Panic Attacks and the Linden Method?

[Moonjava]

I suffer from anxiety/ panic attacks almost daily. I have been searching the web for alternatives to going on medication. While on my quest, I found the Linden method, which is supposed to be medicine free and cure this disorder. Does anyone have any information on this subject? Thanks and peace!

[sunflowershari]

sorry to say, i do not have any information on the method that you are referring to! I suffer from the same thing and i REALLY REALLY do not want to go on medication. It is a horrible thing to deal with though. If anyone knows any natural ways to get rid of this please post! i read that black cohosh [sp?]root works so im trying that next week along with some other herbs that have been suggested.

[Fractual_]

i was wonderin the same thing... the linden method looked scammy

i've noticed anxiety/panic attacks are ALL in your head... so i don't really want to be put on meds either.

[nimh]

i have to agree, the linden thing looked scammy to me too. lol when i was reading their site it said that there werent long tapes to listen to, but when you pay your money you end up with 5 or 6 cd's or something!! bleh.

my husband gets anxiety attacks and insomnia

he says they seem to go in 6 month cycles and they're a lot worse in the summer for him

he's trying magnesium supplements at night (around 800mg) and fish oils and b50 in the morning. we've read that kava kava is supposed to help, and SAM-e and 5htp can help too, but he hasnt tried out those ones yet. kava's only supposed to be taken under the supervision of a professional bc it can be dangerous.

it helps him if i do reiki on him. and sometimes i help him breathe thru the worst ones. (i feel like a labour coach sometimes ;) ).

hubby's tried just about everything to help get to sleep when he's got the worst anxiety and nothing really helps sometimes. he only got 2 hrs of sleep last night. the last time his anxiety got really bad, he went on paxil for a few months, but then he's all zombie-like. i want to find something more natural for him.

i've noticed anxiety/panic attacks are ALL in your head... so i don't really want to be put on meds either. hm, i thought that depression and anxiety are linked. it's all about the neurotransmitters--serotonin and dopamine. ya gotta get the levels of those little guys up or get the receptor sites to work more efficiently. so ya, it's in your head, but there is a physiological cause, ykwim?

[Just4laughs]

I used to have anxiety attacks all the time too. Although now I have it down to a minimal. I noticed they seemed to have certain triggers, for example my old neighbor every time I had to work and she would keep me up all night I would get anxiety attacks so I moved. It was always the same thing for me I would get all stressed out and then I would have a panick attack. Try keeping track of what you're doing before and what you were supposed to do that day you have the anxiety attack you might be able to find something specific that is causing them. Then its a matter of figuring out what you can do to change it. This is working for me it might work for other people.

Another thing I have done is on days that I get an anxiety attack is take Calmfort which I think is natural but hard to come by. Its good for Insomnia, stress, and anxiety. I'll try to find my bottle and check to see whats in it.

[nimh]

fwiw, my hubby's anxiety is getting better. it's not gone altogether, but it's improving.

a lot of his thing is stress over the neighbours kids playing their music too loud at night and the sounds of kids playing outside until really late (sometimes 11 or 12 pm!!). he's having to get up at really weird early hours for work (anywhere from 3 am to 6 am depending on what they need to do that day). we cant move right now. we cant afford to. it really sucks. he's been trying to sleep as far away from the noise as he can and he runs a white noise machine to drown out as much of the sounds of awake people as he can. We've been asking the neighbours to keep it down, but they have 6 kids and 2 adults living there, so, it's just going to be loud no matter what they do. It's not like they're doing it on purpose to piss us off! LOL

i'm trying to get him off of caffeine. he gets more anxiety when he's had a cuppa or 2 that morning. he seems to get more anxiety at night than during the day too. it's weird. oh and sex seems to help too. :cool:

Another thing I have done is on days that I get an anxiety attack is take Calmfort which I think is natural but hard to come by. Its good for Insomnia, stress, and anxiety. I'll try to find my bottle and check to see whats in it. that would be really cool :)

[nimh]

http://www.simply-natural.biz/catalog/images/hylandscalmsforte.jpg


is the calmfort you use anything like hyland's calms forte?

i found the ingred list for this and it's a homeopathic remedy with :

Formula:
Passiflora 1X Triple Strength - for restless or wakeful sleep from exhaustion
Avena Sativa 1X Double Strength - for stress, nervousness or nervous headache
Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength - for drowsiness with incomplete sleep
Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile) - for nervous irritability
And the following biochemic phosphates for enhancing cellular function:
Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS, Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

[Just4laughs]

Its got different packaging but I think its the same.

