcycle wreak. Was your sister Candy, along with Daisy Mae and Peppermint Paddy [I think] the same Candy that when Chastian and his buddies came up to the hilltop, would do a little dance and flip their skirts up and sing a song about skanky pussy? If so tell her that I said HI! Any body hear any thing about Little Chris or her sister T ? It just registered that you are/were fighting lymphomia. I pray that all is going well with this. Shameless Heifer, Did you know Black Lee in Days Creek? On one of my trips to Areagun I stayed with him and worked as a hodad. I knew him from Boulder. He and my sister [blood and family] Mamma Karen were best of friends. My pick and peck are getting tired now so BYE for now.

[hippiestead]

Fast Eddie is still around...heard he was parking cars at the Rainbow mudfest. There's a great pic of him on mainstream web images; we googled 'hippie' one day & there Fast Eddie was flashing a peace sign & a smile

[scootertrampphoto]

Hippiestead; Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea if the Fast Eddy you saw on the website [I couldn't find it] had one ear or two? The Fast Eddy that I have wrote about had a brother[blood] named Jerry. If I remember right, their last name is Serrintino[Spelling?] Cliff

[scootertrampphoto]

Luvione, Please Yahoo me.

[hippiestead]

not sure on the ear...trying to find a link to the pic for you

see if this one works
http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/postcards/haight-hippie.jpg

[scootertrampphoto]

Hippiestead, That picture looked more like me [ when I had hair ] than the Fast Eddie that I was talking about. He had a light brown afro. Also he lost an ear when he got to close to a bar owners Bull Mastaf. Thanks for giving me the info.

[scootertrampphoto]

To all of you out there, I wish you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas and an outrageous New Year! Thanks again for the efforts to help me in my search.

[luvione]

all right, I'm back! Thankya Skip! Scooter when ya get back say hey, start this conversation up again! Happy New Year! Lovin to all,,,,

[luvione]

That fast Eddie you are lookin for Scooter, I beleave he is passed. Once we have talked and such, I can hook ya up w/ family who can help you. Yes, caution is necassary. Happy New Year to ya.

Everything in it's time.

[luvione]

Ok, Here I am again. I tried emailing scootertrampphoto @ yahoo. Is that what ya meant? I never heard back, and it is a good addi, cuz it wasnt sent back either. I dont know if we ever have met or not. Check my info and it will tell ya how to go see me on myspace.The first time I ever heard of STP family, I was in Tucson, I even met Wabb at his leather booth when I was 16, shoppin for college,yes I went to Pima community at 16,livin on the streets too! Ron Kelley was my first alot of things! He passed a few yrs back in Boulder, grocery shopping. Well, hope to hear from ya agin soon.

[shameless_heifer]

Happy New Year Luvione, Glad to see your back.

Bright Blessings
sh

[luvione]

Thankyou sister! I am so lovin all the groovy things to happen this year! It's gonna be interesting! S.H., I love you, ya are so up front, and thanks for bein you!

[luvione]

well mr scootertramp,,, glad ya got hooked up.Someone has seen too much of this thread and is a nuisence.I would like to keep it private here from now on till we figure out what to do about this.

I love my people, I am glad to share news, I do not like someone pretending to give a fuck, who is mean and privatly attacks those they never fuckin met in their entire fuckin life.I will protect what I can, how can he still look if it's member only now?I got bit by a dog yesterday, my son-inlaw is really pissin me off,my job cut hrs again, and thats nothin compared to Val stp still fighten with her body after the liver transplant 3 yrs ago,or SH goin through her pain,,,geez , aint there enough misery without addin to it.Hows that showin the love. I dont want to keep fighting a nut nobody remembers.Is this how someone would want to be remembered? Dig it,, hey hey you you get off of my cloud! I come here to hookup and share.lovin my friends. Bless Up!
PEACE,
Kimmie Da Mouth/luvi

[luvione]

This is directed at sfaetypin, got a email at another address, and it seems like everytime I hear from him so do others.Just ventin,,,cant let em win, wont let em get me down. Much Love Ya'll*

[scootertrampphoto]

As long as Sisters like Shameless Heifer and Luvione are out there, the rest don't matter no how. Every family has there assholes, some assholes don't have family. We can only hope that the negative ones find their way out of the FOG. Much love to all of y'all for the support. You too, Safetypin

[luvione]

Thanks Scooter.Glad to help.

Light & Love

[shameless_heifer]

If safty pin is watching it's under a new handle.. he is Permabanned from the forums by Skip himself.. He is NOT family, he is a certified mental case and has attacked several members via PM, including myself, out of the blue, making lewd comments and even threatening people.

As far as me posting about my health issues, well I am a aternitive healer and it's what I do, what better way to get information out there. If SP thinks I'm after sympathy anyone that knows me, knows that is not the intent and that it is for informational purposes. To help others that may be going through the same thing. If that is bad, then shame on me.