[nimh]

how's everyone doing? hubby went on paxil this week. it's a temporary fix, he felt like he had to bc his anxiety attacks were getting really bad and he was only getting a couple of hours of sleep every night. i was afraid that he was goign to drive the car off the road on his way to work. damn, i wish that we could afford a naturopath for him. it sucks being broke. at least mainstream healthcare (if you can call it THAT! LOL) is free here. his doc's trying to get the paxil covered for him too, so at least it's going to be free.


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:VFVi62e5k3YJ:www.restoreunity.org/panic_attacks.htm+orthomolecular+anxiety&hl=en

i was looking at that link and it seemed to contain some pretty thorough info. hubby tried to get the doc to order tests to see how his neurotransmitters and amino acid levels are doing, and she wouldnt do it. she said that she was going to order them, but i had a look at the lab sheet and she just ordered albumin and complete protein levels. that's just not the same thing at all. anxiety/depression type organic brain disorders can be caused by lack of amino acid or an insufficiency in digestive enzymes resulting in insuficient absorbtion of amino acids. this is all pretty standard science, yet it's next to impossible to actually get a doc to do the proper tests. they just want to treat and street and get onto their next customer. the more people they treat, the more money they make, and if they dont get it right the first time, then they get repeat visits, and more money. it's enough to make a person scream.

eta, with that link, it's important to know what your neurotransmitter levels are before you start supplementing with extras like gaba or melantonin, etc. if that particular level is fine then you dont want to take more. that's why the lab testing and working with a competant doc (ha! if you can find one) is so important.

[Fractual_]

i wish yer hubby the best... has he ever smoked pot before, or done anything of that sort? just curious...

[nimh]

i wish yer hubby the best... has he ever smoked pot before, or done anything of that sort? just curious...
he's had these anxiety attacks since he was a little kid and says that smoking pot doesnt seem to affect the anxiety much, if anything it makes him more anxious.

[kevjin]

The Lindon Method worked for me...only coz when I started reading about it I was panicing and when I had finished I was angry. All he is after is your money! Like you said- scammy. Why can't there be free help? I wanted to write a CV the other day and spent atleast an hour on a site and at the end of it, after taking time all that time with it, it wanted me to pay for it!

[fulmah]

If I'm not mistaken, the Linden Method is basically a cognitive behavior model put out on a cd. That model does work for a lot of people, but I think that guy charges a whole lot of money for his program. You can access free programs that are going to basically take the same approach. There's a program under the "tools" section on this site:

http://www.paniccenter.net/

[Recovered]

I suffer from anxiety/ panic attacks almost daily. I have been searching the web for alternatives to going on medication. While on my quest, I found the Linden method, which is supposed to be medicine free and cure this disorder. Does anyone have any information on this subject? Thanks and peace!
I have suffered from General Anxiety Disorder for the past ten years, and I too have frquent panic attacks. I have indeed purchased the Linden Method (the online version for £58.00) I must say that I have only been following Charles Linden's guidance for a week, and already my Panic Attacks have stopped. My confidence is already building etc. I could not believe the negativity that has been expressed by other members, so decided to join this forum, and tell you my story from someone who has actually tried The Linden Method.

Yes, it may be a lot of pyschological babble etc, but it is different in that it takes you through the whole range of techniques in a sequence that eliminates the need to continuously worry about the world around us. This guy is believable because he has been there like the rest of us. He has obviously done extensive research, and put it all into a single framework for recovery. It has worked for me, and I could not recommend it enough. The guy is a genious. It may be pricey, but it is a small price to pay for something that actually works. I too have spent time in front of counsellors / taken Prozac / Valium etc. I can honestly say without hesitation that I am now free of this dreaded illness.

All Praise To This Method, Everyone should try it.

[gointocalifornia]

ive never done the Linden Method, but i am pretty certain it is elementary and a scam. if this was really THAT good, ud know about it and doctors would recommend it, and he wouldnt be selling his cds/books on PopUp internet ads.


my advice, as a recovering PD gal, is this:

1. If you can't function, go on meds. i know, it sucks, but ive found that lexapro has 100% eliminated my panic attacks...that's what it's made for. Xanax can be addictive, so thats better to stay away from.

2. Time to self reflect...especially if you have causes for your panic/anxiety. the core of your soul is screaming at you to deal!!

3. When u do panic, just ride it out....just let it flow through your body and think, "alright...im having a panic attack, that's it." if u fear panic, it just prolongs itself.

i know alot about panic disorder (and some other anxiety related disorders) and im seeing very good doctors, so if you have anything at all you want to know, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ask me, pm me, whatever, and i'll do my best to help you out!

much love
audrey

[Noremacam]

The Linden method flat out works. I've been using it for a couple of weeks, albeit not doing the excercises as often as I should. I've noticed a massive improvement. After a couple of days, I was able to stop an attack numerous times just as it was beginning to start, and now I'm getting to the point where I simply don't have them. It's much better than the EasyCalm system(which is really just a heavily watered down version of the Linden Method).

It seemed scammy to me, but because of the massive amount of school I was missing as the result of extreme panic attacks, I was desperate and blew my money. I'm thankful it wasn't in vain. The method has also shown me that not only are drugs not helpful(at best the relief is temporary), but actually detrimental to curing panic attacks. They don't break the psychological process that starts a panic attack. They just coat the symptoms(and for me, they didn't even do that).

The only thing that sucks about it, is that it's not a quick fix. You have to work on it, and you have to do what it says. It's no magic pill that fixes everything instantly.

To the girl who said it was a chemical imbalance, that's not exactly accurate in my opinion. Your mental state is causing the imbalance, not vice versa; at least, that appears to be my experience.

[richie123]

hi Noremacam,
I am considering buying the Linden Method but i'm really wary about this sort of thing. I've tried many treatments for my anxiety disorder and nothing has, as yet, worked. I suffer from a fear of vomitting in public and, as a result, rarely eat before or whilst I am out and about. If I have eaten and find myself out and about, i regularly have panic attacks in fear that I may be sick. Do you think the Linden Method would be appropriate for me? I find 'face your fear' methods mostly unsuccessful. Any help from you or anyone here would be much appreciated!

[Noremacam]

hi Noremacam,
I am considering buying the Linden Method but i'm really wary about this sort of thing. I've tried many treatments for my anxiety disorder and nothing has, as yet, worked. I suffer from a fear of vomitting in public and, as a result, rarely eat before or whilst I am out and about. If I have eaten and find myself out and about, i regularly have panic attacks in fear that I may be sick. Do you think the Linden Method would be appropriate for me? I find 'face your fear' methods mostly unsuccessful. Any help from you or anyone here would be much appreciated!Only buy it if you're serious about following it. It's not a quick fix solution. It works, but you have to follow it faithfully. Your anxiety is like mine was. My biggest fear was getting sick in public. As you've probably noticed, getting sick happens extremely rarely, if not never. It's not worth fearing about. If you feel sick to your stomach, who cares if you "get sick"? It's not the end of the world.

As you know, your mind MAKES the symptoms you experience. The linden method teaches you to retrain your mind not to think of the things that give you panic attacks. It's extremely difficult at first because your brain has been programmed to think of your anxiety automatically when you do certain things.

It's not about "facing" your fear, it's about replacing it. You're breaking a mental habit. I know first hand, that facing your fear doesn't work. You try to put yourself in situations where you experience attacks in hopes that you'd eventually cope, and instead it just adds to the stress. It just makes you fear attacks more the next time.

The linden method works, but it's no quick fix. You're not going to magically start feeling better, but if you do it, you WILL feel better.

As for other advice, here's some things that can help your stomach. These things don't "trigger" it, but they tend to make things much worse. Stay away from caffeine. If you're addicted to it, get off of it slowly. I find now, even though I have no anxiety any more, that caffeine still makes me feel uncomfortable to my stomach. Also, stay away from greasy and fried foods. Your stomach and intestines have to work extra hard to process those foods, and can be very uncomfortable.