Tramp,
We come to gather and give support to our brothers and sisters, we teach and learn, we grow and evolve. To have a venue where we can achive just a small window of communication we can hold strong in Unity. Sometimes the weeds pop up and the need for culling out the good flowers from the poisionous ones come about. It is a natural process.

Kimmie,
check the email from SP and get the ISP addy and let me know what it is please.

Love n Lite
sh

[luvione]

Hi Ya'll,
I hope Lil John figures out how to join groups, he sd he couldnt find it.Oaklahoma is in a convelesant home, he is dyin kidz. Tom Rush is doin okey doke, dead brain or not.Amazeing. On the brite side I am gonna have another grandchild, this year! My Oldest daughter is finally havin a baby! That'll be 4 granbabies for me! I love my family & friends,,, Blessings,,,

[cindy burton]

I too hung out with STP in 73-78.Greek Mary,midget jesse, arid and connie, kenny red port and jack, among others.. I have probably forgotten more than I remember. does anyone remember the camp at White thorn outside of garberville?
It would be great to find anyone who remembers those days.

[shirasong]

I'm looking for some information on my mother - Bonnie Solomon - who lived in the Haight 67-70 and stayed in SF for about 10 more years. Does her name ring a bell? Here is a picture of her in 1970 with her friend Berda Schepps.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/picture.php?albumid=346&pictureid=2087

[spaceart]

Wow, it's been a long time since I thought of those people. I lived in Boulder at the time, and had more than one encounter with them. I saw them virtually destroy a house during a party one night in 1972. They also had a favorite trick: they would send the most straight-looking couple about 30 feet ahead of the group to hitchhike. When I pulled over to pick them up, I heard what sounded like a cattle stampede. In about five seconds, my car was loaded with 13 of them. They threatened to "mess me up" if I didn't take them to their destination. I complied.
I don't remember names, but I will think back because I may remember a few. They were never friends of mine, but we tolerated their presence in "hip" Boulder.

[scootertrampphoto]

Spaceart, as we tolerated your presents. This site is about finding old friends, not rehashing old wounds. May you find peace in whatever space your in.

[luvione]

Hi Kidz,
Well I'm back from over 60 days in the NW, camping.34 or so at the gathering site, and now for the sad news. Tom Rush passed away on the 14 of aug.at 9:14 am. Asshole Dave passed 2 wks before that.Both services were very nce. Toms family back east finally took him home, he is buried next to his blood bro Billy in harrisburg Pa..Hi Cindy, as I always say, I am not stp, but am a friend of the family! Welcome,, kind of burnt out, jet lag ect.Scooter,, hey,, long time buddy. It's good to be home, my new big claim to fame is I was the last women to leave the rainbow gathering site this yr!LOL,, lovin to all,,,,,

[Morganinca]

Sucks to hear about Tom. It was good to see people at Dave's memorial even though it was a sad occasion. So many of us going down that road :(
watch yer top-knots!!

Morgan

[luvione]

Morgan!!! Good to see ya buddy! Yeah, droppin so fast, I cant keep up. I'm famelier with where they held the service for Dave, reall pretty land there. How u and yours doin? By the end of this yr, I will have 5 grandchildren!!! My son has girls and my girls have sons!!! Always love for you Morgan,,,give your lady my best.
Kimmie*

[scootertrampphoto]

Still looking for word on Charlie Blackbeard. I see more family getting on here and hope that someone knows what has happened to him.

[scootertrampphoto]

I want to thank everyone that has tried to help me in my quesr to find Charlie. I've gotten ahold of his daughter and she's hooking us up. Shameless Heifer , you and Lovione, I can't thank enough. I'm staying in Tijuana for awhile and would love to hear from any of you that have my email address. Kind of alone down here. Thanks and God bless all of you.

[scootertrampphoto]

Life is great, yesterday Crystal emailed me his phone# and we talked for hours, he is doing great. Today I get a call from Charlie, and after a few questions about some of our past, we talked until the batterys on my cell went dead. Also found that Stella is alive and well. Life has thrown me a few curve balls lately and to hear from the family sure makes each day go better. Anymore of yous guys out there? DAMN, if it got any better , I could tolerate having Safety Pin questioning if I'm real or not!!!

[shameless_heifer]

That's Great News Tramp.. I know excatly how you feel.. I know how I felt when I found my family after 30 yrs..I always wanted to find them before I died... now I'm wondering if I'm gonna die bc I found them...lolol.. whatever the case maybe, I am glad we have this venue to hookup.. have a glorious day and be blessed sh

[luvione]

Hi Kidz,
Life is good. Yep I recently heard from mr not safe t pin! At one of my address's. I just file them. He sd I am pretty enough to live with,,, NO IDEA where that came from.
Hey Tramp he mentioned ya.
Anyways,,, I am happy you & Charlie hooked up,,, WAY BEAUTIFUL!!!

I am gonna be 50 pretty soon !!! I am pretty darn excited about it.