If you need more advice, you can post back. I'm subscribed to this thread, so I keep an eye on it. Elsewise, I can give you my email.

Hope this helps.

[richie123]

thanks very much for replying so quickly. that helps me A LOT! just to hear someone else talking about the same things as me helps a great deal. Maybe i sounded a bit impatient in my post; I am in no way expecting to get over my anxiety over night. it hit home so much reading what you've put about how deliberately putting yourself in situations where you feel tense just doesnt help at all. that is pretty much what i've been told to do by various councellors and psychiatrists. I think the Linden method may be for me then. How does it differ from all the other therapies out there? Could you maybe give me some kind of outline of what it involves? I know i should probably just buy it and work through it, but as it is so much money I want to be sure its for me. Again, thanks so much for your help!


my email is: robmw@hotmail.com if you prefer to email.

[Noremacam]

thanks very much for replying so quickly. that helps me A LOT! just to hear someone else talking about the same things as me helps a great deal. Maybe i sounded a bit impatient in my post; I am in no way expecting to get over my anxiety over night. it hit home so much reading what you've put about how deliberately putting yourself in situations where you feel tense just doesnt help at all. that is pretty much what i've been told to do by various councellors and psychiatrists. I think the Linden method may be for me then. How does it differ from all the other therapies out there? Could you maybe give me some kind of outline of what it involves? I know i should probably just buy it and work through it, but as it is so much money I want to be sure its for me. Again, thanks so much for your help!


my email is: robmw@hotmail.com if you prefer to email.

I haven't gone to really any councellors or seen any other methods, to be truthful. My experience has been trying medication, after medication, with little results, or serious complications, such as drug addiction. I got a prescription for the drug Ativan, which was a take "only when needed" sort of medication. I became psychologically, and physically dependant on that drug. I couldn't function without taking it every day. Coming off of it made me feel like I was having a "never-ending"(albiet somewhat milder) anxiety attack. Based on that experience alone, I would strongly recommend staying away from drugs, particularly ativan.

To explain how the method works, I'd have to start by explaining how panic attacks work. Are you familiar with pavlov's dog?(pardon my spelling). He did an experiment with a dog in which every time he rang the bell, he gave the dog a bowl of food. This would cause the dog to salivate. Well, after a few times, the dog associated the bell with food, and he was able to get the dog to salivate, just by ringing the bell, even if no food was present.

Panic attacks work the same way. Perhaps because of a bad previous experience, you've associated being full, and being out(equivalent to the bell) to worrying about having a panic attack(perhaps a previous experience from which you got sick?). Your brain has been "trained" to respond to being out by having anxiety(phobias work the same way). You feel the anxiety, and then you dwell on it, which in turn makes the anxiety worse, so you dwell on it some more, and it has basically a snowball effect.

This had a horrible effect on my relationship with my girlfriend. She believed that she was causing my anxiety attacks(despite my attempt to assure her that that was not the case). Well surely enough, I worried that I'd have attacks around her, which unfortunately gave me anxiety attacks when I was around her! She ended up breaking up with me because I couldn't do anything, but after I was cured of my anxiety, I went through an hour and a half of traffic, bought roses and came to her work with roses in hand - and no anxiety. This required a number of steps that I wouldn't have even dreamed of while I had anxiety. I got the girl back.

The linden method works by stopping the cycle before it starts. It takes a conscious effort to replace those thoughts, until it becomes natural(basically replacing the bad habit with a new habit). The linden method also comes with a number of hypnosis cd's which are fantastic for listening to once an attack is started and you need to "escape" the attack. The linden method comes with a 200+ page manual containing everything you need to know in regards to anxiety. Really, the first half of the book is all you need to read. It contains the 9 "pillars" which are just pages of things that you must do, if you want to be cured. Things like, stop talking to everybody about your anxiety(which causes you to dwell on it). Stop making constant doctor visits(this reinforces the fear that there is something wrong with you); things like that. The rest of the manual contains everything you'd ever need to know about anxiety. Things like, diet issues, great detail on the drugs used to treat anxiety(mostly information on their side effects), his personal testimony(as well as his wife's testimony), information intended for close family/friends/loved ones for how to help someone who has anxiety.

I wish I could be more descriptive, but I left the manual and cd's at my dorm. I could tell you more later. It's been a while since I've went through it.

I've debated mentioning this, but I figured I should tell you anyways. There's also a slight risk that your anxiety could be triggered by a real problem with your system. I debated mentioning this, because dwelling on the possibility that something is wrong tends to make things worse.

I've had anxiety problems for years, so I don't want you to think what I'm about to tell you fixed my problem. I eventually "got over" my panic disorder on my own at one point when I was about 17, and oddly enough, I see I did a lot of the things that the linden method teaches you to do. I broke the mental habit on my own, but it was after roughly 5 years - the majority of my teenage life. Often times, I would get over it, but I'd relapse.

The biggest relapse I had was when I had trouble with my gall bladder. I had what is called "gall bladder sludge". This caused a constant stomach ache all of the time, but particularly an hour after I ate, and after bowel movements. Because my stomach ached, I dwelt on it, and I had attacks. It took months before I was sure that it wasn't my anxiety, because after being "doped up" on ativan, my symptoms persisted, despite being incredibly relaxed.

I had my gall bladder removed(after testing for both stones and sludge), and my anxiety became massively easier to manage(albeit still needing to break my anxiety habit, as well as my dependence on ativan). Unfortunately, despite the source of my stomach problems being gone, I still had the fear of panic attacks, and I still needed to conquer them. The linden method helped me get my anxiety under my thumb.

If you have any doubts that something else may be going on(things like symptoms that anxiety can't reproduce, such as pain, or bloating), it might be worth it to check in with a doctor. Often a minor stomach problem can feel greatly intensified by anxiety. Some of the things they can check for are things like gastritis, gall bladder sludge, or acid reflux.

I simply felt I needed to mention that, seeing as that is my own personal experience. You may have no problems at all, and it may just be anxiety, but I just wanted to make you aware of the possibility, because my gall bladder was a great complication to me getting over my anxiety.

I haven't tried any types of treatments other than drug treatments for my anxiety. I've had no other therapies to compare it to. I've tried two systems: the EasyCalm system, and the Linden method.

I was not very impressed with the EasyCalm system. It's basically a watered down version of the Linden method. It's not very detailed, it's very short, and it does not come with any manual or any reading material whatsoever. The easycalm system probably works for people who have minor anxiety problems, but it didn't work for me.

I tried a number of drugs before looking online for help.

I tried buspar, which made me mildly lightheaded, and once scared the hell out of me by giving me an incredibly rapid heart rate. My anxiety was mildly better, but after a while it stopped working completely, even after increasing the dose.

I tried wellbutrin XL. This made me extremely lighthead, but with lots of dizzy spells. This had no effect on my anxiety.

I tried Cymbalta. This drug made me almost completely sexually disfunctional. This drug also made me drowsy. My anxiety was better for a time, but eventually stopped working for me as well. After all the sexual side effects, I was notincreasing the dose.

I also began taking ativan regularly. It was meant for emergencies, but for me, every day was an emergency. Ativan worked too well. It killed my anxiety attacks instantly, but I became psychologically dependant on it. I couldn't make it through a day without taking it. And after a while, your body adjusts to it, and you have to take a larger dose to get the same effect. That combined with withdrawal symptoms(one of which was vomiting, which scared me) - not a good situation.

Sorry for the long response. What started as a short reply got really long. I really hate drugs for anxiety, which is why I praise the linden method. It just works for me, and I don't have to put up with paying for perscriptions, and living with all the side effects. Not to mention, the eternity it seems to take trying out different drugs, and waiting for them to work, and when they don't, you have to make new appointments and try again. I got quite sick of it.

I hope this information helps.

[fulmah]

How does it differ from all the other therapies out there? Could you maybe give me some kind of outline of what it involves? I know i should probably just buy it and work through it, but as it is so much money I want to be sure its for me.
That is the enigma with the linden method. How, exactly, does it work? Their homepage says absolutely nothing about the methods used, although Noremecam's description of technique is almost a synopsis of cognitive behavior therapy, which, by the way, has been analyzed ad nauseum through countless clinical studies, and has been shown to be 75-95% effective at significantly reducing anxiety disorders.

Further, any site that has an ad stating "Feel secure AND get laid all the time!!" in flashing letters on their testimonial page is operating a scam. Don't waste your money. There are other options out there offering helpful advice, for free, like this:

http://www.cognitivetherapy.com/socPhobPrint.html

It may not be exactly custom tailored to you (social phobia is not generalized anxiety, after all), but the concept and principle, I'm willing to bet, is the same. My only disclaimer would be that that article doesn't include the relaxation techniques, such as breathing, that are generally a part of the therapy.

[Brkonthru2daothersid]

I did a report in college when I began to suffer from anxiety attacks, whether it came bc I was so stressed out and overwhelmed by college I am not sure of....but anyhow I always thought of anxiety as the fight or flight response. I'll have to get a hold of my report and look at it more intensely but either you fight the anxiety and you get over it or you run away from it. I found that yoga worked great for me. It came down to relaxing my mind and stretching my body. I was suffering from numerous pains here and there from it. The yoga helped to ease the pain. I still find myself gettin ancie while waiting in long lines however LOL I cant seem to get over it so I use my cell phone while I'm waiting line and make a quick call to one of my friends. I forget about waiting in line. Anyone have any ideas on why I would be ancie on waiting? I have developed this thing where I just hate waiting, most of the time at least. Peace

[Moonjava]

ive never done the Linden Method, but i am pretty certain it is elementary and a scam. if this was really THAT good, ud know about it and doctors would recommend it, and he wouldnt be selling his cds/books on PopUp internet ads.


my advice, as a recovering PD gal, is this:

1. If you can't function, go on meds. i know, it sucks, but ive found that lexapro has 100% eliminated my panic attacks...that's what it's made for. Xanax can be addictive, so thats better to stay away from.

2. Time to self reflect...especially if you have causes for your panic/anxiety. the core of your soul is screaming at you to deal!!

3. When u do panic, just ride it out....just let it flow through your body and think, "alright...im having a panic attack, that's it." if u fear panic, it just prolongs itself.

i know alot about panic disorder (and some other anxiety related disorders) and im seeing very good doctors, so if you have anything at all you want to know, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ask me, pm me, whatever, and i'll do my best to help you out!

much love
audrey
wow, it's been so long i forgot about this thread. I didn't try the Linden Metnod, but my panic attacks have been gone for over a year. I think gointocalifornia's advice is good.... especially #3. I just stopped being so afraid of the attacks... and when I would get one I would just tell myself, "it's just a panic attack. you're not going to die." And I eventually got to the point where the fear was so mild I'd just think, "A panic attack, BRING IT ON!! It's nothing I can't handle." So now I'm panic-free and I believe it was 100% God who healed me.

[prefy]

Hi friends

I found that yoga worked great for me. It came down to relaxing my mind and stretching my body. I was suffering from numerous pains here and there from it. The yoga helped to ease the pain. and my friend told me about abilify drug, it is more better drug in this case, for more information see- http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s33745-s-abilify.aspx (http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s33745-s-abilify.aspx) I still find myself getting ancient while waiting in long lines however I cant seem to get over it so I use my cell phone while I'm waiting line and make a quick call to one of my friends. I found it better drug, it has less side effects.

[Jaeger]

I am looking for information on the Linden Method. Specifically, does it really work. I have been suffering from anxiety attacks on and off for a couple years. Lately it has been much worse. I need to atleast attempt to get control of this. I am willing to spend the money on the system if someone would tell me it worked for them. Also how long can one expect to wait to notice some relief?? A quick reply would be appreciated.

[Aeva]

I have not tried the Linden Method, but I am hoping to. First of all, my therapist is $150.00 PER SESSION (and this doesn’t come with a 100% money back guarantee if she doesn’t perform as she predicts!). Secondly, see my ‘First of all…’



If the Linden Method looks scammy and smells scammy then it probably IS scammy. But that doesn’t mean Charles Linden didn’t hit on a cure – after all the limbic system really is the root system for human fight or flight responses. Just because Charles Linden found a cure method that works for most people doesn’t mean he can’t cash in [no pun] on Capitalism – right? Since when in America is making money ‘Scammy’? Seems to me if one of us found the ticket to some major cure, we would be doing the same thing!



Right? Or maybe you’re into giving stuff away for free. If so, let me know. I need a new DVD player as well as a new bedroom set. A couch, too. I Always welcome people giving away stuff for absolutely free. And you see freebies for quality items so often…



For those critics, cynics and recliner-chair beef cakes who just think it’s all a scam…take a bite of something before you tell everybody how crappy it is! So far everyone who has tried the Linden Method has praised it!

[lozza]

I suffer from anxiety/ panic attacks almost daily. I have been searching the web for alternatives to going on medication. While on my quest, I found the Linden method, which is supposed to be medicine free and cure this disorder. Does anyone have any information on this subject? Thanks and peace!
Hello I,m Lozza I too suffer what you have and have been going through it for ten years have tried loads of anti depressants only to find that they do not treat the attacks but only seem to make them worst, i have finally found what works, if you'd like to know get back to me.

[lozza]

Hello I,m Lozza I too suffer what you have and have been going through it for ten years have tried loads of anti depressants only to find that they do not treat the attacks but only seem to make them worst, i have finally found what works, if you'd like to know get back to me.

[lozza]

Hello all,

I have suffered from panic attacks/anxiety/deep depression I have tried many things to allieviate the smytoms, I have never taken an antidepressant for long enough to see if they work, I,ve always been weary about them, however i think if need be, use them. I have been using Kava Kava since August 17th 2007 I was desparate for some relief from my panick attacks/anxiety also was finding it very hard to relax, kava did the trick but you have to get enough if it in your system for it to work, the standard amount is 30% kavalactones (75mg) kava root 250mg, I ordered this from a company called Biovea, there been talk of this product causing damage to your liver, but its all bollocks, the antidepressant companys do not like this product because it has 0 side effects and really does work. If allowed to be given to us by a doctor it would be first choice which would cause a serious lost of revenue for the FDA, the few cases that were documented that allegedgly caused liver problems, could only be attribbuted too were alcholics who had abused there liver to such a point that anything could have triggered failure in that department, its like saying don't leave your home because you could get knocked over.

Try Kava you will see what I mean, I know the distress this vicious malady (Panick attacks) causes which is why I would advise anyone who has these symtoms to try the above remedy.



Best of luck to everyone
Lozza

[lozza]

Hello all,

I have suffered from panic attacks/anxiety/deep depression I have tried many things to allieviate the smytoms, I have never taken an antidepressant for long enough to see if they work, I,ve always been weary about them, however i think if need be, use them. I have been using Kava Kava since August 17th 2007 I was desparate for some relief from my panick attacks/anxiety also was finding it very hard to relax, kava did the trick but you have to get enough if it in your system for it to work, the standard amount is 30% kavalactones (75mg) kava root 250mg, I ordered this from a company called Biovea, there been talk of this product causing damage to your liver, but its all bollocks, the antidepressant companys do not like this product because it has 0 side effects and really does work. If allowed to be given to us by a doctor it would be first choice which would cause a serious lost of revenue for the FDA, the few cases that were documented that allegedgly caused liver problems, could only be attribbuted too were alcholics who had abused there liver to such a point that anything could have triggered failure in that department, its like saying don't leave your home because you could get knocked over.

Try Kava you will see what I mean, I know the distress this vicious malady (Panick attacks) causes which is why I would advise anyone who has these symtoms to try the above remedy.



Best of luck to everyone
Lozza

[snowgal]

I have used the program and I have found that there is nothing there that you cannot find on the web. Alot of what I read I had heard before from my past panic coach. I do want to say that it is really difficult to get support and your right when you say all they want is your money as it is a very expensive book to have around to collect dust on your shelf. I tried getting help and when I finally found the email address to do so I was told I was expired but could pay more money for help if I wanted it. As the saying goes, if it sounds to good to be truc it probably is.... Just my opinion of the program. I am happy to hear that it was worth it for some as it was not for me..

[Catzilla]

I was suffereing from panic attacks including one that was severe enough to warrant a trip to the emergency room. I did some research after the last one and found a simple, almost free method of controlling them. Take a large, wide rubber band and wrap it around your wrist. Give the band a good, hard snap when you start to feel an attack coming on. This diverts the brain's attention to the sound as well as the momentary pain and is often enough to stop an attack in it's path.
Let me know if it works for you!
Cat